"Hurty words" is a useful and musical phrase. Badenoch didn't coin it. I'm seeing, from back in March 2024 in the London Times, "Islamophobic tweets just ‘hurty words’, says mayoral candidate/Susan Hall, the Tory hoping to run London, was responding to claims about Sadiq Khan and Londonistan.'" Someone in the comments there writes: "Anyone using the infantile term 'hurty words' calls into question their suitability for high office." Is it infantile or is it a satirical way to accuse those who are complaining about hurtful speech of being big babies?
Also in the London Times, from last April, there's "Police make 30 arrests a day for offensive online messages/Civil liberties groups say that the authorities are over-policing the internet and threatening free speech using vague laws": Quoting Toby Young, the founder and director of the Free Speech Union: "Given that only 11 per cent of the violent and sexual offence cases in England and Wales were closed after a suspect was caught or charged in the year to June 2024, a steep decline on previous years, it seems extraordinary that the police are wasting so much time arresting people for hurty words."
The OED has not yet acknowledged "hurty" — other than as a word in heraldry:
1828 Hurty, charged with hurts, or semée of hurts, that is, strewed over with hurts. W. Berry, Encyclopaedia Heraldica Gloss.
I believe hurts are blue dots — azure roundels.
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Speech police soon to troll the internet and arrest for using the offensive term ‘hurty words’…
"Strewed over with hurts since 2004" would be a great masthead motto if you get tired of the current one. RR, JSM
“Free speech is my right to say the hurty words you don’t want to hear.” – George Orwell (allegedly)
So it sounds like hurty words are misdemeanors. What about hatey words? What do you think, Inga?
"hurty words"
And a star was born.
I blame hurty words for my achy breaky heart.
The only way to get leftists to respect Free speech is to do to them what they do to us.
Even then most of them will just resort to violence.
The core problem with "hate speech" laws is that the leftists are fundamentally anti-freedom and will always undermine free high trust societies.
If you actually want a free high trust society you cannot allow leftists the freedom to destroy the institutions that form the social contract.
Sticks and stones
May break my bones
But hurty words will cause 5 bobbies to meet you at Heathrow
Hurty Gurdy Man
The other thing we need to do to preserve freedom is to call a spade a spade.
Labor, Democrats, SPD, whatever Macron calls his party, The EU are all fascist entities. They have no intent to allow their opponents to exist. They will jail and persecute everyone who disagrees with them.
And because their core philosophy is that they must take the stuff from the people they rule and distribute it fairly means they will not stop until everyone disagrees with them.
The left are full-on Soros-Soviets.
Yeah, it is almost as if The Tories didn't have any power at all during the last 20 years.
I do have a problem with the "Hurty Words" phrase because it infantilizes what the left is doing.
The left in all of our countries are murderous violent thugs who use the government to steal our stuff and destroy the people who oppose them.
in England now, if you are raped, and complain,
YOU get a longer sentence than the rapist did..
If you're a 12 year old, and try to defend yourself (and your sister) from rapists.. You'll go to jail..
If you're a woman, and you buy pepper spray.. PRISON
if you complain about ANY of this.. PRISON
f*ck the brits, and f*ck their tea!
Yancey Ward said...
Yeah, it is almost as if The Tories didn't have any power at all during the last 20 years.
The Tories have always been controlled opposition just like the Republican Party in the US.
Most of them are traitors too. Even now they are covering for labour pretending that labour is not a fascist violent repressive regime that has put far more people in jail for speech violations than Russia.
Russia may be a dictatorship, but at least Putin wouldn't protect Pakistani "migrants" who came in and raped their girls.
These are the things you cannot say. Russia's government is better than the British government right now. NATO is a dead alliance because we have nothing in common with the current rulers of Europe.
We should make it official and announce we are occupying Europe because if left to their own devices they have a pattern of trying to drag the rest of the world down with them like they are doing in Ukraine right now.
Ms. Badenoch was obviously mocking the government by using 'hurty' as she did. It is unbelievably stunning that the UK government, top to bottom, sat on their hands for two decades while literally thousands of their daughters were groomed and raped. And the best they can come up with is if you question it, you're Islamophobic and you must be silenced.
Hell...one would think it would take less to storm the Bastille.
oops,
this particular one was Germany, not England
https://nypost.com/2024/06/29/world-news/german-woman-given-harsher-sentence-than-rapist-for-defamation/
also the little ax lass is Scottish, not English .. of course
Laura Dodsworth at Daily Sceptic invented a new word yesterday - vexillophobia, the irrational fear of flags (specifically related to the fear of the St. George Cross).
