October 15, 2008

Live-blogging the final debate.

7:46 Central Time: I can't believe this is the last of the '08 live-blogging, but it is. Settle in. Let's savor these precious moments together.

8:03: McCain begins with a tribute to Nancy Reagan's pelvis. Second: Americans are angry, angry I tell you.

8:05: The first question, on the financial crisis, gives them both a chance to give a speech that they could have prepared in advance. With a chance at a follow-up, McCain plugs in prepared material about Joe the plumber who is worried about taxes. He should have listened to Obama's answer and responded very precisely to that. Generally, Obama seems much more fluid and complex, and McCain is wooden and overprepared, unwilling to react on the spot. When he's not speaking, McCain sits with his hands folded on the table. Obama speaks again, then McCain hits him with the "spread the wealth around" comment that Obama made to Joe the plumber. He's coming alive a bit now [McCain]. But I don't know how many more times he can say "Joe the plumber." If we'd put "Joe the plumber" on the drinking game list, we'd be sprawling under the table already.

8:17: McCain is going to wield a hatchet and then a scalpel. He's after the pork. Especially that demonic overhead projector. Did you have "overhead projector" on your drinking list? Now, Obama is talking about "earmarks," an unfortunate term that make us notice how huge his ears look tonight.

8:22: McCain asks Obama to say when he's ever stood up to his party. And Obama has (what sounds like) some good examples: tort reform, charter schools....

8:31: McCain challenges Obama about John Lewis's charge that the McCain campaign has been racist. Obama ignores it for a while, then finally gets around to it. But what did he say? He didn't repudiate Lewis, which is what McCain demanded. McCain comes back at him, with a bit of a tirade about what fine Americans there are in the McCain/Palin crowds. On the split screen, Obama has that look that I saw him aim at Hillary Clinton months ago. I think McCain is getting to him. He got Obama to tip his head up and look down his nose at McCain. Now, McCain needles him about Ayers and ACORN. McCain is on the attack, and Obama is stuck in the defensive role.

8:43: Palin is a freath of bresh air.

8:47: Nuclear pants... uh... nuclear plants.

8:51: McCain mugs when it's not his turn. He lit up when Obama said he believes in free trade. He's all over Obama about free trade. Obama doesn't understand free trade... and he's never been south of the border. Obama comes back, seemingly unriled. But I'm distracted by the McCain side of the screen. McCain sparkles with the knowledge of his superiority on free trade... or so it seems.

8:56: My son Jac is live-blogging too, and he just wrote: "McCain is back to the 'he doesn't understand' line against Obama, this time about Colombia trade policy. Obama: 'Actually, I understand it pretty well ...' Oh, but how can that be? He's never traveled south of the border!" McCain is trying to get under Obama's skin, but Obama is standing his ground. He understands what McCain is up to.

8:59: McCain thinks you're fat.

8:59: Joe the plumber is back.

9:06: Something about health care. Who won? I don't know.

9:07: The Supreme Court. McCain notes his record of voting for judicial nominees based on their qualifications. This is a good point, because Obama has voted against highly qualified Supreme Court nominees, while McCain voted for Justice Ginsburg. They're both against "litmus tests" (of course).

9:13: McCain presses Obama on the Born Alive Infant Protection Act and partial birth abotion, very sensitive subjects. Obama wants to communicate to young people that sex is sacred and we don't want any "cavalier" activity.

9:19: Education. Gah. Am I paying attention? Are you paying attention? Education is important!

8:28: The closing statements at last. McCain sounds over-rehearsed and he stumbles over many things. He says "abased" for "based." I think he knows he hasn't done enough tonight. He hasn't rattled Obama, not enough anyway. Obama is doing his final statement now. It's not particularly interesting, but it's filling the space, and we're probably not listening, because we know, he's survived the final ordeal. He will be our President, I think, and I think they both know that. They shake hands, and we hear McCain vigorously congratulating the younger man -- our future President, in all likelihood -- "Good job! Good job!"

9:34: No more debates! Can it be? We've reached the end. Thanks to both men, John McCain and Barack Obama, for fighting so long and so hard and for stepping up to the awesome task of governing this great, unwieldy, beloved country of ours.

787 comments:

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CarmelaMotto said...

But you DID Obama.

