“[Biden] would go out there and deny that there was anything political about the prosecutions of President Trump while his own DOJ was going after his chief political opponent—and indeed the person who both preceded him as president and then replaced him as president. The reality is that Joe Biden fibbed about his DOJ being manipulated to go after Donald Trump.... So the thing that the press and the Democrats are very upset about is not what Trump is doing. They’re upset that Trump is doing it to the “wrong” people—and that he’s doing it out loud. This, of course, is Trump’s habit. President Trump is not somebody who hides the ball. If he believes that the DOJ is in fact a tool to go after political opponents, he will just use it that way, and he will do so out loud. Now, do I think that is significantly worse than what Democrats did? I actually don’t. I think the fact that he’s doing it out loud at least makes the game pretty clear. I’m not sure that it is better to do this sort of stuff quietly, pretending that the DOJ is actually an objective arbiter and enforcer of the law, rather than just saying the quiet part out loud—which is what President Trump is doing right here. Let’s be clear: President Trump is not hiding the ball. Remember, he hates James Comey, and not without reason...."
I thought about that when I was reading this NYT "news analysis" this morning: "Trump Says He’s Out for Justice, Not Revenge. His Words Suggest Otherwise. President Trump has made clear that he expects the Justice Department to mete out punishment to his perceived enemies." There, Tyler Page writes:
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"While Mr. Trump has attempted, at times, to distance himself from the investigations into his political opponents or feign indifference to the outcomes — “If they’re not guilty, that’s fine,” he said over the weekend — he has more often justified his quest for revenge by accusing Democrats of weaponizing the Justice Department against him first. The cases against Mr. Trump for mishandling classified documents and attempting to overturn the 2020 election were brought by a special counsel, a semi-independent prosecutor appointed when an investigation may raise the appearance of a conflict of interest for the Justice Department. Then-Attorney General Merrick B. Garland took great pains to show independence from the Biden White House...."
Taking great pains sounds like knowing you've got something to hide. It's being genteel, doing things "quietly, pretending that the DOJ is actually an objective arbiter and enforcer of the law."
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Absolutely!
Comey committed the definition of perjury and obstruction.
Comey literally put people in jail for things that he himself did.
If Criminals like Comey are not put in jail we don't have a legal system. A foundational Principle of our country is Equal justice under the law.
The cases against Mr. Trump for mishandling classified documents and attempting to overturn the 2020 election were brought by a special counsel, a semi-independent prosecutor appointed when an investigation may raise the appearance of a conflict of interest for the Justice Department. Then-Attorney General Merrick B. Garland took great pains to show independence from the Biden White House....
This is such an obvious lie they don't even believe it.
The democrat party is just obviously corrupt and evil.
Trump is pursuing retribution the right way. ~ Ezra Klein
Can these people not even contemplate a situation in which justice and revenge amount to the same thing?
I was listening to B. Shapiro's podcast yesterday; he's by no means sanguine about Trump's turning to the same kind of lawfare that was used on him. But - as we read here - he does acknowledge that Trump is doing it openly, where it can be seen, critiqued, discussed, protested (or applauded). Biden didn't do that. Obama didn't do that. We the people were denied the ability to see what our government was being used for.
I wish there were no lawfare. But there is - because of Obama and Biden, at minimum, though one might look back to Gore - so it's not an "unprecedented destruction of norms" by any means, much less a farther* step on the road to fascism than it was when the other guys did it.
And is there not both real justice, poetic justice, and revenge encompassed in prosecuting Comey for breaking the law in service of his bringing the power of government to bear on a political opponent?
* Is it "farther" or "further" when you're talking about a step, but it's a metaphorical one?
They’re upset that Trump is doing it to the “wrong” people—and that he’s doing it out loud.
They are upset that Trump is able to do this out loud because these people broke laws.
Trump doesn't have to twist laws or make shit up like the Democrats did.
Comey blatantly lied to Congress. He obstructed congressional investigations. He broke the black and white letter of the law.
He committed the exact acts that the law was intended to prevent. The purpose of laws against perjury is to sanction people like James Comey.
The charges being brought against Trump's persecutors are precisely the charges that they misused their offices to persecute Trump. Taylor Page apparently agrees that those are serious charges.
I’m with Scott Adams on this. Generally speaking, I’m against using the legal system for revenge. But, in the case of Comey, I’m willing to make an exception.
Kakistocracy said...
Trump is pursuing retribution the right way. ~ Ezra Klein
Unintentionally accurate.
Perjury and obstruction laws are meant to dissuade people from committing perjury and obstruction.
Comey blatantly committed perjury and obstruction. We don't want people to commit perjury and obstruction.
This isn't the same as what Democrats did to Trump. Trump did things everyone else was doing and laws were twisted to attack him. Trump didn't do anything that the system did not intend for him to do.
You are just too stupid to understand this distinction.
Ben Shapiro is bizarro world Charlie Kirk.
Shouting Thomas said...
I’m with Scott Adams on this. Generally speaking, I’m against using the legal system for revenge. But, in the case of Comey, I’m willing to make an exception.
Comey committed perjury and obstruction.
This isn't revenge for opposing Trump.
This is applying the law as it was meant to be applied. Comey sent people to jail for things he himself did.
