Wrote PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP, at Truth Social.
By "straighten our Hamas," he must have meant "straighten out Hamas."
October 21, 2025
"Numerous of our NOW GREAT ALLIES in the Middle East, and areas surrounding the Middle East, have explicitly and strongly, with great enthusiasm, informed me that they would welcome the opportunity..."
"... at my request, to go into GAZA with a heavy force and 'straighten our Hamas' if Hamas continues to act badly, in violation of their agreement with us. The love and spirit for the Middle East has not been seen like this in a thousand years! It is a beautiful thing to behold! I told these countries, and Israel, 'NOT YET!' There is still hope that Hamas will do what is right. If they do not, an end to Hamas will be FAST, FURIOUS, & BRUTAL! I would like to thank all of those countries that called to help. Also, I would like to thank the great and powerful country of Indonesia, and its wonderful leader, for all of the help they have shown and given to the Middle East, and to the U.S.A. TO EVERYONE, thank you for your attention to this matter!"
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It would be amazing if Trump could convince an Arab coalition of partners too squash Hamas in Gaza. It would make the charges of genocide go away even if they doubled or tripled the rate of slaughter.
However, it's always been demonstrated over and over again that conventional Arab forces couldn't beat themselves out of a wet paper sack. This is still, primarily, because they don't do sergeants nor do they have a lance corporal underground.
Remember Colin Powell's "you break it, you buy it" foreign policy doctrine? The country that initiates a conflict is responsible for its aftermath and the cost of rebuilding. In this case, whoever that is it's not the USA.
Can they make Hamas straight? I didn't know they were gay. How manly.
Indonesia probably has more skin because China threat than Gulf actors
Oh, don't correct the president's Freudiann slips, annie. He said what he said!
the misspellings confuse the AI…
However, it's always been demonstrated over and over again that conventional Arab forces couldn't beat themselves out of a wet paper sack.
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Oh howard... we gave the IDF billions and billions in the latest weapons, and two years time. America STILL had to come in and rescue what remained of the captive Israelis because the IDF was too cowardly to go after Hamas underground, and chose to employ tricks and scorched earth bombing of civilians and children. Don't beat your chest too hard, fellas.
That never was a fair fight.
Nobody but Israelis and white liberal former Cohen women like ann cheer the deaths of innocent women and children. I'm glad they stuck her father in an office making coffee and chatting up the office women. Imagine what he morally would have done had they put a gun in his hands on a battlefield. No concept at all of how fighting works, or why fighters don't kill the women/kids. Same reason we limit the doe tags during hunting season...
What Howard said. These multi-national mercenary* forces--even if by some miracle they deploy--are crap.
*Don't think their own governments can pay for them.
One of the amusing things about Trump is trying to determine if his typos are actually typos.
I don’t think Israel has ever backed away from its two goals - get back the hostages and destroy Hamas. Seems that Trump thinks that Hamas can be reformed. Give them jobs as card dealers at the new Trump casino and they will no longer live to destroy Israel and will put down their weapons voluntarily. Sure thing
Our Hamas is more accurate. We negotiated with terrorists.
he's bullshitting of course
Give 'em a record deal.
PWA, Straight Outta Gaza
A sarcastic soliloquy.
Ode to a Hamasidol of Nanking progression.
We are not sending troops into Gaza. The bluster is all about stopping Arab countries from sending arms and money to Hamas.
Most Arab countries would be happy if Hamas disappeared but they have jihadists in their country who want them to support the destruction of Israeli.
This will be mostly a political rather than military battle.
Part of the peace deal is the dehamasification of Gaza. There are certainly many Arab countries with little love for Hamas and would be happy to straighten them out. What we have seen since the ceasefire is Hamas killing Palestinians that might go along with the dehamasification. I think it is only a matter of time, but Trump, I think, wants people to absorb then horror of what Hamas is doing to Palestinians. That absorption will take awhile and a lot of deaths.
There are certainly many Arab countries with little love for Hamas and would be happy to straighten them out.
The first part of this, for sure. Not so sure about the second part. But...
... I'd like to indulge in just a moment of cloud-cuckoo-land here: wouldn't it be wonderful if we really could count so much of the Middle East as real allies? If they are least accepted some westernization and accepted, too, the existence of Israel in "their" world? I mean, wasn't this kind of where the Abraham Accords were headed (yes, I know they were about isolating Iran)?
One thing we are pretty sure of. President trump writes his own social media copy and the previous cabbage head did not.
it is akshually Bibi's Hamas and by extension possibly CIA/ours?
Before the election, MAGA said their top priorities were releasing the Epstein files and getting the US out of foreign entanglements. Today, they say their priorities are hiding the Epstein files and using the military to sink Venezuelan boats that might be running drugs to Africa.
Indonesia!? They have a lot of experience putting down insurgents. Not a lot of urban combat, but they would probably consider a city to be a turkey shoot compared to jungle warfare. And like the Arab countries, they have the advantage of being Muslims killing Muslims. CC, JSM
One has to admire his patience in seeing the deal through.
