Bush: "And the guy just gives the hook and off he goes?" Here's an old clip of Buster Keaton getting the hook literally (in a vaudeville setting).
Well, the priest is looking at who puts what into the collection tray. You have to be cognizant of that. I’m not saying they all do, but you have to be cognizant of who’s funding your church. And I’m guessing the Kennedys might be pretty good to the church.
Cheryl Hines:
It was a crazy moment because I think the people in the back of the church did not know what was going on in the front. That was happening in the front row. But all of a sudden they see Bobby giving a beautiful speech... and he really took time to write this beautiful eulogy, and all they see is the priest telling him to leave. And Bobby, to his credit, he gracefully left and sat down, and I was so mad. I was so mad at the brother for being disrespectful, at the priest for being disrespectful. I was mad that suddenly it wasn’t about Ethel. We were there to mourn Ethel and to celebrate her life.... Oh, she would have been mad.... And then later the priest apologized and said, “I couldn’t hear what you were saying.” Told that to Bobby. “I just saw somebody having this reaction, so I thought you must have been saying something that was sparking a reaction.”
I saw this exchange on TikTok yesterday and sent it to a couple people, but then this morning, I thought this must be AI. It's too weird. It happened a year ago and it wasn't in the news. Wouldn't this have made the news if it happened? Well, I'm pretty sure now this is real. It's coming out — after a year of silence — because Hines has chosen to tell the story in her book. The big question is why was this news suppressed? It was a private family service at the Kennedy Compound. An unfortunate family squabble. Draw the curtain and be respectful... at least until somebody wants to use the anecdote in her memoir.
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Family secrets are the secretist secrets of all.
I'm still holding on to mine.
Apparently it's not as easy to be a Kennedy as it seems to be to those who are in thrall to the Kennedys.
What has happened to decorum?
Do you want to know the difference between the shanty Irish and the lace curtain Irish? The lace curtain Irish move the dishes when they piss in the sink.
Assuming it happened, it was suppressed precisely because it makes Democrats look bad.
All negative Kennedy news was suppressed...until RFK Jr. aligned himself with Trump.
Joe for Oil is a douchebag among douchebags in that family…and it must be hard for the priests to know which Kennedy gets the most ass kissing. Ted somehow married in the catholic church twice. Wonder how much that costs?
Ethel Kennedy died in October of last year- so the funeral was after RFK had endorsed Trump.
"Mom always liked you best!"
I'm sure stuff like this happened within families during the lead up to the Civil War. Just hard to take when you realize it's over the absolute moral urgency of electing Kamala Harris, so that the policies of that complete idiot Joe Biden may continue unobstructed. Anyone opposed to that is deploreable, beyond redemption, should never darken the door of our church again.
Curtains on the windows but no sheets on the beds.
Jackie wanted to keep her kids away from Bobby and Ethel's wild, undisciplined brood. It sort of worked for John Jr. Didn't do much for Caroline, though she'll probably become an ambassadress again if the Democrats win back the White House.
Did Hines really make this public just to sell the book? It sounds like she had plenty of reason to get back at Joe III and the rest of the family. Civility, decency, maturity would urge keeping the story private, but if those were the governing values in that family and its environment would the incident have happened?
She needs to learn how to get to the point.
So the Priest also interrupted RFK jr?
Leftism is a cult.
Is everyone on the left a creepy form of Greta Thorngoblin?
I’m glad Cheryl Hines is doing this. Larry David, her former boss wrote a vicious piece about Trump - in my opinion, to put pressure on the Hines/Kennedy marriage. I’m glad it didn’t work.
I wish I could think of some mechanism that would defuse the political animosity that continues to grow in this country.
I am guessing Hines decided to open up about it because the family has continued to attack her husband publicly and almost certainly privately- you eventually return fire even if you probably shouldn't.
This time I am genuinely puzzled at Althouse's wording:
I have to suspect him of seeking similar attention when he tries...
Bush did not seek that attention. I don't know the provenance of the recording (we had no video of it) but I recall that at the time it was secretly recorded (unlike Jay Jones' texts) Billy was a very junior NBC talent in comparison to Mr. #1 Show Trump at the network and he showed the normal show business deference to Trump, laughing at his "wit" etc. He shmoozed. That's what they do.
I don't recall Bush "seeking attention" in that episode and in fact he truly regretted his passivity after the tape came out and he got shit for laughing at the comment highlighted above. A comment that is so often taken out of context by our LIV fellow commenters.
When I have time I'll see if the host addressed that already or not.
"Well, the priest is looking at who puts what into the collection tray. You have to be cognizant of that." .... she has no idea what she is talking about.