Wish I could find the self-righteous comment from Comey about the necessity of prosecuting Martha Stewart. Chickens, roost. Some assembly required.
Michael Fitzgerald said...
Ben Shapiro is bizarro world Charlie Kirk.
It isn't shocking to me that Shapiro sees this as his opportunity to rebuild his failed brand. He is a turd.
I'm rarely impressed by Shapiro. Here he misses the legitimate point of prosecuting those who conspired to misused the legal system to affect "our democracy." It will never end unless there are consequences for those who do.
The Trump DOJ is doing so in hostile jury territory by bringing a simple, strait-forward prosecution that is hard to argue on the legal side didn't happen. But also on public perception side it's hard to deny that crime was in furtherance of a larger scheme to undermine a presidency.
she was the worst woman on the planet,
shapiro's not as good, very few are,
the flying squirrels are not working out,
Beasts of England said...
Wish I could find the self-righteous comment from Comey about the necessity of prosecuting Martha Stewart. Chickens, roost. Some assembly required.
Type in "What did Comey say about martha stewart."
James Comey, then U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, led the prosecution of Martha Stewart in 2003 on charges including securities fraud, obstruction of justice, and making false statements to federal investigators. In a 2018 ABC News interview promoting his book A Higher Loyalty, Comey reflected on the case, revealing that he had intensely debated internally whether to pursue the indictment. He nearly decided against it, citing the relatively minor financial stakes (Stewart avoided a $45,673 loss by selling ImClone shares) compared to major corporate frauds like Enron that his office was handling at the time. Comey worried that prosecuting Stewart—a wealthy, famous public figure—would invite backlash and accusations of targeting her celebrity status rather than the crime itself.Ultimately, he pushed forward, drawing a direct comparison to an earlier case he had handled as a prosecutor in Richmond, Virginia, involving an obscure African American minister who had lied to investigators during a fraud probe. That man, whom Comey described as unknown to the public ("nobody in New York knows that guy's name except me"), was prosecuted and served over a year in prison despite similar minor stakes. Comey said he stood in his Manhattan office overlooking the Brooklyn Bridge and asked himself: "Why would I treat Martha Stewart differently than that guy? And the reason would only be because she's rich and famous and because I'll be criticized for it." He emphasized that the decision was driven by a commitment to equal justice under the law, regardless of fame or public scrutiny.Stewart was convicted in 2004 on conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and false statements charges (the securities fraud count was dismissed), serving five months in federal prison. Comey has since reiterated that the case was "about lying," not her status, underscoring his view that no one is above the law.
James Comey is just a piece of shit.
Kak/Richsockpuppet/paidActbluetroll said,
"Trump is pursuing retribution the right way. ~ Ezra Klein"
Or as it is more commonly known as: Justice.
Ds, "It's okay when we do it. But not when it's done to us."
Variation of, "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
"Federal investigators have subpoenaed records related to travel they believe Fani Willis took around the time of last year’s election, but it was not immediately clear why."
Hey Kakhole, try this one out.
"Held to the same standard."
Same, same.
The folks who were formerly in charge are chilled by the prospect of equal protection under the law (to the norms of the previous regime). The most horrific part is the open disclosure of the kind of information they worked so hard to keep secret.
There's some civility bullshit mixed in to this as well.
Yeah, well - F*ck them.
Behind all the noise lies a simpler truth: Trump is not primarily interested in governing — he is interested in monetizing his office.
He has always thrived on brand-building, yet with a third term constitutionally impossible, his focus has narrowed. This presidency is about extracting maximum personal gain. Tariffs are wielded less as instruments of policy than as levers of extortion, with exemptions traded for cash. Access, approvals, even a sympathetic hearing — all are made available only at a price.
In this sense, Trump is a kleptocrat in democratic clothing. He makes little secret that access to him must be bought, whether with baubles, coins stamped with his name or aircraft painted in his colors. The endless show is not an accident; it is a smokescreen for self-enrichment.
All leftists suck. Anyone who voted for Biden - is a Biden.
I cannot think of a greater insult.
"I’m against using the legal system for revenge."
How about using the legal system to punish people who break the law? Otherwise, there's no point in having one, is there?
as if we had forgotten the subtle suggestions to garland to prosecute trump in the spring of '23, pepperidge farm remembers,
Trump has the political advantage of his opponents being guilty of real crimes. Sarc off…
’James Comey is just a piece of shit.’
Not the quote I was looking for - I think it was from his book - but your find confirms the conclusion above. :)
What would the non-political prosecution of high level people committing real crimes look like? Exactly like what we’re seeing…
whos going to honestly describe the matter, those who were a party to the conspiracy,
"Why would I treat Martha Stewart differently than that guy? And the reason would only be because she's rich and famous and because I'll be criticized for it."
Personally, I believe that Comey is irredeemably evil and that anything that causes him suffering is permissible.
According to the court transcript, only 14 of the 23 grand jurors voted in favor of indicting Comey on the two counts that went forward.~ MSNBC
Not a good sign for the prosecution when they’re barely squeaking by on the easiest part of the whole process that doesn’t even have an adversary yet.
and then after backstabbing alberto gonzalez, he went to work for a corrupt bank,
Kakistocracy said...
