September 24, 2025

"On bad days, Ms. Martinez said, the pain is 'unbearable.' So she was confused and upset on Monday when President Trump encouraged pregnant women to 'tough it out'..."

"... without Tylenol. He claimed that acetaminophen, the active ingredient in Tylenol, could be a cause of autism, even though doctors say it is safe in moderation. Ms. Martinez immediately contacted her doctor, asking whether she should continue taking pain medication. After hearing that it was OK, she still called her mother in tears, overwhelmed by the fear of being blamed for whatever might go wrong.... In interviews with pregnant women and doctors, they described how Mr. Trump’s announcement added a new wrinkle of worry. As it is, pregnant women do not need to look very far for advice and admonishment; it comes from all directions, even from strangers on the street...."

From "A President’s ‘Surreal’ Advice Worries Pregnant Women/The administration’s guidance to avoid Tylenol and 'tough it out' prompted anxiety, especially for expectant women who face pain" (NYT).

One reason to avoid having children is the fear that you'll do something wrong or — like that mother in tears — the fear that other people will think you did something wrong. Why complicate your life with such things? The babies themselves may grow up into beings who tell you you've done it wrong. Thank God some women dare to have children. But what are the rest of us to do — we who feel called to protect children? Only Ms. Martinez knows how bad her pain is and how much Tylenol might help. Who but she should decide if it's worth the risk to take Tylenol after the President has cast aspersions upon it?

By the way, here's an interesting episode of the "Modern Wisdom" podcast: "Why Population Collapse is Closer Than You Think."

147 comments:

damikesc said...

It is always amazing how Trump said it --- not, you know, the studies from Harvard and Johns Hopkins that said it.

Trump simply repeated what other studies said.

Kakistocracy said...

Could releasing the Epstein files cause autism?

Birches said...

Sorry. I find it hard to believe that Tylenol helps a woman with unbearable pain at all. I can't take NSAIDs at all or aspirin. I have a friend that had tremendous migraines during pregnancy. I think the doctors gave her morphine eventually because you really can't take anything useful during pregnancy.

Kakistocracy said...

Paracetamol wants you to forget all about acetaminophen.

RideSpaceMountain said...

It's too bad we don't have the social technology yet to invent some kind of specialist that people - women especially - could consult about their pain without pulling pills off the shelf and just winging it. I guess we'll just have to keep using shamans.

Dogma and Pony Show said...

"One reason to avoid having children is the fear that you'll do something wrong or — like that mother in tears — the fear that other people will think you did something wrong. Why complicate your life with such things?"

It's all about the likes, isn't it?

ChrisSchuon said...

Someone re-discovered a tweet from Tylenol in 2017 saying that Tylenol recommended that it should not be taken during pregnancy.

Dave Begley said...

To the Left, Trump is the source of all pain and things wrong with their lives. And, of course, the Fake News amps that up.

I'm seeing it in Omaha already that the Dems are running in the midterms against Trump. Trump the guy who closed the border and brought inflation under control. The same guy that made peace deals on 7 wars that the UN couldn't stop.

TDS is a mental illness and that's all the Dems have. When JD Vance runs for President, the Dems will still be running against Trump.

The Dem party needs to lose 40 states in 2028.

Quaestor said...

Her pain is "unbearable"? Since when has Tylenol being a treatment for unbearable pain? Forget the GP or the quack who is treating her unbearable pain with acetaminophen, Ms.Martinez needs to call a psychiatrist.

FormerLawClerk said...

She is not assuming any risk. The person inside her is. Without consent.

Aggie said...

NPR had themselves in a high dudgeon yesterday, reporting this news with a combination of outrage and dismay, strong enough that it actually caused them to step over into telling lies. They reported that Trump stated that there was a connection with Acetaminophen use during pregnancy and increased risk to the newborn, and he stated it "without evidence". NPR actually said this, in dripping condescension, even though the evidence has been repeatedly referenced - the Harvard joint study that was released some time ago, and the 40-odd other studies that have similar findings.

Not an expert and I really don't have a position, because I don't think the evidence has been thoroughly discussed, reviewed, and disputed enough to certify it. But there is evidence, indisputably. NPR continues to proudly beclown itself with its bias.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Stupid emotion based journalism. Reuters reported in 2013 that doctors recommend pregnant women limit avoid Tylenol. Tylenol sent out a PSA saying the same thing in 2017. In June Harvard Medical School published the largest study to date coming to the same conclusion. To top it off, the FDA recommendation did not even change, they just made the recommendation for pregnancy/early childhood clearer.