No, the nurses just asked to be able to hold the baby while it died and you said NO.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

I see, Palladian, no "Hello" for me...

kimsch said...

Born Alive Infant Act - Yay John!

Palladian said...

"Ugh! Blogger is getting on my nerves."

Forget it. Ann is wedded to mediocrity. In her choice of blogging software and her (probable) choice of Presidential candidate.

knox said...

"Louie Ledbetter" ??

Vic, I thought you were making that up.

vbspurs said...

Sexuality is sacred?

kimsch said...

palladian, are you getting the multiple adds notices too?

Palladian said...

"I see, Palladian, no "Hello" for me..."

Um, I'm lying in bed next to you, why do I need to say hello online?

vbspurs said...

Joe the Plumber, Palladian, looks like "Phil Mitchell" on Eastenders.

If you have never watched, here he is.

Peter Hoh said...

Kimsch, I think you are wrong about Ledbetter.

Michael S said...

Did Obama just endorse 'abstinence'? In the educational sense?

Patm said...

FOrty years of sex ed in increasinly YOUNG age groups has done nothing to help reduce teen pregnancies

Lorelei Leigh said...

I definitely like McCain better than Obama on the abortion question.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

vbspurs said...
Sexuality is sacred?

9:14 PM


He's working hard for the bi polly kinky pagan vote because he doesn't know he has it...

Palladian said...

"palladian, are you getting the multiple adds notices too?"

Well I was quoting Ernestcito but yes I get that stupid error all the time. It's ridiculous.

vbspurs said...

The last question ALREADY?!

DD said...

This is making me sick. Obama just blathers on and on for however long he wants. Now Scheiffer just stopped McCain after he spoke for about 10 secs.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

palladian said...
"I see, Palladian, no "Hello" for me..."

Um, I'm lying in bed next to you, why do I need to say hello online?

9:15 PM


Sssshhh...I thought we were keeping this a secret. I don't want ZPS and DTL to be jealous!

LonewackoDotCom said...

Regarding education, here's something that neither of them will discuss: immigration's role in developing an uneducated underclass. For a clear example, see California.

vbspurs said...

He's working hard for the bi polly kinky pagan vote because he doesn't know he has it...

I'm kinky, but that's about it.

CarmelaMotto said...

oooooooooohhhh education....

Early childhood education is a ruse!

Freeman Hunt said...

I can't believe Obama just got away with the lie that he voted against BAIPA because there was already a law.

Michael S said...

John, ask Obama about how the CAC millions helped...

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

This has been a very badly moderated debate. I hope it is recorded as such.

I'm Full of Soup said...

Did McCain mention Pelosi, Dodd and Frank yet?

Christy said...

For you Palladian,
Joe the Plumber

vbspurs said...

I don't want ZPS and DTL to be jealous!

Coño caballero! I leave for a week, and Ernie has turned pajarito!

NTTAWWT.

Freeman Hunt said...

Give us universal vouchers and the education quality problem is over.

JAL said...

Meet Joe the Plumber

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.1465/pub_detail.asp

Terrific responses.

vbspurs said...

Did McCain mention Pelosi, Dodd and Frank yet?

Not yet...

Palladian said...

"Sssshhh...I thought we were keeping this a secret. I don't want ZPS and DTL to be jealous!"

Eww! Not DTL! I'm not into rubber Boy Scout uniforms.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

vbspurs said...
[...]

I'm kinky, but that's about it.

9:17 PM


*RAWR*

Patm said...

I'm listening on radio. Can anyone tell me how the CNNfolk reacted to the abortion stuff?

al said...

An army of teachers? More money?

He doesn't have a clue.

Patm said...

Vouchers! YES!

vbspurs said...

Now Scheiffer just stopped McCain after he spoke for about 10 secs.

Don't worry, SNL will riff on that tomorrow night...but they'll make it look funny, therefore taking the sting out of its inherent unfairness.

Lorelei Leigh said...

Victoria, that's what happens when the candidates are allowed to yammer on endlessly in these things.

I guess they should start making the debates three hours long. Or else let the moderator carry a firearm and aim it at the candidates when they ramble on.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

palladian said...
[...]

Eww! Not DTL! I'm not into rubber Boy Scout uniforms.

9:18 PM



Ew...I just puked in my mouth a little...thanks...You are washing the sheets this time!

Simon said...

