Writes Supriya Ganesh, "My Strange Dysphoria/Growing up in India, I never questioned my gender. When I moved to the U.S. at 18, I began to feel disconnected from my body" (New York Magazine).
"I came to the U.S. thinking it would be where I would get to explore my queerness without cultural taboo or shame. In some ways, this was certainly true, but I also began to feel dysphoric. In college, I opted to live in what was known as the 'party' dorm right off of frat row and would frequently see hypermasculine men and hyperfeminine women, largely straight and white, flit between my dorm and the houses. In trying to mimic their presentation, I became aware of my body as an economic landscape that could be mined to impress a gender presentation upon it.... I felt increasingly disconnected from my body, punishing it for something it could never be. I would chemically straighten my curls, contemplate a nose job, and get waxed on a schedule I took more seriously than some of my classes, so that I wouldn’t be the ungroomed, hairy brown girl. And still, it felt like I was consistently dehumanized in a way white women were not, no matter how they presented. When I performed femininity appropriately, I was exotic; when I didn’t engage in hair removal for a summer because I wanted to spend that money on textbooks instead, I was repulsive and mannish...."

64 comments:
What a coincidence, I never questioned your gender either.
Isn't it odd how gender dysphoria exploded. I've witnessed it happening to people I know. Including a little old man. He switched to being a woman late in life, stay married to his wife...
After what "they" did to everyone during COVID - I think there is a possibility that this is a dispersal experiment.
Those with means can have surgeries and take hormones. Some men - just put on a dress and call it done.
Gender (i.e. sex-correlated attributes) or sex? The conflation is the result of congruent constructs that normalize social dysphoria with forward-looking benefits.
Sim or homo? Bi, perhaps.
I don't necessary think it's sex. It's not homosexual. Look at all the men in dresses in the prison system - abusing women.
Look at all the hairy men in dresses who demand to be let into women's private spaces. Look at all the men who want to compete as women - so they can take a gold medal home.
They are fucking with our systems.
Whichever secret 4chan troll convinced all these shitlib rich kids to castrate themselves is a genius. My hat is off to you, sir/ma'am.
Came to an American University and was driven crazy. Checks out.
Sorry buddy - Americans are sometimes superficial and cruel. Don't have a hair out of place. I suggest you concentrate on your studies. That said - In B town - hairy men in dresses parade all over the place. welcome by.
Social contagion is an established cause of Diverse dysphorias.
Martin #
Like most things, there is a Pro and there is a Con and then there are those that don't want to participate. She picked one side and didn't even realize it.
For a generation of people that wanted to break free from Normality, they just ended up creating their own restrictive version of it.
"..I am upper-caste, upper-class.."
IF sociology was an actual science, it would be interesting to see a breakdown of:
gender dysphoria across class and race across the world
i'm postulating that it is an upperclass white thing;
but there's no data.
Seems like the Only Existing Data is that gender dysphoria is Highly Related to the number of your friends and family that ALSO have gender dysphoria. But, i wonder how that is among differing groups?
You would be wrong Gilbar. Here in Thailand we have Katoeys and Toms. But no one is making a big deal about it
Dysphoria, difference, or distortion... contortion?
I mean, every culture has its norms of attractiveness and status. It's true that ours, at present, includes dressing in very casual ways, sometimes in what used to be only blue-collar workwear but with special brand names (Carhartt must be giddy), and women's removing most body and facial hair. But we're fortunate, in the western world, to be able to flout those norms if we choose to. You just have to be mentally tough enough - probably a big ask for a young woman in college, which might be the second-most conformist environment we have after middle school.
As for her being "queer," I wish we could all agree that not wanting to (or maybe not feeling obliged to) meet those norms (which are often but not solely sex-specific - the workwear thing can be sex-neutral, for instance) is not a sign that you have a new kind of sexuality, but only that you're a nonconformist by certain measures. Why the TQ parts of the alphabet soup insist that everyone conform to "gender roles" is a mystery to me.
Oh, and - MUST we medicalize every damn thing?
Queer is not weird, sisters, other than homos who trans in near proximity to viability.
The female can wear pants in a chance, but the male is not hip to wear a dress or the dance.
"economic landscape"...
Insights from the 17 th century, repackaged in contemporary verbiage.
Over 2,300 words to say...what, exactly?
"I am grateful to the queer artists and writers of color who’ve allowed me to understand my experience of the world and saved me from hermeneutical injustice, which they likely had to face on their own."
Hermeneutical injustice. I see.
gilbar said...
"IF sociology was an actual science"
I think it's possible to examine sociological data with legitimate scientific rigor, though the error bars would tend to be larger. I'll even go as far as saying that some of the most useful college courses I took were in sociology, and I was a hard-core science major.
Of course, given the decades-long trends in sociology, the natural response to any sociology research is to ignore it or think it to be in error, and I can't say that necessarily would be a mistake.
If only the purpose of research were to understand the world, rather than to advance the narrative of the day!