Jeff Childers described the change as "a minor new FDA advisory for pregnant mothers to take Tylenol as a last resort, in the smallest effective dose, and spaced out as far as possible. That is almost identical to the previous guidance." How close? "Experts said it did not change standard medical practice.”

Journalism can gin up a panic, but I ask, over what?

Inga said...

Well, scaring pregnant women into accepting an unproven confounding study into not having any options if they have a fever or are in pain, surely won’t improve the population collapse. I sure hope that men who impregnate their wives or girlfriends honor their wives and girlfriends who risk their lives and health carrying and giving birth.

narciso said...

thats the tell isn't it, no reputable doctor would just proscribe tylenol

Quaestor said...

Better still, put some Tic-Tacs in a Tylenol bottle and have it delivered in a pharmacy bag. It's a miracle drug!

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Aggie this is a good summary: Link

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

My favorite leftist overreaction is all the pregnant women (allegedly) and doctors doing TikTok videos of them guzzling Tylenol pills to "get" Trump. WTF is wrong with people.

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Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

I also highly recommend pregnant women not open fire on ICE Agents but I'M NO DOCTOR.

jim5301 said...

High fever can harm to the fetus but why complicate things for trump

Megthered said...

Tylenol is for minor things, headache, muscle strains. If you are prone to migraines, tell your doctor and let the doctor decide what you can and cant take. If you cant tough it out you're going to have a hard time with kids.

AlbertAnonymous said...

Wow. What expectant mother is really going to take medical advice from the President of the United States instead of her personal medical doctor (or in this case your OBGYN)?

Chill...

rhhardin said...

Who but her should decide. Not she. Confusing conjunction but she should decide with preposition who but her,

Rabel said...

"take Tylenol as a last resort, in the smallest effective dose, and spaced out as far as possible"

That's excellent advice. I follow it.

Peachy said...

Is anyone stopping her from taking Tylenol?
A Harvard study found a potential risk.

Our nation is full of adult babies. (D)

If you have a child with severe autism - your life will never be the same. It is really challenging and difficult. a life where you will be taking care of that child way beyond 18 years of age, and well into adulthood.

Rabel said...

The people who blame the opioid "epidemic" on prescribed medications have harmed a lot of people. Including me.

bagoh20 said...

Don't give me any information, so I can claim ignorance if I screw up. Then later I can sue for not being told. That's a woman's prerogative.

loudogblog said...

Political medical experts: "It is totally irresponsible for Trump and RFK Jr to suggest that Tylenol might possibly play a role in causing autism!"

American people: "So what does cause autism?"

Political medical experts: "We have no fucking idea. We just know that Trump and RFK Jr are wrong!"

Also, it's not like the government is banning Tylenol for pregnant women. They can still take it if their doctors approve of it. And it's not like Tylenol is the only pain killer out there. There are other options for doctors to suggest. It's just that a lot of doctors have suggested for decades that pregnant women avoid as many drugs as possible during pregnancy. And if the woman in this article has such debilitating, daily pain, she probably needs something other than Tylenol. (Tylenol isn't actually that good a pain killer, which is why a lot of people take too much of it.)

Eva Marie said...

Actual post from Tylenol (via CFP):
“We actually don’t recommend using any of our products while pregnant.”
https://x.com/tylenol/status/839196906702127106

Rabel said...

Tylenol plus Advil = Hillbilly Heroin. It is said.

Peachy said...

With my liver issues - guess what all of the doctors told me?
All of them - "Stop taking Tylenol/ acetaminophen."

So I screamed and yelled like a banshee, and stomped my feet and ran out of the doctors office! How dare you take away my Tylenol! I grabbed my lollipop, and vowed never to return. /////

Inga said...

“Dr. Oz Splits from Trump on Tylenol After Autism Tirade

Dr. Mehmet Oz is backpedaling on Donald Trump’s explosive declaration that pregnant women should never use Tylenol.

In a Tuesday interview with TMZ, the Trump-appointed administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services said pregnant women with high fevers should take Tylenol to lower their body temperature.

“If you have a high fever….the doctor’s almost certainly going to prescribe you something, Tylenol might be one of the things they give,” the celebrity doctor assured TMZ Live hosts Harvey Levin and Charles Latibeaudiere, adding: “That’s not the problem.”

“Take it when it’s appropriate,” he said. “Acetaminophen’s probably your best option, but take it when you really need it.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/dr-oz-splits-from-trump-on-tylenol-after-autism-tirade/

Original Mike said...

The thing about science is that it is rarely "settled" (and yes, I also have climate science in mind). Last month the Harvard School of Public Health issued a paper warning that Acetaminophen use during pregnancy may increase the risk of autism. This had nothing to do with Trump.

