That's the 3rd most highly rated comment at the WaPo article "Vance meets with pope as Francis’s Easter message decries ‘logic of fear’/The visit at the Vatican brought together the ailing head of the Catholic church and a high-profile convert who has criticized the pope’s social teachings."
Second most highly rated comment: "I’m surprised Vance didn’t burst into flames."
Most highly rated: "Vance is just one of many fake religious politicians. They run around boasting of their faith, but practice none of the Christian values Jesus and the bible preached."
And here's the "logic of fear" statement in the Pope's Easter message: "How much contempt is stirred up at times towards the vulnerable, the marginalized and migrants. I appeal to all those in positions of political responsibility in our world not to yield to the logic of fear which only leads to isolation from others, but rather to use the resources available to help the needy, to fight hunger and to encourage initiatives that promote development. These are the ‘weapons’ of peace: weapons that build the future, instead of sowing seeds of death."
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This pope is a dope. Pray they pick better next time.
Frightening amount of whitespace at the end of this post, Althouse!
I pray that immigrants are not in fear of trafficking and death from cartel gangs.
"...use the resources available to help the needy, to fight hunger and to encourage initiatives that promote development."
The United States does more of this than any other country in the history of the world, so who exactly is he talking about when he says "those in positions of political responsibility"?
I pray they pick an Italian next time.
Logic of fear is synonymous with trust your gut, no? Sometimes isolating yourself is saving yourself, and perhaps others. He ignores the evil that lurks.
Second most highly rated comment: "I’m surprised Vance didn’t burst into flames."
What must it be like to direct so much hatred at someone you've never met? It must be exhausting.
As a conservative Jesuit-educated Catholic, I think it is a giant mistake for the Pope and institutional Church to meddle in the civil and political affairs of the United States.
Catholic Relief Services got millions (billions?) from the federal government to import illegal aliens into the United States; contrary to American law. We have a border and the government can enforce it.
Yes, there is lots of poverty in Mexico, Central America and South America but that doesn’t mean all the poor people there can move here.
The real problem is the culture of those countries. There’s no reason why they should remain so poor. At one time before WW2, Argentina was as well off as the US.
If I had an audience with the Pope, I would have told him he needs to reconvert Europe. When I was at Mass on Easter Sunday at the Conversion Chapel in Loyola, I can tell you that Spain is secularized. At the town 40 miles away from Loyola, the people that I talked to in the town square had no idea who St. Ignatius Loyola was. I was totally shocked.
"Frightening amount of whitespace at the end of this post, Althouse!"
Oops.
Thanks.
Fixed.
What must it be like to direct so much hatred at someone you've never met?
I don't know. Why don't you ask Achilles, Rusty or Drago (and quite a few others)?
The United States does more of this than any other country in the history of the world
We did do this (although not if you rank foreign aid based on GDP), but Trump is dismantling our humanitarian aid at breakneck pace.
If I had an audience with the Pope, I would have told him he needs to reconvert Europe.
So are you advocating rekindling the hatred and religious wars of the sixteenth and seventeenth century that probably killed as many, or more, people, as a proportion of the population, than WWII?
I read the Pope's Easter message to apply to Biden way more than Trump.
How much contempt is stirred up at times towards the vulnerable, the marginalized and migrants.
Especially when you fling open a country's borders.
(Did the Pope intentionally not pose that as as a question?)
@Dave Begley
Wander around this site, but due note the information gathered particularly about Catholic affiliated charities and what those charities support contra Catholic teaching:
https://www.lepantoin.org/wp/charity-reports/
We did do this (although not if you rank foreign aid based on GDP), but Trump is dismantling our humanitarian aid at breakneck pace
…so on St. Patricks Day the amount of dismantling is so insignificant we should’t bother but on Easter it is so significant it’s creating a humanitarian crisis. Wake me for Memorial Day…
Leftist Democrat Soviet Moron makes a comment on WaPoo.
Fake Christians and Jews are all on the left.
Pelosi
Schumer
Biden..
Clinton
All fakes and frauds in every direction - including their fake faith.
The hate-filled corrupt left and their minions are the real vipers.
