The New York subway system began in 1904, and I wondered about those early incidents. Here's a report in the NYT from May 16th of that year:
Two boys, thirteen and fourteen years old, who had tried to get a free ride on a New York Central train coming into this city late Saturday night, were found on top of a tall refrigerator car early yesterday morning, both seriously hurt and one dying. They had struck a low bridge while seated on top of the car. The less seriously injured had held his dying comrade in his arms during the long trip down.
The train is known as Albany Local No. 80.... The train had reached the yards at the Grand Central Station, and the trainmen were preparing to switch out the cars when one of them discovered the two boys on top of the tallest car of the lot. One of them was holding the limp body of the other in his arms. The trainmen climbed up and carried both boys to the trainshed, and had Policeman Miller of the Grand Central Station send for an ambulance.
One of the boys was conscious, and was able, in a dazed way, to tell that he was Arthur Stretch, fourteen years old, of 204 West Thirteenth Street, and that the other boy was his cousin, Edward Gilday, thirteen years old, of 370 West Twelfth Street. They had climbed on the cars at Poughkeepsie to tramp their way to New York. They chose the refrigerator car because it was wide and high. They were enjoying their ride seated on top of the car, when somewhere along the line as the train was rushing along they struck a low bridge. They had been knocked down, but did not roll off the car.
The boys were taken to the Flower Hospital, where Gilday died at 2:50 o'clock in the morning....
"We had ridden up," the boy [Stretch] said, "so we thought it would be as easy to ride home again. We walked a long way until we came to a station. We must have walked ten miles. We saw a train moving out, and climbed on it. It was then dark, so we got on the big car because the sides didn't slope. It was so dark at times that we could hardly see. However, we lay flat most of the time, and passed under several bridges and through several tunnels. We were down near New York somewhere, or I thought we were, when the accident happened. Eddie was near the centre of the car and to one side in a kneeling position, and I was standing up just in back of him and had my face to the rear of the train. He said something to me, and just then something struck my cousin and knocked him against me. I was thrown hard on top of the car and rolled over and over until I fell down between the cars. I thought it was all over with me, but I reached out my hand and caught the iron ladder down near the bottom. I was so far down I could almost see under the car. My foot caught in something at the same time. Then I pulled myself up, and climbed on top of the car. Eddie was lying there still, and I thought he was dead. There was a hole in his head, and I took out my handkerchief to stop the blood. I shook him, but he didn't move. Then I felt for his heart and found it was beating, and I knew he was alive. While I was bending over to feel his heart a drop of blood fell on my hand from my head. That was the first I knew I had been hurt myself. I then held on to Eddie till we pulled into the station. A man came along with a lantern and I called to him. Then they got us down and the ambulance came."
Those boys were riding for transportation, not for a stunt or a thrill. I wouldn't connect what they were doing to the "subway surfing" done today, where risking your life is the point.
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Compare the 1904 story with any written today in the exact same newspaper. Where exactly did journalism turn into complete garbage in those 120 years?
A life in transition is a model of the modern family.
Think of it as evolution in action.
Several years ago - a young women tried to jump a moving freight train here in CO. She swung her legs under by accident and the train swiftly removed her legs from her body.
She survived. But - oh. What a terrible decision.
how did people get this stupid, I blame tiktok but still
Yancey Ward said...Where exactly did journalism turn into complete garbage in those 120 years?
Journalism schools. Journalists used to apprentice at small town papers, where they knew the people and the people knew them, before the best moved on to the major dailies. Now, they study the theory of journalism from academics.
Ben Rhodes’ observation about the White House Press Corps knowing literally nothing can be traced directly to journalism schools.
That young man. That Arthur Stretch, later picked up a pen, and changed his name to.......John Steinbeck.
Now you know the rest of the story.
Paul Harvey, good day.
That's how the news report sounded to me. That journalist can really write.
I have done Subway surfing with their classic deli sandwich on Italian herbs and cheese bread, with parmasagne dressing, all the toppings, hold the jalapeños.
there really is no good local paper, perhaps those community bulletins, but whether its Gannett Tribune or McClatchy they are all garbage,
There used to be hanging light cables to warn you of a low bridge coming up, back when walking on top of freight cars was part of the job.
Pete Hegseth recently instructed our generals and admirals to use the 1990 test as a benchmark for military standards.
Perhaps Bari Weiss should tell the CBS news division to apply 1904 standards. That's as good a place to start, as any.
@Yancey Ward: Where exactly did journalism turn into complete garbage in those 120 years?
