October 15, 2008

Live-blogging the final debate.

7:46 Central Time: I can't believe this is the last of the '08 live-blogging, but it is. Settle in. Let's savor these precious moments together.

8:03: McCain begins with a tribute to Nancy Reagan's pelvis. Second: Americans are angry, angry I tell you.

8:05: The first question, on the financial crisis, gives them both a chance to give a speech that they could have prepared in advance. With a chance at a follow-up, McCain plugs in prepared material about Joe the plumber who is worried about taxes. He should have listened to Obama's answer and responded very precisely to that. Generally, Obama seems much more fluid and complex, and McCain is wooden and overprepared, unwilling to react on the spot. When he's not speaking, McCain sits with his hands folded on the table. Obama speaks again, then McCain hits him with the "spread the wealth around" comment that Obama made to Joe the plumber. He's coming alive a bit now [McCain]. But I don't know how many more times he can say "Joe the plumber." If we'd put "Joe the plumber" on the drinking game list, we'd be sprawling under the table already.

8:17: McCain is going to wield a hatchet and then a scalpel. He's after the pork. Especially that demonic overhead projector. Did you have "overhead projector" on your drinking list? Now, Obama is talking about "earmarks," an unfortunate term that make us notice how huge his ears look tonight.

8:22: McCain asks Obama to say when he's ever stood up to his party. And Obama has (what sounds like) some good examples: tort reform, charter schools....

8:31: McCain challenges Obama about John Lewis's charge that the McCain campaign has been racist. Obama ignores it for a while, then finally gets around to it. But what did he say? He didn't repudiate Lewis, which is what McCain demanded. McCain comes back at him, with a bit of a tirade about what fine Americans there are in the McCain/Palin crowds. On the split screen, Obama has that look that I saw him aim at Hillary Clinton months ago. I think McCain is getting to him. He got Obama to tip his head up and look down his nose at McCain. Now, McCain needles him about Ayers and ACORN. McCain is on the attack, and Obama is stuck in the defensive role.

8:43: Palin is a freath of bresh air.

8:47: Nuclear pants... uh... nuclear plants.

8:51: McCain mugs when it's not his turn. He lit up when Obama said he believes in free trade. He's all over Obama about free trade. Obama doesn't understand free trade... and he's never been south of the border. Obama comes back, seemingly unriled. But I'm distracted by the McCain side of the screen. McCain sparkles with the knowledge of his superiority on free trade... or so it seems.

8:56: My son Jac is live-blogging too, and he just wrote: "McCain is back to the 'he doesn't understand' line against Obama, this time about Colombia trade policy. Obama: 'Actually, I understand it pretty well ...' Oh, but how can that be? He's never traveled south of the border!" McCain is trying to get under Obama's skin, but Obama is standing his ground. He understands what McCain is up to.

8:59: McCain thinks you're fat.

8:59: Joe the plumber is back.

9:06: Something about health care. Who won? I don't know.

9:07: The Supreme Court. McCain notes his record of voting for judicial nominees based on their qualifications. This is a good point, because Obama has voted against highly qualified Supreme Court nominees, while McCain voted for Justice Ginsburg. They're both against "litmus tests" (of course).

9:13: McCain presses Obama on the Born Alive Infant Protection Act and partial birth abotion, very sensitive subjects. Obama wants to communicate to young people that sex is sacred and we don't want any "cavalier" activity.

9:19: Education. Gah. Am I paying attention? Are you paying attention? Education is important!

8:28: The closing statements at last. McCain sounds over-rehearsed and he stumbles over many things. He says "abased" for "based." I think he knows he hasn't done enough tonight. He hasn't rattled Obama, not enough anyway. Obama is doing his final statement now. It's not particularly interesting, but it's filling the space, and we're probably not listening, because we know, he's survived the final ordeal. He will be our President, I think, and I think they both know that. They shake hands, and we hear McCain vigorously congratulating the younger man -- our future President, in all likelihood -- "Good job! Good job!"

