Remember when Dina Matos McGreevey was on "Oprah," pimping her memoir – another phony memoir? — and saying "No one ever said to me that he was gay. It's a cliché that the wife is always the last to know, and it's true." She was making cute faces like this:
Are you reading that face differently now?
Little Miss Attila snarks:
How much time did I spend, in my twenties, trying to get it out of my boyfriend why it wasn't gay for us both to hop into bed with another woman, but it would be if we got into bed with another guy?(Via Instapundit.)
ADDED: The novelist Richard Russo spun out his ideas for a fictionalized version of the Spitzer story. I'm sure this new rumor about Dina should fire up the novelist's brain. Maybe the wife's interest is not all about her husband and children. She might be enjoying sexual opportunities of her own. I don't know if the rumor is true, but that's an attractive young man her husband allegedly brought home to her and approved of her consorting with. If her husband was, in fact, gay, he was not much of a sexual partner for her. I'd like to see this scenario spun out by a novelist who is capable of seeing the woman as something other than outraged and wronged.
UPDATE: Dina Matos McGreevey says she didn't do it. But Governor Jim — enmeshed in divorce proceedings — says she did.
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She looks a lot like Tori spelling in that photo.
Makes me wonder if Silda Spitzer had a little something on the side, too.
Bob, your comment about Silda Spitzer tells a lot about you, not her.
Ann--were you and Dina separated at birth?
David - - the cynic is always pleasantly surprised. I'll be happy to be proven wrong, but it may take several years, if the McGreevy examplar is anything to go by.
How much time did I spend, in my twenties, trying to get it out of my boyfriend why it wasn't gay for us both to hop into bed with another woman, but it would be if we got into bed with another guy?
If it was anything beyond 20 seconds, you clearly didn't have much else to dicuss with your boyfriend.
I don't know how a woman can be married to a man for a length of time and not realize he's gay, or at least have suspicions. That said, I do know that some people are capable of going into denial on steroids when it's someone they love (and want to continue to love as they have) is at question. It's a denial that defies all logic and common sense.
I'm not understanding how Dina became such a villain in this. Can somebody nutshell that?
Zeb, It seems Dina isn't so much a villain as she is simply a common everyday fraud.
If there is a true villain or villains in the whole thing, it would probably be Oprah and Oprah's enabling audience.
One thing seems clear though - the term "gay" is being poorly used by Little Miss Attila and others. The opposite of "straight," in this case, would not be "gay" but "crooked."
Dina isn't so much a villain as she is simply a common everyday fraud
What fraud? That supposedly she really knew he was gay all along?
As Titus would say, we need details and there are possibilities for how that played out that give her some cover for not knowing but at best she is (was) extremely naive. Reminds me of a movie I saw, a cute blond and two guys, can't remember the name.
Without getting into the various and sundry ins and outs (so to speak) of such a scenario, you don't necessarily have to be "gay" to engage in such a configuration. All depends on who is doing what to whom.
Anyone who thinks Dina should have suspected her husband was homosexual is nothing more than a disgusting anti-Hellenic bigot!
As usual, a filthy old joke shows us the way: A newlywed Greek couple is making love in bed when the groom says to his bride, “Honey, why don’t you roll over and we can finish that way.”
The young woman is outraged and she says, “My father warned me there’d come a day you’d ask that question. He said I don’t have to if I don’t want to and I don’t want to so the answer is NO!”
The young man is puzzled and he says, “But Honey, I though you said you want to have children.”
P.S. I learned that joke from a filthy old Greek guy . . . so that makes it okay.
P.P.S. NTTAWWT!
"That supposedly she really knew he was gay all along?"
Not necessarily gay. But, at least, non-monogamous.
They are in a custody battle over their daughter. Dina seems to be arguing that he betrayed the marriage by not disclosing his attraction to other males and therefore doesn't deserve to share custody of the child produced, apparently, by their having had consensual married heterosexual procreative sex with each other (at least once) some seven or so years ago. I said it last year when she was pimping her memoir: they all seem to be a little crooked and creepy. Too bad for the daughter that she has to be raised by either of them.
And dammit, Bissage, quit trying to subliminally butter us up with your Helleniphobic humor!
(btw, just how filthy WAS that old greek guy?)
By making the spouse an innocent victim, the hope is that the consequences to the guilty party will be lessened since the victim will suffer further. If he/she goes to jail, the other will suffer from lost income, etc. Just a weak attempt at sympathy that only works for about 5 minutes.
Bissage that is not the correct honeymoon joke for ethnic sensibilities. It's this one:
A Polish couple is married and goes to bed on their wedding night. But they were both good and faithful Catholics so they were both virgins. They rolled around for a while but they couldn't figure out what they had to do. Finally the wife said, "Stanley, I think I know what we have to do." "What's that." "You have to take that thing you play with and stick it in where I pee" she said. "Are you sure" said Stanley. "Yes" said his wife.
So he got out of bed and put his bowling ball in the sink.
ugh, I hated "Empire Falls" by Russo. I had no idea it was building up to a school shooting, and never would have read it if I had. If I want to read that crap, I'll pick up the newspaper. I really, really hated that book. Not at all surprised the author would want to write about something as dull and contrived as a Spitzer plot.