Low barrier to entry. Almost anyone can write basic English. Since the 1990s and the rise of the Internet, DIY content like The Drudge Report has made a lot of money with no organizational costs. The organizations now compete on price, and hire anyone who will work for scraps and a brand-name on their resume for the next job.
JournoLism.
We used to hop freight trains as boys, I blame Boxcar Willie.
Subway surfing looks like fun, and bullet train surfing filled the final act of Tom Cruise's Mission Impossible. They even flew a helicopter into the Chunnel, so anything seems possible.
Cartoon logic. If anyone has ridden bike/motorcycle and gotten bugs in the teeth, the imagery is surely better than the reality.
their brains don't work, if you spout out the most ridiculous things on cue
On cue, in queue, is a model of JournoListic empathy and ethics, respectively.
From Wikipedia:
"John Steinbeck was born on February 27, 1902, in Salinas, California. He was of German, English, and Irish descent. Johann Adolf Großsteinbeck (1828–1913), Steinbeck's paternal grandfather, was a founder of Mount Hope, a short-lived farming colony in Palestine that disbanded after Arab attackers killed his brother and raped his brother's wife and mother-in-law. He arrived in the United States in 1858, shortening the family name to Steinbeck. The family farm in Heiligenhaus, Mettmann, Germany, is still named Großsteinbeck.
I wouldn't have bothered to comment except for the illustrative story about his Grandfather. The local Arabs have never changed.
As for the subway surfers, two burdens on society have been lifted before they became 4, 6, 8...
Darwin Awards winners...
In Michigan's UP, "hitching" the bumpers of slow moving cars on icy streets was as close as I got to any kind of surfing.
Planned Patronhood (PP) is a teachable moment that will, hopefully, ward off prospective surfers who Choose to transition.
From the article:
"Two teenage girls were discovered dead on top of an incoming J train..."
...
"Officers responding to a 911 call found the girls unconscious..."
"Discovered dead" AND "found unconscious"? Seems to me, it would have to be one or the other.
um yeah, this is not like the other thing
It's more observed and confirmed.
https://johnkassnews.com/behold-the-golden-moutza-of-the-month-october-2025/ they drove off the good reporters
One of our kids came home with his leather jacket scuffed. Turns out his buddy was "hood surfing" (driving around with one or more kids standing on the hood of the car). I asked why HIS jacket was scuffed and he answered he loaned it to his friend for protection.
Teen boys are idiots. They are invulnerable in their own minds. And some even seem to think that like a video game character you can reload lives.
He has since actually become an intelligent adult.
Hopefully, it's not a copycat, who left his female victim unconscious then dead. Another transit tragedy.
I retained a subscription to my hometown's locally owned newspaper for years after I moved away because it had one actual, honest-to-god REPORTER on its staff. Her grammar and spelling weren't always the best, but you could tell that she worked to get the story, whatever it might be, and every now and then, she clearly made local scoundrel politicians very uncomfortable. (It was NJ, after all.) She was a little too good at her job, so the newspaper canned her a few years ago, and I canned the newspaper in response.
In the 90s I remember reading the Herald, and I suspected there was something wrong with it, but Dave Barry and such, then Gene Weingarten went over to the Post and removed all doubt, also Marc Caputo, who was at Politico, comes from there
"Compare the 1904 story with any written today in the exact same newspaper. Where exactly did journalism turn into complete garbage in those 120 years?"
Probably when independent newspapers were bought up by larger entities, making them "product" the purpose of which was to produce profits as the higher purpose, over informing the public. (Not that journalism hasn't always had its' yellow journalism and sensationalism, but there were many and sundry news organs, whereas today the many has shrunk to fewer, and those few are owned by two or three giant corporate "news" entities.)
the Pulitzers the Hearst, were better publishers than the current crew, Chayevsky's imagination was considerable but he couldnt have really groked MSNBC or CNN in their current state,
how about the BBC or Dhimmi broadcasting they are terrible in their own right, as for the Times itself we'll see what they vomit up, don't we
Culling the herd. Benefits all around.
"We had ridden up," the boy [Stretch] said, "so we thought it would be as easy to ride home again.
Even Stobe the Hobo, a really experienced trainer hopper, found out. Come this November he will be dead 8 years,
https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/Hobestobe
Yeah, I was going to comment at the end of the post abouthow beautifully written it was. I love the long quote from the boy. I wondered if the boy was super articulate or if the writer just largely made it up.
Were the teens found dead or found unconscious?
I would guess dead, but I don't edit the Times
(Taranto found out, no one does)
Gosh, what white privilege those young "hobo" workingmen had in 1904.
