So writes a commenter at "Want to leave the U.S. for good? How to get dual citizenship. Depending on your ancestry, you could get a second passport and live abroad" (WaPo).
That's a free-access link, so you can see all the other comments that display a shocking thinness of love for one's native land. Imagine being born in the United States of America, then leaving in a huff and running off to a non-place called "all 27 EU countries." Where's the love?!
If you really hate what the President is doing, what good is it to remove yourself and observe from afar? Presumably, you hate him because of what he is doing to hundreds of millions of people, who will remain where they are, victims of his (as you see it) evildoing? Your leaving the premises does absolutely nothing to help. Why would it matter where you are?
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El Salvador is lovely this time of year.
Everyone who hates Trump believes he/she/they/it/what/whatever is Trump's most important target. It's one thing if Trump hates you in the abstract, but what is truly intolerable is the nagging fear that Trump more likely doesn't give a shit about you one way or another. Self-importance is life.
To that prick: Leave now.
Well, bye!
This pope is more likely to burst into flame than Vance.
I suspect that no matter what country one goes to, any instinct or propensity for enmity and hate carried in one’s heart will eventually bestow itself upon somebody - some group- in that new country as well. One’s pride and desire to create enmity travels with.
Or as Ann alludes to, you could stay and patiently try to make your case to your fellow citizens, because you love and are grateful for the process of democracy. Christ is a good example here. John writes “ Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.”
Back in the 60s, someone gave my father a cheap wooden doll of a man smoking a cigarette. If you pushed it down, a little sign would pop out of its head saying "Gonna quit tomorrow."
If you turned the doll around you'd see the man's other hand behind his back with his fingers crossed.
It’s really hard to escape the clutches of the United States. Sure you can go live where your other passport lets you live but to the United States you are still a citizen. Just declaring you don’t like the current President isn’t sufficient to cut ties.
Really, you’re being childish…
I do like the idea of letting this type of person leave easily so long as coming back is very very hard…
Probably an NGO parasite preparing to flee with his or her ill-gotten booty, indulging in a little, last minute virtue signaling on the way out the door.
That's funny, I was thinking the same thing if the Democrats take over again in 2028. Because if they open the borders again, let criminals commit whatever crimes they want to commit, let men hang around our daughters' bathrooms and compete in their sports, then what exactly is the point of being a U.S. citizen? Talk about becoming devalued and disenfranchised by imported aliens and completely alien values...
Amusing. Lots of people stuck around in 1930s Europe until they no longer had options to escape. "Global citizens" are the ultimate sunshine patriots: when things get bad, they leave. Especially the ones looking forward to free homes in Israel. Globalists should be far more fearful of the unilingual, no-passport types who just so happen to have the majority of the guns.
Life in the US is so much better under democratic RULE!
Democratic high crime, mass disease, forced jabs, Fauci, war, the hack Soviet liar press, millions of illegals allowed in, tax payer funding of same illegals while Americans suffer, unfinished civic works - like roads, bridges and airports.
I was out at Denver International Airport yesterday -picking someone up - and what a cluster F. so many unfinished and poorly executed projects out there. The roads are a mess, many interior portions and projects are a mess, the trains inside the airport inside are a mess. Total fraud, waste and incompetence on display. All under total Democratic Rule.
The idiots of CO will still vote for more.
They did manage to move the fake solar panels.
Voting with your feet is entirely valid.
But don't expect a hero's welcome home. You'll always be an outsider afterwards.
If Collectivist whiny Leftist Americans want to self-deport- please stop promising you will - AND DO IT.
Most of the EU countries are headed toward civil war or a slow slide into Islam. So...?
Don't let the door hit you in the ass...
If they’re leaving for good they don’t need dual citizenship.
Worse are the ones who got in here under questionable immigration circumstances, who circumvent the rules every chance they get, and who go abroad and try to pass as non-Americans and badmouth our country every chance they get. You know, like your friend nina. Just... go. Buy your apartment in Warsaw, and stay there travelling to Paris and doing the "work" of feeding yourself and walking all over taking pictures of other people's lives. Just go and stay. You don't have to be miserable with the cats on the table or the chicken scratch on some old man's property you've glommed on too. The daughters married well, they'll be fine. You don't need to teach the granddaughter how to bounce on an old man's lap to secure her future either. I wish those types would stop coming back to take more and more, and to be first! in the car pickup line. Their smugness is overwhelming. You should tell her that...
