Althouse: "When you say things on a podcast like 'six women, all white, my understanding is you've got a six-pack of white women.'"

May 7, 2025

"When you say things on a podcast like 'six women, all white, my understanding is you've got a six-pack of white women.'"

"Like that's not — that's something that you shouldn't — that no one should be saying as an officer of the Court and a member of the bar, right?"

Said US District Judge Arun Subramanian to lawyer Mark Geragos, quoted in "Diddy trial judge snaps at lawyer for calling prosecutors a 'six-pack of white women'" (Business Insider).

41 comments:

FormerLawClerk said...: He should tell that judge to go suck a lemon. His comments are protected First Amendment utterances. He's an interested observer in this case only.; 5/7/25, 7:19 AM
danoso said...: Guess you could say the lawyer is six-packing these women.; 5/7/25, 7:21 AM
Shouting Thomas said...: How does the prosecution sell the charges against Diddy? I looked into the charges and discussed them with ChatGPT. Didn’t Diddy advertise in his rap music exactly what he’s accused of in this trial? How could anybody who worked or associated with him not know what they were getting into? Diddy told people he was into gangsterism, drugs, whoring women and wild sex parties in his music. In my opinion anybody who worked or associated with him agreed to partake in the revelry. As often happens with this stuff, it might have turned very bad, but it looks to me like the participants were all volunteers.; 5/7/25, 7:22 AM
Ann Althouse said...: ""How could anybody who worked or associated with him not know what they were getting into? Diddy told people he was into gangsterism, drugs, whoring women and wild sex parties in his music."

For the entire history of rap music, we have been told that the artist is adopting a character and exaggerating and telling tall tales about all sorts of outlandish things and that it's unsophisticated to imagine that the artist is actually telling the truth.; 5/7/25, 7:28 AM
Leland said...: I can hear it as derogatory, but I can also hear it as fear or nothing at all. What’s wrong with it? Six is six. Is “pack” the inappropriate part? What if he said that the prosecutors were “a pack of wolves”? Is it because “a six pack of wolves” still makes the wolves sound like something picked up at a package store for the weekend?

I think the Judge is showing an improper bias and should chill out or recuse.; 5/7/25, 7:29 AM
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...: Mark is a master at trying his cases in public. He just is.; 5/7/25, 7:33 AM
RCOCEAN II said...: She's a lawyer and Judge. So why does she sound like a teenage girl?; 5/7/25, 7:35 AM
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...: For the entire history of rap music, we have been told that the artist is adopting a character and exaggerating and telling tall tales about all sorts of outlandish things and that it's unsophisticated to imagine that the artist is actually telling the truth.

And how many dead rappers and rap hangers-on, how many abused and raped women, how many drug busts do we need to convince us otherwise? It's been almost 30 years since Tupac died and the dead and raped bodies have piled up since then.; 5/7/25, 7:36 AM
jaydub said...: Maybe I'm reading this wrong but the judge appears to have said "When you say things on a podcast like 'six women, all white, my understanding is you've got a six-pack of white women,'" i.e., he took the "six women, all white...." and interpreted that as calling them a "six pack of women." Of course, this is Business Insider which is a left wing publication, so who knows what was actually said.; 5/7/25, 7:42 AM
The Vault Dweller said...: I don't think most Lefty White women appreciate how much and how widely they are disliked. I think Garagos does and is probably drawing on that as a supportive of Diddy's defense to put out the idea that white women are targeting a black man. Lefty white women view themselves as engaging in Noblesse Oblige because of the views they hold and their social media presence. They unquestionably think of themselves as the 'good guy.' So they expect to be appreciated, liked, or even loved by the poor, down-trodden, minorities they help by reposting slogans on Instagram and Tik-Tok. That being said I don't know if it is 'outrageous' to refer to the prosecution team as a six-pack of white women. The judge finding it outrageous suggests he is aware of the low level of respect that white women are held.; 5/7/25, 7:42 AM
The Vault Dweller said...: "RCOCEAN II said...
She's a lawyer and Judge. So why does she sound like a teenage girl?"