9:34: No more debates! Can it be? We've reached the end. Thanks to both men, John McCain and Barack Obama, for fighting so long and so hard and for stepping up to the awesome task of governing this great, unwieldy, beloved country of ours.

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vbspurs said...

Worse that having your girl call you a p*ssy and a festering c*cksore? I was particularly amazed at that last one.

Heh. I think that's an inside joke that I haven't heard yet, so I won't comment more. ;)

However, the c-word is intrinsically misogynistic. As a woman, you can feel the cold breathing of hate come out in every letter. It's hateful.

Peter Hoh said...

That breast of fresh air. Or that pair of fresh breasts.

al said...

drill sgt - he said that right after I hit publish.

OTOH - there are several sources that put Obama at Ayers house for coffee when he started his political life.

MadisonMan said...

Things I did rather than watch the debate:

(1) Gave the dog a nice long walk.
(2) Made chicken stock. Roasters were 88 cents/pound at Copps this week, so I cooked two on Sunday, and tonight I made stock so all the bones can go out for trash pickup tomorrow.
(3) Made oatmeal chocolate chip cookies.

Early bedtime tonight! I'm guessing I didn't miss much. For example, did either candidate say how they'd pay for their grandiose schemes?

200?

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

the drill sgt said...
[...]


Obama directly denied that this happened just now

8:41 PM


He's trying to do this

Lorelei Leigh said...

I just think Obama's coming across much better than he is. I mean, McCain may be scoring points, but I think that those points mostly aren't going to help him very much.

Then again, I don't really think there's much he can do at this point, so maybe no matter what, I'd be disappointed.

kimsch said...

Bresh of Freth air...

knox said...

Obama must not be doing well, because when he talks, I zone out, he's so boring.

sojerofgod said...

I appreciate the tips gals.
I think that McCain feels this is his last chance to make a case to people that he is a human being and not just punchy the robot, which is how he has come across in the previous two outings.
He is not doing bad in my mind.

vbspurs said...

Obama has been DYING to talk of Palin. This is completely a gift from Schieffer to Obama.

The smile McCain gave when speaking of the First Dude was terrific.

Simon said...

Tonight I heard an apalling smear about Senator Obama. On tonight's debate, Barack Obama intimated that Senator Obama shares Joe Biden's values. That is an apalling smear against Senator Obama, and Obama should immediately withdraw his claim. I have said some pretty tough things about Senator Obama, but I have never gone so far as to compare him to Joe Biden. That is beyond the pale. That is out of bounds and Barack Obama should be ashamed of his brutal attack on himself.

(Of course, this will produce the peculiar spectacle of Obama first standing by himself and then throwing himself under the bus when the wind shifts, but that ought to be good for a giggle.)

The Drill SGT said...

let's hope he asks McCain if Biden is qualified to be Pres, he can pivot... LOL

Peter Hoh said...

Oh, Schieffer is going to push on the Q question

Michael S said...

Ahh, the return of the scapel...

Eva said...

Huh, looks like there is a new Eva in town.... who likes McCain a bit more than I do.

Let's both start posting and make people think I (we) have some kind of personality-disorder!

vbspurs said...

Cockamanie. That's a very 50s word. I think the 2000s word is 'toe-up'.

The Drill SGT said...

give him the Biden thinks McCain is best

sojerofgod said...

Come on McCain, you ought to mention that in Obama's world there ARE no special needs children... he would want the defectives aborted.

vbspurs said...

"Why do we always have to spend more"

THANK YOU.

Patm said...

Obama needs to stop grinning like a jackass. It gives the impression that he's laughing at his opponant. That doesn't play well.

vbspurs said...

Schieffer interrupts McCain a lot...

CarmelaMotto said...

He said cockamamie.

And he's right - it was a cockamamie idea and this may be the first time I heard a candidate say this.

Lorelei Leigh said...

Good for you, Madison Man. I'm just a political junkie who can't help herself, but I can think of tons of better things I could be doing right now.

sonicfrog said...

Did anyone see, when Obama said "tit" in "tit for tat", the mens meter thing on CNN stiffened right up!

knox said...

Nice words about Sarah.