Behind all the noise lies a simpler truth: Trump is not primarily interested in governing — he is interested in monetizing his office.
Just when you think the sock puppet can't get any more stupid.
Leftists are just really stupid people who will say whatever dumb thing Stephanopolous porks out there for him.
Kak - tell us why Trump doesn't take his presidential salary.
Trump doesn't waste our tax dollars. Wasting OUR money is the job of Democrats.
Chuck Schumer refuses to remove billions of dollars for free health care for illegals from the budget. Refuses.
In CO - the Democrats demand 50 million for free illegal heath care. All while we face a budget crisis.
Democratic bogus green energy failures - All of the Money you greedy leftists remove from our pockets and shove into waste and fraud and Democrat boondoggles is off the charts. NGOs - another waste and fraud - and you leftists didn't even ask the tax payers. You are all liars and thieves.
Yes- Trump is transparent.
The left do all their hate lies fraud behind closed doors. then they lie they are doing it. So Bidenesque.
Now the corrupt left are using their hate and lies to build an assassination cult.
The language of a criminal information is usually, "against the peace and dignity of the people of the State of Nebraska" or "of the United States."
That's exactly what Comey did. He lied to Congress, under oath. He lied to all of us.
I'm the Special Knox County Attorney for two matters. In one case, I deposed the former Knox County Attorney. She lied to me repeatedly. Stupid lies. Really insultingly stupid lies. She's no longer the Knox County Attorney; suspended for one year.
I want to see the NY AG indicted for mortgage fraud. And Fed Governor Lisa Cook too.
Comey sent Martha Stewart to federal prison for lying to FBI agents. It wasn't even under oath!
Kakistocracy said...
According to the court transcript, only 14 of the 23 grand jurors voted in favor of indicting Comey on the two counts that went forward.~ MSNBC
Not a good sign for the prosecution when they’re barely squeaking by on the easiest part of the whole process that doesn’t even have an adversary yet.
Yeah it is shocking that they found 14 people who were willing to actually look at the law and apply it as intended.
Surprisingly there were only 9 dishonest democrat shitheads in the group.
Comey, McCabe, Wray; if you don’t want a government abusing the justice system for lawfare, if you want to believe career bureaucrats are the backstop to populous, partisan, political persecution; then these were the guys that should have said “no”. They didn’t. Comey went further and taunted a sitting President at every opportunity. Also, as noted previously; people aren’t arguing that Comey didn’t lie. The argument is prosecuting him for lying is revenge, which acknowledges Comey acted first.
Ben Shapiro and Ann Althouse try so hard to convince themselves that Trump has the same respect for the rule of law as his predecessors.
McCabe, Brennan, Adam Schitt, Letita James, Alvin Brag - a few of the other lying criminal shit stains who need some comeuppance.
Achilles said...
The cases against Mr. Trump for mishandling classified documents ...
There was no case for President Trump mishandling classified documents. The President- or in this case- former president- is the one person who cannot, by definition, mishandle classified documents. As former POTUS the defense against such super silly unjustifiable charges is- "I declassified them while president." He doesn't have to prove he did- the prosecution has to prove he didn't. There isn't any way to do that.
SOS Clinton and VP Biden, and now John Bolton have no such defense. Why weren't there indictments against the first two? Well, no reasonable prosecutor would prosecute her, and he was an confused old man...
A lot will depend on which judge oversees this Comey case, but it would not surprise me if this matter was dismissed with prejudice (i.e. dismissed permanently as meritless). The nakedly political motivation and selective nature behind this prosecution are just too blatantly obvious.
Many more lawfare criminals must be legally impaled so they will learn. It's a shame but it must happen.
In related news, Donald Trump is all over the Epstein Files.
Shapiro presented this as his actual argument, which was rather meager in his presentation,
when you actually prosecute your opponent for thought crime, you lost the argument,
Kak - that's nice. Perhaps the leftist judge can frappe some tariff scare and "Trump is a Fascist and a Nazi" terrorist-inspiration talk in there.
The only lawyers I know who disagree with Shapiro on this are partisans who have sacrificed their integrity on the altar of TDS.
Kakistocracy said...
A lot will depend on which judge oversees this Comey case, but it would not surprise me if this matter was dismissed with prejudice (i.e. dismissed permanently as meritless). The nakedly political motivation and selective nature behind this prosecution are just too blatantly obvious.
Hopefully it will be the same judge that presided over Martha Stewart's case.
It was Amy Berman Jackson who exonerated Trump in the classified files case after all.
jim5301 said...
Ben Shapiro and Ann Althouse try so hard to convince themselves that Trump has the same respect for the rule of law as his predecessors.
Wow. That is a stupid post.
jim5301 said...
“Ben Shapiro and Ann Althouse try so hard to convince themselves that Trump has the same respect for the rule of law as his predecessors.”
That bar has been so obviously low since January, 2009, that no person of intelligence could think otherwise. You need to up your game, jim5301.
no it was Aileen Cannon, judge Chutkin, tried the thought crime frame, one recalls that Jackson represented cool hand William Jefferson before Judge Ellis,
Sigh. Another NYT editorial masquerading as a news story.