Say the people who worship murdering babies in the womb....
What is in their heart is known only to God. We can judge every word, or action, but their final judgement is beyond our power. If the meeting brings good, it was successful. If not, it really doesn't make a difference.
If I had an audience with the Pope, I would have told him he needs to reconvert Europe.
So are you advocating rekindling the hatred and religious wars blah blah blah
I advocate doing anything that Freder doesn't like, because he's a dick.
"...the migrants..." What contemptible virtue-signaling. What a small man.
If corrupt leftist Latin American and South American governments didn't make life miserable for their people - mass Illegal immigrants (imported by Soros funds) would not be illegal immigrants.
Plus - oh leftist POPE - we are a nation of laws.
Leftists have so much imagined virtue compressed inside of them that they believe the people they hate will spontaneously burst into flames when they focus on one of them. And when they don't, they feel compelled to firebomb their Teslas instead.
Sad deal about this Pope - he seems to be a loyal leftist first and a man of God second.
We did do this (although not if you rank foreign aid based on GDP), but Trump is dismantling our humanitarian aid at breakneck pace.
"Humanitarian" should have quotes around it. USAID is the primary example of the type of "humanitarian" "aid" that Trump is dismantling. If you are a fan of CIA meddling in foreign politics, Dem propaganda, and money-laundering on an industrial scale, you will miss the "humanitarian" "aid." If you are a poor resident of a third world nation, nothing will change except that perhaps your country will move in the direction of self-sufficiency.
'Immigrants' are one thing.. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE ANOTHER. I am not against immigration.. I AM AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. As we have seen many murderers, drug runners, rapist, insane, thieves, flat out bums, etc.. did walk across that Southern Border... and they need to be deported back. If they wish to come apply for a visa. I am sure some church would sponsor them (unless, of course they are all into words and not deeds.)
Oh and about Jesus... He and his family did flee to Egypt to avoid King Herod.. but they had A CHEST OF GOLD given to them by the Three Wise Men... and Egypt had not 'illegal alien laws' at that time. They were welcome there as well healed visitors with means.
Did Pope have anything to say about the child rape perpetrated by Islamic males, going on in Islamic Britain?
Are children who are trafficked by the immigration scam - are they part of Pope's marginalized virtue signaling?
Lame lefty schoolyard taunt, "scaredy cat - scaredy cat" for having the audacity to stand up for oneself. Is there no other way to understand others' actions than to simplistically diminish their motivations as fear?
(Nevertheless, I was afraid the apostrophe in the previous sentence may have been incorrect, but Grok assured me otherwise.)
Vance is a believer in Jesus. Get over it.
'Vance is just one of many fake politicians.....'
But people like this commenter would say that anybody that's religious, read 'Christian', is fake - by definition. Bad Faith argument.
Gee-whiz, Pope. Knock down the walls of the Vatican and open your home to migrants. Put your euro where your gob is.
Freder like many who have not read history rail against Christians inn 16th century. They fought because the Ottoman Empire was expanding all the way across Spain in 1470s and to the gates of Austria.
As for VP Vance - a convert is often a very devout person and it would seem that as in the Bible story of Easter it is the women who create so much direction of the family life.
Finally, the USA gives money and protection but as in the Godfather story many people do not wish to acknowledge the good we do or to replicate it. Our allies buy a few airplanes and call that defense spending. Then they try to give away social services - with modest results.
The Left hates Christianity, unless its black or Gay. But mostly they just hate it. They will, however, use it as stick to beat others with. Cf: Aliniksy's rules. Or call Rightwing pols "Hypocrites". Or do phony stuff like say they're great Catholics (Like Biden) or carry an oversize bible around (like the Clintons).
I don't think Trump is religious but he refrains from attacking it, and has praised it publically. IKe was golfer not a Christian, but when he was POTUS, he went to church every Sunday to "Set a good example".
Francis has said these things hundreds of times before, since the beginning of his pontificate. It's telling that the Trumpists have identified themselves as the target.
To quote the Anglican Litany: From the tyranny of the Bishop of Rome and all his detestable enormities, good Lord deliver us.
