From "Autism, A.D.H.D., Anxiety: Can a Diagnosis Make You Better? As our diagnostic categories expand to include ever milder versions of disease, researchers propose that the act of naming a malady can itself bring relief" (NYT).
"A few years ago, critics began to say that this trend had overshot and was beginning to do real harm. Some say that enlargement of the tent has come at a cost to the most severely ill people, who have lost the attention of the medical establishment. Others say it’s not helping people with milder illnesses, either, especially if they are young. Diagnosis, they say, can set in motion a self-fulfilling prophecy.... Researchers, digging into the downstream effects of diagnoses, are beginning to see this effect play out over the long term. Diagnoses do lock you in...."
Not mentioned in the article: transgenderism.
55 comments:
I recommend this book to parents dealing with children being diagnosed with ADHD.
It's easier to tag kids as ADHD rather than admit that school is focking boring.
Everybody's sick
Everybody's a victim
Also not mentioned: TDS.
Michael: "It's easier to tag kids as ADHD rather than admit that school is focking boring."
Yep, or that natural kid behavior is at least mild ADHD. The lefty establishment's biggest heroes, Children's Television Workshop, figured out that kids need constant change of material to learn: hence Sesame Street. Yet over the years Sesame has been on the air, schools went from outdoor recess and lunch, and art and music in the classroom, to closed campus, sit down, shut the hell up and do the worksheet.
Last night on Gutfeld, Tom Shillue said schools should invert the model: have an hour recess, then 20 minutes of instruction, then another hour recess, repeat, just to burn off that energy so kids can focus for a little while. CC, JSM
I have lived a life of almost no consequence whatsoever and can state with near certainty that I have never begun to see an effect play out over the long term after digging into something's downstream effect.
John Mosby said: ...schools should invert the model: have an hour recess, then 20 minutes of instruction
We talked about what a single sex boys school would look like. All agreed that the first two hours would be gym with competitive sport.
"Autism" began to be diagnosed only in about 1980, with publication of DSM-3. Back in the mid-'50s in school it was "This Bart kid is weird." But not in any insulting way. They also figured out quickly that "Bored Bart is a very creative troublemaker."
They adapted well and had me teaching the "slow" kids, or sent me up two grade levels for science, only to discover that I wasn't shy to tell the teacher when she was wrong.
At recess they didn't care whether I played sports with the boys, games with the girls -- I invented "domino hopscotch" for them and they loved it -- or lay down alone in some sunny grass. They *knew* here that 5-ft milk snake in my best friend's desk came from, and had e bring it up front for 5 min impromtu teaching about it, after which half the girls and all the boys wanted to handle it.
Never once punished for such behavior. And nobody even though that I needed "medication".
But most of the teachers had been born between 1915 and 1930, which made a huge (and highly positive) difference in my life.
It was us Boomers who decided to medicate kids out of being kids, just as they self-medicated their parenting years with valium, weed, and booze.
"It's easier to tag kids as ADHD rather than admit that school is focking boring."
For some kids, I suppose.
Transgender is a spectrum disorder that includes homosexuals, bisexuals, and simulants.
Freddie deBoer is great on how "being on the spectrum" has become a trendy way of making oneself special rather than dealing with the actual disability that a mental condition can be. https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/the-gentrification-of-disability
a trendy way of making oneself special rather than dealing with the actual disability that a mental condition can be.
You said a mouthful!
I see diagnosis (of anything) as a two-edged sword. One blade provides, potentially, emotional relief, treatment, and liberation from the limitations of whatever the condition is. The other gives you an "identity," medicates you permanently, and potentially removes motivation to cope with who and what you are in the real world. I have a dear young relative with anxiety who, I think, will be on anti-anxiety meds for the rest of his life; I've known him since he was born and he was always anxious, but also found many ways to cope with his anxiety. It wasn't until college, when he discovered alcohol, that he started self-medicating, it got out of control, he had to go through rehab, and now takes a drug (a couple of them, I think - I'm not sure) to do what, first, he himself and then alcohol did to moderate his anxiety. Is this a net gain? The side effects trouble me.