The judge is a Desi man, presumably of Indian extraction.; 5/7/25, 7:43 AM
Dave Begley said...: Ineffective assistance of TV counsel.; 5/7/25, 7:46 AM
rehajm said...: …so the bar is back to being a high-minded entity of proper judicial behavior this morning? That won’t last long…

…if you want people to continue believe the judicial system is not a corrupt hive of the scum of the earth you need to adopt some consistency…; 5/7/25, 7:47 AM
Rocco said...: Mike (MJB Wolf) said...
“And how many dead rappers and rap hangers-on, how many abused and raped women, how many drug busts do we need to convince us otherwise? It's been almost 30 years since Tupac died and the dead and raped bodies have piled up since then.”

Yes. And when young males play stupid games and win stupid prizes, they are inevitably eulogized as “Aspiring rappers just trying to turn their lives around.”

Not “Aspiring lawyers just trying to turn their lives around.”; 5/7/25, 7:48 AM
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...: Jaydub, check where the quote marks are. It's pretty clear from Althouse's excerpt that the judge is directly quoting Garagos.; 5/7/25, 7:50 AM
The Vault Dweller said...: Also, if the prosecution team was six white men, I don't think the judge would find it 'outrageous' if Garagos referred to them as a six-pack of white men. What's good for the goose is good for the gander and all that.; 5/7/25, 7:58 AM
Christopher B said...: Vault Dweller, good analysis but I'd suggest the judge knows his role is to white-knight for the lawyers. I doubt it was an accident that the prosecution team is all female.; 5/7/25, 8:04 AM
Robert Marshall said...: Regardless of who said what and where, how is it possible that the US attorney managing this case thought it was a good idea to put six white women in charge of what was inevitably going to be a racially-sensitive sex-crime prosecution? I'm all for color-blindness whenever possible, but in this case, that staffing is just plain old blindness.; 5/7/25, 8:07 AM
Temujin said...: I think the phrase, "six pack of White women" is a keeper and will be used as often as possible going forward. I think The Vault Dweller nailed it.; 5/7/25, 8:13 AM
The Vault Dweller said...: While looking for pictures of the prosecution team to see if black twitter might start referring to them as Beckys, I stumbled across this line in an article. "Combs, 55, has been held at a federal jail in Brooklyn since his September arrest. His formerly jet black hair is now almost completely gray because dye isn't allowed at detention center."

Losing his youthful appearance might give Diddy a creepy old man vibe, which might blunt the emotional attack of white women trying to take down a successful black man.; 5/7/25, 8:17 AM
Aggie said...: If there were a dozen white men involved too, sitting on the jury, we'd have a six pack and a box of crackers.

Geragos is doing what he always does, but the judge is signalling that P Diddy has been declared Enemy of the State. I predict escalations.; 5/7/25, 8:20 AM
wendybar said...: Says the white guy who protects disgusting black criminals for a living.; 5/7/25, 8:27 AM
boatbuilder said...: Losing his youthful appearance might give Diddy a creepy old man vibe, which might blunt the emotional attack of white women trying to take down a successful black man.

"Uhhmmm. Maybe not."
----Bill Cosby; 5/7/25, 8:44 AM
Yancey Ward said...: Is Mark Geragos Diddy's lawyer? I know his daughter is one of the lead attorneys but is that really a sufficient connection for a judge to critique Mark Geragos' podcast appearances?; 5/7/25, 8:58 AM
The Vault Dweller said...: @boatbuilder, Cosby was convicted at trial but had that overturned, rightfully, on appeal.; 5/7/25, 9:02 AM
ron winkleheimer said...: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/y3yDv76GULI; 5/7/25, 9:53 AM
Jupiter said...: "Like that's not — that's something that you shouldn't — that no one should be saying as an officer of the Court and a member of the bar, right?"
Well, maybe. But why, exactly? How does it compare to "binders full of women"? Is it the "sixpack"? He could have called them a gaggle. Or a coven. Or "girls".; 5/7/25, 10:32 AM
Jupiter said...: It does seem rather strange, that the DOJ has assembled a team of six white women to prosecute a black thug. There are a lot of female lawyers around, but six of them seems like they were intentionally keeping men off the team. As to all of them being white, I assume that Letitia James wasn't available.; 5/7/25, 10:36 AM
Jupiter said...: "In addition to describing them as "a six-pack of white women," Geragos said the prosecutors mischaracterized a surveillance video where Combs beat his former partner Cassie Ventura in a hotel hallway, saying Combs was upset because she took her phone.