JSM
Suicidal empathy, Pope version
Ocean: “ I don't think Trump is religious but he refrains from attacking it, and has praised it publically. IKe was golfer not a Christian, but when he was POTUS, he went to church every Sunday to "Set a good example".”
Winston always said he was not a pillar of the church, but a flying buttress, supporting it from the outside.
JSM
I doubt Pope knows about the Democrat-approved child sex trafficking and child-immigrant disappearing act in the US?
I miss the days when a Pope knew the value of a good Crusade.
As for the Pope, he's just a man. And his political views are his own. There have been bad Popes in the past. Some real awful ones in fact. Corrupt, venel, power-mad.
I'm shocked at the current one thinking immigration policy is somehow something the Catholic Church needs to address. I think his time would be better spent on ending the Genocide in Gaza or War in the Ukraine. Or defending the Catholic Faith by telling his archbishops that "Antisemitsim" isnt a sin, and people like Ben Shapiro are not getting into heaven without baptism. Christianity 101.
I HATE WaPoo(D) - but I might subscribe just to comment in the backwards insane liar leftist Soviet Comment section.
I forgot who the Pope was durng WW II, but he pretty much operated behind the scenes trying to help people and bring peace. The Pope didn't have a global microphone back then, and didn't spend every day popping off about every political matter under the sun. Maybe the next Pope can change that.
Trump was arrested for insurrection and blasphemy, pierced, descended, and ascended. He has come again in glory to judge both the quick and the dead. The Trump has risen indeed!
JSM
Iman nails it.
"Gee-whiz, Pope. Knock down the walls of the Vatican and open your home to migrants. Put your euro where your gob is. "
Open up YOUR homes to illegal immigrants, pious leftist loyalists.
RCOCEAN II Are you serious? Hitler's Pope, Pius XII, could have saved the Jews and didn't.
I find it interesting that the number of non-Catholics who care so much and feel they must comment about what the pope has to say. As a Catholic, I don't even know who leads most other denominations and I don't care what they say. If you disagree with the pope, ignore him and get along with your life.
RCOCEAN II said...
As for the Pope, he's just a man. And his political views are his own. There have been bad Popes in the past. Some real awful ones in fact. Corrupt, venel, power-mad.
I'm shocked at the current one thinking immigration policy is somehow something the Catholic Church needs to address. I think his time would be better spent on ending the Genocide in Gaza or War in the Ukraine. Or defending the Catholic Faith by telling his archbishops that "Antisemitsim" isnt a sin, and people like Ben Shapiro are not getting into heaven without baptism. Christianity 101.
4/20/25, 9:07 AM
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Antisemitism is indeed a sin because it is contrary to the Lord’s wishes.
“In everything do to others as you would have them do to you; for this is the law and the prophets.“ Matthew 7:12
It's to the Popes and JD's credit to meet. Joe Rogan talks a lot about the toxicity of playing team politics. He, Burr and Maher talk about the vast silent majority of non-team players they encounter all over America when they tour.
You might want to try it. It calms the sympathetic nerves.
RC Ocean is on the wrong side of history when it comes to Israel. Hamas Nazis - are just that - Nazis.
I've seen a lot of comments like the highest rated one before. I've heard it in real life. Every time I have expressed interest in hearing more it has been revealed that the speaker's opinion is based on a wildly progressive interpretation of what Jesus said or did that tended to be the opposite more or less of what the Biblical meaning.
I have a strong distaste for any political argument dressed up as a religious take. The beauty of the Founding Fathers and our Constitution is that they cited Natural Law as the basis of all manmade laws. Natural Law traces its origin to the Ten Commandments, and are found in the texts of various modern "religions" but is not beholden to any other teachings of the various faiths.
"not to yield to the logic of fear" I promise you, Pope, that I will not yield to any fear of being held in contempt by the likes of you.
Trumpus! Trumpus! Trumpus! Dominus Donaldus MAGAoth!
Pleni sunt terram et coelam tariffem tuam,
MAGA in excelsis!
Benedictus qui venit in nomine populi,
MAGA in excelsis!
