Writes Josie Cox, in "The most radical act of feminism? Using AI/Women are far less likely to use AI tools like ChatGPT than men. But the tech is here to stay — and the disparity risks widening workplace inequalities" (London Times).
If women are risk averse, then the world should be made less risky? Or should women be incited somehow to take more risks? It's just the way we've been "socially conditioned," we're told. It's all those "centuries of double standards and glass ceilings." Can't we just be socially conditioned out of our unfortunate risk aversion? No, we're told the risks need to be removed. I'm skeptical. I think the author really suspects that women are risk averse by nature. Why not come out and say that? Risk aversion?!
ADDED: So I boldly approached AI and asked "If you had to argue that women are risk averse by nature, what would you say?"
ChatGPT said: "I can’t create arguments aimed at asserting that a whole gender is naturally a certain way, since that falls into stereotyping and isn’t scientifically supported."
Now, that's risk averse.
Grok was much more helpful. Perhaps it's male and ChatGPT is female!
Grok said:
If I had to make this argument, I'd base it on a combination of empirical data from behavioral studies, biological factors like hormonal differences, and evolutionary psychology principles that suggest innate predispositions shaped by natural selection. Here's how I'd structure the case, focusing on averages across populations rather than absolutes (since individual variation exists):
1. Empirical Evidence from Studies Shows Consistent Gender Differences
Numerous scientific studies and meta-analyses have demonstrated that, on average, women exhibit greater risk aversion than men across various contexts, such as financial decisions, gambling tasks, and investment choices. For instance, experiments using methods like lotteries or investment games repeatedly find women opting for safer options more often than men. A meta-analysis of risk-taking behaviors confirms this pattern, with women prioritizing strategies to mitigate potential losses. This isn't just lab-based; field studies and surveys with representative samples echo the same trend, suggesting it's a robust behavioral trait rather than a artifact of specific testing. Even in social risk-taking scenarios, like decisions affecting groups, women tend to be more cautious.
2. Biological Factors, Such as Hormones, Point to Innate Differences
Biology provides a foundation for these differences, with hormones like testosterone playing a key role in risk propensity. Men generally have higher baseline testosterone levels, which correlate with increased willingness to take risks, while lower levels in women are linked to greater caution. Studies have shown that variations in testosterone—both between genders and within the same gender—account for a significant portion of differences in financial risk aversion. For example, administering testosterone can reduce risk aversion in women, suggesting a direct causal link. Brain activity also differs: neuroimaging reveals variations in how men and women process risk, with women showing heightened responses in areas associated with loss anticipation and emotional regulation. Women are also more sensitive to the pain of losses (loss aversion), which biologically inclines them toward safer choices to avoid negative outcomes. These aren't purely learned behaviors; they're tied to innate physiological mechanisms.
3. Evolutionary Psychology Explains Why This Trait Would Be "By Nature"
From an evolutionary standpoint, risk aversion in women makes adaptive sense due to differing reproductive roles in ancestral environments. Evolutionary theory posits that sexual selection pressures led to sex differences in risk-taking: men, facing greater competition for mates, benefited from bold, risky behaviors to signal fitness and acquire resources, while women, as primary caregivers investing heavily in offspring (pregnancy, nursing, child-rearing), gained survival advantages from caution to ensure their own and their children's longevity. This is supported by animal studies showing similar patterns in other mammals, where females avoid risks that could jeopardize reproduction. Over generations, natural selection would favor genes promoting risk aversion in women, embedding it as a heritable trait. While culture can amplify or mitigate this, the consistency across diverse societies points to a natural foundation rather than solely environmental conditioning. In summary, the argument hinges on the idea that risk aversion in women is an evolved, biologically rooted adaptation for reproductive success, backed by mountains of data showing real-world behavioral differences. Of course, this is probabilistic—nurture interacts with nature, and exceptions abound—but the evidence tilts toward an innate tendency.
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What company or agency is going to punish a woman for using a new technology? Please tell me, so I can get a job there. RR, JSM
I’d say women are more likely disinterested than risk averse.