It's too bad that some people are troubled by the news, but there's nothing to be done about that.

Eva Marie said...

Hilarious libs now worried about recommendations for pregnant women. You can’t drink coffee, order wine, or sneak a cigarette while pregnant without the whole world descending you en masse.

n.n said...

There is no mandate, only a cautionary warning. The reaction is much ado about nothing. Mothers can choose acetaminophen, other pain control medications, or therapeutic treatments.

Inga said...

“Hilarious libs now worried about recommendations for pregnant women.”

Why wouldn’t liberal women be worried about medical recommendations for pregnancy? Are you trying to say all liberal women have abortions and never have children? I had four pregnancies and gave birth to my four children naturally, no drugs, no epidurals. My daughters and liberal friends have children too. Some people get so locked in their view of people who don’t share their political opinions.

Marcus Bressler said...

The same white women who shame others for sipping a glass of wine or smoking a bit during pregnancy are now cheerleaders for taking Tylenol because OrangeManBad

Jersey Fled said...

I hate to say this, but Tylenol isn’t much of a pain killer. I can’t see it making much of a dent in excruciating pain. ( ask me how I know). So as much as I don’t want to, I have to view Ms. Martinez claim with a certain skepticism. Does that make me a bad person?

Temujin said...

From the people who spent the last 5 years telling us to follow the science, it's weird that they just toss out actual studies- multiple studies- showing that there are indeed issues with Tylenol in pregnant women.

If there are no other useable options for women in extreme duress during pregnancy, perhaps women will have to just make that decision themselves- and live with it. I would say to try to not use it unless you are in extreme pain and there is no alternative (not sure if Tylenol helps for extreme pain- it has never helped me with any pain). But outside of extreme circumstances pregnant women should probably not use it.

And, instead of knocking Trump and Kennedy for bringing this out, you would think some would thank them. We're in the middle of a self-created autism epidemic.

Also- just wondering how women managed to do this before the creation of Tylenol. It hasn't always been with us. What did my mom use? I mean beside heroin.

At one time we had few cases of autism (or at least we didn't recognize it as such), we had no Tylenol available, and we were having many more babies than we are today. How did women used to do it?

rhhardin said...

Aspirin.

Freeman Hunt said...

It's nonsense, so she can just ignore the announcement.

n.n said...

Not discriminating for queer sexual orientations did cause Epstein et al. #NoJudgment #NoLabels #LoveWins

We know that transgender and autism spectrum disorders are genetic or progressive defects that may have occurred in utero. Has this woman used contraceptive drugs, abrasive hardware, or visited Planned Parenthood in her lifetime?

Freeman Hunt said...

Rh, pregnant women aren't supposed to take NSAIDs.

Inga said...

A 2024 study published in the Journal of the American Medical “Association (JAMA) using data from nearly 2.5 million Swedish children concluded that acetaminophen, the active ingredient in Tylenol, does not cause autism. The study found that previous reports suggesting an association were likely due to confounding factors, such as shared family genes or the reasons for taking the medication.”

“Last month the Harvard School of Public Health issued a paper warning that Acetaminophen use during pregnancy may increase the risk of autism. This had nothing to do with Trump.”

Soooo, conflicting studies. Yet Trump repeated probably 20 times yesterday in his presser “Don’t take Tylenol when pregnant and don’t give your babies Tylenol!”

So it does actually have something to do with Trump and scaring millions of pregnant women. Dr. Trump should maybe focus on his own health first.

Original Mike said...

"I hate to say this, but Tylenol isn’t much of a pain killer."

No, it's not. This is all about drama theater. I think Quaestor's comment at 12:48pm is apt.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Another braindead commenter:

jim5301 said...
High fever can harm to the fetus but why complicate things for trump


The announcement literally said to take Tylenol for a high fever. You leftists are so dumb you don't even bother to read shit.

Leland said...

Aggie this is a good summary

That's not a summary.

Rocco said...

Dave Begley said...
The same guy that made peace deals on 7 wars that the UN couldn't stop.

That statement is true whether you interpret “couldn’t stop” as referring to “wars” or “peace deals”.

n.n said...

Apparently, NYeT doesn't understand or appreciate risk management. For example, Planned Parenthood umbrella corporation is the fourth choice.

Peachy said...

Temujin brings a solid and sound reaction.

Eva Marie said...

I’m saying that pregnant women are bombarded with recommendations. One more doesn’t make difference and women can make up their own minds about which recommendations to follow. Knowing a person who died from liver damage due to too much Tylenol ingestion makes me very cautious with Tylenol.