JSM
Or in an ecumenical spirit for any lefty Catholic schoolboys out there:
Trump has lied,
Trump's in prison,
Trump will come at ten.
JSM
This is the modern left: Insults and self-righteousness. It's a bad combination, but it's all they have.
Surely Vatican City has enough space and money to house several thousand illegal immigrants. How many is this Pope housing?
The left is all about hate now. Listening to NPR on the drive to the gym this morning and they were celebrating the resistance protests. They aren’t about anything but hating Trump anf their supporters.
What a sweet Easter message for the nation. So positive, loving and hopeful…🌷
"Happy Easter to all, including the Radical Left Lunatics who are fighting and scheming so hard to bring Murderers, Drug Lords, Dangerous Prisoners, the Mentally Insane, and well known MS-13 Gang Members and Wife Beaters, back into our Country. Happy Easter also to the WEAK and INEFFECTIVE Judges and Law Enforcement Officials who are allowing this sinister attack on our Nation to continue, an attack so violent that it will never be forgotten! Sleepy Joe Biden purposefully allowed Millions of CRIMINALS to enter our Country, totally unvetted and unchecked, through an Open Borders Policy that will go down in history as the single most calamitous act ever perpetrated upon America. He was, by far, our WORST and most Incompetent President, a man who had absolutely no idea what he was doing -- But to him, and to the person that ran and manipulated the Auto Pen (perhaps our REAL President!), and to all of the people who CHEATED in the 2020 Presidential Election in order to get this highly destructive Moron Elected, I wish you, with great love, sincerity, and affection, a very Happy Easter!!! ~ Donald Trump @realDonaldTrump
It takes an expert to put that much anger and hatred in a single tweet. Jesus died for our sins, but He may have to come back a couple of more times to cover Trump’s.
Where were all the "bursting into flames" comments on the several times Biden has visited the Vatican? Immigration law is fairly tangential to Christian teaching, but abortion is central to Catholic teaching and Biden is far outside of that teaching.
A organization controlled by a bunch of pedophiles wants unlimited immigration of young boys.
Vance shouldn’t meet with this guy.
If Vance was pro-choice the Times readers would be a lot calmer about meeting the Pope.
I know Vance is Catholic (so what?) and I understand politics (though the political strategy here is unclear) but I still find Vance's groveling to this commie putz to be distasteful, weak, and pointless.
Kak - The left do not deserve a positive drop from anyone.
It's your corrupt team who paid a patsy to take out Trump - and ended up killing an innocent man named Cory. A man you CARE NOTHING ABOUT.
F the left. Happy Easter!
I have mixed thoughts about the pontiff, but he still holds the office, as negligent as he has been in spreading the Word,
which is his one Job
"RCOCEAN II Are you serious? Hitler's Pope, Pius XII, could have saved the Jews and didn't."
You can see why Chutzpah is a jewish word. Is the Pope Jewish? Give me examples of the Jewish community saving Catholics or Russian Orthodox Christians. I don't know how to tell you this, the USSR was killing Catholics and Nazi Germany was putting Catholic Priest in prison. And both were mass murdering the Catholic Poles (not just the Jews).
The Pope had his hands busy trying to make peace, and help Catholics. But for some reason, The Pope was supposed to concentrate on "saving the Jews" because I guess they're special.
"How much contempt is stirred up at times towards the vulnerable, the marginalized and migrants. "
How many "migrants" has the Vatican taken in?
Most of you, obviously, are not Catholics. the pope represents the Catholics in the world and his "words" have real meaning for millions of Catholics all over the world. Yes, he is a man, but a powerful man, who many millions of people look to gor guidance. And, carisco, i think he has been more successful than the prior pontiff in spreading the good word. The Trump Administration is mad because he has shown them for what and who they are, HYPOCRITES. They preach love and religion, but live hate and division. Very un-christian.
My experience of Jesuits has been quite negative. (long story). Pope Francis is a Jesuit, through and through. Jesuit advocacy for things like liberation theology, social justice, and the rights of the marginalized take fragments of Christian theology and absolutize them, placing them on a road to some sort of spiritual destination of heaven on earth that can never be achieved, or even rationally described.