The collective elite left are all corrupt. From Merrick on down.
All the way down to the corrupt democratic media.
If Comey did nothing wrong, then he has nothing to fear.
I welcome the indictment because it's tiresome to keep hearing about who did what wrong. File charges and let the courts sort it out, or shut up about it.
https://www.newsbusters.org/journalists/tyler-pager a reminder
Never mind the prosecutions where the fuck are the bar associations? Do you want trust in the legal system or don’t you?
no they are just rubber stamps, look what they did to guiliani and eastman,
Gee willikers, I wonder why this is happening (rhetorical question)
These leftwing, midwit DemocRATs…
• They arrested Trump
• Arrested his campaign manager
• Arrested his campaign advisor
• Arrested his lawyers
•Arrested his National Security Advisor
•Arrested his Trade advisor and put him in shackles
• Arrested his CFO
• Arrested his valet
• They spied on him
• They staged a coup
• They impeached him twice
• They tried to bankrupt his company
• They leaked his tax returns
• And they couldn’t protect him from a sniper
THEY deserve all that’s coming to them and MOAR
“Taking great pains sounds like knowing you've got something to hide. It's being genteel, doing things "quietly, pretending that the (Biden) DOJ is actually an objective arbiter and enforcer of the law."
That pretty much sums it up.
yes thats a partial list, cry havoc, yadda yadda,
And they Wouldn’t protect him from a sniper
@Iman, FIFY
trump is obviously a con man and a liar. Trump steaks, Trump University, Trump crypto coins, it's all cons and scams from start to finish. What kind of pretzel logic do you have to twist yourself in order to defend this liar and con artist? Do you really hate democrats so much you'll pretend that a conman and would be dictator is a good man?
Comey tried to get Trump elected and hated Hillary. The reason Trump hates Comey has nothing to do with this lie or that lie or perury it's the fact that Comey started the Mueller investigation.
Trump is petty small and vindictive. He still hates the NFL because Trump bankrupted the USFL and the NFL would never give him a team after that.
He hates Ukraine because of one reason. Trump told Zelensky to indict Hunter Biden and Zelensky didn't do it. Not because Zelensky didn't want to but because that all got leaked in the "perfect phone call."
Trump doesn't believe in the rule of law, he doesn't believe in the constitution, doesn't believe in the bible.
Now i get why MAGA gets behind Trump. It's because being woke is worse. That's why Elon backs Trump. Trump is not a good dude. He's never followed the law. that's your guy?
Yep, isn’t that something… it’s just a partial list and these DemocRAT cretins cry foul. Make ‘em learn a lesson the hard way.
Thanks for the correction, Big Mike. Spot on!
of course the maralago frame involved the National Archives,
which apparently weren't concerned with Bidens stealing of documents, he could neither lawfully possess or distribute, see his used corvette or the Penn Biden center,
Kakaphony of bullshit.
whether its Trump here, or Farage abroad, who they only were able to deplatform for a time, or Cummings that they tried to wrap in the gossamer threads of lawfare,
the way they went after Cambridge Analytica, they devour and then wear the skin,
If he believes that the DOJ is in fact a tool to go after political opponents, he will just use it that way, and he will do so out loud.
Ben Shapiro's not the best spokesman for MAGA.
Apparently, it's not just the little boy voice, but also can have something to do with what he says as well as how he says it.
Professor Althouse in retirement, never, ever.
When you commit perjury, and when you obstruct justice, you should expect to be prosecuted. As anyone sensible would think.
Please Share this will anyone you care about.
They rifled through his wife's drawers. Democrats need reasonable arms control. Hands off. Don't fondle.
“Comey tried to get Trump elected and hated Hillary. The reason Trump hates Comey has nothing to do with this lie or that lie or perury it's the fact that Comey started the Mueller investigation.”
Comey hated Crooked Hillary so much that he, personally, whitewashed her hundreds of violations of the Espionage Act. As a former federal prosecutor, he could read the statute well enough to know that the standard wasn’t just intentional, but includes gross negligence. And that would have been easy. She had, over the years, signed that she understood her obligations in the double digits times, and verbally done so probably hundreds of times. (I know a guy who briefed her quarterly while she was SoS, and got a verbal Ok every time). Just introduce the signed NDAs and confidentiality statements into evidence, and have a dozen or two of those who had briefed her testify, and even a DC jury would have a hard time acquitting her. (Note that Comey’s justification was cooked up by Strzok and Page).
The Mueller investigation was the brainchild of Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, and Comey’s Deputy, Andy McCabe. They had to keep the evidence that they had acquired out of the hands of the Trump people, since much of it had been acquired illegally. Then, when Bill Barr became AG, and shut down the Mueller investigation, they transferred it to Adam Schifty in the (by then Dem controlled) House. Luckily, there were some honest people in the FBI, and copies were hidden in burn bags, in a secret room in the FBI building, and Patel is releasing it.
Stick to the truth, and skip the leftist propaganda.
Well Trump is transparent. What you see is what you get---and that offends the genteel amongst us. You get a fancy college degree or two and you are taught to slip the shiv in quietly--between the third and fourth ribs and preferably in the back. That way people won't see what you are doing. Full disclosure I have a couple of those degrees--but I didn't learn all the lessons.
jim5301 said...