Bah. Wish them gaia-speed and give them a well-placed kick in their backsides to send them on their way.
The 50 US states probably have more governmental variety than the 27 European countries. We are more lightly governed from Washington than they are ruled from Brussels.
So he/she/Xi leaves? It's call taking out the trash and cleaning up the joint.
Why even take people like this seriously? Man, i hate this crap. These people always bluster "Im leavng the USA, I'm moving to X, I"m outta here".... and they never leave.
They're like some drunk at a bar, forcing you to listen to their idle talk: "I swear, I'm gonna tell my boss to take this job and shove it...just you wait...I'm not gonna take it anymore".
Whoever the commentator at the WaPo is, he'll writing the same crap in 2029.
Who know who the writer is, I'm guessing Irish-American.
It's like leaving Disneyland just because the Main Street parade was boring. The Matterhorn is still running, folks
As for dual-citizens, it shouldn't be allowed. Why should our policy for our country be set by people who have one foot in another country? But 'muricans are so dumb. I'm shocked that thousands didn't go fight in Ukraine and get themselves killed. Because dying for foreingers and letting them help rule the USA seems to be a thing with them.
My Country... Right or Wrong. Famous anti-anti-war slogan of the late 60's.
Biden was the worst president ever for reasons that are well documented. Even so, the idea that I would have sold my house, said goodbye to my family and friends, and moved overseas because Biden or "someone of the same cloth" had been elected president is absolutely bonkers. These people are fanatics. No wonder they identify so closely with, for example, Palestinian terrorists.
I have that EU passport myself, as well as a house in the EU. Personally, I am delighted with much of what Trump is trying to do, so won't be fleeing to escape the USA. I may well move full time to Europe for other reasons of my own. The funny thing is that I do not think these people will be any happier if they do move away. US politics will still dominate their concerns even living in the EU. Also, the EU is not some magical happy place with walkable cities and universal health care. Life in the EU is much like life here, just with less money to spend for most people. People go on their holidays and form these romanticized notions of what other countries are like. Reality is somewhat different.
Democracy means sometimes you win and sometimes you lose and you live with the results either way. I have no respect for people who can’t handle losing and want to run away and hide.
I hope they do, the only contribution they can make to a democracy is leaving it. Our gain will be Europe’s loss.
"Depending on your ancestry, you could get a second passport and live abroad" (WaPo).
Why bother getting another passport? Just go and live there.
That's the way it works here, right? Why should Europe be any different?
Doesn't the EU have enough problem with entitled, non-assimilating radicals moving in?
But, if they let you in, fine by me. But I'd ask them to drop the American half of that dual citizenship.
Since Trump started his second term, I was surprised to learn that the entire world depends on the US. I knew we had a big foot print, but it seems like POTUS is driving the bus.
Dave Rubin was interviewing some South African politician. Apparently shit's pretty bad there. This guy was counting on Trump to get his country all fixed up. I guess if that's the only hope you've got, but sorry buddy, you're not even on the table.
Leaving the US means you don't have a chance to choose the person running the show.
Rosie ODonnell moved to Ireland, and they are already getting tired of her shit. Though politically she does fit in quite well at least in Dublin.
Why flee to Europe when you can just move to NYC and be around plenty of like minded people? NYC, London, Paris, Barcelona,and Dublin all have more in common with each other than they do with their respective countries.
Living overseas made me appreciate the US. If these people want to move, let them. They might learn something.
I didn't appreciate the US until I lived in Europe. We take a lot of things for granted (like the 1st Amendment) and assume that all Western countries are the same. Go ahead and move; it'll be good for you.
Like a lot of Americans, I have ancestral dual citizenship. It doesn't mean I want to go live there. Even if Ireland weren't a complete crap show I wouldn't move. I'm proud to live in Amerikay.
Just classic virtue signaling ...
"If you really hate what the President is doing, what good is it to remove yourself and observe from afar?"
Because in reality it's not about Trump. People like this don't love America. On the contrary, they hate it. Good riddance.
Ha, JaimeRoberto @10:14. We were typing simultaneously.