Philo-Jesuits have the burden of proof to demonstrate the wisdom of Jesuit theory, and they can't meet it.
he represents the Faith, poorly, an insipid Faith that demands little, his job is not Depak Chopras, (that jobs already taken)
mccullough said...
"A[n] organization controlled by a bunch of pedophiles wants unlimited immigration of young boys."
But enough about the US public school teachers. This post is about Vance meeting the pope.
Really following Hochhuth's moth eaten diatribe, that Cornwell and company have assimilated over the years, read Gordon Thomas, Pete Eisner, or Mark Weigard (sic)
So, is the theme today people acting like little children?
Does any politician practice the values that Jesus and the Bible preached? Could any country survive that? And do Jesus and the Bible preach one thing? The Book of Books says different things in different books. If Vance is at all sincere in his faith, he may be closer to the mix of Old and New Testament values in historical Christianity than his critics are. "In My Father's house there are many mansions."
If the Left does hate Christianity, it doesn't make an exception for Black Christianity, if by Black Christianity we mean what millions of Africans believe. There's a political alliance between African-American preachers and the Democratic Party, but Christianity in Africa and in the rest of the diaspora isn't party to that agreement.
they do seem stronger in the Faith, leftists have abortion as a sacrament, along with the epistle of climate change and other
related matters,
what did the posts isikoff say so many years ago,
Ampersand said...
"Pope Francis is a Jesuit, through and through. Jesuit advocacy for things like liberation theology, social justice, and the rights of the marginalized take fragments of Christian theology and absolutize them, placing them on a road to some sort of spiritual destination of heaven on earth that can never be achieved, or even rationally described."
Ampersand, none of that crap is central to the Jesuitism. What Dave Burge noted about lefties generally has happened to the Jesuits specifically:
1. Identify a respected institution.
2. kill it.
3. gut it.
4. wear its carcass as a skin suit, while demanding respect.
#lefties
That 88 year old Bergoglio is awash in this shows that steps 2 & 3 have been going on for a very long time.
I want to know who spread the falsehood that "lefties" hate Christians. Stupid, stupid, stupid. That's kind of like the idiocy that there is a war on Christmas. Dumb and ignorant. Where do the ignorant get their news? Joe Rogan? Fox news? NEWSMAX? Ugh...
Leftists hate everything. Themselves most of all.
Malachi Martin's last novel, seems very prophetic, from the perspective of the last 30 years
How many migrants has Vatican City welcomed into its fold? Does it provide food, shelter, medical care, and educational benefits to these less fortunate souls?
when people are arrested for praying in public, see airship one, well that tells you everything you need to know,
Democrats really do hate.
its a gift, it makes them irrational, well perhaps amplifies it,
Remember when this Pope was Catholic? Me neither. He is a left-wing Peronist bringing to the church the ruin Peronism brought to Argentina.
Francis has said these things hundreds of times before, since the beginning of his pontificate. It's telling that the Trumpists have identified themselves as the target.
We identified him as a low-watt socialist a long time ago.
I held out hope initially, but he quickly removed all doubt,
in small gestures, then large ones,
Pope Francis is the Bernie Sanders of popes. No wonder hypocrite libtard Party members side with him. That, and their reflexive anti-American ideology.
People have always hated on Catholics and the Pope.
Maybe, just maybe, Vance is a true Catholic who respects the Pope and will listen? He did put the kibosh on greenlighting Israel to attack Iran. And he didn't sound to keen on the Yemeni attack either from what leaked. JD served (even as just a journalist.) He knows how the troops, and the American people, were played in the Middle East. Trump said he's not big into expanding/creating new wars either. If those two could only keep the billions we spend on other countries wars here, maybe we could start to address some of the domestic issues we have by not securing our own borders while we puffed Israel up with the Iron Dome. Imagine how the IDF will fare if they have to fight a war with a well armed opponent capable of fighting back?
Danno said...
This pope is a dope. Pray they pick better next time.
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Shut up, you savage.
Stay in Florida already and find some happiness as an old man. You have such anger toward Others.
Jersey Fled said...