Obama, don't you dare say she's not qualified.

vbspurs said...

Cockamamie Eisenhower.

Peter Hoh said...

Wait, I heard Schieffer specifically ask McCain if Biden was qualified. Did he fail to follow up and ask Obama if he felt that Palin was qualified?

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

I hate that smirk...

vbspurs said...

Oh dear, now McCain is talking about clean coal. He's back to the old McCain.

Anonymous said...

How does everyone feel about hair pie? Does that offend?

kimsch said...

Schieffer asks about climate "control" McCain corrects him climate "change".

Hubby says climate control is what we have in the car.

Peter Hoh said...

Yes, if we don't use the oil from Venezuela, no one will.

LonewackoDotCom said...

BHO lied about his involvement with ACORN, which is much more extensive - and recent - than he indicated. Now he's off on a distraction about who his advisors are.

Note also his reaction to McCain's attack: he could barely speak for a few seconds. If a regular citizen - not an MSM hack - really pressed him on something who knows what he'd say?

Chip Ahoy said...

Ten years. What a nice round number.

Anonymous said...

Phils 3 Dodgers 0, Top of 5th

CarmelaMotto said...

no he asked both Peter

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

Climate control, yeah, Schieffer is a trekkie apparently.

Jen Bradford said...

Now Obama is talking to the camera. Oh my, didn't Chris Matthews say only idiots did that?

vbspurs said...

Obama tilting his head. He needs a hug.

Michael S said...

If we don't use the oil from Venezuela, then Hugo won't be able to implement Ayers' indoctrination curricula...

vbspurs said...

Who's winning the series so far, Phillies or Dodgers?

Pastafarian said...

Obama's going to design cars. Is there anything that this guy can't do?

Patm said...

Same damn questions, debate after debate.

Chip Ahoy said...

How about gaping gash? Royal Gorge? That awful wound that just won't heal?

Methadras said...

Mr. Barely is still using the canard that he was 10 when Ayers committed his treasonous acts, but is willing to work with such a vile, evil, and nefarious individual while invoking the name of Reagan and yet ignores these acts as a method of 'renounciation'. I'm sure I could denounce Osama Bin Ladens actions, but if we ended up on the same board to manage a program, would I sit next to him and work with him. NO!!! So Mr. Barely can compartmentalize the terrorist acts that killed people because as a matter of convenience and because Chicago politics dictates it.

This is why Mr. Barely is a malignant fraud. He is willing to verbalize away the evil acts of a terrorist and be able to justify at the same time that he can shake his hand and work with him as an equal. It's disgusting and repugnant and this is frankly why this fool is a danger to me and my country.

section9 said...

I gurandamteeya that the Frank Luntz Focus Group o' Marching Morons will give the debate to Obama because he was the Nicer Guy and that McCain was mean.

The Drill SGT said...

notice obama refused to endorse Nukes

CarmelaMotto said...

Jen Bradford - only idiots who are named Sarah Palin so therefore Obama is exempt.

vbspurs said...

Jen, don't worry. The tingle is still spreading up Chris Matthews' leg.

Michael S said...

I thought Clinton was the NAFTA champion...

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

Hmmm, South Korea?

bleeper said...

I am not watching this - did Obama spray paint his bald spot?

vbspurs said...

Anyone else notice how neither man sent Cheney good wishes for surviving his latest aortic episode?

Chip Ahoy said...

They switched color ties.

kimsch said...

Your priority since you got to the senate has been running for president. You haven't been doing your job senator obama.

Michael S said...

'Eloquence,' how eloquent!

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

I think that Free Trade Agreement was signed on June 30th, 2007. The One (PBUH) probably missed the vote...

vbspurs said...

This is why Mr. Barely is a malignant fraud.

A cancer on his party? ;)

OOH! Obama never travelled south of our border?

Patm said...

Eloquence...very good, Mac.

CarmelaMotto said...

Way to piss all the nations we trade with Obama.

Peter Hoh said...

McCain's lipstick is getting distracting.

Anonymous said...

Phillies are up 3-1 in the series. They win tonight, they go to the World Series.