"Your leaving the premises does absolutely nothing to help. Why would it matter where you are? "
For most people, it's all blather. Most of us plain folk, right or left of center, can't afford relocation, or would prefer not to surrender our creature comforts. My woke relatives may talk about bailing to Canada, or to Scotland, but it's not likely, and if they did, they'd soon be disappointed.
referring back to Barcelona, stillman's little travel log, I though the events there were about the ETA but apparently there was a violent Catalan faction tierra une, which the characters were dealing with in their own way, some better than others, did Vidal end up in Ravenna in the 80s or was that earlier, some like Donna Leone came later to nearby Venice,
Leave...leave now cause Vance is coming... Eight years of Vance!! MAGA!
Some people love the country on their own terms. - See YouTube's "Citizen Kane - Love on Your Own Terms Scene (7/10) | Movieclips"
"I'm gonna take my ball and go home!"
These are totally childish people.
Rosie ODonnell moved to Ireland, and they are already getting tired of her shit. Though politically she does fit in quite well at least in Dublin.
She's a little too bulky to fit in anywhere.
I always thought it would be cool to have more than one passport -- at least until that guy who had four or five got arrested for espionage in some foreign country. I might like to settle somewhere else, not for political reasons, but just because I liked the place, or because I was in the mood for something different, or because I wanted to keep up my language skills. What's the point of getting away if you are still marinated in Trump hatred? Your "Adieu" ought to be focused on where you are going, not on what you claim to be escaping.
But beware. Countries that opened up the door in the 90s have been closing the window since then. They may care more about their own citizens than they care about you and could have you running through hoops collecting paperwork. Your grandparents may have been lucky to get out of Europe before 1914, but they could have made it harder for you to get that coveted foreign passport.
I lived in Europe for most of a decade. I have experienced their "free" medical care, and talked to residents about their "fair" tax structure, and immigration policies. These people thinking about a great life over there are delusional.
It's funny to me that had my father been born Dutch, and a Dutch citizen when I was born, rather than my mother, I would have had no problem getting dual citizenship. At least in the case of the mother, you could be certain of your connection to the motherland.
Also, Europe is already cutting social welfare to fund their military. It turns out that Trump was right when he said that we paying for their welfare state with our military spending.
If they were pro-America they wouldn’t elect the seditious Democrats they elect. One of the mysteries of our times is the inability of so many to see how open borders and TDS, for example, damage the country. Of course, it is possible that they are amoral and/or evil, not just stupid.
They want to go to Europe because they love Muslims.
They loath Trump for forcing them to face the cost of their own welfare states by making them pay their share of defense costs. Really, Europe and Canada, and to some extent, the United States, are run out of Davos. So of course the European caterwauling at having to pay their own way is extremely loud.
"These people thinking about a great life over there are delusional."
Well, they're Democrats, so...
How tiresome. The usual performative social media blather from hysterical Prog women. I’ve seen lots of this in my own circle of acquaintance. The virtue of dual citizenship is that you never have to act on it but can wave that other passport to show how concerned and serious you are.
Washington State abounds with Canadians who have lived here, married here, and worked here for 40 years without ever bothering to change their citizenship. They’ll express their disdain for the US at the drop of a hat yet, somehow, they never go back to Canada. They are wholly American except for this pretension. Some native-born Americans want the same privilege.
If America is so awful, why complain if migrants are deported to more enlightened places, like Venezuela, Mexico, or El Salvador?
The concept of Somewheres and Nowheres works better anyway.
US-born, I emigrated to Canada in 1971 for grad school and became a citizen in 1976. Most Canadians assumed I was yet another draft-dodger, and were thoroughly surprised when I spoke favorably of the US and its goals in Vietnam, which largely succeeded in that Indo-China was the last place into which Communism successfully expanded.
I've had family and close friends there for over half a century, lived in Québec for many years and ended up speaking French with near-native fluency. Back to Québec 3 or 4 times a year, and showing my Canadian passport eliminates any visa or entry problems.
All these show-boaters prattling on about moving to Europe are merely virtue signalling to their American leftie tribe. They have no idea of what's involved in moving to another country. I hold no European passports, but I've worked there so often that you could drop me in the rural parts of any country north of Albania and I could speak the language(s) well enough to get by, except the three Baltic states.
If you can't have that sort of connection with ordinary people, you'll remain but a visitor and seen primarily as a befuddled source of cash.
tcrosse, +1
Also, if the US io irredeemably bad for POCs, why do you keep inviting them? And why do keep claiming you need to flee to places full of white people (at least in the current moment)
"They have no idea of what's involved in moving to another country."
Sure they do. They've seen how it works here- you just show up and get free stuff. They're stupid enough to think it works that way everywhere.
