December 11, 2025
"The Trump administration wants to persuade four more countries to leave the European Union to 'Make Europe Great Again'..."
"... according to reports of a longer, still-classified version of the US national security strategy released last week.
There are also suggestions of creating a new elite C5, or Core Five, forum of world powers to sideline the G7, comprising America, China, India, Japan and Russia.
The four EU countries seen as targets to follow Brexit are Austria, Hungary, Italy and Poland, according to leaked details reported by the US defence website Defense One. The classified version of the strategy, which warned of 'civilisational erasure' in Europe because of mass immigration and multiculturalism, is believed to call for the US to 'support parties, movements, and intellectual and cultural figures who seek sovereignty and preservation/restoration of traditional European ways of life … while remaining pro-American.'"
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Europeans can thank us later.
This is how the window of possible futures is expanded. This is what happens when you depend on the endless, bottomless love and support of someone you take for granted.
Hello Europe! Do we have your attention yet?
@mezzrow, I'll see his "persuade four nations to leave EU" and raise him a "USA out of NATO". Talk about "taking US for granted."
Trump is a globalist, who is counting on his cultists following to continue to prop him up here on the US while our economy declines. There is no America First with Trump. Gaslighting his base won’t work after a while, the realty of affordability won’t be so easily dismissed as being a Democratic hoax.
Also Europe laughs at Trump, even Austria, Hungary, Italy and Poland. His plans to run Europe will never get off the ground. Europeans know better, all they have to do is look at what has occurred right here in the US. Europe will deal with its own problems without the added chaos from the Trump regime.
Leaked.
Well - Europeans have been given the Soros treatment.
The entire world needs to wake up and tell the Soros family to go fuck themselves.
Cause it has worked out so well with the UK. Only 31% think it was the right decision compared to 56% who think it was a mistake. But Donald knows best. As always.
Inag - you act like some sort of expert - you're nothing of the sort. You're a leftist cultist.
You voted for Biden. LOL. Everyone is laughing at you.
Maybe leaked, maybe deliberate. Maybe true, maybe not. Oh the intrigue.
Those Trumpy Bells, Those Trumpy Bells Are Breaking Up that Old Gang of Mine,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPkgHPHULe0
Quiet, quiet Piggy.
@SpaceMountain:
There will be a time to stand up and turn over. The "leaks" are just preparing the ground. The walls are closing in (I had to use that) and we still have to cross the river. Just keep that for a kicker if they panic and do something stupid first.
I think panic is not far away.
Regime change at its finest.
I don't believe anything I read in the London Times, especially "leaks" that get the Europeans all riled up against Trump.
Is the DoJ/FBI going to prosecute someone who leaked classified foreign policy documents.
Here is my long shot bet, that Poland really is looking to regain the territory that it lost to Ukraine through a deal between Stalin and Hilter.
Europe is transitioning to Islam. This is good strategy by the Trump administration to get ready for it by working with European countries that don’t want this. The U.S. also needs to figure out how to seize the nuclear weapons of France & England before the Muslims take over those countries.
If only we - or actually, was it "we," or was it the London Times? - could characterize the goal accurately: "multiculturalism" is not the proximate problem. "Critical mass of non-assimilating immigrants from cultures some of whose values are inconsistent with the values of the Enlightenment, which includes the not-quite-dry husk of Judeo-Christianity" is. A "European way of life" is a euphemism for those Enlightenment values.
But of course to call those values "Enlightenment values" implies that there are other values that are not enlightened. And we can't have that.
Turns out that EU judges can find cases based on a matter of conscience, which is how they overturned the Romanian election, because they didn't like the outcome. Basically if the judges on your highest court can rule, not even dressed up as a matter of law, they are kings, and you surrender your sovereignty to join such a union.