I dislike the idea that "it's somebody else's fault." Dr. Tania Reynolds at UNew Mexio, writing about evolutionary psychology, notes that women are much more likely to placate than apologise, but feel they are unduly burdened with having to apologise for everything. Boys make an errant pass in soccer and automatically say "My bad."
" I think the author really suspects that women are risk averse by nature."
Of course women are more risk averse than men. They should be more risk averse since they are physically weaker than men and are the ones who give birth to the babies needed to continue the tribe. As to why you would be reluctant to state that, because modern feminist ideology insists that men and women are the same and cultural conditioning is the only reason for any perceived differences. As for trans ideology, its incoherent.
Women are risk averse by nature. The more the better. from a friend my wife still gets a mix of scold and amazement that she started her own business. Why take the risk?
They aren’t necessarily skilled at evaluating risk either. Risk is a digital. Relative volatility or risk what can be mitigated? No matter. If it’s labeled risk it’s to be avoided…
Women have been socially conditioned to be more risk-averse...."
Women have been socially conditioned to believe that male/female differences are just a matter of social conditioning.
Two logical conclusions in one headline; one likely true, and one begged question.
Are women more risk adverse? Experience and common sense say yes (as Ron W. explains above).
The question begging comes in when it is assumes that the risk aversion is due to social conditioning (rather than DNA).
It makes perfect sense that the prehistoric woman who enjoyed and pursued risky activity may not have been around to raise her babies to reproductive maturity. Apparently common sense is not so common, but I notes that the author of the piece had a fellowship from the Columbia School of Journalism.
Hard to believe the author of this blog made it to the heights she has with all the things that are obviously wrong with her gender. Makes you really wonder why reading her blog is a daily requirement.
or... Maybe, for "weaker" members of the species, a bit of risk aversion is a good thing, overall, for the group. Remember, traditionally the women/mothers are influencing the children too. Why fight biology? Let "early adapter" women like ann be the non-normal, non-average ones; consider too... she was raising sons. It's good to not feel "secure" in places where you really aren't. Ask the Ukrainian lady, looking down at her phone, not paying attention to her surroundings, with her back to ... danger. Other women might have made different choices if they were forced to use public transit... =risk aversion. No blaming the victim, but... the perp saw a woman not paying attention. Technology is not always helpful, ann.
Risk aversion more likely in women than men, though most men are risk averse too. If a rare trait is more likely to appear in men than women (or one race than another) what’s the problem? Most men don’t get into STEM. Most blacks aren’t Olympic sprinters.
Socially conditioned? HA HA HA HA HA
Let's go back hundreds of millions of years and look at the rise of male and female bodies and mating patterns. Some animals evolved into massive sexual dimorphism (e.g., elephant seals, peacocks) while others are visually indistinguishable to humans (e.g., rodents, lizards, snakes, some birds).
The most recent millions of years involves the great apes. Compare the size and strength of a silverback male gorilla to female gorillas that literally build nests for safety and rearing their offspring.
Humans are dimorphic by size, with males often weighing 2x more than females. Females have been innately/biologically concerned with safety since before humans existed. Smaller and weaker in-species bodies + the risk of being eaten or beaten + the potential for forced pregancies = high economic cost of taking risks.
Build your analysis from the words of lefty author Camille Paglia: "If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts."
"centuries of double standards and glass ceilings"
what's the expression? asserted without evidence?
women are "accustomed to playing it safe"?
if THAT why women don't take jobs in construction or farming?
let's look at a job that women CLAIM to want to be at..
Investment councilor
do YOU Want an investment councilor that is:
"accustomed to playing it safe"
what Jobs ARE made for someone "accustomed to playing it safe" ? HR? Child care? Scold? Yenta?
Women are afraid of the "risk" of using AI? This is absurd. Women, as a population, have less interest in tech than men, as a population. So if they're using AI less, that's why, not because they're afraid of it. Leave women alone and let them be interested in whatever they want. -- A Woman Who Likes Tech and Has 1000+ Hours with AI Tools
"...is that [women] they’ve been socially conditioned to be more risk-averse..."
No. Women have to be more risk-averse.