I hate both their answers on education. I'd eliminate all federal regulation on education across the board either move to a block grant to states for education or a direct federal school voucher / tax refund system.

Patm said...

I totally support vouchers. People in DC and CHicago have horrid schools and should have a choice.

al said...

Obama just looked real bored - almost stoned when the camera shot came over McCain's shoulder.

Palladian said...

"Don't worry, SNL will riff on that tomorrow night"

Um, it's Wednesday, Victoria.

kimsch said...

Ledbetter sued under the anti-discrimination clause of Title VII when she should have sued under the Equal Pay Act.

The Equal Pay Act specifically addresses pay disparity and has a longer statute of limitations.
overlawyered

I was a bit off, but not much.

Patm said...

"Find bad teachers a new line of work"
YES

Simon said...

They both gave bad answers on abortion, by the way. McCain's answer was totally incoherent and obviously false; Obama's was more eloquent but wholly mendacious.

vbspurs said...

This debate has flown by.

I think this was a very meaty debate, and people should have enough to go on based on the specifics discussed here.

However, for those wanting flash and crash, Sturm und Drang, it promised more than it gave.

knox said...

"An army of new teachers"

Yeah, what we need is MORE sucky teachers.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

Federal government to help local school districts?? What the hell do we want states for?? I want my state income tax abolished then!!

vbspurs said...

Shorter Simon:

Both guys lied.

vbspurs said...

Federal government to help local school districts??

Catastrophic. I wondered if I had heard right.

knox said...

"There's one last ingredient I want to mention: and that's the input of radical former domestic terrorists"

Peter Hoh said...

I was an active parent (and later board member) at a charter school. The most amazing K-1 teacher we had -- he was just there for a couple weeks as a sub -- was a veteran. I really wanted to hire him.

knox said...

"Choice and competition amongst schools"

ding-ding-ding!

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

vbspurs said...
Federal government to help local school districts??

Catastrophic. I wondered if I had heard right.

9:22 PM


The teachers' unions must be ecstatic...

al said...

The nice thing about being Barack Obama - he has no record that you can pick apart. 143 days in the Senate doesn't count for much.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

Senator McCain, there is no R in Washington! Thanks!

Palladian said...

An army of teachers?

Alvy Singer: "I remember the staff at our public school. You know, we had a saying, uh, that those who can't do teach, and those who can't teach, teach gym. And, uh, those who couldn't do anything, I think, were assigned to our school."

Freeman Hunt said...

"There's one last ingredient I want to mention: and that's the input of radical former domestic terrorists"

Ha.

al said...

School choice - like Obama's kids going to a 20K a year private school...

DD said...

lorlei- the point is not that Scheiffer cut McCain off but that he never cuts off Obama. I hope someone timed how long each candidate got to speak.

kimsch said...

Obama's a Federalist under his definition which is that the Federal Government should be in charge of EVERYTHING!

vbspurs said...

I have to say that this was not a negative debate. I can't imagine that Democrats can call McCain "erratic" or a curmudgeonly old guy.

He spoke on point, and interwove his narrative well.

Obama didn't do as well with that, as I expected. I honestly thought he would wipe the floor with McCain tonight.

mrs whatsit said...

It's hard to explain about the c-word. It is far and away the most hateful word I know. It seems to express not just hatred for the individual woman at whom it's directed, but also hatred -- aggressive hatred, just as Victoria said -- toward all women. It's almost a physical attack.

Why seemingly equivalent words for men like cock or prick don't have the same vicious connotations, I don't know. But they don't.

vbspurs said...

Sarah Palin knows about autism better than most.

Note to America: Her nephew is autistic. This wasn't a Trig reference.

CarmelaMotto said...

Exactly! by 4th grade you can't tell the difference between who went to head start and who didn't

I'm Full of Soup said...

Where are the liberal commenters tonight?

knox said...

Early childhood education... let's get the existing grades working first, shall we?

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

vbspurs said...
Sarah Palin knows about autism better than most.

Note to America: Her nephew is autistic. This wasn't a Trig reference.

9:25 PM


The Kos kids don't know that.

Lorelei Leigh said...

dd - I wasn't really talking about the candidates being cut off. It's just a trend I've noticed in all the debates that both of them seem to want to talk and talk and talk and not adhere to the rules on time limits that they agreed to ahead of time.