@mezzrow, “The weakness of Europeans is inversely proportional to the belligerence of their statements.” – Bruno Clermont
In 20 years they've gone from 24% share of global output to 14%, and the trendline will continue. Their economies and demographics show they're dying by suicide, so of course, Gerald Celente was correct when he said "when all else fails, they take you to war”.
They need war with Russia because they need a blank slate, and they need our help to do it.
I speak Hungarian rather comfortably, have worked there, and have a number of friends there. Most of the country is thoroughly fed up with the EU. This is now even more the case since the EU has said it will impose a €20,000 fine on Hungary for each Muslim migrant it refuses to accept.
They arent going to get the _xit, because those countries are too intimately integrated. Theres no place for Polish or Hungarian workers to work abroad, and most FDI is intra-European, as are the vast bulk of their exports.
The UK had little to lose in Brexit, because of its enormous trade deficit with the continent and massively inbound labor market, but these guys? Who replaces Europe?
Europe lately has become a more of a critic than a friend. The I don't blame the administration for trying this.
Quiet, quiet Piggy
Wasn't the reporter's name Peggy? Pretty sure this is just another suckerzanloooozerz type hoax y'all are getting your back up over. It really is pitiful how low you have to stoop to try and fail but try try again to "get Trump."
Try harder. Put some freaking effort in.
The Title of the classified document was:
The Austro-Hungary Empire Strategy. When all the countries have left the EU, they will march on Croatia and Serbia.
Hungary has some history with Islam that they would prefer not to repeat.
Best include Sweden in the list. Right now, Sweden's net immigration for 2025 will finish in negative numbers. Ursula can't tolerate that or she'll look like a ineffectual jackass. therefore some form of EU-imposed punishment will follow or the whole rotten structure will collapse like a bad joke gone very stale, which be widely rejected and encourage even more defection from Von der Leyen's Islamization project.
Denmark is about to adopt similar anti-immigration measures. Poland takes none and laughs at threatened EU sanctions. Hungary, too. Anti-immigration parties are in the ascendant everywhere, even suicidal Belgium. The Times is being rather ridiculous. The Europe Union is being dismantled by rebel members whose complaints against Brussels' policies are just and unanswerable by anyone decent and honorable. Trump's State Department is just holding their coats.
Nobody can tell you how Leaving the EU has hurt the UK. And the Labour Government is trying to tie up any future Government with deals and Treaties, so UK will always be subject to EU rules and Bureaucrats.
The EU keeps interfering in our affairs, so goose / gander and all that turnabout howdy ya do. NATO commanders shouldn't be criticizing our NatSec policy without first resigning their commission to become pundits.
Talk shit in Germany about their dear leader and they'll put you in irons.
Buwaya,
Islam replaces Europe.
The EU should be an economic customs union. And that's it. Get rid of the EU parliment. Get rid of the rules and regulation. Just have no tarriffs between EU countries and a common tarriff for others.
"Try harder. Put some freaking effort in."
A difficult command. Inag would have to reduce her intake to one 36-ounce Whitman Sampler per day.
“Wasn't the reporter's name Peggy?”
No. Do try to keep up. Her name is Catherine Lucey.
I keep saying, bring back the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth!
That, and the Boston Rag. CC, JSM
The world gdp is growing faster than Europe (and the US, and Japan) because nearly all of it is starting from a much lower base. The world has been getting richer quickly, the poor parts the most quickly.
The US gdp PPP is itself down vs global from 19-20% to 14.8 from 2004 to 2024
And as for fertility, the proposed big 5 are dying out as fast or faster than Europe. All but India.
"NATO commanders shouldn't be criticizing our NatSec policy"
They hold their commissions from their own nations, not NATO. They are members of an alliance, not subjects.
mccullough said, "Buwaya, Islam replaces Europe."
Europeans have built the most advanced civilization in human history. The skyscrapers of Van Der Rohe are what you see in BeiJing instead of pagodas in NYC. To be taken seriously no foreign leader wears their native costume, they wear a suit. The English language (which itself is an Indo-European mashup) is de facto koine throughout the sphere. To abstain from using our weapons is military suicide, and then one day Europeans started paying non-Europeans to move into all the countries they built using their own transportation technology and demographically replace them because not doing so is racist or something.