"Ben Shapiro and Ann Althouse try so hard to convince themselves that Trump has the same respect for the rule of law as his predecessors."
Even though you didn't mean it that way. It is a hilarious statement.
Even if he does it will be the least they deserve. And if he doesn't and follows the law. It will be the least they deserve.
They're screwed either way.
“ of course the maralago frame involved the National Archives,
which apparently weren't concerned with Bidens stealing of documents, he could neither lawfully possess or distribute, see his used corvette or the Penn Biden center,”
They were under orders, from the Biden WH to cooperate fully, with the FBI, which meant that their requests were actually in response to orders from the FBI (Counterintelligence Division, where Strzok had been a branch chief). Essentially, National Archives was a cat’s paw of the FBI’s CD, which couldn’t legally get the documents they really wanted (implicating CD in RussiaGate) from Trump, so tried to do so through National Archives, then used that to justify their (CD again) MAL raid.
“The nakedly political motivation and selective nature behind this prosecution are just too blatantly obvious.“
Now we’re back to talking about Trump’s “mortgage fraud” and “34 felonies?” That’s old news, bro.
We are done caring about what the lying left has to say about anything. THEY did this. THEY need to own it. PERIOD.
"brought by a special counsel, a semi-independent prosecutor"
That's quite a mouthful, and Team Biden never successfully explained what it meant. Like a half-pregnant, male birthing person, I suppose. Judge Cannon was not amused, and was not misled by the semantics.
The Comey prosecution is wrong, however, anybody who has not called out the law-fare against Trump needs to sit this out. The permission for this prosecution was granted by the likes of Jack Smith, Alvin Bragg, Leticia James, Fani Willis, Andrew Weissmann and Pat Fitzgerald.
Compare Trump #45 to Biden #46 (or maybe even with Obama #44). Who was more vindictive? Who was going after their opponents with lawfare? Who had less respect for the Constitution and laws? Not Trump #45. Trump #47 is dealing with the mess and corruption and persecution of the Biden #46 years.
Looks like the Republicans aren’t willing to be good sports anymore. Democrats are right to worry. Prisoner’s dilemma in real time.
"Comey tried to get Trump elected and hated Hillary."
My first reaction was to laugh at the sarcasm, but then I realized you actually believe this?? Hillary got Comey the job at HSBC. Dude! $10M. I'm laughing, just for a different reason than originally. How can anyone twist logic that hard. If Comey hated Clinton and wanted Trump it would have been easy to put her in the grey rock hotel on day one. JFC.
"The Comey prosecution is wrong,"
If you mean Hillary should be the one Trump goes after I agree. Comey is just a bought and paid for lackey. But the optics on that would be bad. Really bad.
“ Now we’re back to talking about Trump’s “mortgage fraud” and “34 felonies?” That’s old news, bro.”
Not just old, but fake.
“What kind of pretzel logic do you have to twist yourself in order to defend this liar and con artist? Do you really hate democrats so much you'll pretend that a conman and would be dictator is a good man?”
I’ve wondered this many times and yes, they’ve convinced themselves that Trump is a good man and some have even said it would be ok with them if he were to become a dictator. That’s why I occasionally refer to them as cultists, there just doesn’t seem there is anything else that makes sense.
I don’t much care what those on the right say anymore, it’s like listening to a ceremony where certain nonsensical phrases are chanted over and over again. It’s become creepy. But it’s good to know what they’re thinking. Forewarned is forearmed.
Mayorkas, Biden, Buttigieg, Harris, Wray just bald faced lie to our faces. The worst case of weaponizing the doj in our history. It is absolutely IMPERATIVE that they are punished for it.
“ Trump #47 is dealing with the mess and corruption and persecution of the Biden #46 years.”
Actually, it started and really got going under Obama #44 and his Holder/Yates DOJ (and Comey/McCade FBI). Late spring of 2016, the FBI received a criminal referral on Crooked Hillary and her use of her illegal email server while she was SoS. The investigation (Midyear Exam) was assigned to Peter Strzok, shortly to be a CD (because it involved classified material) branch chief Peter Strzok, who was in an illicit (they were both married to others) love affair with DD McCade’s private FBI atty, Lisa Page. Page made Strzok promise that they would make sure that Crooked Hillary won. Which Strzok proceeded to do, by, essentially, sabotaging the investigation.
Then Trump was asked about the contents of Clinton’s email computer (which Strzok suspiciously never had seized, despite it illegally containing classified material). He responded that they should ask the Russians, who apparently had hacked her email server while she was SOS. Turns out that they were reading her emails in almost realtime, sometimes even before she did. The Clinton campaign then, using that hook, claimed that Trump was working with the Russians. And, surprise! surprise!, that investigation (Crossfire Hurricane) was also assigned to Strzok. That was maybe July (2016). They really didn’t have any evidence to support that claim, so the Clinton campaign hired Fusion GPS to create the evidence needed, and they hired ex British spy Christopher Steelers, and he, in turn hired a Russian, Igor Danchenko, who proceeded to invent much of the contents of the Steele Dossier, drinking with some Russian friends, in a bar in Georgetown (DC). The Steele Dossier had to be corroborated, so Steele and Fusion GPS provided the Dossier to several major MSM outlets. With Crossfire Hurricane now properly predicated, Strzok and his team were off running. And since the Dossier had been corroborated, it was also utilized in early fall for a series of FISA warrants on (CIA asset) Carter Page, in order to electronic surveil Trump and his inner circle, which continued throughout the first 9 months of Trump#44’s first year in office.
