“To our enemies: FAFO,” Hegseth said, using an acronym that translates to “Fuck around and find out.”
Hegseth ordered hundreds of U.S. military officials around the globe to meet him at a spontaneous assembly in Virginia.... The message shocked members of the U.S. military, who could not recall another instance in which a defense secretary summoned so many commanders for a sudden in-person meeting—especially without a clear rationale.
Was it a "disturbing speech" because of what Hegseth said or was a "disturbing speech" because it was disturbing to have to travel and sit in the audience to hear?
As it turns out, the rationale was to rail against the culture wars. Hegseth, pacing back and forth onstage, also leveraged his time in front of America’s military to criticize “woke” ideology. He ordered the armed forces to reset its combat requirements to the “highest male standard only,” a decision that would effectively force women out of the military.
“If women can make it, excellent. If not, it is what it is,” Hegseth said.
It "would effectively force women out of the military" because we know women can't meet the standard that has been required for men? Quite aside from the probably unintended concession that this means biological men don't belong in women's sports, you're not "out of the military" just because you don't meet "combat requirements." At worst, you're just back to where you were before women were allowed into combat. That is, back to 2013.
Another thing that's wrong with that New Republic headline is ambiguity. "Hegseth Summoned Military Leaders to Say 'FAFO'" sounds as though he got them to say FAFO, as if he called them all together to make them chant the sassy initialism. (Unless Hegseth pronounced "FAFO" as a single word, it's not an "acronym." It's an initialism. And that's something else wrong with the article.)
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My runner-up bad headline goes to The Hill for "Hegseth declares war on 'fat' generals, troops."“Frankly, it’s tiring to look out at combat formations, or really any formation, and see fat troops,” he said. “Likewise, it’s completely unacceptable to see fat generals and admirals in the halls of the Pentagon leading commands around the country and the world.”
“It’s a bad look. It is bad, and it’s not who we are,” he continued.
Another runner up, from The Washington Post: "Trump tells a roomful of silent generals to join a ‘war from within’/The president delivered an unusually meandering speech to an unprecedented gathering of the nation’s top military leaders" (gift link).
Do generals normally burst into spontaneous applause when listening to the Commander in Chief? I think not.
The article is full of references to their silence, but at least someone saw fit to insert this: "The military follows strict customs and courtesies, which include showing deference and respect to the commander in chief and refraining from showing approval or disapproval of political statements."
And: "I was told that, 'Sir, you won’t hear a murmur in the room,' Trump continued. 'I said we had to loosen these guys up a little bit.'"
So: never mind.
And I've got to question "an unusually meandering speech." Really? Unusually? Meandering is Trump's style. He calls it "the weave." Has someone at WaPo actually measured the comparative tightness of the various weaves?
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Now, I'm done with my harangue. The journalists need to get in shape. Frankly, I'm getting tired of looking at their writing and seeing such shit. It’s completely unacceptable.
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I'm old, I'm fat, this travel kills me. Doesn't this asshole realize we've all been to a million meaningless meetings, and we don't need any more? Why can't he stay in the big office in DC and throw paper airplanes at his dart board?
You know what's depressing? The food and service on this trip. I wish I was Patton, or someone who was in the same species as Patton: FAFO baby.
Was it worth the time and expense bringing all those people there from across the globe for what we saw?
I dont see the value.
Cry me a river. You can kill people all day long, but your tender little ears get hurt by "FAFO"?
Women: Review the old (unathletic) Andy Kaufmann vs. women wrestling videos before you sign up for war...
Oh, look, the hacks are now showing their pent up frustration for the previous administration, using all those unflattering adjectives that they weren't allowed to use when Dementia Joe was in office. Why, Trump is so fat and senile he's tottering around on stage, meandering his way through a speech-without-a-subject. Except he's holding impromptu pressers every time he's out in public, and holding down a demanding schedule that would wear out a man 15 years younger. Maybe our elite press corps is a little too fat, too, around the waist and between the ears.
Most generals are fat and worthless now. Any general who can’t pass the PT should be fired immediately.
I didn't think much of the gymbro focus to military affairs, but watching the fat pasty sodomites of the corporat media go all weepy demands some credit.
Every single general that was involved in the planning and execution of the Afghanistan pull out Should Be Court Martialed and discharged dishonorably for dereliction of duty.
The problem with Trump’s weave —as journos see it— is that the Trump wave doesn’t show signs of cresting, despite their best efforts at witching it away.