Peter Hoh said...

What's it look like on HD?

Patm said...

Free trade - hard hit by McCain, and Obama is smug.

knox said...

This whole fantasy that Obama's going to create wholly new sources of energy in ten years is absurd on its smirking face.

Donn said...

(3) Made oatmeal chocolate chip cookies.

Yum! Handouts for everyone?

vbspurs said...

LOL. Obama says he understands the situation very well, despite never having gone to Colombia.

He can see Peru from his house.

Methadras said...

HA!!! Obama believes in free trade? How is that possible when his plan for wealth redistribution via 'spreading the wealth around' will get in the way of that? Not to mention his support for eliminating a secret ballot for Union workers that will basically shatter the union system. I'm for eliminating the union system, but not like this and not in this way. Not to mention that there are unions that are in vital strategic-economic sectors that if de-unionized would destabilize entire industries. The machinists union is the most obvious. If you destabilize that union then this economy will really take a dump.

Chris Althouse Cohen said...

McCain's attacking Obama for not going to Mexico? Has Sarah Palin ever been to Mexico?

Frieda said...

why does Obama keeps laughing on serious issues??? is he bored?

his misplaced laugh is annoying!

CarmelaMotto said...

Chris Althouse - YES SHE HAS! She said so in one of her interviews when she was grilled about how many times she has been out of the country.

Freeman Hunt said...

South Korea makes better cars than we do. I own a car from South Korea. Great car. Best large purchase I've ever made.

I'm Full of Soup said...

Phils are up 4-0.

F the debate. Did McCain really being up the C t-shirt thing?

The watchers will say how come my newspaper TV station did not tell me about that? F the MSM too.

I feel like Gladiator - I want to decapitate someone from MSNBC.

Go Phils.

Methadras said...

OH NOES!!!!1 The bad, mean, old white man is picking on the poor little blessed black boy. Oh what shall we do?!? WHAT SHALL WE DO?!?!?!?! Leave Mr. Barely ALONE!!!

vbspurs said...

I like this debate, but it's making me nervous. It has an odd feel to it -- peripatetic, and edgy.

Needs more Joe the Plumber.

al said...

The HD pic is nice. I just wish it was Sarah rather than John. Much nicer to look at.

Peter Hoh said...

IIRC, Palin has vacationed in Mexico.

vbspurs said...

Has Sarah Palin ever been to Mexico?

Yes. :)

Canada and Mexico both.

Michael S said...

Palin's not a candidate for President or sitting US Senator. She likely had less need to go to Mexico. Her Natioanl Guard troops were in the Middle East...

Lorelei Leigh said...

frieda, that's the overconfidence that comes from having a big lead. I guess he figures it doesn't matter if he comes across as an arrogant, sneering ass, because he'll still win.

He's probably right, too.

I actually think both of them are lacking in presentation. Is it too late to not vote for either of them?

knox said...

"I so admire your eloquence..." Classy way to call him a bullshitter.

"Maybe you could understand a lot better" BAM!

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

And he has no idea what he's talking about on Colombia.

BJK said...

Did everyone else see the eye-roll to Obama's response about Colombian labor leaders justifying his opposition to free trade?

(I love this debate!)

Methadras said...

More 'spreading the wealth around' for the masses please. By the way, Schaefer is a douche.

CarmelaMotto said...

Reminds me...Kennedy's love Chavez too...keeps Joe III's "oil for the poor" going...he does commercials praising Chavez....

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

I mean, The One(PBUH) doesn't know what he's talking about on Colombian.

CarmelaMotto said...

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand

knox said...

Obama is too cool by half.

kimsch said...

Oby and his ha ha ha you're so stoopid laughing, yet, he's wrong.

Anonymous said...

Take that, Althouse Cohen, son the bourgeoisie!

vbspurs said...

Mum just texted that Obama looks like "a puppet on a string". Heh.

He didn't expect McCain to be feisty, and he looks very meek and defensive.

vbspurs said...

I am buying a federal pool too?!

Patm said...

This is almost word for word the same crap they talked about two weeks ago.