Inga said...

Tylenol as a pain killer is better than nothing, plus Tylenol actually works better than any antiinflammatories for fever.

For those of you who think pregnant women are being dramatic and babyish over the scaremongering from Trump, I sure hope you think twice before impregnating your wife or girlfriend.

Inga said...

“Knowing a person who died from liver damage due to too much Tylenol ingestion makes me very cautious with Tylenol.”

That’s is prudent. I know of several people who ruined their kidneys with overuse of antiinflammatories. I took care of them in the dialysis unit.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Ya we know, like Hitler being the only dictator you idiots ever know, the "Swedish study" is the only tylenol study you fools reference.

The key point is nothing changed. You just freak out because you "think" Trump said something. Like Jazzy Crocket y'all still reassure each other that Trump said to drink bleach and called Nazis "fine people." Because the actual truth is too mundane to riot over.

n.n said...

Pregnant and barefoot, right?

Keep women affordable, available, reusable, and taxable. And the "burden" of evidence sequestered in sanctuary states.
#MeToo

rehajm said...

...none of this story is about women or children, it's all about get Trump. I bet if Obama told them to stop taking Tylenol...

rehajm said...

I'll never know but what I've been told is pregnancy and child birth are quite painful with or without Tylenol. I've have taken it for pain- it does nothing for me...

narciso said...

there hasn't be a 400% increase in kidney disease,

Beasts of England said...

I’m glad we now all agree that only women can become pregnant.

narciso said...

I don't know exactly how they would disaggregate tylenol consumption and autism and at what ranges,

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

For those of you who think pregnant women are being dramatic and babyish over the scaremongering from Trump...

No we think YOU are dramatic and babyish for freaking out because Trump did not scaremonger. You do. You amplify the simple warning and HOPE to scare people because you are evil and can't even let medical news be reported without twisting it. The NYT is evil for its scaremongering too.

Inga said...

“jim5301 said...
High fever can harm to the fetus but why complicate things for trump.”

Indeed yes.

I tried to keep count of the many times Dr. Trump said not to take Tylenol at his presser yesterday. Good thing Dr Oz had to come out and clean up aisle nine today.

narciso said...

well the former head of the FDA disagrees, (are we on Candid Camera)

Inga said...

“Trump did not scaremonger…”

Oh yes he certainly did while making a fool of himself, like you.

narciso said...

the Times has proven it is more toxic than any pain killer,

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

There are a lot of people in this country with chronic pain who are denied good meds every day because of archaic laws, and in my state because 30 years ago "pills mills" were operating here. So if we are going to really have a national conversation about effective pain relief lets take it beyond the tiny "pregnant woman" cohort and look at all the barriers to effective treatment erected by state and federal attempts to fight crime.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

No one takes medical advice from the President. If they are confused like Inga then ask your doctor. Trump said the same thing Tylenol says about their own product. You are simply hysterical Inga and should really calm down. For your own health.

bagoh20 said...

Priorities. Some care most about the baby, others about themselves, and some care most about TRUMP!, which is the only dumb position.

bagoh20 said...

Priorities. Some care most about the baby, others about themselves, and some care most about TRUMP!, which is the only dumb position.

wendybar said...

Blame Trump when Tylenol told pregnant women NOT to use in 2017. https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/resurfaced-tylenol-tweet-warning-women-not-to-take-any-of-our-products-while-pregnant-goes-viral-amid-autism-allegations/ar-AA1NetfT?ocid=BingNewsSerp

narciso said...

in the 00s, they made dispensing pain killers like oxycontin, almost obligatory a whole phalanx of lawyers like Covington and Burling's Eric Holder assured us it was not addictive,
then after the lawsuits, the ratchet turns the other way,

Curious George said...

Our resident dullard thinks it's okay to wing it when it comes pregnant women taking Tylenol. Because conflicting studies. Dumb as pregnant lefty women posting pictures of themselves taking it and posting it on social media.

When their kids are saying "definitely 12" or "Uh oh UH OH!" they'll blame it on Trump.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Even the other hysterical woman (from the headline) only said "Mr. Trump’s announcement added a new wrinkle of worry," so she was already worried ("scaremongered" in nurse Inga's formulation) about her pregnancy BEFORE Trump's announcement. "A new wrinkle" as in a tiny bit. Only a truly evil nurse would try to exploit that tiny fear and turn it into a life or death freakout.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Just fucking evil.

Freeman Hunt said...

Some of you don't seem to be aware that all medicine companies say that they don't recommend their stuff during pregnancy. That's the standard CYA legal talk.