“She survived. But - oh. What a terrible decision.”
That’s a personal decision one can’t run away from.
…without prosthetic devices of some sort…
Poor girls. However stupid their decision, if it had been a little less serious they might have lived to outgrown their youthful stupidity. Or, if they didn't have that capacity, still someone's daughters are dead.
I’m a believer in the proposition that people have a right to die doing the thing they love best. Coincidentally I’m also a fan of Darwin.
USA definitely needs to import Mumbai train riders for this sport
Television eventually meant that fewer and fewer people were reading newspapers closely. That was still a common habit in the 1960s. It's been in decline ever since. With people not paying attention, journalism went into decline, all the more so since today's reporters have no experience of what newspaper reading and writing used to be.
I well remember this story from when I was young: The Right Arm of Eddie Knowles
"I'm the guy with the plan, 'cuz I'm smarter than you."
"Yeah, well, I'm taller."
I'd say the decline is largely lack of editors insisting on "who what how why" in correct English grammar combined with requiring journalism degrees.
The association of Arthur Stretch and John Steinbeck is subject to controversy. On the one hand ChatGPT says the two are not associated. On the other hand, ChatGPT says there is no Arthur Stretch mentioned in any reputable paper in 1904. Whereas the NYT is reputable ... isn't it? Is there some reason for suppressing the story of Arthur Stretch? was he really Steinbeck in an unknown incident?
"..."2 Girls Found Dead Atop a J Train in Suspected Subway Surfing Accident. The teenagers, found unconscious on the roof ...."
I guess you could say that being dead is a form of unconsciousness..... Maybe death is a small unconsciousness the size of a large unconsciousness.
Hey maybe Bari can put a "Want Ad' in the NYT: Help Wanted, Proofreaders. Excellent starting salary, benefits, with speedy advancement to Editor for the right candidates. Apply Within
i wonder how subway surfing affects reproductive rates?
i COULD see, where Male surfers Might knock up more women (before they die)..
BUT; i'm NOT SURE about the evolutionary advantages for females
Butthole Surfers rule…
The Eddie Knowles story is SOMETHING - although I think it must have been scanned from print or physically retyped as there are some interesting typos.
“Teen boys are idiots. They are invulnerable in their own minds. And some even seem to think that like a video game character you can reload lives.”
Beavis and Butthead is a documentary.
(Shrug)...Let them eat concrete.
Hobo life isn't for everyone.
Femininity is dead and has been for a long time. A casualty of the oxymoronic lesbian matriarchy.
Althouse: "I wondered if the boy was super articulate or if the writer just largely made it up."
I remember even as late as the 70s reporters would nicen up the patois of working-class interviewees. This was not seen as dishonest or unethical as long as they didn't change the facts.
Of course nowadays they just invent "sources who spoke on condition of anonymity," so they can have them speak however posh they want. CC, JSM
These were just kids. it's very tragic.
in 1904...
It is amazing we all survived our youth. This kind of stunt used to be the exclusive province of boys. I recall a friend in high school who lost part of his foot hopping a train. So sad these two young ladies passed.
Earlier this year The New Yorker published a puff piece about their fact-checkers, who were said to move Heaven and Earth to get to the facts.
But in nearly every issue of the magazine, Trump is villainized and "climate change" issaid to be leading to fast rising sea levels and new conditions in CA responsible for wildfires and drought.
So the zeal for "sticking to the facts" is undermined by garden-variety "narratives". Same as it ever was.
"No journalism to be seen here, folks....move along...move along..."
they are more like Michael J Fox in Bright Lights
Okay, someone should say it, "They died doing what they loved."
The only stupid thing they did was not duck for the bridge.
Other than that, you can die or be paralyzed playing football, skiing, surfing, driving a racecar, riding a motorcycle or skydiving,
I do not recall train jumping as a thing in my youth.
Out west, we only had freight trains. all the modern lite-rail stuff was not around back then. We did not have commuter trains.
There was a freight train that came thru on McIntire street - a street I traveled often to get to work. No red-lights flashing/ no safety guard rails that drop prior to the train crossing the intersection. One day I drove over the tracks and looked in the rearview mirror - and the train was there. SHIT.
Just recently, I happened to meet up with some old neighbors from that area and found out that a man who lived a few doors down was struck by the train at that location and he is paralyzed.
(this happened decades ago) I didn't know!
SHIT.
(There are RR crossing safety guard drops there now)
Would someone please explain to me what caused the death of the two girls? I have never lived in a city large enough to have a subway so I do not understand how it could happen. Would it have been the same as the 1904 incident? Thanks in advance.