This is POINTLESS

bleeper said...

Of the two, Dear Leader (PBUH) has consumed far more Columbian than most humans.

Freeman Hunt said...

Can't "discriminate" on the basis of pre-existing conditions? What?!

knox said...

This enviro-talk is such a drag.

Methadras said...

Here is a good way to lower costs of health insurance plans. Stop treating illegal aliens in emergency rooms that are closing down because they are over-burdening the system with their little south-of-the-border ailments. That will see an immediate cost savings right there. Oh, however, it's so anti-human rights. Awww schucks!!!

Pastafarian said...

How about mentioning tort reform now, when discussing the cost of health care?

Anonymous said...

vbspurs said...peripatetic

WTF?

Speak regular American, limey!

CarmelaMotto said...

vbspurs - you will be paying for everything. In fact, I will quit my job...won't be worth it to work...

Freeman Hunt said...

Of the two, Dear Leader (PBUH) has consumed far more Columbian than most humans.

"I may not have been to Columbia, John, but I've inhaled plenty of goods from that place."

rcocean said...

McCain hates fat kids.

vbspurs said...

I was talking to my mechanic today. He said he is not a bright guy or anything, but he knows enough to understand that when times are tough, you don't ask people to pay more taxes.

By people, that means small business owners like him. If his taxes go up, he'll have to lay off at least one, or two guys.

JOE THE PLUMBER AGAIN!

Patm said...

Every debate, the number of uninsured rises.

Methadras said...

GO JOE THE PLUMBER!!!

Meade said...

Christy said...
"Obama is a liar. He is the kind of liar that grows out of a dysfuntional family. He doesn't know he lies. It is an intergal part of his character. He lies to shape the world around him. He believes his lies. It is so very obvious in this exchange."

Well observed. Smart comment.

Michael S said...

Oh no, not Joe! (my friend...)

al said...

If Obama lowers my premium 2500 a year I won't have a premium! Sweet.

OTOH I'll be stuck at the E.R. with all the illegals waiting to see a doctor.

veni vidi vici said...

"That awful wound that just won't heal?"

There's NOTHING awful about it, hoss.

vbspurs said...

LOL, jdeeripper.

OOH! If you like that, you'll love Canada and England.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

And there is no record, on his own senate website that he voted on the Peru Free Trade Agreement as he said (he said he supported it)

Anonymous said...

Now 5-0 Phillies. Still top of the 5th.

nina said...

Joe the Plumber! 8:58 p.m.

CarmelaMotto said...

You know what Christopher - I was just saying this to someone today - not everyone has his Jr. year abroad....

veni vidi vici said...

Welcome back, Joe the Plumber!

WTF is with Schieffer cutting McCain off all the time and turning the floor back to Obama? This is beginning to annoy me.

kimsch said...

I thought there was a law that said if you were covered for a condition and switched insurance (from an old job to a new one, through COBRA, etc) that you were covered for that condition on the new insurance.

Michael S said...

Next question -- define the threshold between a small / large business.

CarmelaMotto said...

Why is Schiefer allowing Obama to interrupt!

WHHHHATTT THE HELL WAS THAT?

Donn said...

Where's MM with the CC cookies???

vbspurs said...

won't be worth it to work...

Malkin (whose crap sandwich blogging I haven't liked, to be blunt) said to stop paying your mortgage.

What's the point? People who welch on their promises to pay back stuff are getting bailed out whereas the decent people are getting hosed.

kimsch said...

aren't small businesses up to 500 employees?

Chennaul said...
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CarmelaMotto said...

Kimsch that's true, but you have to pay for it. Under Obama's plan, I will pay for you.

Get it?

LonewackoDotCom said...

McCain's attacking Obama for not going to Mexico?

Under Obama, Mexico comes to you.

vbspurs said...

Now McCain will answer back, and Schieffer will cut him off immediately. Watch.

al said...

Cookies? Are they fresh? Milk?

Frieda said...

JOE the plumber is the winner...because he has become the anti-obama economic plan...

GO JOE GO

CarmelaMotto said...