I haven't really noticed what you're talking about this evening, but I haven't been paying all that close of attention to the time. I would be interested to see if someone kept track of it as well and could post the results somewhere.

Palladian said...

I love the word "cunt". Such a perfectly Middle English word. Probably Germanic in origin.

Patm said...

God, is this almost over?

vbspurs said...

It is far and away the most hateful word I know.

See? Almost all the women think the same way.

It's hard to explain it.

Probably the equivalent is to slur a man's masculinity.

veni vidi vici said...

McCain's last zinger was excellent.

al said...

VB - you seem to know a lot about Sarah... Fine line between fan and stalker. :-)

Pastafarian said...

That was a slaughter. How any serious person can vote for Obama, I do not know.

Patm said...

"vouchers work but there aren't enough of them so we shouldn't do it."

SOundbite of the night.

Michael S said...

John needs better coin-toss luck.

veni vidi vici said...

Obama is going to educate 2000 sluts. That's what it sounded like he just said, anyway.

Palladian said...

"Where are the liberal commenters tonight?"

Working on their house altars to the coming Presidentessiah.

vbspurs said...

The Kos kids don't know that.

That's not news to anyone who has read their commentary section... ;)

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

palladian said...
I love the word "cunt". Such a perfectly Middle English word. Probably Germanic in origin.

9:26 PM


I think Bryson places it as a Norman one, surprisingly.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

vbspurs said...
The Kos kids don't know that.

That's not news to anyone who has read their commentary section... ;)

9:28 PM


I tried that one. I couldn't see for three days...

Sniggy said...

I really like McCain tonight. My husband, who pretty much tuned out after the first two questions, was a bit incredulous. I said, "Remember how grouchy I was during the first two debates? Well right now I'm chipper."

I just might donate some money to the RNC, the way I did after Palin's debate.

Obama is really smooth, though, even when he's obviously lying. At least we now know one thing that's rubbed off from his association with Joe Biden.

JAL said...

I will have to check, but I believe the tuition at the Lab school is closer to $40,000. On second thought, maybe that was a reference to the 2 kids fgoing ofor $20,000 each...?

Wonder if they got a discount of any kind? You know, like those Countrywide mortgages some Dems snagged accidentally.

vbspurs said...

John needs better coin-toss luck.

Sarah is the one who got hosed. Ifill let Biden get the first and last word.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

Even at the end, he keeps running against Bush...ugh...

vbspurs said...

*cracks out the apple fritters to the Althouse commentariat*

Fresh baked from mama's (Starbucks) kitchen.

al said...

Obama is still trying to say that McCain = bush.

And Barack - you are not welcome in my home.

Joe M. said...

When did the word "tough" become fashionable? It's irritating.

Freeman Hunt said...

I must be the lone woman who isn't infuriated by the c-word. It would just make me think that the person saying it was ill-mannered and lame.

Anonymous said...

I hate the word catheter.

vbspurs said...

Obama: Bush Bush Bush.

McCain: Joe the Plumber. Great Guy.

Chip Ahoy said...

aj lynch said:
Where are the liberal commenters tonight?

They're over at Huffington Post picking up their talking points because they're unable to think for themselves. They'll be here shortly to show us what they found. Of course they've vanished from my browser so I'll gather what they chirp from your responses.

Joe M. said...

Did Obama seriously just equate voting for him with being a good person?

Proud of my country, anyone?

CarmelaMotto said...

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

I don't want him in my house.

Anonymous said...

Another reason why I have a blog crush on Freeman Hunt.

al said...

jal - I think they go for free as a benefit of Michelle's employer.

vbspurs said...

It would just make me think that the person saying it was ill-mannered and lame.

It's rather a funny word, too. I was in a forum where it was the catchword. ;)

Anonymous said...

Phils 5, Dodgers 1, end of the 6th

I'm Full of Soup said...

Yes I have heard that too Obama. There is a serious shortage of school vouchers, oysters and elephant balls!

[Did that dumb ass Obama really say there are not enough vouchers?]

vbspurs said...

"Good Job! Good Job!" (gets goofy with Schieffer).

Palladian said...

The OED says thus: ME cunte, count(e), corresponding to ON kunta (Norw., Sw. dial kunta, Da. dial. kunte), OFris., MLG, MDu kunte—Gmc. *kunton wk. fem.; ulterior relations uncertain.