All during 2016, Obaba#44’s last year in office.
“ Hillary got Comey the job at HSBC. Dude! $10M”
She bought Comey’s Deputy, Andy McCade, for only $750k, for his wife’s political campaign in VA. And McCabe, as DD, was in operational control of the FBI, and most of RussiaGate (etc) was plotted and planned around his $75k conference room table.
AMDG said...
The Comey prosecution is wrong, however, anybody who has not called out the law-fare against Trump needs to sit this out. The permission for this prosecution was granted by the likes of Jack Smith, Alvin Bragg, Leticia James, Fani Willis, Andrew Weissmann and Pat Fitzgerald.
Comey lied to congress He obstructed a congressional investigation.
Comey personally threw Martha Stewart and an unnamed black pastor in jail personally prosecuting the case himself for lying to obstruct a federal investigation just like he did.
In light of these facts how can you say this prosecution is wrong?
Inga said...
I don’t much care what those on the right say anymore, it’s like listening to a ceremony where certain nonsensical phrases are chanted over and over again. It’s become creepy. But it’s good to know what they’re thinking. Forewarned is forearmed.
You can talk to yourself all you want.
Comey threw people in jail for lying to investigators.
Comey lied to investigators and congress.
Only a complete piece of shit defends James Comey. Comey broke the laws he threw other people in jail for breaking. He is the first person that should be in jail.
But we already know you are a violent evil deranged piece of shit that dances on the graves of people you kill.
I don’t much care what those on the right say anymore, it’s like listening to a ceremony where certain nonsensical phrases are chanted over and over again.
Coming from the person who still thinks Russian Collusion is real and is still waiting for the Great Pu...Adam Schiff to produce the evidence he has personally seen, this is rich.
Inag the dedicated leftist - blue sky is calling. or REDDIT
My apologies to the long term readers here. We have been hashing out the details here for 8-9 years now of these various scandals. Recently though we have had an influx of leftists, insisting on dumping their propaganda here, which is what we have seen today. Which we have rebutted, in excruciating detail, which is what I am apologizing for.
“ I don’t much care what those on the right say anymore,”
Putting her fingers in her ears, and saying Nah! Nah! Nah! In order to not hear when her Dem party propaganda is refuted.
New York wiped the statute of limitations for a year just so E. Jean Carroll could sue Trump. Spare me any left indignation.
The silver lining is that there is a limit to everything. Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before the next cycle starts again. Hopefully, Trump's second term represents the final stage before recovery, although that is probably a bit over optimistic.
In U.S. history there have been a number of periods when the government has been incredibly corrupt. Many of these eras led to successful reform movements. What is different in this case is that the corruption is really operating at a global level right now, and Trump is going way beyond any historical norms. Even in terms of his refusal to concede an election that he clearly lost in 2020, and his mobilization of a violent mob -- that is something that has never happened at the federal level before. Most of the politicians who have operated on the basis of open bribery, have at least had some investment in preserving the national system of political order. Trump seems entirely content on destroying the U.S. Constitutional order, because fundamentally he hates the United States and its legal and governing institutions.
@Bruce Hayden No need at all to apologize. I'm a lightweight and while I noted in real time the (disgusting) events you recounted in, I don't keep all the details in mind. A detailed review is appreciated.
The accusation that President Trump disregards the law hardly seems accurate given the amount of litigation his administration generates. His regular mode of operation is to employ the courts. He files cases and then follows the rulings, if necessary files appeals.
This contrasts with using the system to cheat, the illusion of following the law we witnessed during Obama (Secret Service code name Renegade) and Biden (code name Celtic, retained from his days as VP) terms where the legal processes were manipulated for political purposes. In Biden's case we thought we knew who was lawfully running the government, but who knows? Were Jill and Hunter running the White House along with the auto pen? How legal was all that? Talk about lack of respect for the rule of law in the most egregious scale.
kakaphony and his pure, unadulterated BULLSHIT.
New York wiped their ass with “the law”. That’s how honest they are.
“ The cases against Mr. Trump for mishandling classified documents and attempting to overturn the 2020 election were brought by a special counsel, a semi-independent prosecutor appointed when an investigation may raise the appearance of a conflict of interest for the Justice Department. Then-Attorney General Merrick B. Garland took great pains to show independence from the Biden White House....”
As Achilles pointed out, that’s a joke.
The J6 “riot” was a setup from the start. Trump, as well as the chief of the Capital Police requested the National Guard multiple times, starting the day before. Their requests were denied, by both the DC Mayor and the Pentagon (essentially using Optics as their excuse).
But then we found out last week that the FBI had 275 agents there, mixed in the crowds, in plain cloths. Along with evidence that much of the violence was instigated by FBI assets. This fact (275 agents) was hidden from Congress and the American people for years. I fully expect that former FBI Director, and some of his underlings can expect indictments for both perjury and Obstruction of Justice in the foreseeable future.