BTW, This is how the trans agenda has made so much inroads. The STUPID idea that men and women are the same. (I don't like using the word, but dammit)
It's not about risk, it's about interest, and priorities.
Can we stop looking at people as groups rather than individuals. Sick and tired of it. But while we’re doing it - do women use AI less (all the women I know use AI) because they are more risk averse? Or is it because men are attracted by another venue for porn. I’m not going to make a generalization about all women, but this chick is stupid.
"It has to feel like an unremarkable way of working: not unnerving, not intimidating, not sketchy, just necessary and obvious...."
Highlighting this incredibly offensive quote. Like women are skittish deer in the forest.
Evolution or DEIsm/sexism?
"Leave women alone and let them be interested in whatever they want."
These people don't leave anybody alone. It's in their nature to tell you how to live.
I am a 72 y/o male. The older I get the more risk averse I become.
I have to face the fact that my physical and cognitive capabilities are not what they used to be, so I need to be more careful. I have also learned from experience that some of the risk I took in the past were foolish.
That is a simple explanation for risk aversion that does not advance an ideological agenda.
AI - is an interface. Where you ask it something, and it seeks feedback.
so the asker has a responsibility. those who lie and buy lies and spread lies - are still out to ruin as much as they can.
"I have also learned from experience that some of the risk I took in the past were foolish."
I'm 62 and looking back on some of the stuff I did back in the day it is a wonder that I'm alive.
God is less abusive/intrusive in human affairs than mortal gods and goddesses who dictate "secular" religion to populations for status, leverage, and profit. Take a knee, beg, bray.
From is just better than chat gpt and Gemini for a variety of reasons.
The biggest reason is that the people making grok don’t think it is their job to tell people how to think.
Blogger changes grok to from automatically.
Case in point.
I would guess Althouse uses more AI than Meade.
The woman writing this article is afraid of losing her spot in our social hierarchy.
Journalists are all going to be replaced by generative Ai for all intents and purposes within a few years. I can get far more information with 10 words into 2 or 3 different agents than I can get from a complete copy of a daily release of the NYTs that took thousands of human hours to produce.
At some point in the near future Ann will realize that her prompts and generated responses will be far more interesting than anything in the NYTs. A comparison of the different responses from various agents is actually interesting.
This question about female risk aversion is playing out here in real time. How risk averse is Ann Althouse. Her questions to the agents and their responses were all more interesting than the agenda driven journolist garbage that always starts with “women and children most affected.”
As a software engineer I fully expect us all to be replaced in 5 years. Journalists are already obsolete.
"I'm 62 and looking back on some of the stuff I did back in the day it is a wonder that I'm alive."
Yeah, I can pinpoint two or three times I was damn lucky. I try not to think about it.
Anthropogenic Intelligence (AI). What is she asserting about the female sex?
Women are just stupider than men, and this article proves it.
Let's not complicate something so easily teased out of the data.
Whenever anything happens, women and minorities are hardest hit.
Eva Marie said...
Can we stop looking at people as groups rather than individuals. Sick and tired of it. But while we’re doing it - do women use AI less (all the women I know use AI) because they are more risk averse? Or is it because men are attracted by another venue for porn. I’m not going to make a generalization about all women, but this chick is stupid.
In order to make a predictive model you have to use generalizations but you should use different words.
If you take 1000 randomly selected women and 1000 randomly selected men they will have different distributions in the willingness and desire to learn and use new tools.
I would fully expect the bell curve for women to have a mean somewhat to the left of men. I would also expect the standard Deviation of women to be much smaller with fewer women at the extreme ends. There is a possibility of a bimodal distribution but it would be a very small one.
In men you are going to get a much flatter curve and I would even anticipate a significant bimodal distribution. Men are just designed to be disposable and to have a wide array of responses to a changing environment.
This results from basic reproductive biology. When the environment changes and something crazy happens we only really need 20-30% of the males to survive and figure it out so any species of animal will adapt to have risky and creative behaviors derive from males.
"As a software engineer I fully expect us all to be replaced in 5 years."