Why won't McCain interrupt like Obama.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

Is Schieffer going to cut him off?

vbspurs said...

Joe, you're rich, congratulations!!

Patm said...

If you just listen to this and not watch, you notice that Sheiffer gives Obama more time, and that Obama talks and talks and talks and says almost nothing.

vbspurs said...

Big government at its WORST, John.

CarmelaMotto said...

why is he shaking his head? THat';s what you said OBAMA! It's on tape. ON TAPE!

Lorelei Leigh said...

Did someone say cookies? Now that's a proposal I could get behind.

Patm said...

On the radio, Obama sounds like "sound and fury" indicating nothing.

Freeman Hunt said...

I thought there was a law that said if you were covered for a condition and switched insurance (from an old job to a new one, through COBRA, etc) that you were covered for that condition on the new insurance.

True. And even if you don't get another job, you can purchase, on your own, a conversion policy which covers pre-existing conditions. (I know because that's what I did when I quit my job.)

knox said...

Who decides what business "can afford it" ???

vbspurs said...

John McCain is giving me 5000 dollars woo! I will put it all on the Powerball.

Patm said...

C'mon, Scheiffer, ask about OBMAM-ACORN

Jen Bradford said...

I pity whoever came in at the half-way point and is asking "who the hell is Joe?"

Lorelei Leigh said...

"Senator Government?" Heh.

vbspurs said...

Joe the Plumber is the best thing to happen to America in the past 2 weeks.

Michael S said...

Senator Government?

Zing!!!

Chip Ahoy said...

Senator Government Ha ha ha ha ha.

veni vidi vici said...

Senator Government!!!


Win!

vbspurs said...

John McCain with a self-satisfied grin. He knows the Joe the Plumber routine is scoring a lot of points with Main Street.

Meade said...

"Senator Government"

Peter Hoh said...

The Slog has an instant poll: What do you think Joe the Plumber is doing right now?

The answer in the dead? Fighting Joe Sixpack to the death.

Anonymous said...

Only people who have been abroad should be allowed to hold elective office. It also helps if you know how to ski (or 'board) and have a trust fund.

But, anyway, Democrats are for the little people.

The Drill SGT said...

McCain is explaining his health care plan poorly.

he should talk about shifting from employer based to personal plans, which are portable

vbspurs said...

Obama is going to mention that Paul Krugman loves his economic plan, and oh did you hear? He just won the Nobel Prize.

Jen Bradford said...
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I'm Full of Soup said...

Vbspurs:

"Joe you're rich congratulations!"

LOL.

Go Phils! 5-0 bottom of five.

Freeman Hunt said...

Who decides what business "can afford it" ???

Our anointed betters.

Patm said...

Senator Government?

al said...

VB - buy a couple of Glocks first. Or a Glock and a CZ75. Then splurge on powerball.

Donn said...

Did someone say cookies? Now that's a proposal I could get behind.

Yes, MM made fresh Oatmeal CC cookies TODAY.......the question is, will he share???

bleeper said...

Expecting those two to discuss tort reform would be like asking John Edwards to stop chasing ambulances. Not gonna happen.

Joe the Plumber = cowbell. I like that.

vbspurs said...

McCain pronounces "rather" like I do - raw-ther. That's old-fashioned or perhaps regional.

Anonymous said...

CarmelaMotto said...Why won't McCain interrupt like Obama.

Because he isn't an arrogant, smug, spoiled brat who thinks he's God's gift to the world.

knox said...

"transplants" AGAIN!

vbspurs said...

Al, thanks! Roger J and Drill Sgt counseled me about the guns already. I am about to buy a Glock, indeed. :)

Peter Hoh said...

Joe the Plumber better hope that he doesn't have any skeletons in his closet.

DD said...

Is it my imagination or is Obama talking about 10X longer than McCain? And Scheiffer keeps hurrying McCain along, but not Obama.

Palladian said...

"Because he isn't an arrogant, smug, spoiled brat who thinks he's God's gift to the world."

I like McCain and all, but YES HE DOES!

vbspurs said...