Notably Jack Smith’s appointment by AG Garland was illegal. But maybe more egregious was the appointment of Jay Bratt as his Deputy, Bratt was the head of the DOJ’s Counterintelligence and Export Control (CEC) section, brother organization to the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division, involved up to their eyeballs in attacking Trump#45 with RussiaGate, etc. Which is to say that CEC was also up to their eyeballs in the various plots against Trump. In any case, Brat started visiting the WH within a week or two of Biden taking office. He’s the one who setup the entire case, starting with the Biden WH ordering the National Archives to fully cooperate with the FBI (I.e. take orders from them). It was Bratt, of course, who personally denied the requests by Trump’s lawyers for extensions of time or rolling document production, and then personally signed the original indictment, after running a grand jury in DC. Etc. And, yes, it was his CEC section, as well as the FBI’s CD than orchestrated and ran the MAL raid.
Who was the guy on the same side of the door with the lady that was shot- the guy with the long gun whispering stuff to her before she jumped through the door?
"No one knows what Mueller knows!"
As a sane, moral person, I oppose injustice, so I opposed the fabricated, stretch the statutes beyond all recognition prosecutions against Trump. Also, as a sane, moral person I prefer justice, so I support the prosecution of Comey, James, and Cook, each for whom there is an obvious prima facia case for them being guilty of the crime they are being investigated for.
For all you left wing loons, those assertions are not opinions. They are factual assertions clearly supported by the records. Your insistence that Trump is engaged in lawfare is pure projection.
The proper argument for you to make is that Comey did not make false statements under oath. Which I see that none of you have even attempted to do despite your voluminous comments. Understandable, because any such argument is intrinsically logically weak and heavily reliant on legal technicalities which might save him from Conviction but still leave him badly soiled morally.
Maybe Kaka, Inga, and company are more concerned about maintaining the delusions of themselves and their ideological compatriots.
So, why did Jay Bratt, head of CEC, setup the FL documents case, starting within a week or two of Biden taking office? My guess is that it was a result of Trump, on his last full day in office, formally ordering (with photos of his signing the order) the declassification of a binder of RussiaGate documents (which 4 years later still hadn’t been formally declassified). They implicated the FBI’s CD, and, almost assuredly, his CEC, in perfidy and illegal actions. Trump, of course, took them with him, when he vacated the WH the next day. What happened to them? We don’t know, and even Bratt may not know. They weren’t listed in the inventory for the court of documents that his people seized in their MAL raid. They either weren’t there, or Bratt and his team disappeared them. But the search warrant called for searching for documents marked as Classified, and those were likely the only documents that Bratt and team knew that Trump had that had been marked as Classified (because CD and CES had dragged their feet for, ultimately, the 4 Biden years, refusing to formally declassify them). In short, the MAL raid very much appears to have been a CYA operation by CES and CD, run out of their DC headquarters.
“No one knows what Mueller knows!"
Apparently, neither did Mueller, as evidenced by his Congressional testimony after his investigation had been shut down by AG Barr. And his apparent dementia was likely one of the reasons that he was picked as a figurehead for the rabid leftist prosecutors on his team.
I don’t much care what those on the right say anymore
Another example that shows David Brooks is worried about the wrong people.
Payback is a bitch.
Karma coming back around to bite the miscreants in the butt.
"All during 2016, Obaba#44’s last year in office."
Every now and then the topic of who was the worst POTUS comes up. My opinion is that it is Obama. Have we ever had another President who believed that the US was an inherently bad nation at it's core? Unfortunately he gained control of the Clinton machine and mixed it with Chicago politics. The harm he did to America is incalculable.
"In U.S. history there have been a number of periods when the government has been incredibly corrupt. Many of these eras led to successful reform movements."
Agree 100%. And Obama's 3 terms are certainly the nadir in US history. We can only hope Trump and his successors can right the ship. There is movement in the right direction (Trump going after Soros through Antifa for one), but there is a lot of extremely heavy lifting to do for one man in one term.
To Inga. I can only guess how uncomfortable it is for you now that the unvarnished truth is beginning to come out. Are you sure you want to continue down this road? It can only get worse. Closing your eyes and ears won't help.
ThreeSheets said...
New York wiped the statute of limitations for a year just so E. Jean Carroll could sue Trump.
Well, maybe, maybe not. IIRC, she couldn't even testify to the year it happened, much less month, day, season, et cetera.... But since she invented the incident out of whole cloth, and the jury pretended she was believable, what does that really matter?
Achilles said:
"Comey personally threw Martha Stewart and an unnamed black pastor in jail personally prosecuting the case himself for lying to obstruct a federal investigation just like he did."
Sure would like to get the Pastor's , and Trump hating Martha's opinion on this matter.
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Achilles said...
AMDG said...
The Comey prosecution is wrong, however, anybody who has not called out the law-fare against Trump needs to sit this out. The permission for this prosecution was granted by the likes of Jack Smith, Alvin Bragg, Leticia James, Fani Willis, Andrew Weissmann and Pat Fitzgerald.
Comey lied to congress He obstructed a congressional investigation.