Henceforth, the irrational fear of 'hurty words' shall be called Kakologophobia. In addition to something, it does double duty for someone as well.
We have "No Kings" protests to remind Trump not to fix too many problems too quickly. England has king, and he doesn't seem interested in keeping his country from going off the rails.
The question is whether hurty is denominal or deverbal.
You still ban the word nigger here when used by white people? lol. You just don't see it... "One rule for us, for you another.... Do unto yourselves as you'd see fit for your brother? Is this not within your realm of understanding? A 60 second capacity of mind too demanding??"
The Brits were the first country to industrialize and so they are always the first to experience consequences and reactions to that change. They had the first industrial slums up in Birmingham; they were the economy that Marx studied to formulate his theories; they had the first nanny-state; they were the first to de-industrialize; they are now the first to cope with the social consequences of a detached elite in a welfare state running out of money because of de-industrialization. It's clear that wind power can't run industry or government and it's clear that the government is now just in it for the pickings and It's clear that only the people are an unknown. Now we wait to see what is cast up from the people.
Oct. 20-26 is National Free Speech Week. This should become a global movement, or at least get those sleepy Europeans on board. If not now, when?
"The whole principle is wrong; it's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't eat steak." — Robert Heinlein.
Sorry but the Bobbies and their betters don't wanna get hurt.. easier to just arrest those that post mean words...
@Jaq, "In a sort of ghastly simplicity we remove the organ and demand the function. We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful." — C. S. Lewis
Heinlein and Lewis absolutely read each other's work and loved it.
The UK Left allowed Islamic males in - and allow them free reign to do as they please - just so long as they vote the correct way. * wink *
Note that zero American leftists care about free speech over there.
Leftists are universally in lock-step when it comes to arresting people for "hurty words." (fixed)
Leftists are also universally ok with mass -child abuse by Islamic a-holes.
It's blowback from empire. Where do you think all of that sumptuous wealth enjoyed for centuries by the British aristocracy came from? Of course the ones who benefited won't be the ones who suffer the consequences, no, it will be the descendants of the soldiers and sailors sent to fight for their prerogatives who suffer.
You shouldn’t tolerate the destruction of your country because weak people are easily offended by “hurty words” or “mean tweets”. Refraining from such terms for those weaklings simply makes your entire nation as weak as them.
To the naked eye, you can't tell the difference between an Indian Hindu and an Indian Muslim. I don't think they're treated any differently by the general public so far as casual discrimination goes. Nonetheless, Hindus have a higher rate of income and education than the general public and Muslims less......There may be other factors at play, but religion is definitely a part of it.
There is no true "left" to speak of anymore, they are co-opted. The Green Party in Germany is the biggest war mongering party in the country, it's the right that stands with the people, the left has been co-opted. Look at Inga, is she really a "lefty" when she prattles on here that we should be sending young men to their deaths in Ukraine, half a world away and none of our business? There is no more "left." The "lefty" influencers are all taking $8,000 a month to push the interests of neoliberal billionaires.
If you listen to honest to goodness lefties around the world, they are maybe not MAGA, but they clearly are rooting for Trump.
There are conflicting narratives about the Scotch lass. It would seem easy to discredit or verify one or the other, but so far as I know, it hasn't been done. I know there's more to the story, and perhaps there's more to the story about why we don't know with absolute certainty what the story is.
The Tory party was in power for 14 years. They put all these hate laws in place. The Labour party racheted it up a bit, but the Tories put the principle in place.
The Tories will talk about immigration and wokeness to win political support but when in power they just as bad as Labour.
It's time for the people of the UK to rise up against their government and remove them from office. Physically. With force.
A government jailing people for insulting a bunch of foreigners who don't belong in the country in the first place is a government that needs to be violently overthrown.
Labor in the UK has hollowed out its army to the point where it can only bluff and bluster, over a war that doesn't concern Britain. There is no "left" anymore. The term is obsolete.
People have been arrested for writing crap on the internet. The Tory leader should be outraged, not calling it "monitoring social media for hurty words". And she slides past the principle, the rights of people being violated and politically motivated arrests and jailings.
Instead, she poses it as an efficiency issue. The police should be doing other more important things. Just more evidence, the Tories are fakes who wont change a damn thing if elected.
Its a power grab by the Government censors. Its tyranny. Putting it as "Poor snowflakes being upset" just dodges the issue and minimizes it.