Obama = lismut test. ;)

knox said...

Fundamental differences!

F I N A L L Y

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

This may be a tricky question for both.

kimsch said...

Good on the Judges John!

Palladian said...

Does anyone have a picture of Joe the Plumber? I have a whole fantasy in my mind already and I need a visual.

Unknown said...

Sheeze, Obama's constant smirking is getting very annoying.

McCain's getting to him. I am surprised.

Peter Hoh said...

Time for Obama to thread the needle better than he did at Saddleback.

al said...

VB - good deal. Another armed female. Woohoo!

veni vidi vici said...

Obama has nothing to say about the judges issue. He's filibustering again.

For a HLS Law Review editor, this guy's off on a tangent about Roe.

vbspurs said...

DD, it's not your imagination.

It's a very good journalistic trick, because he just hurries rather than injecting himself into the debate. It'll be hard to complain about this, because it's a matter of feeling.

Mr. Forward said...

"Senator Government"!

Pastafarian said...

Palladian -- Joe's the guy in the picture next to my comments.

Freeman Hunt said...

Wow. I'm in the best position to decide another's life and death. And just for having female plumbing. That was some easy authority to snag.

knox said...

Abortion... here we go.

McCain, please bring up babies who survive abortions.

I am pro-choice and I am grossed out by Obama's stance on this.

Patm said...

Obama gets, what, ten minutes to talk, here?

vbspurs said...

Me and Sarah Palin, Al!

...Obama is sooooo boring right now. Wow, a woman named what? Louey Ledbetter?

Equal pay for equal work, Obama? Why do you pay your female staffers less than your male ones, whereas McCain doesn't?

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

Is he going to overturn statutes of limitation??

al said...

Will McCain bring up the fact that obama pays his female staff less then the men for the same job?

Palladian said...

"Palladian -- Joe's the guy in the picture next to my comments."

BZZT.

bleeper said...

I like Glock, they make a sound pistol. My brother does not like them. Some prefer revolvers - no shells flying about leaving evidence.

Find a good shop, preferably one with a range, get some time in there, and become comfortable with loading and unloading without harming anyone.

vbspurs said...

McCain, please bring up babies who survive abortions.

Here we go!!

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

McCain caught him. Well done!

Lorelei Leigh said...

"It was a trial lawyer's dream."

Not quite tort reform, but people have got to respond to good, old-fashioned lawyer bashing, right?

Michael S said...

BAIPA...wow.

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

Ugh! Blogger is getting on my nerves.

The Drill SGT said...

BTW Victoria, as a reader of your blog, I want to register in the queue (4-5 long ?) for your blog affection :)

not like 7M who wants freeman's interest.

I'm true and faithful :)

vbspurs said...

Find a good shop, preferably one with a range, get some time in there, and become comfortable with loading and unloading without harming anyone.

Thanks! My dad is ex-military, and we used to go to the shooting range when I was growing up. :)

CarmelaMotto said...

Yes - Joe the plumber was excellent because it caught Obama in an honest moment. Saying what he really believes and it sounds BAD.

kimsch said...

Ledbetter brought a racial discrimination case, not a gender discrimination case

Palladian said...

"And just for having female plumbing."

I hope you don't call Joe when you need someone to unclog...

Ernesto Ariel Suárez said...

Why does Obama get rebuttal time??

vbspurs said...

BTW Victoria, as a reader of your blog, I want to register in the queue (4-5 long ?) for your blog affection :)

Aww! Thanks so much. It's been too long that I spoke to you, Drill SGT. Hope you are well. :)

Anonymous said...

Palladian said...Does anyone have a picture of Joe the Plumber? I have a whole fantasy in my mind already and I need a visual.

He looks like a skinhead.

I'm Full of Soup said...

Still 5-0 Phils Top of the sixth.

Youse guys are making about 10 comments every 2-3 minutes.

I'll cheer for youse guys now - Go Team ! Cause the Phils have it in the bag I hope.

vbspurs said...

LOL Palladian. Wouldn't it be great if McCain had said that.

This debate desperately needs humour.

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