Eva Marie said...

“Good thing Dr Oz had to come out and clean up aisle nine today.”
According to your own quote Dr OZ said that there are times when the benefits outweigh the risks.

Inga said...

Dumb monkey must not have read Dr.Oz;s recommendations today. I said several days ago that it was a good idea to use Tylenol judiciously when pregnant or not take it at all.

n.n said...

Mother To Baby: Acetaminophen (Paracetamol) 2023

Acetaminophen is considered by most healthcare providers to be the pain reliever of choice during pregnancy. It has been suggested to use this medication only as needed and to take the lowest effective dose, unless your healthcare provider has given other instructions.

There is no endangerment finding that penalizes or mandates your choice. No Meta Umbrella corporation or office of disinformation, misinformation, malinformation to steer your decision. Take the drug, the vaxxxine, etc at your risk.

Peachy said...

Leftists: "Scary Trump - I'm a victim! I'll only believe it, if Joe Biden says it! "

Wendy - OMG. Now the left are still whining. Maga found something - shut up.

Anthony said...

Marcus Bressler said...
The same white women who shame others for sipping a glass of wine or smoking a bit during pregnancy are now cheerleaders for taking Tylenol because OrangeManBad


I just hope Trump doesn't say something like "Killing puppies and kittens is bad". . . . . .

Lance said...

"actual studies- multiple studies- showing that there are indeed issues with Tylenol in pregnant women."

None of the studies in the Harvard meta-study said that "there are...issues with Tylenol". Some of the studies found a correlation (not causation!) between heavy acetaminophen use and autism. Other studies found very little or no correlation.

I'm not aware of any study that describes much less proves a causative link.

Peachy said...

Dullard sez: Everyone Listen to Doctor OZ!
lololol.

Inga said...

“According to your own quote Dr OZ said that there are times when the benefits outweigh the risks.”

Indeed yes he did and he’s right. Also as with a lot of drugs, it’s the dose that can be the deciding factor of what is therapeutic and what is dangerous. I’ve said that I think it would be wise for pregnant women to try not to take Tylenol, but if they must due to pain or fever, take it as directed and forms short of a time as possible.

RideSpaceMountain said...

Beasts of England said, "I’m glad we now all agree that only women can become pregnant."

We should be careful. Generalizations like that could get us all shot in the neck.

Inga said...

“Everyone Listen to Doctor OZ!”

So why did Trump appoint him to be the administrator for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid? Apparently Dr. Trump thought he was a good choice.

Beasts of England said...

’We should be careful. Generalizations like that could get us all shot in the neck.’

I’ll be on the lookout for any bullets engraved with Anti-Beasts!

n.n said...
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Peachy said...

Unlike you leftists and your demands for lockstep loyalty. ..
Dr. Oz is free to share his opinion. His opinion isn't as hysterical as the headline.

Eva Marie said...

A secret Trump admirer:
“I think it would be wise for pregnant women to try not to take Tylenol.”

n.n said...

The issue may be a progressive condition that occurs similar to mRNA vaxxxines that exhibit uncontrolled migration from their sanctioned states and cause persistent injuries in other parts of the body, including the brain. The spike protein, for one, was considered inconsequential, a mere immune response forcing, is known to produce a pathogenic effect congruent with the whole virus. The same with Acetaminophen. A precaution advisory is warranted, but not mandated unlike hepatitis b jabs and diverse other precautionary tales.

D.D. Driver said...

For Inga:

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTMLKXqrV/

narciso said...

well the Daily Basilisk is even more toxic then the Times

Howard said...

Trump is jumping the shark with the Kimmel firing and the Tylenol scare. He just sacrificed all of the positive that he gained from the Kirk assassination.

bagoh20 said...

This is exactly like I want it done. The government gives you information, maybe even suggestions, but no mandates or bans unless absolutely necessary to save lives. You take their information and add it to whatever else you have and make your own decisions, then take responsibility for it.
I can see why the Left hates it, freedom and responsibility, things they hate as much as they do Trump.

n.n said...

Beasts of England said, "I’m glad we now all agree that only women can become pregnant."

We should be careful. Generalizations like that could get us all shot in the neck.


Or stabbed... with DEIst (e.g. racist, sexist) motives.

bagoh20 said...

"He just sacrificed all of the positive that he gained from the Kirk assassination.

I thought it was Trump's fault, and Kirk got what he deserved.
Oh, right. You mean all the positives vibes the left got from the assassination itself. Yea, that's wearing off.

rhhardin said...

Pharmacon is a family of Greek words meaning remedy poison scapegoat

Krumhorn said...