Valentine Smith said...
Do you want to know the difference between the shanty Irish and the lace curtain Irish? The lace curtain Irish move the dishes when they piss in the sink.
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The Kennedys are American, not Irish.
From Joe da bootlegger having an affair w/Gloria Swanson on down, this is American behavior, not Irish. East-Coast Americans, to be precise...
They played at being Irish Catholics, but look at their track record. Pure American Catholics, with all the indulgence and annulments, drugs and deaths. That's not Irish. That's East Coast wealthy American, god love em. Joe Biden is not Irish either, hth. He's a Delaware boy, born n bred with all their fine ethics... Ann's daddy too? lol
Cheryl's face says it all:
Gemini AI Says: "Catherine Deneuve is famously quoted as saying, "At a certain age, you have to choose between your face and your ass". The saying implies that as women age, they must decide whether to prioritize maintaining a slim figure (and a more prominent posterior) or a fuller face, suggesting that one's body shape and face will change as a result of weight management choices. "
Larry David is a self-loathing fake Jew. Probably decorates with Hamas figurines and candles.
rrsafety said...
"Well, the priest is looking at who puts what into the collection tray. You have to be cognizant of that." .... she has no idea what she is talking about.
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Billy Bush said that.
Not hines.
Peachy is a self loathing antisemite. Probably decorates with Hummel figurines and lace table linens.
(ann gets too clever for her own good and it messes up the read. She could have stuck the buster keaton clip in a footnote for all of you who don't know the etymology of "getting the hook"... )
Oh dear.
hummell figurines are signs of anti-semitism now?
I didn't realize the jews were getting so desperate...
Peachy+2 said...
"Larry David is a self-loathing fake Jew. Probably decorates with Hamas figurines and candles."
Well, there was that episode where he fell in love with "Palestinian chicken" and banged the anti-semite waitress.
When they say the Irish love brawling so much they’ll do it at their mother’s funeral, they apparently weren’t kidding.
Jaysus, Mary and Joseph!
You’d think he’d have to be giving deadly quack medical advice for an openly fascist regime, to be treated like that!
The nerve of some folk.
Civility Horseshit?
It was the practice at weinstein studios nbc
What exchange? Is there a link missing?
Also cbs news and billy volunteered a name
"This time I am genuinely puzzled at Althouse's wording: 'I have to suspect him of seeking similar attention when he tries...' Bush did not seek that attention...."
Let me stop you right there. I did NOT say that he was "seeking... attention" when he engaged Trump in that "pussy" conversation. But he absolutely GOT attention for it.
Now he has a podcast. NOW he is "seeking... attention" and having experienced extreme attention over a conversation that riveted focus on a female body part, I SUSPECT him of consciously using the same focus of attention that happened to be effective that other time. So it's a "similar attention" he may be hoping to get: If I can get Cheryl to talk about her body, then the world will be talking about Billy Bush again.
I don't know what he was thinking either time. But my suspicion related to this recent bizarre locution: "Talk about the physiological response in your body when this was happening."
Who talks like that and why?!
Officially, eulogies are not allowed at a Catholic funeral mass. (The rule is often elided by using a fudge called "words of remembrance".) And, contrary to what Cheryl Hines said, the funeral mass was not supposed to be "about Ethel". Assuming that it actually happened as described, it sounds to me as if RFK Jr. may have chosen to give a eulogy after being told it was not allowed. In which case, the priest telling him to stop was entirely appropriate.
The priest should not have allowed a eulogy in the first place. The purpose of a Catholic funeral is to pray for the repose of the deceased person's soul - not to celebrate her life. The proper place for the eulogy is at the wake. I guess the priest couldn't say "no" to the Kennedys.
Its apparently standard practice at stop oil the ipcc et al
The relentless march of emotionalism in the guise of news reporting is the hallmark of our age. Why did Joe get upset, and why did the priest stop the eulogy? Questions that remain unanswered as the reader is invited to bathe in all the emotional reactions to past events. React by all means, but don't you dare understand.
You’d think he’d have to be giving deadly quack medical advice for an openly fascist regime, to be treated like that!.
Yeah, you'd have to be Fauci giving medical advice under the nominal Biden regime.
Do you want to know the difference between the shanty Irish and the lace curtain Irish? The lace curtain Irish move the dishes when they piss in the sink.
Dignam: Your fuckin' family's dug into the Southie projects like ticks. Three-decker men at best. You, however, grew up on the North Shore, huh? Well, la-di-fuckin'-da. You were kind of a double kid, I bet, right? Huh? One kid with your old man, one kid with your mother. You're upper-middle class during the weeks, then you're droppin' your "R"s and you're hangin' in the big, bad Southie projects with your daddy, the fuckin' donkey on the weekends. I got that right?
