"And when they see the American government caught up in arguments about interrogations, or whether foreign terrorists have constitutional rights, they don't stand back in awe of our legal system and wonder whether they had misjudged us all along. Instead the terrorists see just what they were hoping for — our unity gone, our resolve shaken, our leaders distracted. In short, they see weakness and opportunity."
Cheney responds to Obama. Read the full text.
May 21, 2009
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Not that I have anything to add to what Bruce said. I think he pretty well sums it up.
While I understand that Cheney's speech is read as a response to President Obama's (and noted as so by Professor A) just for the heck of it, I thought I'd point out that Cheney was SCHEDULED to give his speech BEFORE President Obama even announced HE was going to give a speech. (Which he did, after making every one wait 28 minutes for him... Rabbit trail-- ever see that video montage of Senator Obama coming into Senate hearings apologizing about being late? Bizarre. He is either a control freak, or Important People do not have to be on time, or he is someone with a time disorder. Take your pick.)
President Obama cleverly planned to pre-empt Cheney's AEI speech, which was announced well in advance, by giving a speech of his own about his anti-terror policies at the same time. Even more cleverly, Cheney decided to wait until the president was done to begin his remarks.
Per many people, and even Timothy Noah at Slate.
http://www.slate.com/id/2218837/
[Cheney] has provided facts.
Cheney provided three facts, one of which is apparently wrong. A whole panopy of successful results -- things we learned, terrorists we stopped, lives we saved, he is regrettably unable to tell us. He blames Obama for "hiding" all those fabulous things.
Well, why didn't he tell us all those things four months ago? You know, when he was VP, and he was tight with this guy named Bush? Who was stopping him then?
Did he not know Obama was going to change things, and criticize him, at least by implication?
As far as I'm concerned he's waived his right to toot his horn now -- he had plenty of opportunities.
Bruce, I was bringing out the self-serving part. "Don't blame me for X is as self-serving as they get.
Cheney provided three facts, one of which is apparently wrong. A whole panopy of successful results -- things we learned, terrorists we stopped, lives we saved, he is regrettably unable to tell us. He blames Obama for "hiding" all those fabulous things.
Well then, why won't Obama release the documents and clear this all up? I mean, we know the documents exist, and Cheney filed a FOIA requesst. They were Bush-era documents anyway, so it's not like they reflect badly on Obama, right? Unless (and I know this will be hard for you to consider, so please remain seated) Cheney is the one who's telling the truth and Obama is the one who's lying.
calling all twerps and twerpettes...
this is all about getting back to breaking the law. cheney is covering his butt and trying to win that 19% over to be steadfast followers....it will also be 2 votes on a jury....
never lose sight of the FACT that at the time, all this stuff that Cheney cites as crucial to the survival of the Republic is now just a dodge for him to keep from spending his remaining days in the slammer. If you look at it in this context you can understand his motivation....otherwise he is just a barnacle on the body republic and frankly I think a slow and lingering tortuous death is far to good for this....words fail me to describe my contempt for him.
I'm watching Romeo and Juliet on PBS as part of the NEA funding of Live at Lincoln Center. It is very hard to juxtapose the barren lawlessness and inhumanity that is Cheney with the art that holds humans together.
HD -- You are so absurd that it is laughable. Who is going to prosecute Cheney? Under what law?
Please provide specifics. Otherwise, stop with your masturbatory juvenile fantasies.
MadisonMan said...
I think that every time Cheney opens his mouth, people are reminded of Bush's Presidency. I don't think that's a good thing for the Republican Party at this point.Cheney's speech was vital and necessary because Bush II is unwilling or not competently able to defend his Administration's legacy on National Security. That left Cheney to step up and defend his people as Obama and his people sought to cast the past 8 years as a legacy of torture, evil, criminal law-breaking, "insane wars" and "Muslim persecution" and "shredding of the Sacred Parchment".
What Cheney delivered was a speech that will shape the legacy by adding a powerful view that stands against the Obamite's, ACLU, and Moveon.org's slime campaign.
It was factual, vs. Obama's "broad brush "Feelings" moment. Where Cheney went into his judgement and opinion, he stated they were derived from facts, facts that will be well known to Americans in coming years.
IMO, Cheney's speech was absolutely essential to the Republican Party in staking out their judgment, their policies on national security. It also lays down a marker to some now very nervous Red STate Democrats in particular - plus the Obama Democrats and their hardcore grassroots Leftists and activist Jewish progressive and Gentile post-communist lawyers.
"Persist on your course, and you may gravely hurt the security of Americans. And this speech is a marker being laid down. As a warning now, and as an "I told you so" if something happens."
Lasting impression "Recklessness (about American's safety) posing as Righteousness".
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FLS - Well, why didn't he tell us all those things four months ago? You know, when he was VP, and he was tight with this guy named Bush? Who was stopping him then?.
Because that was before Obama revealed full details of the techniques and limits of the enhanced interrogation program, then joined his AG in hinting at possible criminal prosecution of Bush officials.
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Nice speech, if you enjoy being bullshitted. Catch the whole list here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/3237981
AFP – Former US Vice President Dick Cheney speaks at the American Enterprise Institute on US national security …
By Jonathan S. Landay and Warren P. Strobel, McClatchy Newspapers Jonathan S. Landay And Warren P. Strobel, Mcclatchy Newspapers – Thu May 21, 7:10 pm ET
WASHINGTON — Former Vice President Dick Cheney's defense Thursday of the Bush administration's policies for interrogating suspected terrorists contained omissions, exaggerations and misstatements.
Well then, FLS, it must be a bunch of lies if the guys at McClatchy say so. Sadly, they won't be around much longer to police Cheney, given their impending liquidation.
Sad, isn't it, that such noble saints of truth must rely on mere profit to sustain themselves.
never lose sight of the FACT that at the time, all this stuff that Cheney cites as crucial to the survival of the Republic is now just a dodge for him to keep from spending his remaining days in the slammer.
Oh? Which law? Please be specific.
I think a slow and lingering tortuous death is far to good for this....words fail me to describe my contempt for him..
My goodness hdhouse. I had no idea you were a supporter of capital punishment. Frankly I am shocked that an admitted liberal like yourself would favor such a conservative position.
I mean you admitted you don't pay your fair share of taxes but this is really something.
Seven Machos said...
"By the way, HD, what is it about Cheney's substantive comments that you disagree with?"
I'm not trying to be a smarty here...but frankly if I see a substantive comment I'll let you know.
@hd, you are stretching even my considerable patience. Go here for a Brit's view of Cheney's speech as compared and contrasted wtih Obama's.
There was ample substance, if you had wit enough to see.
"hdhouse said...
I'm not trying to be a smarty here..."
That would be a stretch by any measurable test for being a smarty.
"but frankly if I see a substantive comment I'll let you know."
That requires that you actually have a deft enough intellectual acumen to even be able to see a substantive comment must less understand one when it's made. You either have it or you don't. You just don't have what it take.
Has anyone noticed that the Obama-Cheney debate on national security was orders more edifying than any of the staged presidential campaign "debates" in memory? The absense of "production values" and the absense of media interlocutors probably accounts for some of this...the speakers probably account for the remainder.
Cheney's doing a great job, and so is his daughter Liz. She's shredding her MSM interviewers.
Waterboarding isn't getting more recruits for Al Qaeda. They get more recruits when they have successful attacks against America, Americans, American military bases and ships, etc.
H/T Bush-Cheney-CIA-our military-etc.
Well done.
Waiting with dread until The Big O learns the hard way that nice talk accomplishes jack shit. It just sends the signal that we're ready for our dhimmitude now! Come on in fellas!
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