They love Big Brother.
Toby Young of the Free Speech Union is also the Toby Young of "How to Lose Friends and Alienate People." Ironic? Or somehow fitting?
I travel to Europe from time to time, I think that I will leave my phone and computer back in the US. Use a "burner." Apparently questioning the vaccine can get you labeled a "nazi" in Germany. I just want to get along with everybody.
Offered in the spirit of philosophical consistency: FIRE is suing Marco Rubio and others over deportations and cancellation of visas for speech criticizing American foreign policy. If the complainants really did just engage in speech, then I think I have to reluctantly agree (in the spirit of defending to the death the right of someone to say things with which I disagree - I admit I hope I'm never tested on the "to the death" part) (and also in accordance with prior rulings about First Amendment rights applying to non-citizens - although since those rulings are pretty recent, who am I to say? Maybe another court might decide differently).
But where I think Rubio has every possible leg to stand on is in granting new visas: I don't see how anyone can discern a right for any person to come to this country legally on a visa just because that person wants to do so.
London has fallen.
As an old geezer that has seen the UK up close and has survived two thirds of a century, I can with authority state that the British and EU governments are not "Fascist". Just ask them. No, the UK Tories (Conservatives) are the Gorbachev soviets and the Labour party are the full Stalinist soviet.
Note: I freely admit that I am one of the lunatic heretics that propose the reason behind the vicious fighting between the fascists and communists is just nitpicking differences in terminology under the "Glorious Socialist" ideology.
As plainly as I can, They are all totalitarian twats.
the "Glorious Socialist" ideology
There can be only one... one authority, one-child, etc.
Agree with Jay. It reminds me of the Spanish Civil War. Can’t they both lose?
Much less risky for the police to arrest mostly harmless internet commenters than potentially dangerous rapists and thugs. That's why they prioritize the internet commenters.
Much like American leftists - when an Islamic male commits a crime - the response by the left is universal.
'YOU BETTER Watch your Islam-o-phobia! '
Hurty words are nano aggressions, a hate crime but without scalpels drawn.
Wildswan nailed it at 8:56.
Kier Starmer is a Wanker.
The US electrical grid runs at 60 hurts. Europe runs at 50 hurts. Some of Japan's grid runs at 50 hurts. Some at 60 hurts
Named for Heinrich Hurts
John Henry
"Hurtful" is just as infantile. As in, "you hurt my feewings you big buwwy."
UK government, top to bottom, sat on their hands for two decades while literally thousands of their daughters were groomed and raped.
Wrong and misses the point entirely. (Though I do understand and agree with what I think you meant)
It was not their daughters being groomed and raped. It was the daughters of those bottom class oiks being groomed and raped. In the same way that Pritzger, Newsome and others don't care about murders of their bottom class oiks (blacks) the Brits don't care about theirs either.
"Not our kind of people. Fuck 'em" is the attitude.
The girl trying to defend herself and her sister is being vilified in Britain as a slag from the projects. Scum, not worthy of protection. Not by govt and certainly not by herself.
Fuck the Brits.
John Henry
Oh, crap. Sorry about the bolds
fixed?
Peachy,
Starmer is dickless. He has no dick.
Therefore he cannot be a wanker.
John Henry
The first thing I'd do is get on X and post a simple "F*** you."
That the optics of the Linehan arrest are very bad for Labour is proven by the statement from an official spokesman for Keir Starmer, who said: “The prime minister and the home secretary have been clear about where their priorities for crime and policing are, and that’s tackling anti-social behaviour, shoplifting, street crime, as well as reducing serious violent crimes like knife crime and violence against women.”
Meanwhile the Metropolitan Police commissioner Mark Rowley shines that his officers are in an “impossible position.” He has (necessarily) backed officers as the officers face criticism over the Linehan arrest, but has said the force should not be responsible for “policing toxic culture wars debates.”
My personal view, for what it’s worth, is that Linehan’s arrest blew up so fast, and so strongly against Starmer and his party, that that he has to distance himself from it, do he’s stuck blaming overzealous police officers. And I have no doubt whatsoever that the Metropolitan Police commissioner was 100% aligned with Starmer until he and his officers were left holding the bag, at which point it’s “Who? Us? Not our fault, just doing our job.”
What happened, in Linehan's own words
Well, the
locals disagree with you, John Henry.
…remember we had an ‘arrangement’ when you went away now you’re making us mad. Remember despite our estrangement, we’re your the man…
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