Jen Bradford said...

McCain's post-debate jazz hands are hilarious.

vbspurs said...

Brit Hume says that Joe the Plumber received 15 mentions by McCain and 5 by Obama!!

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

joe m. said...
Did Obama seriously just equate voting for him with being a good person?

Proud of my country, anyone?

9:30 PM



Yes, and many people in desperate need of redemption will take it at face value.

Derf said...

vbspurs -- You might not understand how liberals can say Mac wobbled and was erratic, but they will! It was in Obama's talking points released this afternoon, so it must be true!

vbspurs said...

McCain's post-debate jazz hands are hilarious.

LOL! Best comment so far.

Lorelei Leigh said...

I wouldn't say the word "cunt" infuriates me. I just think usually it connotes a level of hate that few words do.

It doesn't have to though, and if someone called me a cunt personally, I wouldn't be offended as I'm somewhat hard to offend.

Freeman Hunt said...

Another reason why I have a blog crush on Freeman Hunt.

Because you hate the word catheter?

I kid, I kid.

knox said...

My lil ol' MacBook battery is dying.

Great effort y'all. And great effort McCain, finally showing some vigour! You just convinced me to vote for you.

Anonymous said...

Remember all the talk we had about paid politicos who would infiltrate threads?

Who is this Sniggy who has decided that this debate was a changing event?

Just wondering...

JAL said...

2008-09 Tuition & Fees Quarterly Tuition U of Chicago Laboratory Schools
Nursery School (Half Day) $11,442
Nursery/Kindergarten (Full Day) $16,674 $5,558
Grades 1 - 4 $18,492
Grades 5 - 8 $20,286
Grades 9 - 12 $21,480

Must have been a reference to both girls' tuition I heard ($40,000+)

vbspurs said...

You might not understand how liberals can say Mac wobbled and was erratic, but they will! It was in Obama's talking points released this afternoon, so it must be true!

Oh that was hilarious. That campaign staffer has some 'splainin' to do.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

palladian said...
The OED says thus: ME cunte, count(e), corresponding to ON kunta (Norw., Sw. dial kunta, Da. dial. kunte), OFris., MLG, MDu kunte—Gmc. *kunton wk. fem.; ulterior relations uncertain.

9:32 PM


Well, you are correct, my erudite!

Chip Ahoy said...

Done. Yay! Commenters, your many astute observations, quips, and various responses have cheered me greatly this evening. Better than the actual debate, in fact.

Thank you, Althouse, for providing this space and for the important public service of live blogging this debate.

Derf said...

Thanks all.. following along with you was much more fun than actually watching!

Michael S said...

On PBS Shields is commenting on Obama's 'coolness' -- as in how can he can't see if he get 'moved' by an issue.

Anonymous said...

I foresee Titus ditching the dogs and getting some rare plumbers.

Palladian said...

First known reference in English is said to be c.1230 Oxford or London street name Gropecuntlane, presumably a haunt of prostitutes. Avoided in public speech since 15c.; considered obscene since 17c.

vbspurs said...

Knox, ciao! It was great to see you again. :)

I will take a small break. I'm sad that a lot of the regulars were AWOL tonight -- so 518 comments thus far is much better than can be imagined.

Be back in a sec!

Lorelei Leigh said...

McCain's post-debate jazz hands are hilarious.

Comment of the night.

Freeman Hunt said...

Fun, fun. Loved following the debate here with you all. Time to put a toddler to bed...

I'm Full of Soup said...

In the spirit of the Palin T-shirt, Chip meant to thank Althouse for the pubic service.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

Goodnight, knox!

JAL said...

Liberal commenters will be here momentarily. (They are usually absent during the actual debate.)

Getting their Astroturf (r) talking points.

Paul said...

Ann, I don't think McCain "realizes" at all that Obama will be the next president. The election is three weeks away. It is sheer folly to assume that.

Patm said...

CNN:wash

CarmelaMotto said...

On fox they are all saying Obama won....

vbspurs said...

Nina Easton said that Obama was graceful, and if this were a tennis match, McCain was all over the court -- whereas Obama was cooly lobbing the shots back.

That's not the sense I got. He had a few missed shots due to snickering on the follow through.

George M. Spencer said...

God bless you, Joe the Plumber.