Kopassus are very good their special forces
something has to replace the grift of UN Relief money laundry?!
Remember Colin Powell's "you break it, you buy it" foreign policy doctrine?
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was what made me conclude what a fool he was!
Yes saddam had looted everything that wasnt nailed down
I don’t think Israel has ever backed away from its two goals - get back the hostages and destroy Hamas. Seems that Trump thinks that Hamas can be reformed.
That is the goal of the agreement that Hamas signed. They just didn't think they would be HELD to their word, since it is an islamic custom to lie about peace and ceasefires as a "pause" before fighting resumes. But Trump did the hard work of obtaining buy in and signed agreements from the very people who used to ignore Hamas or finance them. Once the living hostages were gone Hamas had no more leverage with Israel or the West, other than their terror and intimidation of actual gazans, which they have demonstrated already.
This ain't the "Carter Peace Deal" or the "Clinton Peace Deal" or the "we'll support Iran" Obama Deal. This is new. Trump has supplied all the incentives for Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Dubai and Egypt to adhere to the deal and help remove Hamas from leadership while disarming them.
Allowing Hamas the room to fuck up and resist is part of the plan. This deal has been in the works since the Abraham Accords were launched in Trump 1.0. Replacing war and terrorism with trade and development is a new path that only Trump could have put us onto and no other president or State Dept. would have ever thought of it.
In 2009 obama stopped netanyahu same in 2014 technically though hillary then in 2021 but that was a west bank op
"I mean, wasn't this kind of where the Abraham Accords were headed (yes, I know they were about isolating Iran)?"
That was the proximate cause for AA, but keeping China out of the ME was a large part of AA. Neutering Iran (China's entry point to the greater ME via it's Belt and Road) is part of a long term goal for Trump. Note that several ME countries were on the verge of signing an agreement to start their own BR to flow trade between India and other SE Asian countries to Europe and back. It was set to be signed less than a month after Oct 7. I don't think Hamas' attack date was coincidence. Also, a port on the Palestinian controlled by Israel fits neatly into the AA proposed B&R.
There are a lot of moving parts to Trump's strategy in the ME. Blocking China is one of them. A big one of them. As an aside I've often wondered why Trump put an ISIS leader in charge of Syria and dropped tariffs. Just guessing that keeping Russia out is part of the deal on that.
So the Arab countries want to sent troops to Gaza to help Israel? Yeah, no doubt the leaders do. The average Arab not so much. Thank God Trump isn't suggesting American GI's go to Gaza. If he does, that's the end of MAGA.
Reagan got 260 US Marines killed in lebanon. Lets not do that again.
I think TRump is playing a smart game with Putin and Zelensky. But the middle east is a mess. Americans would love a USA president that stood up to Israel, instead of going to Israel to kiss their ass and put on a Yamaka and wail at the wailing wall.
Given all the billions we give them, Netenyahu should be coming to the USA, and going to a Christian service at the national cathederal. but you can't bribe a jew to humilate himself before American Gentiles.
But American Gentiles cant wait to get on their knees for some $$. We're lucky Saudi Arabia isn't giving them lots of money too, otherwise they'd be stopping off at Riyah and going to Mosque for prayers.
So the Arab countries want to sent troops to Gaza to help Israel?
Nope...they want to send troops so that Hamas will not infect their own countries. Self preservation. Eliminate the cockroaches in the apartment(s) next to your. Preventative action.
I’m not holding my breath and I doubt Trump is either. Muslim countries are unreliable peace partners and practitioners of taqiyya. It will be interesting to see.
I, for one, prefer our Hamas straightened. Preferably exhibiting rigor mortis, too.
Reagan had bigger fish to fry than Lebanon, and the fall of the Soviet Union demonstrates Reagan was right in his priorities. Today Hamas can be destroyed without Iran, their puppetmaster, being able to do anything about it.
“I think TRump is playing a smart game with Putin and Zelensky.”
Zelensky has taken the measure of Trump; Putin has not. Ukraine (and Europe) are going to keep going. Trump is unlikely to be able to deliver for Putin. It's hard to see a winning hand for Putin in the future. Trump may find himself standing in the same manure pile as Putin.
Trump and the Americans are going to stay erratic. Putin is going to remain bogged down in quagmire. The Gaza ceasefire is likely to unravel any day. All the talk about dawns of peace will turn to urk.
If Trump leaves Budapest without a ceasefire on the current line of contact, he is going to be traveling home with a lot of unintended consequences that will bog him down.
That's the thing about all these marvelous Trump peace deals — there's nothing ever there the day after.
When doubting the ability of the Muslim armies to take control of the Gaza strip you have to consider the size of the place.
It's 141 sq. miles. Total.
For comparison, Madison is 101 sq. miles.
Dane county is 1,238 sq. miles.