Costigan: [no response]
Dignam: Yup. You have different accents? You did, didn't you? You little fuckin' snake. You were like different people.
Costigan: You a psychiatrist?
Dignam: Well, if I was I'd ask you why you're a Statie making 30 grand a year. And I think if I was Sigmund fuckin' Freud I wouldn't get an answer. So tell me, what's a lace-curtain motherfucker like you doing in the Staties?
Costigan: Families are always rising or falling in America, am I right?
Queenan: Who said that?
Costigan: Hawthorne.
Dignam: What's the matter, smartass, you don't know any fuckin' Shakespeare?
Added: there was a remembrance service a few days later with eulogies, which tends to support the notion that RFK Jr. was speaking without authorization. This may seem odd to none Catholics but going into the sanctuary and speaking without permission is absolutely not allowed in a Catholic church.
Well THAT explained it. I did misread the emphasis. Thank you for taking the time to show your thoughts.
I've never been to a Catholic funeral where there was not a eulogy/words of rememberance.
When my mother died 19 years ago, my two older sisters were supposed to go to the pulpit to make some appropriate remarks. When neither arose after being called upon, I could see they were too broken up to do so. So I got up and winged 5 minutes. Turned out fine.
I started it like I started every public speaking episode "A wise judge told me once when you have to give a talk, be brief, be sincere and be seated".
The headlines says "giving the eulogy" and adds "at the funeral" in the next line. How does this further "the notion that RFK Jr. was speaking without authorization," Michel?
And I could swear I remember reading about this episode of RFK being dissed at this funeral shortly after it happened. Right?
Its a rather classless exercise
I looked up Cheryl Hines upbringing - raised Roman Catholic. Married RFKjr (also raised RC) in a ceremony presided by a Reconstructionist (no rules) rabbi. - Nothing to do with anything - I just thought it was interesting.
Who talks like that and why?!
So far that is unanswerable. It is strangely repetitive way to word a question and a bizarre question in itself.
"How did you feel?" -- normal question.
Then he adds "physiologically," which is where it gets weird. Feelings are usually emotional responses, but he wants to know what her body was feeling apparently. In case she still might answer about her emotions he follows that up with "in your body."
No one talks like that IRL. Nothing after "How did you feel?" makes sense to me.
Michael: get over yourself. Not every priest is as you describe.
Bobby got up to the lectern and started to speak. If he wasn’t even supposed to be there why the hell didn’t that priest stop him before he uttered a word? And then, just because Joewent beserk doesn’t mean everything should stop.
And tell me the priest was lying when he said he couldn’t hear what Bobby was saying? That was a big, fat cover my ass kind of lie. If the freaking priest can’t hear how the hell does he run a service-any kind of service?
Assuming it happened, it was suppressed precisely because it makes Democrats look bad.
As always. Notice how the NY Times, Washington Post, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC and CNN are completely devoid of news about the "Arctic Frost" scandal that broke yesterday, which looks like the closest this country has ever come to having its own Stasi secret police supporting a one-party dictatorship.
However much you hate the news media scum and the Democrat Party, if I may be redundant, it's not enough. Putin and Xi and Maduro and all the Muslim terrorists who ever lived, put together, are less of a threat to America.
Authoritarianism is how people come to support authoritarians, but on the other side. What the Left has done to this country is so evil and dangerous that almost anything Trump does to destroy them is becoming acceptable, or at least forgivable.
I am not yet at the point of wanting him to drop Jack Smith or Judge Boasberg out of a helicopter over the open ocean like Pinochet, but let's see where the coming investigation leads.
Mike (MJB Wolf), a lot will depend on context, and is all speculative in any case. I put a lot of emphasis on the priest telling him to leave as proof it wasn’t authorized. That said, it is possible that the priest decided, seeing disunity in the family, to stop a eulogy he had previously allowed on pastoral grounds.
Wilbur said...
I've never been to a Catholic funeral where there was not a eulogy/words of rememberance.
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AFTER the Mass... not during.
The priest delivers the homily. It's not eulogy time then.
The big story here is that this was never a big story. Billy Bush was a Bush so all he had to do was listen passively to some crude remarks to get fired. The senior Bush pinched a few fannies as he slumped into his nineties and it was a much bigger story than that poor girl whose throat got cut.......It's not the stories they tell about the Kennedy family that count. It's the stories that never get told. There must be dozens or maybe even hundreds or possibly thousands of women who have stories to tell, and they'll never get told.