It’s demonic
I never really liked tulips, then I came to the Netherlands.
Oso Negro said...
You would be wrong Gilbar. Here in Thailand we have Katoeys and Toms.
yes, i've heard about that.
AND..
at what incidence?
how much of an increase in the last 20 years?
plus, how many (what %) of sudden onset gender dysphoria among minor children assigned female at birth are of Thai heritage?
Men are absolutely allowed to wear dresses and skirts. And they do. (that's pass the salt)
The left demand strict adherence to allowing men who say they are women, beat women in women's sports and undress your daughter in the YMCA locker room.
So the left used to care about women. now they care about fake women.
That does not mean gender dysphoria isn't real. it is.
And not all men who feel as if they are really women are abusing the situation.
So I'm confused. Is it a boy or a girl?
Biff said...
"..I think it's possible to examine sociological data with legitimate scientific rigor..
..I'll even go as far as saying that some of the most useful college courses I took were in sociology..
..If only the purpose of research were to understand the world, rather than to advance the narrative of the day!
If Only!
yes; i think Sociology would be/could be the most useful science there is..
If Only!
however, Sociology just Margret Mead or Masters and Johnson making up lies, and falsifying data
Yes
The First World poisoned her mind.
Anyone have a problem with a transmale with a long beard using the women's bathroom? I would think that would upset lot of girls. If he used the men's bathroom, nobody would notice.
Biff @ 9:37am,
I think you're making a category error here.
*Real* science (by which I mean hard science if you want to use the hard and soft modifiers) is based on actual measurement and repeatable experiments. So much of sociology "data" is self-reported and thus not remotely the same kind of information as hard science data.
Next, there are many types of experimentation which we (rghtly) prohibit being used on humans, as well as the simple inability to repeat many kinds of experiments regarding cognition, perception, presumption, prejudice... Once you've run the experiment once, you can't clear the slate and run it again.
So while you are correct that there is much insight to be gained from sociology, to call it "science" misleads rather than in farms.
Until then she'd never taken a gander at her gender or groused about her genitalia.
Don't look down.
I don't think a lot of kids question their gender until they are exposed and indoctrinated to the American liberal public education system.
I'm simply going to put this out there for others to decide for themselves, but it is my belief that we are living through the age of reemergence of the ancient gods. Specifically, the reemergence of Inanna/Ishtar, who was the original shapeshifter and gender bender. The ancient Sumerians were under her dominion and it appears that we have also been subjected to her influence. She has made her appearance known at various times and in various guises over the centuries, including Diana/Artemis in ancient Greece and Rome while at other times, she has been occluded and forced into the background. I frankly can come up with no better an explanation for this phenomenon we are now witnessing. One might be tempted to think that others in the pantheon of ancient gods are reappearing as well, exerting their baleful influence over mankind. The moon god of islam, called allah by moslems but much earlier identified as one of the Annunaki called Sin by the Mesopotamians of Ur has been ascendant in certain quarters for some time now. Of course, we moderns scoff at the idea of the supernatural or the existence of such things.
Democrats messing with children = child abuse.
Don't blame me, I voted for Gozer the Gozerian.
I dated a white woman had hair running from her navel to her privates. She said Indians called it the Road to Paradise. It was not a good look and would quell any paradise-like thoughts.
The number of immigrants disappointed in the country that welcomed them is high, if we go by the number that get paid to write about their disappointment.
Women have more trouble seeing their own genitalia.
Most trans are homos, some are temporarily confused or dissatisfied, and some are sims. Most people did not consider the first and third categories until they were celebrated with albinophobic symbols and rhetoric in parades, and the second received empathetic support until there was forward-looking looking profit to be reaped in grooming and gender corruption, in social progress garnered with pushing women to the back of the bus, and girls under the bus with politically congruent constructs.
Jim53IQ wrote:
"Anyone have a problem with a transmale with a long beard using the women's bathroom? I would think that would upset lot of girls. If he used the men's bathroom, nobody would notice."
Jim, I wouldn't have an issue with a cis-female using my restroom at the same time but then females aren't dangerous to me or other men in 99.9999999999999% of bathroom circumstances. The real question, and the one you failed to raise is this- would you have a problem with a trans-female or a cis-male using the same public restroom with your 12 year-old daughter? You can answer, if you like.
Women have more trouble seeing their own genitalia.
They have arousing but muted suspicions in retrospect. Then came baby and affirmative gender affirmation of her first and him in sympathetic union.
Don't blame me, I voted for Gozer the Gozerian.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.
If you don't want to be characterized as "exotic," don't move to a country half-way around the world where the vast majority of people don't look like you.
“ Still, the popular conception of what a woman or a man was felt more fluid.”
Can’t get more fluid than here, where college students no longer know what those two terms even mean.
Shorter essay: "I had to come to an American university to go insane."
“ I am upper-caste, upper-class, Hindu”
And that statement is what is wrong with India.