Simon said...

kimsch said...
"Ledbetter brought a racial discrimination case, not a gender discrimination case"

Wrong way around. It was a pay discrimination on basis of gender suit under Title VII and the EPA, but the EPA claim dropped out on appeal.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

carmelamotto said...
On fox they are all saying Obama won....

9:37 PM


They don't want to be the next Radio Caracas TV

vbspurs said...

Luntz in Miami!! No one was an Obama supporter, but a few lifted their hands after the debate.

kimsch said...

Simon, I did fix that in a later comment. thank you.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

vbspurs said...
Luntz in Miami!! No one was an Obama supporter, but a few lifted their hands after the debate.

9:39 PM


You lost me there, dear...

Pastafarian said...

I'd been in the comments section for the whole debate, and I just read Ann's post.

It appears as though she watched a different debate than the rest of us. She seems to think that Obama did well, and McCain not so much.

I'm afraid that here Obamamania is clouding her judgment.

Anonymous said...

Sheena Easton said that her baby takes the morning train and later, invited us to tour her sugar walls.

Speaking of sugar walls, how does that rate comparatively?

vbspurs said...

Ernie, that the independent focus group didn't come in as Obama supporters, but a few raised their hands saying that they thought had he done better. ;)

Simon said...

Palladian said...
"'Don't worry, SNL will riff on that tomorrow night' Um, it's Wednesday, Victoria."

I thought they were doing a whole thursday night thing now as well - the weekend update thing.

I know, it's silly because weekend update since Fey left has been a joke, but whatever.

Chennaul said...

The CNN punditocracy is angry , mad and erratic.

They can't come up with enough criticisms.

Therefore:

McCain won!

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

vbspurs said...
Ernie, that the independent focus group didn't come in as Obama supporters, but a few raised their hands saying that they thought had he done better. ;)

9:43 PM


Ah, gotcha, "independents"

Simon said...

kimsch, no worries - I just know that case pretty well because I ended up writing about it quite a bit.

vbspurs said...

Weird. 4 voters of the 20 or so in the focus group switched their votes to Obama, and Luntz (which curiously rhymes with the plural of the c-word) said it was a good night for Obama.

When it's everyone switching their votes, let us know. Otherwise, it's just a baby step.

Christy said...

ABC in their fact check actually said that in fact Obama didn't start his political life in Ayers living room. They know this because Obama said it wasn't so. Real quality work there ABC.

Wade said...

Hmm, Obama sounds smooth, might be good enough for him. BUT, you never know, the polls might do a switcheroo as they did in the primaries. I am voting for McCain, and we will see. I am still mystified how these polls vary so widely from day to day...

MzGigs said...

OMG! Trig Palin has downs NOT autism! Didn't any one catch that?

vbspurs said...

I thought they were doing a whole thursday night thing now as well - the weekend update thing.

Oh, I didn't catch Palladian's remark, Simon, so thanks. Yes, they are doing Thursday Election specials now. :)

I know, it's silly because weekend update since Fey left has been a joke, but whatever.

I think Katherine Wiig (sp?) will take over from Fey if McCain-Palin win. She has said repeatedly she's done on SNL whatever happens.

Madawaskan, heh. Yes, McCain won. But will it be enough?

My mother, who is my bellweather for the common man voice, said that any more negative, and it would've been irritating. McCain did what he had to do.

kimsch said...

Simon, I just knew it wasn't as portrayed by Obama and the Dems.

They always forget the Equal Pay Act when the say "a woman makes 77¢ for every dollar a man makes"...

Obama pays all his female staffers less than his male staffers...

and of course the 77¢/dollar ratio doesn't take anything else into consideration.

Chennaul said...

McCain looked and sounded sad about the attack by Lewis equating McCain with George Wallace, but Gergen got his talking points from the DNC as did the other pundits at CNN so the word is-

"erratic"


Amazing how the DNC campaign and the liberal media have that same exact buzzword.

CarmelaMotto said...

VBSPURS - listening to Fox right now, I have to laugh. In the Sunday Times Magazine to be published this weekend he says that if it weren't for all of the negative portrayal of him on Fox, he would be up 30 points.

Not the fox I am watching (which I watch for Brit Hume who always has a BALANCED panel - unlike the other shows).

vbspurs said...

OMG! Trig Palin has downs NOT autism! Didn't any one catch that?