Not planned or anything. Totally natural. Sure.
"Islam replaces Europe"
They are, I believe, wearing out their welcome and getting blocked. As for your opinion, it is in the main catastrophizing.
Somebody in DC didn't understand the meaning of "classified."
This is another indication that "investigative reporters" are just tools and mouthpieces for bureaucrats with agendas.
Is it a real strategy or just a ploy? If the EU fears that countries are going to be mass exiting will it mend its ways?
The G-Whatever and the BRICS form competing blocs. We are going to need summits and diplomacy that bridge and connect the blocs rather than divide them and consolidate each against the other.
End the euro and most of the EU's problems go away.
Japan, Russia, Austria, Hungary, Italy.
What would someone in 1945 think of this being the US dream alignment in 2025?
The UK didnt suffer from Brexit. You cant find a metric that shows anything like it. The anti-Brexit side is beating a dead horse.
That said, there are reasons for that. The UK had a massive trade deficit vs the continent. It also has a massive net investments in Europe - the UK owns a lot more Euro property (and business investment) than Euros owned in the UK. And there were very few Britons working in the continent vs a large number of Euros working in the UK ( the "Polish plumbers"). As it happens I have two relatives living and working in the UK still, one a university professor and the other a physician. They were grandfathered in by Brexit.
The UK had little to lose by Brexit, in spite of all the sqawking. A few documents annotated, adjustments made, it was all sorted out, and there are still Britons retiring on the Costa del Sol and the UK is still importing Spanish tomatoes and French butter and eggs.
These factors dont apply to Poland and Hungary and Italy and etc.
Balance of trade, investments and labor all go the other way.
Paddy O said, "What would someone in 1945 think of this being the US dream alignment in 2025?"
If they'd managed to live so long, many might come to the realization their friends might've died for nothing.
Italy and Hungary don’t want to exit the EU, yes, even Hungary. Poland definitely wants to stay in and Austria wants to stay in. There isn’t enough support for these countries to do Trump’s bidding to get out of the EU.
Ending the Euro may help a few troubled places play financial games by devaluing their own currencies. Its a good way of getting rid of domestic debt (screwing your own nations creditors who foolishly lent money to their own government). I can see how that would appeal to a Greek government say. But that is thinking only of very proximate crises ( as Greek governments usually do).
It doesn't help with your national credit rating or political risk ratings. Therefore fewer people will want to invest there or lend you money, and you will then have to deal with capital flight.
I speak Hungarian rather comfortably
I am impressed. The Uralic tongues are among the world's most difficult for non-native speakers to learn. All those cases and agglutinations, difficult rules of pronunciation, and never an Indo-European cognate to help you.
Thank you for clarifying since I did not track that story and I'm glad the flotsam I recalled about her name was wrong because the remark is quite funny as is. There's little chance I'll pay close attention to that kind of story going forward either.
I can however note you have in fact stepped up your efforts and disregard the snark from Quaestor.
Inag - it isn't Trump's bidding - you fool. The EU is a failure.
Jaq said...
Here is my long shot bet, that Poland really is looking to regain the territory that it lost to Ukraine through a deal between Stalin and Hilter.
A lot of people have missed the legislation that was passed in Poland to ban various kinds of Maidan regime propaganda.
The Ukrainian refugees in Poland took to celebrating some of Ukraine’s war heroes from WWII.
Oddly enough those war heroes are popular because they killed a lot of Ukrainians.
Spiros Pappas said...
End the euro and most of the EU's problems go away.
I have to disagree here.
The Euro isn’t the source of the issues it is a symptom of.
The core problem with Europe is a ruling elite that hates the people of Europe.
Quiet, quiet Piggy.
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