But go one level down - one level deeper - from “neurodiversity” and answer the question: are you in a different category than everybody else, or are you in the same category as everybody else, neurodiversity not withstanding? (after all, everybody has something challenging to deal with.) I think the only positive and self-helpful answer is to tell yourself that you’re in the same category as everybody else. The idea that you’re in a different category than everybody or than “most people” can, and probably usually does, lead to really bad outcomes such as self-pity and feelings of needing special treatment or entitlement. Those particular states of mind are good ways to voluntarily give up your true independence and your moral agency.
I suspect that “transgenderism” was omitted because the authors feared for their lives, as well as their careers.
Autism has nothing to do with anxiety. Other than the anxiety it gives the parent.
Not mentioned in the article: transgenderism.
When my daughter was 11, every one of her friends was some kind of nonbinary (she called herself “omnisexual” so she wouldn’t feel left out). Five years later, all but one is a perfectly normal heterosexual teenager. That one also has an autism diagnosis (I think she’s just high-strung, but, whatever, she has additional struggles compared to her friends and her parents take comfort in the label).
But also…more than half the students in her class have a diagnosed disability. Again, they are all perfectly normal perfectly healthy kids, but the diagnosis gets them special privileges—equipment, tutoring, extra time on tests. Being diagnosed with a learning disability doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with them, it just means their parents were willing to spend enough time and money on testing to find something diagnosable (there’s always something if you’re willing to spend enough time and money to find it).
The Autism Spectrum is abused - I think. Stick everyone on it.
I've mentioned before that my nephew - who will be 21 in a few months -is severely autistic. He is 21 going on 6.
Next year he will be 22 going on 6.
He is 6'5" tall. He is non-verbal, has a laundry list of bad behaviors, and is a constant struggle and in need of 24/7 care.
Did they leave out fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, Morgellion:s disease, Guillaume Barre,POTS, hypermobility spectrum disorder? There's a code for everything! And hopefully a cool drug.
Want to piss someone off? Tell him they don't really have their disease.
So many are taught to abuse the disease-victim spectrum (including the leftist they-them gender BS- social contagion)
REAL people who really have a developmental disease - are ignored.
Also not mentioned in the article: frank faddism, of which this subject is rife.
Every other fatty has "binge eating disorder." How convenient. Every other schoolboy has ADHD. Make that every other normal schoolboy. Every other Vietnam vet (a cohort I belong to) has PTSD. I have a VN vet friend who "has" PTSD. He was a clerk at MACV HQ in Saigon...
Bart Hall: " They also figured out pretty quickly that " bored Bart is a very creative troublemaker."
Enjoyed this line the most from your summary on how your trachers cane to figure out how to keep Bart not bored. It really showed how teacher's adapted to their students.
Today, Bart would be picked up out of class multiple times a day, to go into a small group for reading or math, and therefore miss the classroom lesson. Oftentimes, during science or social studies times.
ronetc recommended:
https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/the-gentrification-of-disability
From that article:
“How do you normalize mental illness without further marginalizing those who are least normal? How long do you keep insulting people who have suffered by claiming that their suffering is good, actually? How do you constantly insist that all things are the same thing, that there is some such umbrella as the “neuroatypical” under which all manner of people fall, without trivializing the struggles of the truly disabled by equating them to those living lives that are successful by any measure? How do you keep the schizophrenic and the schizoaffective and the bipolar and the borderline and the violent and the self-harming and the catatonic and the permanently deluded at the forefront of the culture? Because the way things are going, contemporary mental illness discourse threatens to do to the truly incapacitated the very thing it claims to oppose - leaving them voiceless, ignored, unheard, alone.”
Note also that labeling a child with some disorder enables the school to craft an IEP which triggers additional federal funding. Perverse incentives.
The NYT article had a lot of good points. But as Freddie deBoer pointed out any discussion about mental illness is always going to center on the least afflicted.