They could easily blanket the area with troops.
"Zelensky has taken the measure of Trump; Putin has not. Ukraine (and Europe) are going to keep going"
And if there's no peace deal, then the Russians will keep going. All the way to Kiev. Ukraine is running out saps who will fight and die for Zelensky ( a man with 3 passports) and globalists like Miss Lindsey who just want to "kill Ruskies"
Trump has reduced tensions with Russia and we don't have to worry about WW III anymore. Militarily it impossible to find a way for Ukraine to recover the land its lost. And difficult to see how the AFU is going to stop Russia from breaking through the current fortified urban belt, taking the rest of Donetsk and Lughansk (sic) and then rolling accross the open farmland all the way to the Dnieper.
I don't see urkraine getting any stronger. Drones are great, but you need men.
Replacing
war and terrorism = zero sum grifting
with trade and development = win-win scenario
Putin directs missiles into apartment buildings and has started an unprovoked invasion.
Why would a leader of a democracy support such a dictator?
Putin has fewer cards in his hand than Trump supposes. One of those cards is Trump.
No Plans for Second Trump-Putin Summit Soon as Preparation Stalls ~WSJ
Lavrov misspeaks: there were no understandings reached in Alaska. The whole trip was a nothing burger.
A ceasefire will occur when the Ukrainians up the costs on Russia through augmented support for greater striking power that imposes real costs. Two American presidents have failed to step up to this challenge since the summer of 2022 with both failures attributable to the profound inadequacies of both presidents. Soo much talk, so little decision.
I can't say what will happen but we're in a new place. The US and Israel knocked off the Iranian nuclear program; Israel got Hezbollah and the Houthis; the Syrian dictator is gone; 20,000 trained Hamas soldiers are gone replaced by eager torturers and teen-agers. Meanwhile other countries have built in the desert cities with incredible architecture. The citizens of other countries are not hovel-people, not tunnel-dwellers and they don't want to be like the Gazans. And they know something of how modern economic growth happens.
And I have never been able to make myself believe that the Gazans think it's OK for Hamas to steal food aid and use them as human shields. I can believe Gazans hide their thinking but not that they don't think. They've been bombed back to the stones of the desert, if not the stone age. I can't believe they sit in the rubble, thinking: "I love it when a plan comes together."
So, a change will happen. That's for sure. Those who say it's all going to go on as before (which includes Hamas without a doubt) are wrong. But who has a plan for a new future except Trump and the Arab countries of in the Midlde East and Israel?
The current line of contact seems both plausible and realistic. If so, can Trump actually achieve it? If he can't achieve the achievable, then just what good is he as a dealmaker?
Putin's goals are beyond his capabilities to achieve; he has to give way and accept the existing status quo. Will he? The West is obviously divided; there are plenty of reasons for Putin to stonewall. Russia retains of course the great strategic advantage of total indifference to its own casualty levels.
Trump, based on last Friday's meeting, seems to think the "deal" involves Ukraine giving way on territory so Putin can achieve his goals and have his "win." Trump sees his mission as delivering to Putin the necessary Ukrainian concessions. This appears to be a fundamental misreading of the situation. Has Witkoff misread the situation? Does Putin have something on Trump? Is Trump just stupid or is he Putin's dupe?
Whatever lines are agreed to, Putin knows once the war 'stops', Ukraine will be flooded with investment, and European security forces, freeing up Ukrainian manpower. There will be a mass effort to rebuild Ukraine and make it better than it's ever been, because they've sacrificed so much. Putin will hate this. I'm not sure peace will work for him.
@wildswan is smart.
Some gazans have learned the curse that hamas brought on
"A ceasefire will occur when the Ukrainians up the costs on Russia through augmented support for greater striking power that imposes real costs."
Trump will never do this, because he has zero desire to get into WW III with Russia over the Donbass. Even the crazed warhawks in London, Paris, and Berlin know that giving Ukraine Long range missiles to destroy targets deep in Russia, is a receipe for dangerous escalation and war.
"Why would a leader of a democracy support such a dictator?"
Russia has elections. And a parliment. Its a democracy too. Oh wait, you're using that special, personal, definition of democracy. No doubt you blather about Trump being a "Threat to Democracy". So, yeah you go with that.
Does anyone think you could "straighten out" Jeffrey Dahmer or John Wayne Gacy, and get them to just give up killing. That's what we are dealing with here, psychopaths, profoundly genocidal psychopaths.
Trump has no choice in ether Ukraine or Gaza. He can't afford to be bluffing. He will win, because everyone knows he has the cards to do what he threatens to do. It's those on the other side who have everything to lose and no chance at winning. Trump raises.
Howard said...
"It would be amazing if Trump could convince an Arab coalition of partners too squash Hamas in Gaza. "
He did. They are. The peace keeping forces from Kuwait or Egypt or the UAE are going to be much more brutal than the IDF. Trump has made peace in Gaza and Arab problem.
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