That twink is cute.
"That twink is cute."
Well, to each his own.
Myself, I've sort of got the hots for McGreevey's mom (photo: left, rear).
Something tells me she ain't never gonna ask me no uncomfortable questions about my sex-shoe-al-uh-TEE.
Turns out she’s of Portuguese descent, not Greek.
Porcas!!!
(and Καρύδια!!!)
The version I heard of the joke was different (arguably worse).
A Greek mother is worried about her married daughter:
Mom: Why aren't you pregnant yet? Don't you and your husband make love?
Daughter: Oh yes, almost every day, but to tell you the truth I can't keep myself from sh***ing afterwards.
(I'll accept my humanitas award by mail, thank you)
Even if the recent allegations about Dina are true, there is a huge difference between a couple having a threesome with full knowledge and consent of the other and having an affair on the side.
I admit I haven't been paying much attention to this quasi-scandal, but is there any actual evidence that this stuff happened? My understanding is that there was just one guy claiming it had. Unless there's something more to it than that, it seems uncharitable to assume the wife was lying.
This quite unexpected and wonderfully titillating story about Jim and Dina McGreevey’s three-way sex assignations clearly raises the bar on governmental sex-scandals. Now the Eliot Spitzer online hooker episode seems a pedestrian exercise by comparison.
Personally, I’m hoping for another boudoir bombshell, this one about what really ended the marriage of San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsome and his lovely wife Kimberly Guilfoyle. And it had better involve partner-swapping swinger parties, same-sex encounters, the pizza delivery man, a women’s basketball team and several out-of-work American Gladiators. That’s if they want to get America’s attention, that is.
The ex-Gov has confirmed the story. Of course, he might just be saying that to get an edge in the custody hearing.
Geez Drew, no requirement for horses, priests, or pianos?
Oh sorry, I was just remembering an old movie directed by Luis Buñuel , Un Chien Andalou.
Hey titus--where'd you go? We've got a topic here that needs your insight.
Hey titus--where'd you go? We've got a topic here that needs your insight.
I'm feeling awfully square these days - my priest loves America, I don't engage the services of hookers, even cheap ones; my wife and I don't have threesomes... am I the only one?
drew w said...
Now the Eliot Spitzer online hooker episode seems a pedestrian exercise by comparison.
Nah, there is a difference. Old Eliot was in the habit of making enemies every where he went. He abused his authority, ruined lives, and persecuted versus prosecuted people and institutions. He also viciously went after prostitution rings.
McGreevey, and now possibly his wife, was just an alternate lifestyle kind of guy. People liked him, until his scandal. People hated Spitzer before and after the scandal.
Pogo:
I was thinking about sleazy porn while you were thinking about a masterpiece of surrealism. Maybe we could meet halfway with Behind The Age D'Or.
[Incidentally, I always thought Dylan was making a Bunuel reference with the line from "Visions Of Johanna": Jewels and binoculars hang from the head of the mule.]
Paging Trooper York, paging Trooper York...
Universal Studios 1969:
Three into Two Won't Go
Rod Steiger
Claire Bloom
Judy Geeson
Maybe we could meet halfway with "Behind The Age D'Or."
Oh, I don't know . . . maybe there's another halfway point between sleazy porn and a masterpiece of surrealism.
WARNING: At high volume, the following link is not safe for sexually desirous persons doing drugs in darkened rooms. LINK.
The ex-Gov has confirmed the story. Of course, he might just be saying that to get an edge in the custody hearing.
And he might have paid or asked the guy to spread the story in the first place. I'm just suspicious that this guy is popping up *now*. Why not when Dina McGreevey was first doing the talk show circuit? It seems weird for a person with such lurid details about a scandal to wait until well after the scandal breaks to spill the beans.
Sam: After tonight, the three of us are not to be seen together ever again.
Kelly Van Ryan: After tonight.
(Wild Things, 1998)
Michael Loftus: [to Vivian] I can tell you're a real woman, not one of those stuffed brassieres you see on Park Avenue. You've got all the works that make a woman want to go, and live, and love.
Now let me introduce to my driver…..oh James
James The Driver: You called sir.
(Three on a Match, 1932)
Jim: We played with life and lost.
Catherine: Watch us well, Jules! None for you!.
Jules: Why not.
Catherine: You said, "I love you," I said, "Wait." I was going to say, "Take me," you said, "Go away."
(Jules et Jim, 1962)
Jim McGreevey: I played at love and lost.
Dina Matos McGreevy: Fila mou to kolo!!!!
Theodore; We need not fight like this. We have a beautiful thing going.
Dina Matos Mc Greevy: As to thialo!
Jim McGreevey: You just hate me because I am a gay American.
Dina Matos McGreevy: Malaka wanker gamisou (putting her hands over her ears) POUSITS, POUSITS, POUSITS.
Theodore: This always seems to work so well in the movies.
(Jules et Jim McGreevey, 2006)
I'd like to see this scenario spun out by a novelist who is capable of seeing the woman as something other than outraged and wronged.
I've read that novel. Except the third guy isn't the driver, it's the pizza delivery boy, and she's empowered to pay him by expanding his horizons.
rev -- when I first read the story I figured the guy was shopping a book around!
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