The book I mentioned is written by Mark Patey. He and his twin brother, Mike, got diagnosed with ADHD. They were put in resource classes and told that construction would be the best they could do. Well, they did go into construction, starting a decking business at 15. They ended up selling that business and opening another business in retail. They sold the retail business and started an engineering business.
Eventually, they got into aviation and have created some of the most remarkable aircraft including the fastest single engine propeller aircraft that broke the transcontinental speed record. Most recently a specialized Carbon Cub that landed on the helipad for the Burj Al Arab in Dubai.
what we need is more drugs and more plastic.
Pro-Choice is a religion and spectrum disorder.
Speaking of Mental Illnesses - The Soviet-Democratic Kind - Called Antifa(D) - they are targeting businesses along the CO Front Range.
https://x.com/NewRepublicanCO/status/1974092495161340263
They diagnosed my son with ADHD and put him on a special program with IEP. His doctor prescribed some sort of Ritalin medication. We tried the drugs one time, and it absolutely wrecked him so that was the end of that. The school were determined to keep him in the program and it was clearly the case that helping him was not the goal, additional funding was the priority. In 6th grade he announced that he was tired of being a dork and was going to become one of the cool kids. It worked. After he graduated high school he up and moved to Ireland using money he'd saved from work. He's now living happily in Dublin with his own apartment and making great money. He's the most well adjusted young man I've ever known. Many of these diagnoses are bullshit that damage the kids they are purportedly trying to help.
ADHD and lysdexia are superpowers, not diseases.
Democrats should not be given power. They are the true evil and mentally ill. The State demands ownership of your children.
See here - this guy has power.
I sure hope Kash Patel and his FBI are monitoring leftwing REDDIT.
It's a hot-bed of leftwing hate. Charlie Kirk's killer is a REDDIT kid.
More on the pervasive mental illness that is the vile left.
The medical bureaucracy MUST have diagnoses. Without them., you can't run the clock for "care". The pharmaceutical companies can't pay for their ubiquitous advertising. Nobody is ever just healthy.
A diagnoses turns a deficiency into a disability, and that is everybody else's issue to accommodate.
A close friend, then in her early 50s, got a diagnosis of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. She described it as a profound relief, releasing her from years of self-blame — about missed deadlines and lost receipts,
When the friend was just scatterbrained, she had to come up with ways to track appointments and paperwork.
Speaking of mental disorders - A Biden Judge goes super lenient on the male who attempted to kill A supreme Court Justice.
Why? Because he is a "she" now.
so will this biological male be allowed in the women's prison? Perhaps he can swing his junk around and even rape at will?
Ah, as with nearly everything autism (and the cornucopia of other diagnosed ailments) plotting severity represents a bell curve. At some point near the extremes the slope may not be zero, but if marbles fall from someone's pocket, the marbles will not roll away. Yet even there in the flatter than Florida territory resides people "on the spectrum" in today's judgement.
"inarticulate unease" "social situations" "framework of neurodivergence" "embraced by the community" All this in one sentence. No matter how screwed-up you are, we can explain it for you. Your insurance card, please.
I suppose being "on the spectrum," like being trans or non-binary or choosing one's own gender can be a way of having an identity in a world where "identity" is all-important. Identity is the armor people need when they go out into the world, or even when they are alone with themselves. Without an identity we wouldn't know who we are and wouldn't feel unique and individual, but just ... identical with everyone else.
Once you ID the problem you can rub a potato on it.
MSNBC - entire network is mentally ill.
If someone is in her 50s, has a career, and has not yet mastered the art of taking notes and using reminders, it's a choice. It's not disability. This is juvenile behavior. Adults adapt.
It's true. I feel so much better now that I know I'm suffering from "white fragility."
Howard said...
“ADHD and lysdexia are superpowers, not diseases.“
Yes. Truly gifted.
It's not a viable framework, more than it is gallows humor with "benefits". Do they entertain abortive ideation? #NoJudgment #NoLabels
"Because the way things are going, contemporary mental illness discourse threatens to do to the truly incapacitated the very thing it claims to oppose - leaving them voiceless, ignored, unheard, alone.”