...overwhelmed by the fear of being blamed for whatever might go wrong.

My law partner is writing a law review article about the civil and criminal liabilities of school shooter parents. Apart from those liabilities, it's hard to conceive of the weight of blame a parent bears for even a fatal car crash involving a teenage driver.

- Krumhorn

n.n said...

Kimmel was suspended pending viability review, not government action. Tylenol has been shown to pose a plausible, perhaps probable risk to a baby in utero. This was already known and only affirmed and emphasized with respect to autism spectrum disorder (i.e. a basket of mental disorders). Nothing has changed except for the emotive histrionics.

JaimeRoberto said...

I'm impressed that the NYT so quickly came up with someone who supports the narrative they want to push. It's almost too good to be true.

RideSpaceMountain said...

I have good news. After several hours of purity rituals and consultation with my local Nahuatl priestess she has informed me that tylenol, aspirin, and aleve are evil incarnations of the spirits of white devils and that alleviation of pain in pregnant women can only be achieved by blood expiation to Xipe Totec through the flaying of ritual volunteers of war captives on the upcoming Winter Solstice.

We're running short of time, so unless some of you have any war captives lying around you're comfortable parting with, she'll need some volunteers. Any takers?

stunned said...

We live in the world where giving birth to a retarded baby has been replaced by giving birth to a “unique” baby. Ok, you can use any word you want, but we all know that these people struggle in life and they are a burden on society at every level, from kindergarten to school, to workplace, to criminal justice system, to personal relationships. I think a normal, healthy mother would want her baby to be born healthy and normal, without developmental delays (for many autistic people they are delayed for the rest of their lives even with level I autism, which is the least severe one). Why would anyone want to give birth to an autistic child? Just because you are dying to have a baby, are you going to have sex with a known autistic person? Some people are undiagnosed, and you maybe naive and don’t have a lot of experience and understanding, or you may not recognize the autistic behaviors for what they are, and you may not know what you are getting yourself into, that is sad and feel sorry for the struggles you will face bring your baby up. But if there’s an environmental link to autism, and we are told it’s a possibility, then wouldn’t you want to be careful about it, I mean, if Tylenol has negative effects on adult liver, why would you want that to reach your unborn child’s liver? Why?

rehajm said...

He just sacrificed all of the positive that he gained from the Kirk assassination.

…as with the host here none of those people were ever voting for Trump anyways, so no big whup…

narciso said...

it usually is, a suggestion not a mandate, how do words work again,

RideSpaceMountain said...

"Pharmacon is a family of Greek words meaning remedy poison scapegoat"

Wrong. According to my local priestess it means "white devil, white devil, white devil".

stunned said...

Autocorrect

mccullough said...

Fewer cases of autism when women smoked during pregnancy.

n.n said...

RideSpaceMountain:

Your priestess can visit a Planned Parenthood umbrella corporation or sanctuary states where victims are readily available for participation in human rites performed for social, clinical, criminal, political, and climate progress without shame or consternation. Forward and backward!

n.n said...

Nicotine has a retarding effect. Pethaps some marijuana would settle the nerves. A little blow when they can afford it.

n.n said...

According to my local priestess it means "white devil, white devil, white devil".

It is priestess pride parading albinophobic sentiment. #HateLovesAbortion

Marty said...

I have realized that there is a benefit when I see lots of posts from Inga or Kak and a few others. I save lots of time because I simply skip over them without reading. After all, nobody's forcing me to read them and the government isn't forcing me NOT to read them, so it's all up to me. And I usually choose to ignore them. Thanks, gang!

RideSpaceMountain said...

I just asked her and she said that "clumps of cells" - as white devils define them - won't do, unfortunately. Xipe Totec - our flayed lord - and the patron deity of pregnant women commands that only the freshly shed blood of captives smeared on the foreheads of women shall alleviate their pain.

We mustn't delay lest he punish next year's maize harvest.

Skeptical Voter said...

I'm a bit older than our host. But young "birthing people" in my generation stopped smoking and drinking when they realized they were pregnant. The good news was that most of them were young mothers to be and were pretty excited about it. The rest sought abortions. But there's more good news. Pete Buttigieg could both smoke and drink while awaiting the birth of his child.

GatorNavy said...

Beast of England posted

I’m glad we now all agree that only women can become pregnant.

9/24/25, 1:41 PM

We saw what you did there

n.n said...

Tell her to wait six weeks, then the "clump of cells" a.k.a. "fetus" a.k.a. "baby" reaches a state of development where aborting it meets homicidal criteria in all 50 states, but can legally perform in a human rite in sanctuary states and Democratic jurisdictions. She may need to consult with a transhumanist to confirm viability.