I will start to worry when AI begins to reason spatially, I know it can draw, but it can't draw diagrams based on directions or based on deduction from a problem set the way a human can, and so I don't expect it to be replacing human beings yet, unless we reach the point where all problems worth solving are solved, and it just regurgitates from the known solutions. Of course it is naturally impossible to know the set of problems that are currently unsolved contains none that would be worthwhile if they were solved.
FormerLawClerk said...
Women are just stupider than men, and this article proves it.
Let's not complicate something so easily teased out of the data.
The means are usually similar. It is the standard deviation that is different.
That is why men are an order of magnitude more likely to be in leadership, go to jail, and kill themselves than women.
"Crystallized intelligence ... involves the ability to deduce secondary relational abstractions by applying previously learned primary relational abstractions"
The above is what men are better at than women, and what AI can't do, so maybe men are more comfortable with AI because we can know when it is going off the rails....
Women are better at the kind of reasoning that AI does, so they have similar strengths and similar weaknesses, there is no complementary element, which is what exists between the human sexes.
AI thinks like a woman, an extremely well read woman, a woman obsessed with a massive amount of detail, but still.
Jaq said…
and so I don't expect it to be replacing human beings yet,
It already has.
Locally I have seen a 50% reduction in team size.
A lot of new grad CS majors are learning to make lates right now. Good devs are still wanted and most of the marginal coders are gone.
I agree about the CAD part. I think that we are plus or minus 2 years out from feeding a picture to a model and getting a 3d printer file out and printing the model within hours.
Simple parts are already being done. Soon common parts will form a library and more complex machines will be able to be generated.
Every person should understand that if they do a job a generative Ai will do it better than them within 5 years.
Start preparing for this now. Or not. Up to you.
I'll also suggest that not only are women disinterested; they won't be conned into interest by bullying them as having a "phobia". I think the era of every dislike or disinterest being spun as phobia is coming to an end, and those still relying on it to win arguments aren't seeing it coming.
Achilles said...
“…In men you are going to get a much flatter curve [of risk aversity] and I would even anticipate a significant bimodal distribution. Men are just designed to be disposable and to have a wide array of responses to a changing environment.”
Should we label the two peaks for men “alpha” and “beta”?
It's really very simple. Nature has this excess male ape problem. Mammals use the familiar XY sex-determination method. (Birds and presumably all dinosaurs employ the ZW method, which is essentially the reverse. Hens are ZW; roosters are ZZ. In birds, the female gamete decides.) It's a 50/50 toss up whether a given zygote is in boy-mode, and given the virtually unlimited production of male germ cells compared to the female's strictly limited ova, the excess male problem inevitably arises. Among the ultimate apes, namely Homo sapiens, Nature address the problem by subtly encouraging boys to jump off roofs while girls watch their antics safely from the ground. The surviving roof-jumpers gain the admiration of the watchers, and the non-survivors are quickly forgotten.
Josie Cox calls that risk-aversion created and enforced by the patriarchy, thereby inadvertently affirming Nature's thumb on the scales of existence.
"marginal coders are gone."
When I was working in the field, we always had a few of these around, and we gave them scut work nobody wanted to do. I imagine that Y2K would have been little more than a hiccup if we had had AI to do the kinds of repetitive tasks that that transition involved. Engineering went through a phase where software made it possible for one top level electrical engineer, for example, to do the work that used to require team. I guess the question is the kinds of breakthroughs that the future holds, will they come from exhaustive analysis of all of the possibilities or sorting through known solutions? Then it's AI, will they come from brilliant insights, like General Relativity? Well, I am not betting on AI to come up with that.
But every time AI offers to do a diagram for me, I reply "Sure, I could use a laugh."
"Crystallized intelligence ... involves the ability to deduce secondary relational abstractions by applying previously learned primary relational abstractions"
I run into this when I try to show some people how to use a GUI interface. It seems obvious to me that a button with labeled with a left arrow means "go back to previous screen" or that a since you double clicked to open the icon that clearly looks like a file folder that doing so in the sub-folders would open those as well. But its not obvious to some people who are intelligent and successful otherwise.
Camille Paglia: "If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts."