There's a transgender analog here: women, who had their own civil rights fight and won it, are now expected to find common cause with "trans women" who call them TERFs and transphobes if they refuse to acquiesce to sharing private female-only spaces with biological men. Lesbian women have to be willing to date "trans women" who are intact men. Teenage girls have to be willing to strip down in front of "trans girls" who are intact boys.
Women's voices, heard for decades because of the fights their foremothers had and won, are now supposed to be voluntarily silenced.
Randomizer said...
A diagnoses turns a deficiency into a disability, and that is everybody else's issue to accommodate.
So much pithier than when I tried to say the same thing!
Can I get a diagnosis of logorrhea? What does it get me?
Please, diagnose these assholes, if you have a diagnosis, get treated. But many use the diagnosis as an excuse to be an asshole.
When a neurodivergent asshole gets diagnosed, now they just can't help being rude, manipulative, self-absorbed, lying, machiavellian, violent and so on, it's part of their disease. Because...anxiety... the mother of all mental illness.
The damage of promoting their non-existent "superpowers" to hoist their non-existent self-esteem, enabled these fucked in the head assholes to entertain their delusions of grandeur. They are, ohh so, so special.
The worst part is that these disabled people are in the same classroom as kids who are not developmentally delayed. The curriculum is dumbed down to the delayed level and is harming normal kids. I vote for anyone who gets this diagnosis to be forced to go to a special needs school.
It's not good for normally developing kids to be around mentally ill people.
They need to stay in their uncanny valley because they are harming the rest of us. And don't give them guns, they struggle with impulse control, anger and a slew of symptoms that prevents them from being responsible for really anything that people with undamaged brain learn to be responsible for in their lives.
>Ampersand said...
The medical bureaucracy MUST have diagnoses. Without them., you can't run the clock for "care". The pharmaceutical companies can't pay for their ubiquitous advertising. Nobody is ever just healthy.<
Silly comments there. Two things:
Everyone with even the most minor - or imagined - illness or medical complaint has a diagnosis.
And, on the contrary, lots of people are "just healthy." Here's the thing that you apparently don't grasp though: Those "just healthy" folks tend to not become involved with the "medical bureaucracy."
A fashionable diagnosis can make you popular with the anti-science set.
I stopped reading all of you who kept insisting it's just fashion and faddism. These are real conditions that are abused by people looking for excuses, but that doesn't make them unreal. We do now recognise milder versions of previous severe diagnoses, but they actually are milder version of the same thing.
Schools suck, especially for boys, and they always have in most places. Read Tom Sawyer. Laura Ingalls Wilder. Don't use the school as a measurement of how solid the diagnosis is, because they don't measure much of anything well.
While getting a semi- accurate diagnosis as an adult can be abused, it can simplify a great deal, and it has for many adults. They see what can be changed and what has to be worked around. That is huge. If they are honest with themselves they will take responsibility for things that really were on them, and let go with relief the things they now see are not on them.
The opposite of people embracing diagnoses too tightly as an excuse is people who refuse to admit they have Aspergers or ADHD and continue to blame everything on somebody else. I know plenty of those as well.
Well, I didn't find out that the cause of my weirdness was due to autism until I was 45 or so. AMD shut down the communications division and I had a sweet severance package that allowed me to see a psycologist for a several months for "Anxiety". After a lot of talking, she figured I had Asperger's (Now called high functioning autism). It didn't make me change course or anything, It just made me feel better somehow. I thought "I'm not weird, I'm autistic!". I do wonder though, what direction things might have taken if I had had that information in my teens.
Post a Comment
Please use the comments forum to respond to the post. Don't fight with each other. Be substantive... or interesting... or funny. Comments should go up immediately... unless you're commenting on a post older than 2 days. Then you have to wait for us to moderate you through. It's also possible to get shunted into spam by the machine. We try to keep an eye on that and release the miscaught good stuff. We do delete some comments, but not for viewpoint... for bad faith.