"Was it worth the time and expense bringing all those people there from across the globe for what we saw? I dont see the value."
I like to think — or am terrified to think — that there were cameras trained on the faces the entire time and there is AI capable of producing a psychological profile of each person behind the face. Now Hegseth and Trump know who is loyal and who is resistant and who's an utter snake.
The AI also figured out who's fat.
Yes, we need a meeting of all MSM reporters so Althouse can give them a speech. LOL.
"the rationale was to rail against the culture wars" - the memo must have gone out because I see one MSM headline/article after another use the word "rail".
I agree that physical standards for combat roles should be at their highest. I just hope that Transgenders aren't hurt by it because Generals have declared we can't win a war without them.
It wasn't "unusually meandering" at all. It was tightly focused. It was a speech that a really good trial lawyer would give. I thought it was exceptional on both rhetoric and substance.
In time, this will be viewed as both a great and important speech. The ChiComs and Russia got the message.
I'm genuinely curious what the attack will be. How can the left defend having fat generals and soldiers who cannot do a pushup? Besides the obvious: the left hates the US and wants us to lose wars.
Love the mind reading in every article. Military leaders are upset at the speech. Oh, and they're shocked at the meeting. And some think its "fascist". Notice we never get any names. Which means its just the reporter's opinion.
BINGO
The journalists need to get in shape. Frankly, I'm getting tired of looking at their writing and seeing such shit. It’s completely unacceptable.
Welcome to 2013…
doctrev said...
I didn't think much of the gymbro focus to military affairs, but watching the fat pasty sodomites of the corporat media go all weepy demands some credit.
Discipline is the core competency of the military and its operations. You don’t need to be special or do anything truly heroic to do your job. Most military actions are lowest common denominator.
Requiring a basic level of fitness and maintaining a basic level of physical appearance and stature is the easiest step to take to maintain a disciplined unit.
The most important factor in the success of a military unit is that each member of that unit has confidence in the person to their left and the right to do their job. If you have any doubts about the other people in your unit, then the chances of a successful mission are pretty much zero.
If someone can’t even bother to do 50 push-ups and run a couple miles a day it’s really hard to trust them With your life.
Yes, it was lame, not disturbing, unless you’re a beardo or a woman in a combat role. As to whether women get reassigned or pushed out of the military, we really really don’t know yet. Hegseth did invite the beardos to join the special forces.
I know some men who are still building their careers who take Ozempic. I wonder if once you have reached the pinnacle of your career, being quite overweight really wouldn't matter that much to you anymore and definitely not enough to put up with the side effects.
Maybe if these Beta-boy generals showed that they were capable of winning a conflict sometime, they wouldn't need a tongue-lashing from the administration. At this point I think that a troop of Girl Scouts would stand a better chance of prevailing than these over-decorated retards.
Ann calling for better crafted propaganda...
Isn't it the duty of generals, etc. to do what their commanders want? You think you've got better things to do? Not your call.
I think it's ludicrous for a journalistic article to call it a "disturbing speech." Who is disturbed? The headline writer? Were the military leaders disturbed? All of them? Some of them? Don't create fake objectivity. Someone needs to have been disturbed. I want to know who and why.
The point is for the HEADLINE READER to be disturbed. Today's "news" is a signal to the faithful what emotions they should express so not to be out of step with the rest of the cult.
The rest of the article could be lorem ipsum for all they care.
My military service was 30 years ago, but it was routine to toss out people who didn't meet weight and physical fitness standards. And I don't remember seeing any fat generals. Not that I hung around with them a lot.
You got weighed and took a PT test every six months. If you didn't meet standards you were put on an additional PT program and if you were over weight they had a program for that too. You had six months and if you didn't meet the standards by then, adios.
Since I was in a combat support MOS we didn't usually do PT everyday, we did it three times a week. But, they weren't fooling around. Hard calisthenics and fast paced runs. However, when I attended residential leadership development courses (and basic training) that was a five day a week PT environment.
As for grooming requirements, they have degraded to an alarming degree. Grooming standards in the military aren't arbitrary. Among other things, they present a professional appearance to the world. And the military isn't the place to let your freak flag fly.
Ann Althouse said...
"Was it worth the time and expense bringing all those people there from across the globe for what we saw? I dont see the value."
I like to think — or am terrified to think — that there were cameras trained on the faces the entire time and there is AI capable of producing a psychological profile of each person behind the face. Now Hegseth and Trump know who is loyal and who is resistant and who's an utter snake.