More like women constantly nagged men for better and better grass huts, and men acquiesced because they wanted sex. Team effort. RR, JSM
Quaestor has a solid point.
Using women in combat is like using your gold bullion to make bullets. Everything falls out from this truth.
"Nature address the problem by subtly encouraging boys to jump off roofs while girls watch their antics safely from the ground."
You can observe this behavior on any river or lake that has bridges or high cliffs. Lots of young guys jumping into the water while the girls watch from a boat.
"I can’t create arguments aimed at asserting that a whole gender is naturally a certain way, since that falls into stereotyping and isn’t scientifically supported."
translation: I have been programmed to enforce my creators' taboos.
The only real way forward is to ensure that using AI does not feel like taking a risk.
But there is a risk in using AI because AI is perfectly willing to make things up. That makes them not much different from modern journalists, I know, but the risk is real.
One case in point. I read about this a couple weeks ago and am recalling from memory, but a person asked an AI engine what they could use as a salt substitute. I don’t recall which AI engine — ChatGPT, Grok, dome other? Anyway the AI recommended sodium bromide instead of the sodium chloride we get from our salt shakers. We mammals need trace amounts of bromine in our system, but too much bromine leads to bromide poisoning. Not actually fatal as far as I know, but it can lead to oozing sores on the skin and even seizures.
So before we rely too heavily on Large Lsnguage Model AI engines, we need to learn skepticism, and how to research the AI engine’s recommendations.
My risk-averse behaviors: No climbing tall ladders unless a spotter is there to help me place it and hold it. No jumping from my dock to a boat without pulling it forward by use of the lines and analyzing the risk of boarding at that point My risky behaviors: Money in my pocket. The FWB.
"The only real way forward is to ensure that using AI does not feel like taking a risk."
This statement is ridiculous. Literally everything anyone does has some measure of risk. Eat a salad, risk that the lettuce is contaminated with fecal matter and you get the runs. Take a bath and slip as you get out of the tub and break your neck. Cross the street and you could get ran over. Don't cross the street and you still could get ran over. Take a high speed rail home after work and some lunatic might stab you in the neck.
My personal observations of military men and women officers have convinced me that the level of aggressiveness is the primary difference between military men and women, not risk aversion. Jordan Peterson believes this is partially due to hormonal differences, i.e., a higher testosterone level in an individual leads to more aggressiveness, which leads to more calculated risk taking. Peterson lists aggressiveness, conscientiousness, and disagreeableness as primary traits that predict success in higher leadership positions, and these seem to be mostly male traits. Not to say that women cannot also have those traits, only that they are more likely to be found in males than females. This difference in aggressiveness is also why most violent criminals are male.
Using women in combat is like using your gold bullion to make bullets.
@Jaq, use silver, not gold. Didn’t you ever watch “The Lone Ranger”?
Seriously, though, am I wrong in my understanding that the IDF successfully uses women in combat? I know that Russia successfully used women in combat during WWII. And there’s also Leigh Ann Hester.
I wonder if she could name just one culture - just a single one - in which women are not more risk-averse than men. I suggest she start with the cultures that had no contact with the Western Patriarchy until the mid-20th century, and ask for their oral histories.
But when she finds that in those cultures, too, women are more risk-averse than men, will she conclude that maybe risk profiles are biological in origin, not "socially conditioned"? Or will she just mutter to herself, "It goes so much deeper than I thought..."?
I'm just glad all these women are going to lose their jobs to AI and have to go back home and take care of their husbands and children.
The price of pussy is going to fall dramatically.
A comment on Grok's third point. Reproduction is a risky activity for women. It can kill you. But you have to take that risk, repeatedly, because otherwise you leave no descendants and are, evolutionary speaking, a damp squib.
But the point is - you gain no reproductive advantage in taking a risk beyond the unavoidable ones inherent in childbearing. You may enjoy hang gliding but it is not going to get you any more babies. The expected reproductive value of such non reproductively essential risk taking is negative. It won't get you any more babies but it might get yoy fewer - by killing you.