"Have you ever had a situation where your significant other took your cellphone?" Geragos said on the podcast. "And does that take you from 0 to 60 really quick?"

Jesus. Have you seen that video? I don't know how Diddy's lawyers think they're going to get him off if the jury sees that video. Maybe they think they can get it suppressed? Or maybe they think he has a lot of money he won't be needing where he's going?; 5/7/25, 10:43 AM
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Jupiter said...: Case closed.; 5/7/25, 10:47 AM
Tina Trent said...: Ah yes, Garagos rears his ugly head. Clinton consiglieri, represents famous pedophiles, wife-beaters, baby-murderers, and Jussie Smolett. Implicated in extortion charges.

His clients fire him quite a bit more than is ordinary. Apparently, even monied wife-beaters, pedophiles, and baby-murderers have standards.; 5/7/25, 11:35 AM
AZ Bob said...: The articles I've read seem to say that Mark Geragos sat in the courtroom audience in "support of his daughter," Teny Geragos, who is a Combs attorney at counsel table.

The prosecution made a complaint to the judge in a letter that Geragos is trying to influence prospective jurors in his podcast remarks. Clearly the defense is making race an issue and Geragos is leading the charge.

The admonition that Judge Arun Subramanian made to Geragos was made in chambers, not in open court and apparently not on the record. So it would appear that the only person who would leak this in-chambers conference to the media would be Geragos himself.

Which raises the question: Has the prosecution ever heard of
the Streisand Effect?

How many prosective jurors actually listen to the Geragos podcast? Probably none. But now that his Six Pack comment was raised in chambers and subsequently leaked, all of media including the NY Post have run the story.

It was said earlier that Geragos is a master in trying his cases to the public. While this may be true, his success in the courtroom is mixed at best.; 5/7/25, 11:43 AM
loudogblog said...: Decades ago, two local talk radio guys, John and Ken, used to mock Mark Garagos a lot on the radio. One day a reporter from their radio station, KFI, tried to interview Mark Garagos and he said, "I listen to John and Ken on KFI and two bigger idiots you'll never find." They used that sound bite as a radio station promo for years and years.; 5/7/25, 12:02 PM
Rocco said...: How many six-packs to a binder?; 5/7/25, 12:10 PM
MadisonMan said...: I think that's a pretty apt description of the team of lawyers. I mean, you hear it, and you immediately can envision the team, right? Is the truth so objectionable these days?; 5/7/25, 1:43 PM
mccullough said...: Diddy needs The Ghost of Johnnie Cochran.; 5/7/25, 2:17 PM
mccullough said...: The Dirty Half Dozen; 5/7/25, 2:20 PM
Joe Bar said...: The Great Mark Garagos invents a new meme!; 5/7/25, 3:02 PM
Tina Trent said...: Garagos would never say "a six-pack of black women.". He would never say " a six-pack of hispanic women." He would never say "a six-pack of Jewish women."

So what you see with your own damn eyes is true: this is just racial and sexual animosity towards white women. He should be recused from any cases involving white females, or white female judges, or lawyers, or jurors, as he has broadcast extreme prejudice towards them as a group.; 5/8/25, 7:20 AM
Tina Trent said...: Hey Vault-Dweller, pull down the hatch. If you're real. How do you know they're liberal?; 5/8/25, 7:24 AM