Thanks, Iman.
Marky got with Sharon
Sharon got Cherese
She was sharing Sharon's outlook
On the topic of disease
Mikey had a facial scar
And Bobby was a racist
They were all in love with dyin'
They were doing it in Texas
Tommy played piano
Like a kid out in the rain
Then he lost his leg in Dallas
He was dancing with a train
They were all in love with dyin'
They were drinking from a fountain
That was pouring like an avalanche
Coming down the mountain
You can get killed walking your doggie. Am I rite, full m00n?
Nice catch, Howard!
When we jumped onto freight trains, it was at a rail yard, with a lot of sidings, designed to shuffle the cars around, therefore the trains were very slow. We would jump off again before they had time to pick up much steam.
We played in the rail yard for lots of reasons, it was just an interesting place for boys to hang out, and once you got on the tracks, Stand by Me style, it was only two or three miles to walk to a creek that was great for swimming and fishing. There was a deep hole under the train bridge where you could jump off it if into the water. Yes, somebody told us a story of a kid who broke his neck doing it, but we figured that the story was made up, since we never heard of the kid, or he must have been really stupid.
"Iman said...
You can get killed walking your doggie. Am I rite, full m00n?"
Duh.Although walking a dog is not exactly as risky as Skiing or surfing, more people have died walking dogs in last ten years than is a hundred years of subway surfing, according to anonymous sources familiar with his thinking.
Knox County woman dies after pack of dogs attack her
Kentucky woman killed by roaming pack of dogs
Palmdale Woman Killed after Being Mauled by Pack of Dogs While on Walk
Palmdale Woman Killed after Being Mauled by Pack of Dogs While on Walk
A 46-year-old woman was killed in February when she was mauled by a pack of dogs at a Tuscaloosa County home.
Oh calm down you guys. This is how evolution works. Trust the science.
"Although walking a dog is not exactly as risky as Skiing or surfing, more people have died walking dogs in last ten years than is a hundred years of subway surfing, according to anonymous sources familiar with his thinking."
Without knowing how many people engaged in each activity, the total number of deaths doesn't tell you much that is useful in evaluating the comparative risks.
Thanks, full m00n. That was a tribute to Al Pacino as Lieutenant Hanna in “Heat”.
"They died doing what they loved." Just like Michael Hutchence...
“Heat”.
One of best gunfights ever...until Prime deleted the weapons
"Without knowing how many people engaged in each activity, the total number of deaths doesn't tell you much that is useful in evaluating the comparative risks."
Not to mention, age, sex, race, faith, martial status, vaccine status, IQ and politics of participants.
"San Leandro woman shot and killed while walking dogs ..".
Double whammy
“One of best gunfights ever...until Prime deleted the weapons”
W.T.F!?!?!?!?!? had no idea they’d done that.
The day of the real-life shootout in L.A. (‘97, I think) that LEOs likened to the movie, I was on the road heading to a biz meeting and listened to the coverage of it on news radio. That was a crazy, hard to believe it really happened day.
“Just like Michael Hutchence...”
And David “Grasshopper” Carradine. Poor bastard.
BTW… a person could get mauled and killed by werewolves in Palmdale. Just sayin’…
I lived through the demise of newspapers at the beginning of this century. It was already going downhill, but the true death was Craigslist, I kid you not. The Classified ads were the actual money maker, are what paid for every school board meeting reporter sitting for hours to the dull goings on, every sports reporter covering the local high school football games, every city council meeting reporter putting in their many hours of time. But once Craigslist came on for free, who needed the Classifieds? They shrunk to a nipple, and newspapers consolidated and thinned out their pages and here we are.
Their hair is perfect....CC, JSM
"Iman said...
“One of best gunfights ever...until Prime deleted the weapons”
W.T.F!?!?!?!?!? had no idea they’d done that."
Just kidding, although Netflix is gonna swap genders of main characters
The day of the real-life shootout in L.A. (‘97, I think)
Video of that gunfight will never be matched by movies. Kinda like real Waco vs Hollywood Waco.
"john mosby said...
Their hair is perfect....CC, JSM"
Coincidentally,
I saw a werewolf drinkin' a piña colada at Trader Vic's
"cf said...
I lived through the demise of newspapers at the beginning of this century. It was already going downhill, but the true death was Craigslist, I kid you not."
Correct. Canceled subscription to San Jose Mercury news, saw more stuff available on CL, and sold a lot of cars and stuff without paying for advertising or going to swap meets and flea markets.
Entire section of want ads shrunk to 2 pages in a year or so.
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