Hey there. :)

Scroll up. I clarified this to people unaware -- Palin's sister Heather's son has autism. There are 3 autistic boys in her extended family.

So McCain was right.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

christy said...
ABC in their fact check actually said that in fact Obama didn't start his political life in Ayers living room. They know this because Obama said it wasn't so. Real quality work there ABC.

9:44 PM



"Look at this objetc. It's a camera. All you heard before about Bill Ayers is a lie, Obama did not start his political career in the guy's living room. All you knew before is not true. Please look at this object"

JAL said...

Perhaps this will be the election that makes the term "fact check" obsolete.

It sure seems no one who writes to inform and / or educate the general public seem to know what it is or how to do it.

RIP

Chennaul said...

Pawlenty!

Go baby go!

Simon said...

Vicki, the problem with that is that Wiig just isn't very good. IMHO.

CarmelaMotto said...

mzgigs her nephew has autism

vbspurs said...

Not the fox I am watching (which I watch for Brit Hume who always has a BALANCED panel - unlike the other shows).

Carmela, as you know, if it's not fawning coverage of Obama, it's NEGATIVE and biased.

But don't worry. Fox News is the most watched cable channel for all the debates. The people speak with their eyeballs.

Ouch.

Synova said...

"They're both against "litmus tests" (of course)."

Not really.

Obama said the words but he prefaced it with a weasel word. I forget which one.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

mzgigs said...
OMG! Trig Palin has downs NOT autism! Didn't any one catch that?

9:47 PM


See above. You are a Kossack, aren't you?

vbspurs said...

Vicki, the problem with that is that Wiig just isn't very good. IMHO.

She has a great accent repertoire, though. She does Eastern Europeans excellently. :)

Anonymous said...

Joe the Plumber = More Cowbell.

Did Bob Schieffer offer to fluff Obama's pillow? He cut of McCain far more that he cut off Obama.

Frank Luntz = Local Dunce. He has yet to realize that he can't ever become a millionaire by working at minimum wage. Love the Sears suits, though. They are the adult version of Garanimals.

Simon said...

I mean, I think that if McCain wins, please God, Fey will stay on in the role as needed. Fey is a highly partisan liberal Democrat; that works for her, but the point is that in spite of that, she's very talented and very intelligent. She understands that her impression of Palin is a very effective weapon against Palin, and she understands the need for such a weapon. So I think she'll stay because she will want to help rip the administration down.

vbspurs said...

Krauthammer says it was a dead draw, which means Obama won resoundingly.

I haven't been agreeing with him for a while about the debates. But I do respect his instincts.

CarmelaMotto said...

Krauthammer is even saying, it was a draw, therefore Obama one.

kimsch said...

Did anyone notice Oby's shiny ears, kinda like Rudolph's shiny nose?

And they added special air conditioning above the candidates.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

Please enter this in the records again: I HATE David Brooks.

vbspurs said...

So I think she'll stay because she will want to help rip the administration down.

Simon, in pure greedy terms, Palin is a godsend to SNL, media, and popular culture in general.

Obama is off-limits because criticising him will be deemed racist. Biden is as boring as an owl in heat.

Palin is all these nitwits have to break even in the coming 4 years.

kimsch said...

Michael, nice siberian for your gravatar. I have a silver/black with blue eyes.

vbspurs said...

Did anyone notice Oby's shiny ears, kinda like Rudolph's shiny nose?

Yes.

I think Ann's blog jumped the shark after the earpiece allusion, so let's hope there's not a repeat tonight.

Anonymous said...

Michael, nice siberian for your gravatar. I have a silver/black with blue eyes.

That's me. I drink too much Red Bull. On the plus side, I get away with a lot of leg humps.

vbspurs said...

Charles Krauthammer puts anyone on MSNBC to shame in defending Obama.

This is why people watch Fox News. It's not something you expect from such a partisan crowd.

Jen Bradford said...

Krauthammer is telling me how "reassuring" and "calm" Obama seemed. Everyone keeps saying this, and it was not my experience at all. That annoying smiling, that barely contained rage was "reassuring"?

Darcy said...

Thanks for the entertaining comments! Well done, Althouse gang.

vbspurs said...

Ciao Darcy! I'm also going to bow out for a few minutes.