I pray they pick an Italian next time.
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It'll likely be an African That's where the Church is growing... not in the West.
What an uplifting Easter message from trump huh? Jesus just says in this particular case Father forgive him even if he knows what he is doing! What a curmudeon!
What if the US stops sending billions in weapons to other nations to create more war refugees that end up here? We're full.
Are Usha and the boys Catholic? Is he raising his children in the faith? If not, he likely converted (at her urging) because like so many converts, it seemed a good career move at the time... Heck, even nina's daughter was a Catholic, until she met the Catholic quota at UW Law, had the big wedding in a Church, and then suddenly... she wasn't. The Church never changed. So why did she sign on in the first place? Hm.
I think based on his actions, Vance is in this for the votes, except catholics see right through him. We've seen his type before...
Happy Easter, y'all.
Hugs all around.
"Vance is just one of many fake religious politicians. They run around boasting of their faith, but practice none of the Christian values Jesus and the bible preached."
Standard leftie “logic.” Start with the assumption that all devout Christians are hypocrites, and apply circular reasoning.
RCOCEAN II, Pius XII doesn't owe me anything. He's not my Pope. But if I were a Catholic I would be staggered that the representative of the Holy One on earth lacked the courage to excommunicate all Catholics who cooperated with Hitler.
Big Mike - yes - leftists hate Christians - unless said Christians obey leftist cultist doctrine and diktats.
“It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies…”
—— George Orwell, “1984”
Even the old, crusty ones like Miss Vicki.
Good correction, brad.
They have a point. Vance doesn't even wear sandals.
The pope could not have stopped the holocaust. He did help many Roman Jews survive. Had he tried to do substantially more he would have brought the Nazis down on the Catholic Church. The Nazis were not above killing Catholic priests. Also, at that time millions of people were being killed, and it wasn't at all clear how things would end up. It wasn't as common for people then to view the war years as an especially and uniquely Jewish catastrophe as it became later.
As for the current pope, he doesn't seem to recognize that uncontrolled mass immigration can also be a "weapon" of sorts and not a "weapon of peace" either. "Initiatives that promote development" are also problematic. Build an airport and you're likely to promote outmigration, rather than economic development. The ambitious leave and nothing changes. Or perhaps much changes, and many flee those changes.
Jesuit educated and married to an RCIA Catholic. I am going with VP Vance on this one.
Pretty stock patter from the Pope. I’ve been hearing the same kind of stuff in Catholic churches since I was a child. It could mean anything. The Church was into “climate change” before “climate change” was cool.
Given that it’s a content-driven operation, that isn’t surprising.
When Mark Twain toured Mexico he asked why the poor did not just rob their churches. The Vatican elites have gold dishes, and bitch that the US is not giving the world welfare.
Freder Frederson said...
"What must it be like to direct so much hatred at someone you've never met?
I don't know. Why don't you ask Achilles, Rusty or Drago (and quite a few others)?"
Oh, Freder. I don't hate you. I've never hated you. I just find your striving for intellectual relevance entertaining.
I'm sue if we ever met you'd find me witty and charming and a great person to talk to.
On the logic of fear.
Self-help books distinguish between two types of fear.
The first type is healthy. It is a rational response to a reasonable perception of potential harm. The logic of that type of fear is merely ordinary sensible thought.
The second type adds a layer of self-reinforcing panic onto the first type of fear, and spirals toward irrationality. If you are going to chide people for their "logic of fear", you should try to address why their perceptions of imminent harm have lost touch with reality. If you can't do that, convincingly, then the people feeling fear are probably experiencing plain old sensible rational fear, and you should keep your fashionable progressive opinions to yourself.
I don't know. Why don't you ask Achilles, Rusty or Drago (and quite a few others)?
Right after you look into a mirror, Freder.
I have to admit that leftists do adhere more closely with their ideological leaders like Stalin and Mao, even while pretending they never existed.
but live hate and division.
Maybe Vicki can look into that same mirror.
victoria said...
"I want to know who spread the falsehood that "lefties" hate Christians."
Of course you hate Christians, Victoria. You celebrate their arrest for protesting outside of abortion clinics.