Beasts of England said...

’We saw what you did there’

Full disclosure: I am not a biologist.

n.n said...

Buttigieg could both smoke and drink while awaiting the birth of his child.

Smoking and drinking are allowed on womb farms? To womb-bearers or just the visitors?

RideSpaceMountain said...

"Full disclosure: I am not a biologist."

That you, KBJ?

n.n said...

Mayo Clinic refers to them as "pregnant persons" or mothers formerly known as women a.k.a. female sex. Be very, very, wary.

Iman said...

These fucking people. I’ll give ya surreal… we had a demented asshole ostensibly at the helm from Jan’21 through Jan 20, 2025.

This dinosaur media, chaired by the NYT, is disappearing for good reason. Can’t expire soon enough, imho.

Matt said...

No study I could find said that women should not use Tylenol [acetaminophen] - including the Harvard study. Each study that suggested that Tylenol may have a connection to autism said that pregnant women could use still use it judiciously. Yesterday the FDA released a memo saying this - and added while an association between acetaminophen and autism has been described in many studies, a causal relationship has not been established and there are contrary studies in the scientific literature.

Yesterday Mehmet Oz said it's okay to take Tylenol. Today JD Vance said this as well. Only Trump has said don't take it and suggested women should tough it out unless absolutely necessary. Perhaps the conclusion is that Trump exaggerated the claims a bit? Either way no woman should feel fear during a pregnancy. They all have doctors, and most doctors will steer them right as they have with many other women.

Achilles said...

I find it illuminating to see how little democrats and some evil women care about the health of their babies.

Trump just keeps getting these people to demonstrate how sick and absurd they are.

Humperdink said...

Taking medical advice from a president?

Remember when that noted physician Dr. Autopen was telling the citizenry if you get the jab you won’t get Covid nor will you spread it.

n.n said...

Ms, huh? And pregnant. That can be a pain.

Beasts of England said...

My favorite Dr. Autopen quote:

‘For the unvaccinated, you’re looking at a winter of severe illness and death for yourselves, your families, and the hospitals you may soon overwhelm.’

Good thing he wasn’t scaremongering. That would have been bad.

Jim at said...

Are some people so stupid and/or deranged they can't figure out acetaminophen isn't the only pain reliever on the market?

n.n said...

There is a link between smoking, alcohol, obesity, age, generated spike proteins, acetaminophen, and baby developmental disorders and progressive risk to mothers... pregnant persons h/t Mayo Clinic should cast aspersions aside. NYeT, never, maybe, baby.

rehajm said...

Are some people so stupid and/or deranged they can't figure out acetaminophen isn't the only pain reliever on the market?

I’m garnering tylenol was the last otc pain relief available to preggers, though I don’t recall Advil parties when it was reported it wasn’t a good idea…

Spiros Pappas said...

There are numerous well-designed studies that conclude that pregnant women exposed to acetaminophen have children diagnosed with autism and ADHD at higher rates than children of pregnant mothers who were not exposed to acetaminophen. You can't dismiss these studies on ideological grounds. I think it is obvious that prolonged and heavy use of Tylenol will harm an unborn child. It is also obvious that fevers can damage a child's neurological development and that Tylenol is the safest way to bring down fevers. So there is tradeoff.

hombre said...

Tylenol posted a tweet in 2017 saying they didn’t recommend pregnant women use any of their products.

D.D. Driver said...

Just a reminder that there were *years* of studies that found no link between secondhand smoke and cancer. There was lots of great research that told us not too worry too much about added sugar. Whenever someone is selling me things there is always research saying it's perfectly safe. Fuck, even the lead paint industry had a researcher on retainer at Harvard:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Charles_Aub

If there is ever causation established, what is the liability for the manufacturers? Can you imagine? Bottomline: if causation were ever established, these companies are likely sued out of existence. That why I am always a little suspicious of the "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" studies that tell us potential toxins are not bad for us.

Jim at said...

Bedpan Commando running around with her hair on fire.

Too bad Doctor Michael K. is no longer with us. He'd be having a field day.

n.n said...

The general recommendation to mothers... pregnant persons h/t Mayo Clinic has been to not take acetaminophen beyond a minimal dose and to consider alternative drugs or therapies to mitigate progressive pain conditions. At least it was, before there were studies indicating a link between autism spectrum disorder and acetaminophen, before Trump drew attention to those studies.

RideSpaceMountain said...

Are some pregnant women so stupid and/or deranged they wouldn't consult a shaman of some kind before putting anything in their bodies? What is this, the post-Columbian era?