That would be in the third book of the Dune series “children of Dune “when Jessica Atreides returns to Dune after being gone for about a decade to see her grandchildren.
"At worst, you're just back to where you were before women were allowed into combat. That is, back to 2013."
Or another way of putting it, You're back to reality. Where you either meet THE standard or you do not.
I commented on an earlier post you had on this subject from a week or two ago. I'll repeat the gist of it.
Our military has been run by careerists for so long that they've created their own world that does not match what our military is there for: to break things and kill people. That is why they are there. To go up against those who would have our lives and our country.
Why wouldn't you create as elite a group of fighters as possible? What other possible reason is there to have a military?
Democrats over Obama's and Biden's terms (but I repeat myself) took it upon themselves to play college sophomore 'social justice' games with our military. It's bad enough to do it with our government, our schools and education, our corporate offices. But it is a national security crisis when it is done with our military.
Also- any great company undergoing change will bring in it's top people to listen- in person- to the word of their new bosses as to the direction the company is taking, the structure of things going forward, and the ultimate goal of the company. Pete Hegseth just did that for his team. Those who perform will be invited back. Those who do not will probably find a nice cushy position at a northeastern university.
You think you've got better things to do? Not your call.
Those same commanders would have no problem holding a similar session with all their troops to make an important message clear. That it occasionally happens to them should be nothing to complain about.
The disturbing part was Trump’s remarks on U.S cities and “the war from within.”
“The message shocked members of the U.S. military”
How pathetic is that!?!?
If you didn't meet standards you were put on an additional PT program
It was called the "Fat Boy Program" to include shame as a chief component..
“The message shocked members of the U.S. military”
Shocked but not awed? Someone left half the ammunition in the magazine.
“I want to know who and why.”
Even the Professor is taking names and kicking butt. Atta girl!
Railing is one thing. But I draw the line at fulminating or inveighing. And at least he didn't just criticize severely.
And yeah, he needed them in their seats so he knows they are perceived by him as mission-critical, and they can't claim not to have gotten the message. Parades are nice, but they are not the point of thew military.
The media has always been at least a little biased, but I don't know exactly when it became commonplace for straight news articles to routinely make unsubstantiated assertions and value judgments. The 90s, maybe? All I know is that today's publications routinely put out material that would have earned a reporter a well-deserved reprimand from an angry editor when I was a kid, if not an outright termination of employment. Then again, we no longer have "reporters", but we do have a lot of "journalists" instead.
This military does "stand downs" at the local level all the time. They resemble this meeting of Generals. Stand downs happen when there are a couple dumb mistakes in a row, such as a vehicle crashes or friendly fire incidents. In the recent DEI era, they'd happen when a couple managers lost sexual harassment lawsuits.
Price on that maneuver ? and would an email have done same thing? I know "WHAT A MAN PETE" Troop deployment ,ARGENTINA weekly golf your paying, no problem right? fiscal conservatism RIGHT?
Did they play ‘War Pigs’ before the meeting? That would have been groovy…
"its combat requirements to the “highest male standard only,” a decision that would effectively force women out of the military" Even as prog logic, that doesn't make sense: big chunks of the military do not focus on "combat." There'll be plenty to do for women.
If we're gonna slim down fat generals, how about the CiC?
"The journalists need to get in shape. Frankly, I'm getting tired of looking at their writing and seeing such shit. It’s completely unacceptable."
LOL! Quips like this are why I love Althouse, exasperatin' as she is.
I wonder what other non-obvious purposes today's meeting might have served, outside the media spotlight created by this speech?
Hidden in plain sight, away from center stage?
Hegseth ordered hundreds of U.S. military officials around the globe to meet him at a spontaneous assembly in Virginia.
Isn't a meeting that was ordered the opposite of spontaneous?
I like to think — or am terrified to think — that there were cameras trained on the faces the entire time and there is AI capable of producing a psychological profile of each person behind the face. Now Hegseth and Trump know who is loyal and who is resistant and who's an utter snake.
Now you are advocating that loyalty to the president and Defense Secretary is more important than loyalty to the constitution.
How very Orwellian of you.
...The message shocked members of the U.S. military, who could not recall another instance in which a defense secretary summoned so many commanders for a sudden in-person meeting—especially without a clear rationale.
How many and which "members of the U.S. military" were "shocked," and why were they talking to WaPo reporters about it?
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"Fuck Around And Find Out" should have confused about half of the attendees who don't live and die with such shortcuts as FAFO. But why in God's Earth would you endanger 800 military officers to travel and assemble to deliver such a juvenile message? Millions upon millions of dollars are being wasted, and no one is left to mind the store back home.