"What you do for the least of you, you do for me also."
Why do you hate babies so much?
It is possible to distinguish between the Faith and the Church. The Church is a human institution and so by definition flawed.
What's the old quip?
The best evidence that the RC church is divinely ordained is that it has survived all its popes.
"How much contempt is stirred up at times towards the vulnerable, the marginalized and migrants"
I'll listen to Pope Francis babble about migrants when he tears down the walls around the Vatican and lets all those migrants in.
Until then he can STFU
It never fails. When someone in the public sphere, particularly the political public sphere dares to emit a peep about their Christian faith or engage in some act of religious signification, all the lefties, who have never cracked open a Bible in their entire lives, purport to tell the rest of us what "real Christians" would/should do/say/believe. When the question is posed, "What would Jesus do?" the lefties are never in doubt and never hesitate to tell us: Jesus would say and do precisely what they would say or do under the same circumstances. Yet if Jesus should pose to them the question He put to Peter, "Who do YOU say I am?" lefties would never, under any circumstances respond as he did, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the Living God." At least not in this life.
" . . . lefties, who have never cracked open a Bible in their entire lives . . . "
Most of my friends are lefties, and much more religious (reading scripture, going to church) than I am. Much more.
OTOH I used to be amused by all the politicians--the lesser Bush notably--who had not thought about Islam for 20 consecutive seconds in their lives before pronouncing on its true meaning as a religion of peace.
It no longer amuses me; now it disgusts me.
The beauty of the Founding Fathers and our Constitution is that they cited Natural Law as the basis of all manmade laws. Natural Law traces its origin to the Ten Commandments, and are found in the texts of various modern "religions" but is not beholden to any other teachings of the various faiths.
On the contrary, the legal/moral principle that “All men are [created] equal,” together with other aspects of “Natural Law,” stem not from the Ten Commandments, nor from Christianity, but rather originated historically in the acts of Stoicism-steeped ancient Roman jurists.
“Malachi Martin's last novel, seems very prophetic,“
As Isaac said, he wants you too Malachi. He who walks behind the rows is waiting.
"RCOCEAN II, Pius XII doesn't owe me anything. He's not my Pope. But if I were a Catholic I would be staggered that the representative of the Holy One on earth lacked the courage to excommunicate all Catholics who cooperated with Hitler."
He should have excommicated all those who cooperated with Stalin. After all, Stalin was the communist that had atheism as their offiical religion and burned down churches and shot priests and other clergy. And then there are the "Good Guys", the "Republicans" in the Spanish civil war that murdered over 6000 Catholic priests and clergy with the silent approval of Spanish liberal/left Government. Those are the people who should have been excomminicated.
@VaticanNews
Pope Francis died on Easter Monday, April 21, 2025, at the age of 88 at his residence in the Vatican's Casa Santa Marta.
Michael McNeil said...
Hmmm. I thought that was Aristotle.
I, for one, find the murder of communist-supporting anyone in Spain during thier communist-originated civil war to be a net positive for the country. How many noncommunists did the communists kill during the Spanish civil war? Google says 110,000 "Republicans" died, while 90,000 "communists" died. Who is the more murderous of those two parties? Spain as a communist dictatorship during WWII would have been very interesting in a negative way for the future of Europe.
Suprise, he did get an audience. Understandably short, considering. Good picture, too bad circumstances kill the obvious meme "Pope Stunned to Meet Actual Catholic". Maybe the Pope's rep (Prelate?) had a serious conversation with Vance but JD talks to Democrats, so this was not an imposition.
the folks who are hypocrites are the ones demanding Christian politicians make policy = empathy when it comes to illegals and criminals and not for their victims, but the minute a Christian politicians cites his or her faith as motivation for some policy the left doesn't like it's Theocracy and Handmaid's Tale. Those crybitches can piss right off.
Hmmm. I thought that was Aristotle.
“Natural law” in science and “natural law” in law/morality are two different things. Read at the link provided—or else read historian Sir Henry Sumner Maine's Ancient Law (1861), downloadable from Project Gutenberg.
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