Howard said...

Prolonged and heavy use of anything is harmful. Due to generics, your mileage may vary. Products are sold by weight, some settling may occur during transportation please consult your shaman before you begin a vision quest.

Howard said...

Jinx

hombre said...

Posted (tweeted) by Tylenol, March 7, 2017: “We actually don't recommend using any of our products while pregnant. Thank you for taking the time to voice your concerns today.”

Inga said...

“Are some people so stupid and/or deranged they can't figure out acetaminophen isn't the only pain reliever on the market?”

Pray tell Dr Jimbo, what do you suggest? Please make a list of what’s on the market for pain/fever relief for pregnant women.

n.n said...

Asbestos is biologically inert.

Glycophosfates have no direct effect.

Excess fluid can cause instability, even death.

George "Fentanyl" Floyd syndrome is a respiratory suppressant effect caused by an overdose.

Progress with caution.

John Henry said...

Just came out of Walmart was in the pharmacy looked at Tylenol

Instructions say "pregnant women should consult their physician before taking" (words to that effect)

John Henry

Mason G said...

From the article:

Ms. Martinez, 28, of Pocatello, Idaho...

How did someone in Idaho end up on the radar of the NYT so soon after Trump's comments about Tylenol were made public? Does the Times have reporters out scouring the country, looking for people who share their "Trump sucks" point of view? Did Ms. Martinez call the Times to report her confusion and distress? Who does that, anyway? When you have medical concerns, do you call the NYT?

D.D. Driver said...

Basically, the argument against the connection stems from the "Swedish study." The Swedish study is considered high quality because it analyzed 2.5 million pregnancies and was based upon medical records rather than self-reporting. This sounds great and rather persuasive except... Tylenol would only appear on your medical chart if: (a) your doctor prescribed it too you, or (b) you later told your doctor about it. How often will that happen? I have no clue. I have never told my doctor that I took Tylenol (but I realize a pregnant woman might be more meticulous). In any event, it seems like a fair amount of Tylenol usage was missed by the Swedish study.

Gospace said...

Rabel said...
The people who blame the opioid "epidemic" on prescribed medications have harmed a lot of people. Including me.


Not quite the same thing as the discussion subject- but a true statement. I carefully use the 10 day supply of oxycodone I get from the VA once a year. My life would be better if I used them more liberally...

I'm not sure when this happened- but my mother was shocked at how aware and alert our child#1 was when born. No aftereffects from the mother being drugged. At one time, the medical profession drugged most women into oblivion for childbirth. Now they try to avoid it entirely. At the same time they're increasing C-sections... not good for the mother at all. But I wonder if grandmother was shocked at how lethargic my mother's children were when born...

Aspirin is a neglected painkiller- since for more then a generation now doctors have been frightening people with talk of the extremely rare Reye's syndrome. The all knowing doctors prescribed some medication for child#3's cluster headaches with the first side effect listed being- "may cause feeling of paranoia." His college medical center sent him to the nearby city psych hospital who wanted to admit him... and I showed up. A couple of hours and a lot of fluid later the paranoia slipped away in his urine stream. He still had a headache. A stop at the pharmacy and a pickup of powdered aspirin and telling him "Take it!" and in minutes, headache subsided. Powdered aspiring hit's fast. His doctors never prescribed it- ASPIRIN MAY CAUSE REYE'S SYNDROME! So let's give him something that causes paranoia...

Tylenol can kill the liver- this is known. Now- is this from acute damage, one big overdose only? Or can it be cumulative? A whole bunch of small doses? I avoid it. For one- it's useless as a painkiller- or headache killer- for me. YMMV. Same with ibuprofen- useless. Aspirin works for minor pains, headaches, and fever.

So can acetaminophen be a cause of autism? The answer most definitely is- maybe, maybe not. Lots of things may cause it, but the links are all statistical. Assortive mating appears to be one of them. Are you a degreed engineer who doesn't want autistic children? Don't marry and bear children with another degreed engineer.

Inga said...

“Aspirin works for minor pains, headaches, and fever.”

Not safe for pregnant women though.

Peachy said...

the story sounds made up.

The Genius Savant said...

Anyone who has such pain so as to describe it as "unbearable" is not going to be rid of it from Tylenol.

Jaq said...

The recent article from the Harvard School of Public Health said that Tylenol during pregnancy should be used at the lowest effective dose *in consultation with your physician.* based on links to neurodivergent conditions like autism and ADD to which some families are *genetically predisposed.*

It's the Democrats here who are screwing with lives.

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