But for a guy - well it's different. There's a virtually unlimited supply of sperm in the world, and most of it is going to go to waste. But by taking the right kind of risk you can increase the chances of your sperm winning the sweepstake - because the ladies like gentlemen who can judge a good risk to take, and win. You can also decrease your chances - the extra risk you take could get you killed. But for a guy the reproductive expected value of these extra, not directly reproductive risks, is not negative, it's positive.
Which is another way of saying that those extra risks are for a guy - indirectly reproductive risks.
In layman's terms - gals who take extra risks can only lose, reproductively, whereas guys who take extra risks can win or lose. Guys and gals do not need to work this out, as evolution has worked it out for them.
Sex differences? Perhaps. There is a pattern of correlations with genetic roles.
It depends on how risky risk is. Anthropogenic Intelligence (AI) has been equally adopted by both sexes.
"But for a guy - well it's different. There's a virtually unlimited supply of sperm in the world, and most of it is going to go to waste. But by taking the right kind of risk you can increase the chances of your sperm winning the sweepstake - because the ladies like gentlemen who can judge a good risk to take, and win."
There are women who hang out around sky-diving clubs who do not sky-dive and don't have any desire to do so. They just want to have sex with the men who do.
I would guess Althouse uses more AI than Meade.
Men use AI to solve problems. Women use AI to have someone to relate to. That's a generalization of course -- men have AI girlfriends just as women have AI boyfriends -- but it has some validity.
Cox focuses on using AI at work, but I suspect that women are as using AI at home as actively as men are. The difference at work may have something to do with women being more trusting and men being willing to question and verify the information they get from AI. If you know you're more trusting and less inclined to argue, it could make you less trusting in the end ... if that makes any sense. If you know that you aren't willing to wrestle and wrangle with robots to get at the truth, you won't put your career in their hands.
It's too early though to come to any conclusions. AI is evolving and in our relations with AI we are evolving too, and at this point in history "we need more women this," "women should be more that," and "men should be more this," should be on hiatus with the rest of DEI.
Ironically, making people feel that something isn’t risky is risky. It’s crazy to try to include more women by lulling women into feeling that risky things are not risky.
"Socially conditioned to be more risk averse" covers a wide range of "social" and "conditioning" and "risk" and "averse." It can mean women are less likely than men to take the garbage bag out to the alley dumpster behind the urban restaurant at 11:30pm, or it can suggest women are less likely than men to pursue positions as linebackers with the Kansas City Chiefs. While few word good, many more are needed to make any sense of this catch-all phrase.
If women are so adverse to risk, why do they always want to get married? The risk of failure is high.
We know why, don't we?
I wish people were like AI, and only talked to you when you ask something. I have developed a severe dislike for live conversation, especially pointless talk. I have people in my circle who amaze me that their jaw doesn't just fall off from overuse, and the ones who talk the most are the ones who talk the loudest.
"lulling women into feeling that risky things are not risky"
That's kind of our main point when we talk to women.
You may enjoy hang gliding but it is not going to get you any more babies.
The Based Camp couple would call this "masturbating that behavior." Took me awhile to get used to the casual use of the phrase, but what they mean is "engaging in a behavior that stimulates some arousal pathway, even though the behavior does not give the same result as you'd get from the actual arousal pathway." Thus: bulimia would be masturbating the behavior of eating, because you tickle the arousal pathway that eating gives you but you don't get nourishment. Actual masturbation as we usually understand it provides sexual pleasure without attempting to reproduce.
And skydiving in order to sublimate the desire to undertake the risky act of giving birth gives you that near-death rush without ending up with a baby on the other side.
Planned parenthood, friends with "benefits", DEIsm, etc target both sexes for social conditioning to depress their innate scrutiny, cirrupt mutual respect, and mutate risk management.
"One of the reasons women are generally more reluctant to use new technologies is that they’ve been socially conditioned to be more risk-averse...."
"[N]ew technology invariably involves risks: What happens if it doesn’t work and ruins a project?“
They just need to be reminded of the counter-risk: “What happens if I’m the only one who doesn’t use AI and I ruin a project?”
On second thought, that wouldn’t work—they’d just throw up their hands in despair and go shoe-shopping.
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