1. Obamacare (ACA) required gender treatment, and thereby gave lower income people a path to expensive surgery. It made transitions "legit medical procedures."
2. Some doctors are greedy psychopaths, and focus on the next billing cycle over "first, do no harm." Quite a few, actually.
3. Woke/gender/rainbow politics entered an ideological vacuum on the left. They purged religion for hedonism, free love, and indulgence. This began with abortion politics. "Anything is better than nothing."
4. Younger people face a world where they are half gaslit by friendly medical professionals and half the blind leading the stupid.
5. Mature male to female transitions seem to be an update of Howard Stern's prank calls to radio stations. The medical angle gave eccentric and beta males a legal path to easier female access (and no longer "predatory").
6. Females with autism were allowed to act on their willful literalism. Female sexuality floats between compassion, companionship, hormones, and breeding interest. They've long operated between monogamy, prostitution, harems, etc. Transitions are one more flavor.
"[And there] is our third-gender community, or hijras, as they are commonly known"
Doesn't seem like the Indian treatment of their hijras is anything to brag about.
Yes I do have a problem with that Yancy. Just saying that focusing on birth sex alone is also problematic and I’m glad you seem to acknowledge that.
I am beginning to suspect that most women live their lives in a state of abject terror.
RNB --
Women today who are told to focus on abortion over their natural reproductive drives, and to worry about a bunch of eco stuff they can't control, and to compare themselves to supermodels 24/7 are indeed anxious/terrorized.
They largely talked to each other to get themselves into this state, as mental illness if off the charts with young women. Women evolved as caregivers in family units, not as urban office drones with no kids or kids in daycare.
They just be trippin;.
We're in a period of transition - truly no pun intended. If we are to believe that gender dysphoria, like other forms of body dysmorphia, has been ever-present but hidden, in the same way that homosexuality has been ever-present but largely hidden until the last century or so, then we are now in a time in which it's no longer hidden but we haven't decided what to do about it yet.
Homosexuality, we've mostly decided to accept as just the way sexual attraction works for some people. But tolerance of homosexuality doesn't require either that society pay for medical intervention to enable the gay person to live out their interior feelings, or a society-wide Emperor's New Clothes in which we all have to pretend that the gay person really truly actually is something she is demonstrably not. (I personally think we're still in transition with regard to homosexuality, as we struggle with the difference between "tolerance" and "celebration."
Gender dysphoria - we haven't even decided yet whether to treat it as a mental disorder that will mostly pass if the person is affirmed in her biological sex and freedom not to conform to old stereotypes about it (or, in the case of autogynephilia masquerading as gender dysphoria, a mental disorder deserving of compassion but not ratification), or as some new category of personal identity that must be validated externally for civil rights reasons. And then there are the practical matters like public restrooms.
I know what side I come down on, but the most influential voices in society at present have made a play for the side I'm not on - that is being challenged only now that children are being affected.
America does that to you.
India does other things to you.
"I am upper-caste, upper-class, Hindu, and also a Tamil woman who didn’t look like the models in the Fair & Lovely commercials. I was the only Tamilian in most rooms I was in, a fact my North Indian classmates consistently reminded me of. Still, the popular conception of what a woman or a man was felt more fluid. I grew up among Sikh women who didn’t tame their body hair, men who would hold hands platonically with their male friends, and children who cross-dressed for play (almost every boy had a photo of himself dressed up as a girl by his mother for fun)...."
Something about this sounds performative. Invoking class for some sort of credibility, invoking ethnicity to identify with the oppressed, using examples to hint at gender fluidity where there isn't necessarily a connection...all to make it seem as though it was the natural state all along. Eh.
Transturbation.
So, since sims are politically incongruent. So much so that liberals are socially distancing them from others in the spectrum. Should society celebrate them in parades, quietly tolerate their choices, and invite sacrificial femininehood, childhood for the sake of social justice?
Wow. Gender. Race. Victimization. The trifecta. I am so fricking tired of this.
Has she tried playing a sport?
Oppression Olympics. She has to work extra hard to avoid her privilege, wealth, and the lower castes whom she actually oppresses.
So of course it's all white women's fault.
I don't believe she had to choose between getting waxed (?) and buying textbooks, either. But if true, that has to be the funniest sob story in the world. Prejudiced, fibbing narcisism is no way to go through life. And Americans are no more superficial than people from India.
If you don't want to be characterized as "exotic," don't move to a country half-way around the world where the vast majority of people don't look like you.
Grievance is capital. It's money -- and much more. It means you don't have to feel guilty about your own inherited advantages. It makes you interesting and gives you a narrative. It gives you a buffer against life's ups and downs and a reason for your failures. You can feel that you are victimized and justified and that your day will come in the future. There are also career opportunities that go to oppressed or marginalized minority groups. A "high class, high caste" Hindu in India may hold all the cards in life but doesn't get much sympathy. Western elites welcome such people, and upper class, upper caste Indians in the West don't feel guilty about their privileges.
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