Comey personally threw Martha Stewart and an unnamed black pastor in jail personally prosecuting the case himself for lying to obstruct a federal investigation just like he did.
In light of these facts how can you say this prosecution is wrong?
9/27/25, 2:40 PM
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Look at the charging document. He is not charged with anything related to Martha Stewart. He is charged with lying about a leak and the witness for the prosecution will be that paragon of truth, Andrew McCabe.
Inga or her sister? See at the link.
https://x.com/LibOrNormal/status/1971214317535232330
I don't think it's fair to say vengeance is Trump's only motive. This Comey case is also be about good governance -- it is just about the only way to convince Democrats that they should not use the FBI and the courts to decide fundamentally political issues.
I don't think it's fair to say vengeance is Trump's only motive. This Comey case is also be about good governance -- it is just about the only way to convince Democrats that they should not use the FBI and the courts to decide fundamentally political issues.
Yep. Earlier in the thread, Wince said:
"It will never end unless there are consequences for those who do [misuse the legal system]."
If there are not significant consequences, what possible reason would there be for Democrats to not resume the use of lawfare just as soon as they have the power to do so?
Because it's wrong? Hahahahahahahahahaha- yeah, that'll stop them for sure, won't it? Only an idiot would believe that.
What was it Chuck Schumer once said? You sow to the wind, you reap the whirlwind? Sorry Dems but a sandstorm is upon you … deservedly.
"What was it Chuck Schumer once said?"
"Add cheese then grill." Oh- and smile for the camera.
The fact is that Comey went from hero to damaged goods, whether he gets convicted by a jury is almost beside the point, he won't sniff power again. Sure, we can come up with a remotely plausible defense that a DC jury will buy, but it won't be that Comey didn't lie to Congress.
Taking great pains [to show independence from the Biden White House] sounds like knowing you've got something to hide. It's being genteel, doing things "quietly, pretending that the DOJ is actually an objective arbiter and enforcer of the law."
No Altbouse, that's not what it sounds like. It sounds like the DOJ took great pains to show independence from the Biden White House.
Even the DOJ person appointed by DJT wouldn't do this BS evilness. You and Ben seem to think you're adding value by supporting this evil.
Evil is as evil does.
AMDG said...
Look at the charging document. He is not charged with anything related to Martha Stewart. He is charged with lying about a leak and the witness for the prosecution will be that paragon of truth, Andrew McCabe.
Are you being purposely stupid?
James Comey prosecuted Stewart for lying to investigators.
James Comey lied to investigators.
Why is this hard for you to understand? Comey belongs in jail more than the people he put in jail himself.
“@Bruce Hayden No need at all to apologize. I'm a lightweight and while I noted in real time the (disgusting) events you recounted in, I don't keep all the details in mind. A detailed review is appreciated.”
My mind is a bit weird. Sometimes my mind latches onto something, and I absorb anything I read about that subject. And remember it. This is one of them. Another is the COVID-19 ModRNA vaccines. But then, I don’t remember a lot of other things very well at all.
As a backstory, I have a good friend who is a conspiracy theorists, and gets into these subjects a lot deeper than I, but maybe doesn’t piece them together as well, nor does he remember them as well. After the election in 2016, he became a steady follower of Q, who for a year or two regularly dumped intelligence for his followers, the QAnons, to crowd source. As far as I know, Q still hasn’t been identified, even 9 years later.
My suspicion is that Q was deeply embedded in military intelligence, with access to the massive NSA databases. And that he was involved with a group in military intelligence that was trying to counteract the liberal leanings and illegalities being perpetuated by the civilian side of the Intelligence Community (IC) - notably the CIA and National Security section of the FBI (especially its Counterintelligence Division) and DOJ (esp CEC). We first really saw this conflict when NSA Director Adm Rogers discovered that the FBI was abusing their FISA computer access to the NSA’s databases. They were allowing contractors to do unmonitored searches of those databases, and, indeed, some of the information in the Steele Dossiers very much seems to have come from this access. This was in the late spring of 2016, and Adm Rogers cut the FBI off, for awhile, then reinstated their access on a restricted basis. As a note, it was Obama/Holder DAG Sally Yates who essentially opened up this illegal access by the FBI. This was also when it was revealed that Crooked Hillary had spent her stint as SoS utilizing an insecure private e-mail server, and insecure private Blackberries to conduct business as SoS. It appears that the FBI then shifted to FISA electronic surveillance warrants to replace their NSA database access, shut down by Adm Rogers, which they used for a year to electronically surveil Trump and his inner circle. Yes, the FBI CD very likely wiretapped President Trump for his first 9 months in office (and the previous 3 months) through their fraudulently acquired FISA warrants on Carter Page.
Where this is going is that Q announced at one point “We have the coms”. What that meant was that they had acquired the text messages from the RussiaGate conspirators at the FBI, and dumped them. Thats where the origins of RussiaGate, with Peter Strzok promising Lisa Page, they (FBI CD) would make sure that Crooked Hillary wouldn’t lose. They also revealed how the Steele Dossier got into the FBI, and how it was “corroborated”, etc. Then, after a significant number of incriminating internal FBI text messages had been disclosed by Q, they switched to communicating through a chat facility in an online game. Which was also intercepted and dumped by Q.
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