See you guys!! Almost 600, for the third debate -- not bad. This blog's commentariat is the best. :)

Lorelei Leigh said...

Where was David Brooks? Did I miss him?

Hillary's on CNN.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

jen bradford said...
Krauthammer is telling me how "reassuring" and "calm" Obama seemed. Everyone keeps saying this, and it was not my experience at all. That annoying smiling, that barely contained rage was "reassuring"?

9:56 PM


"Please look attentively at this object"

Smilin' Jack said...

Yeah, too little too late for McCain--Obama will be the next prez.

Re "cunt": without that word the novels of Irvine Welsh would not be possible, and that fact alone redeems it.

Anonymous said...

In keeping with our new collective economic misery I have consumed only Two Buck Chuck, purchased fresh from my local Trader Joe's.

The wine was equal to the event.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

lorelei leigh said...
Where was David Brooks? Did I miss him?

Hillary's on CNN.

9:58 PM


On PBS, I'm cheap, I don't have cable.

Lorelei Leigh said...

Speaking of Hillary, it was interesting that McCain actually mentioned her during the debate.

Synova said...

I was really disappointed that Obama couldn't come up with discussion of education that included what he'd learned administering those Annenberg funds.

What?

Couldn't he say what work or not? What they tried and what got results?

This is supposedly part of what qualifies him for president.

(As well as working with community organizers... though now he's hardly breathed the same air in the same room with them anymore.)

Lorelei Leigh said...

Ah, PBS. I should have known. It never even occurs to me to watch PBS.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

Goodnight, Darcy, Victoria.

kimsch said...

Michael, here's my Nikita. He's 5.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

Oh, yeah, ironically, tomorrow at 8:30 am is my swearing ceremony. I become OFFICIALLY a United States citizen. Too late for voting registration in Missouri though...

Jen Bradford said...

The two conservatives I count on to be straight on this stuff, Krauthammer and Brooks, are both favoring Obama in a way that feels weirdly abrupt. I don't know if it's mostly the Palin pick, but they both threw up their hands about McCain a couple of weeks ago. I'm sort of disappointed.

Lorelei Leigh said...

Oh, yeah, ironically, tomorrow at 8:30 am is my swearing ceremony. I become OFFICIALLY a United States citizen. Too late for voting registration in Missouri though...

Congrats, that's very exciting. Sorry you can't vote this time around.

Anonymous said...

I was really disappointed that Obama couldn't come up with discussion of education that included what he'd learned administering those Annenberg funds.

What Barry learned was to send his kids to a private school; one free of Annenberg/Ayers influence.

kimsch said...

Blogger ElcubanitoKC said...

Oh, yeah, ironically, tomorrow at 8:30 am is my swearing ceremony. I become OFFICIALLY a United States citizen. Too late for voting registration in Missouri though...


YAY! Congratulations! Too bad it's too late to register.

Simon said...

ElcubanitoKC, I do have cable, but I still watch PBS for anything newsy like this. I do prefer when they have a conservative to debate Mark Shields rather than David Brooks, but it's usually good stuff. And Shields makes me want to punch a wall but I'd buy him a beer any day. :)

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

And, yes, I was right on The One (PBUH) not voting on the Peru Free Trade agreement. All of the candidates skipped that vote.

Synova said...

Wow, Elcubanito! How exciting!

Welcome. Welcome. Welcome.

Darcy said...

Good night, Victoria,EKC. And congratulations to you, EKC! :)

Anonymous said...

Kimsch - Great looking pooch! Aren't they wonderful? Mine lives for winter play time.

Lorelei Leigh said...

Hillary was just on CNN talking about how the Democrats are going to need every Senator they can get to stay in the Senate in order to help Obama get a filibuster-proof majority.

So I guess President Obama won't be putting any Senators in his cabinet?

Jen Bradford said...

Congratulations elcubanitokc!

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

kimsch, lorelei, thank you!

Simon I actually like Shields, he doesn't hide what he feels.

CarmelaMotto said...

Well, Jen Bradford, one thing Krauthammer is right on, McCain would throw some excellent punches, but wouldn't follow through. For example, I was glad that he bought the born alive act up, but didn't follow up.

Sucks because soon, Obama will be "growing the economy" with more of my money.

And Joe the plumber won't be able to hire me.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

Synova, Darcy, Jen, thank you!

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