In the real world, the meeting was designed to pass the word that loyalty to King Trump was required. Every attendee had already pledged allegiance to the United States.
Demented Donald has indeed lost his mind. Whiskey Pete, on the other hand, doesn't deserve to be in the same room with these fine officers.
The most numerous posts I saw on Lefty X this morning were misleading clips from the Hegseth/RFK workout challenge, showing an exhausted Hegseth trying and failing to complete the very last of some 40 or 50 pull-ups he had done. All of the previous repetitions had been deliberately edited out. The lefties were full of gleefully ignorant scorn: “See? He can’t even do a single pull-up himself !!!”
Girth differences.
@gadfly: But why in God's Earth would you endanger 800 military officers to travel
How to say "I know nothing about the military" without saying you know nothing about the military.
1. A HUGE percentage of military life involves travel, often for reassignments and meetings and logistics and boring stuff. The military wastes BILLIONS on stupid travel and much more on training exercises.
2. These guys are in the military. It's a job that expressly allows killing and operating in war zones. Endangered by travel. ROFL.
Then again, a woke military is a weak military. MAGA is about making America Great Again. A weak military runs counter to that very publicly stated goal.
Very trenchant observations, Professor. Well done calling out the sloppy writing.
A ilttle earlier Hegseth ordered all units to have a single standard of fitness, geared to achievable male standards. Recruiting among women has steadily increased since then. When there is one standard, everyone knows that a woman in the military can do the job she's doing or she wouldn't be there. And this is what a self-respecting woman wants.
Althouse: It "would effectively force women out of the military" because we know women can't meet the standard that has been required for men? Quite aside from the probably unintended concession that this means biological men don't belong in women's sports, you're not "out of the military" just because you don't meet "combat requirements." At worst, you're just back to where you were before women were allowed into combat. That is, back to 2013.
I think you are wrong on this. Throughout the military there are PT standards that vary by age, and, as of now, sex. Just one example: in the Air Force, a 50 year old male is held to the same 1½ mile run standard as a 25 year old woman.
It sounds very much like that the male standard will be the only standard, and most women will not be able to pass it.
SFAIK, some combat roles — e.g: SEALs, Rangers — have even higher standards.
Also, allowing women who can't pass the standards to staff rear echelon positions because they are "non-combat" means the combat deployment role falls more heavily on the men.
It was disturbing because...because...it was scary-talk.
Rats and dagnabbit (I mean "congratulations"), Mary Beth, 1:21, you beat me to pointing out the most glaringly stupid comment in the article: "Hegseth ordered hundreds of U.S. military officials around the globe to meet him at a spontaneous assembly in Virginia."
Mary Beth: "Isn't a meeting that was ordered the opposite of spontaneous?"
Leftist dem media continue to sound like ridiculous hacks.
The US hasn’t won a war in 80 years. So these generals and admirals have nothing better to do.
Flabby minded media!
I don't think Trump or Hegseth are serious about doing what needs to be done.
This video brings up some of my concerns.
The fact that 80% generals weren't fired immediately highlights the main problem and highlights Hegseth's un-seriousness.
First The military right now is a bureaucratic monster than has grown and metastasized during periods without threat or serious conflict. It is a sprawling mess of XXXCOMMS and fiefdoms with generals playing tribal warlord all around the world. None of those commands listen to the President no matter who is in office.
Germany just said "We are no longer at peace with Russia."
Merz is the worst possible combination of dishonesty, cowardice, and arrogance. Europe is demanding to start a war with Russia. Merz, Starmer, and Macron are all facing popular uprisings and single digit approval ratings.
The US should be slapping the German government down hard right now.
We are not serious.
"The message shocked members of the U.S. military"
These are supposed to be the hardened ones. The tough guys. A meeting shocked them?
"I like to think — or am terrified to think — that there were cameras trained on the faces the entire time and there is AI capable of producing a psychological profile of each person behind the face. Now Hegseth and Trump know who is loyal and who is resistant and who's an utter snake."
Sounds like a plan!
Trump made a point of repeating the “enemies from within”theme. Maybe this meeting was called to see the reaction from the Admirals and Generals, I don’t doubt their faces were being scanned. The real question still hasn’t been answered, when Trump calls upon the military to fire deadly rounds on American citizens, how will the military react? Will they be loyal to Trump’s illegal orders or the Constitution? How do military coups happen? How long does the military take to reject Trump loyalty and choose loyalty to the Constitution?