A well laid out argument against dual (or more) citizenship.
I highly recommend the HBO documentary, The Anarchists. You have to watch the whole thing: the documentarian is impressively fair and doesn't manipulate, and there are surprises at the end. He necessarily excludes some details, but he lets his subjects project their own delusions and then experience the consequences. The main subjects are different cohorts of what I call leftitarianism: Ron Paul/Porcfest libertarians, bitcoiners, but also New Age babblers who flee America looking to create a "freedom society," ironically in luxury hotels and fenced villas in the middle of a narco-state. While the core group seems far-right, they are a mix of Ron Paulites and leftists (the political cusp where right meets left, as with PorcFest) who share the belief that "American fascism" and government in general are the problems to rebel against to achieve utopia. It would be easy to mock their flaws and naivety, but the show is better than that.
My brother- and sister-in-law, under the influence of their friends, and all of whom appear to get the entirely off their information from hyper TikTok rants, have said that they're "considering" leaving the US. Unfortunately they have no idea that you can't just DO that. They don't have cash, they don't have property, they don't have ancestry, they don't have skills.
Leaving your country for political reasons is just like telling your parents you are going to kill yourself. Wahhh look at what you are making me do! You will miss me when I am gone! It does not work on me, just go.
You're not an airplane. You don't need to announce your departure.
On Friday I was amazed to hear four separate colleagues talking about having canceled their travel plans "because I'm afraid we won't be able to get back into the country." Two of them are gree-card holding permanent residents who have been here for more than a decade, and the other two are U.S. citizens, and none of them are Hamas-supporting jew-haters.
This is flatly insane, and it is really worrying that educated, intelligent people can so be manipulated so easily by the dishonesty of the news media.
(Is it possible that the news media actually believes some of these things? My default assumption is that it's just strategic lying, but maybe they believe that Trump is going to expel all legitimate green-card holders and deport U.S. citizens whose opinions he doesn't like. That's even scarier).
Another reason I don't regret my vote for Trump.
These people would do little or nothing for their country or fellow Americans, and forget about them fighting for us. More likely to help the enemy.
"Washington State abounds with Canadians who have lived here, married here, and worked here for 40 years without ever bothering to change their citizenship. They’ll express their disdain for the US at the drop of a hat yet, somehow, they never go back to Canada. They are wholly American except for this pretension."
Australia's the same, but with New Zealanders.
The first line of the US Citizenship oath reads: "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; "
Dual citizenship is not a renunciation nor abjurance of loyalty to anyone or any other country. When one cannot completely leave or refuse to join another, one should not become a member of the US citizenry. Dual citizenship should be illegal.
Some citizenships are like the Catholic Church or the Mafia. You don't get to resign, only fired. i.e. Argentina, Iran, and China.
This is flatly insane
Academia is full of marks who haven't realized their role in the game.
As an immigrant now citizen, first I'm a dual citizen, not by choice but the Cuban government doesn't accept anyone born in Cuba renouncing their citizenship. That said, I'm with Old and Slow. The purpose of having an EU passport for an American is only to be able to stay in an EU country for more than ninety days in a year. For some, that would be nice. However, you still have to pay US taxes on income no matter where it comes from. For those mewling Leftist, let them go, who cares but they still have to pay US taxes and if the US doesn't have a tax treaty with that country, then you are screwed.
Didn't a number of Hollywood celebrities colonize a part of Canada after Trump was inaugurated? I swear I heard them say they were leaving if Trump won.
Indigo Red said...
The first line of the US Citizenship oath reads: "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; "
Dual citizenship is not a renunciation nor abjurance of loyalty to anyone or any other country. When one cannot completely leave or refuse to join another, one should not become a member of the US citizenry. Dual citizenship should be illegal.
Absolutely agree. I took that oath, and get frustrated when people talk about ‘dual citizenship’. This is a sign of deceit at a very high level. You are not a US citizen part of this Republic, even though you may hold a US passport.
4/20/25, 5:03 PM
A childless by choice couple thinks of nothing but themselves and these days a LOT of people are going childless by choice.
If you only care about yourself why would you have any loyalty for the land you were born in?
It's easy to move when the most important question is "what's in it for me?"
Wait until they see the EU rules governing, well, every damn thing anyone does, thinks, says, feels, or dreams.
I wonder how many people want to leave not because of the insanity of politics but because of the insanity of everyone constantly talking about politics in the most insane ways.
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