Just like you're not supposed to pick "pop" songs for wedding or funerals. Some lax churches might permit it, but it's not the Catholic way...
There must be dozens or maybe even hundreds or possibly thousands of women who have stories to tell, and they'll never get told.
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They're told. People just don't care to listen...
You all know about RFK's wife's suicide, right? The real wife. And what happened after?
How about Mimi Alford's book? The boomers want their myths, so they pretend not to know, that the ladies are being silenced. Nope. We all know. Just like we all know about Michael Jackson...
Some people choose to look away, and keep their myths intact though. Shame.
. That said, it is possible that the priest decided, seeing disunity in the family, to stop a eulogy he had previously allowed on pastoral grounds.
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Doubtful.
Cheryl isn't telling us why Joe objected either. It was a Mass, right? He might have written the most beautiful thing, but it was not the time nor place. The family objected, the priest intervened. Nothing about billy bush's snide remark about the collection plate holds true. Bobby is a Kennedy too. He's ridden the name and put his coins in the plate too, no doubt, for the forgiveness of sins... All those dead Kennedy's from drug use/accidents on him, they say, as he pushed/introduced the younger ones to drugs back in the day...
Even worse the usual deep state hacks are minimizing the investigation into charlie kirks assasination as if it was just a one off
If he wasn’t even supposed to be there why the hell didn’t that priest stop him before he uttered a word?
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Because he's a priest, not a bouncer.
If there were no objections, he likely would have given grace and let it happen...
Cheryl is a used piece. We all know about Bobby and Olivia Nuzzi right? That wasn't so long ago. But... "we all sin". That one was so fresh thought. She knows who she is bedding down with.
though, not thought...
The proper place for the eulogy is at the wake.
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or AFTER the Mass from the altar even, if there is no wake. hth
Imagine if we just bullshit speculated about faith traditions of the Jews, say. Nobody would spitball and make up shit like that.
Everybody buy the book though.
Ann has grandchildren and Christmas is coming...
Now we get to the big story. I was wondering why Hines was doing these interviews and why she wrote the book.
“Olivia Nuzzi is writing a memoir tentatively titled American Canto, set for release in late 2025 or early 2026 via Simon & Schuster (a pre-existing deal). The book will address her affair with RFK Jr. as part of a broader recounting of her decade covering Trumpworld, MAGA politics, and personal scandals—including her fallout with Lizza and career fallout from the affair.”
And now we have the rest of the story
Olivia not being the most reliable interlocutor
This is why Lyn Nofziger, one of Reagan’s campaign managers said of Reagan: “He’s the only politician I know - when he goes to bed, he stays in bed.”
"Talk about the physiological response in your body when this was happening."
A set-up for "I was sick to my stomach"
Cheryl not the most articulate. Not dumb, just not like others who can talk about nothing on and on. Like talk show hosts and politicians.
The Kennedy family sure seems like a dysfunctional bunch. Who knew? Heh.
There are some reporters 'who will do anything (or anyone) for a story
I've never been to a Catholic funeral where there was not a eulogy/words of rememberance
Me either. Sometimes father does it…
I agree with Yancy. Hines owes the Kennedy family no kindness. I (non Catholic) have been to a couple of Catholic Funerals where a "eulogy" by family or friends was incorporated into the mass.
Billy Bush and Trump were having a private conversation and to my memory were talking about sexual behaviors in the entertainment industry...sordid behaviors which were all too common. Trump was just stating his observations as a famous man in Hollywood.
Isnt it funny how lauer moonves and rose became unpersona
My husband gave HIS Mom's Eulogy...in her Catholic church.
Bush may have been trying to spice up the interview or he may have used a big word to overcompensate for the fact that he comes across as kind of a dummy.
Tea bitch thinks the forced Soviet covid jabs worked.
Not the smartest knife but not a devious weasel like neil who sold us on the constructivist standardized tests
Btw- the Covid vax is not a vaccine at all . It’s a therapy… and one that is dandgerous for some./many.
I know more dedicated dems who get endless jabs and have had covid over and over. And over.
And over.
“Forced Soviet Jabs” is both hilarious and marks its user as a willfully ignorant rube. Perfect target for MAGAt agitprop.
Forced Soviet Jabs might also tv announcer commentary on an Olympic boxing match in the 1970s.involving The Soviet Union athlete launching ineffective punches on his opponent.
It didnt do what it promised prevent transmission
And its side effects were underplayed
The kennedy family proves they are very much in the mould of their scoundrel grandfather and the soviet tool youngest offspring
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