Making war against the American people may backfire on Trump, time will tell.
Quite heartening to see our resident lefty lurkers promoting fiscal conservatism. Keep it up, guys!
Ah, and then we finally hear from the perennially logic-challenged Inga. Thanks for sharing your fantasies, very kind indeed.
As a Vietnam Veteran and a veteran of East Africa, I thoroughly loved Secretary of War Pete Hegseth's extemporaneous speech to the generals. In my eyes, he was revealed as someone who could actually do a great job as President of the United States (not that I am demeaning in any way JD or Marco)!
Hey Skipper said...
Althouse: It "would effectively force women out of the military" because we know women can't meet the standard that has been required for men? Quite aside from the probably unintended concession that this means biological men don't belong in women's sports, you're not "out of the military" just because you don't meet "combat requirements." At worst, you're just back to where you were before women were allowed into combat. That is, back to 2013.
Also, allowing women who can't pass the standards to staff rear echelon positions because they are "non-combat" means the combat deployment role falls more heavily on the men.
When the deployment orders for a unit were announced the rate of pregnancy among female soldiers in those units was shocking.
Military units train as a team. When the Unit deploys the readiness level is in part rated by the redundancy of personnel in key roles. When 50-80% of the females in the unit get pregnant within a week of deployment orders coming out it just trashes the whole system.
This is why Tim Walz was viewed as a traitor to his Unit.
The army is lowest common denominator. The Weakest Link in a unit is the effective readiness level of the unit.
The problem with allowing women in military units is that it necessarily lowers the standards for all people in the combat zone and you can no longer trust the person next to you to do their job.
Inga said...
Trump made a point of repeating the “enemies from within”theme. Maybe this meeting was called to see the reaction from the Admirals and Generals, I don’t doubt their faces were being scanned.
Anyone in the army that supports killing Charlie Kirk or banning conservatives from social media should be removed from the army because they are not Americans.
But why in God's Earth would you endanger 800 military officers to travel and assemble to deliver such a juvenile message? Millions upon millions of dollars are being wasted, and no one is left to mind the store back home.
How did this cost "millions upon millions?" If they traveled by military aircraft, those planes were flying anyhow, just with one more passenger. Otherwise, it is just some routine commercial flights. You can't count their salaries, they would have been getting paid wherever they were. Overblown nonsense.
Also, making them physically show up was certainly a big part of the message, a reminder of who is in charge. If you disagree with the elected civilian President and his congressionally-approved cabinet member being in charge of the military, you are a part of the problem.
No beardos. No weirdos.
Col. Vindman was fat. Just saying.
'The journalists need to get in shape. Frankly, I'm getting tired of looking at their writing and seeing such shit. It’s completely unacceptable....'
time to call them into classroom for althouseathon!
does UW have big classroom? or use the sports stadium
Mark said...
"Was it worth the time and expense bringing all those people there from across the globe for what we saw?
I dont see the value"
Oh, NOW you're worried about the expense. You weren't so concerned about the cost of having millions of illegals in this country.
I got news for you. These are generals and admirals. They fly tens of thousands of hours anyway every year on our dime.
Hey Skipper said...
SFAIK, some combat roles — e.g: SEALs, Rangers — have even higher standards.
All combat units have a much different standard. You are absolutely dependent on the people around you to live. It is really hard for people who have never been in a combat unit to understand.
There is no "live and let live." If someone is falling out on a run or a ruck march they are defining the capability of the Unit they are in.
I maxed out the PT tests. That didn't matter at all. Our unit could only infil and exfil to target as fast as the slowest person.
My last deployment they forced us to take women with us because they wouldn't let us search the women in the villages and they would constantly hide things in their vaginas. We tried out several women and several missions were spent waiting for women with plates only and us carrying all their other stuff to keep up.
If you did your job and did everything right, you could still get killed because the person behind you or in front of you fucked up. You are not supposed to say some things. In combat situations almost all women are just unreliable. They are just not wired correctly for what the military needs in a soldier in combat.
This is why Tim Walz was viewed as a traitor to his Unit.
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he got pregnant? I did not know!
DINKY DAU 45 said...
"Price on that maneuver ? and would an email have done same thing? "
I can tell you led anything. Good news or bad news you gather your people in one place and you tell to their face. Now everybody in that room knows exactly what the mission is and exactly what is expected of them. Nobody can claim they didn't get the Email. That's what leadership is.
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