"Once the fire receded from the fabled thoroughfare, locals described seeing banks, such as the historic Bank of America building, cafes and supermarkets levelled by the blaze. 'The whole Palisades is done,' Michael Payton, store director of the Erewhon supermarket chain, told the LA Times. “The whole town is done. This is complete devastation.' Residents of the Palisades have gathered at police blockades begging to be let to assess the damage to their homes, according to the paper...."
From "LA fires live: five dead in California as satellite captures destruction/Flames tear through homes and buildings in the Pacific Palisades and surrounding counties — as Sunset Boulevard is destroyed" (London Times).
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93 comments:
How amazing is it to see “The Day of the Locust” brought to life?
Since 9/11, I’ve been living through a series of events that are Biblical in scope.
I listened to some NPR yesterday and climate change has been tagged as the cause. The reality is that CA mismanages its vegetation, water supply and fire departments. The big reality is that the wind made this fire nearly impossible to contain. An Act of God. The Left, however, doesn’t believe in God and that’s why climate change is blamed.
Dems will continue to win elections in CA. Just watch.
The only 'climate change' was that LA is a desert that came to be inhabited by 20 million people. It imports water for everything, to include its many golf courses, swimming pools, and the Disneyland water rides. There was apparently no water left for the fire hydrant system.
Unfathomable destruction with no end in sight. How much of LA will survive this? Reminiscent of Chicago…
People in London don’t know how long Sunset is. Also, there are fires in Southern California every year, but this time it’s Climate Change.
I was reliably told for decades that because of climate change, the Pacific Palisades would be under water by now. Massive fires caused by the Santa Anna Winds are historically recorded going back 150 years. Progressives need to learn history, so maybe they’ll quit repeating it,
"People in London don’t know how long Sunset is. Also, there are fires in Southern California every year...."
The London Times is quoting the L.A. Times: " 'The whole Palisades is done,' Michael Payton, store director of the Erewhon supermarket chain, told the LA Times. “The whole town is done. This is complete devastation.' Residents of the Palisades have gathered at police blockades begging to be let to assess the damage to their homes, according to the paper....""
Shrugging that off as London ignorance isn't apt.
That’s from only one of six fires raging north of LA. As of this morning have any even been contained? And they can’t have been started by lightning strikes if, as people say, there’s been no thundershowers.
" Progressives need to learn history, so maybe they’ll quit repeating it,"
For progressives history started five minutes ago.
Also, Texas should brace for an influx of California regressives .
I know for sure that I'm a woman but I also know, for sure, that I'm not a fire fighter or scientist. I don't understand why, when it comes to putting out fires, water from the ocean can't be used for the big flying plane tankers to use. I would think that large salt water storage tanks could be staged and available in this kind of horrible emergency.
Probably, but what happens when the people in these areas can't rebuild because they're stuck in the building permit process and can't get insurance?
Do they stay in CA, or does CA turn red and some purple state turn blue?
If winter/ spring turn wet, the mud slides will be bad this year...
"The iconic Sunset Boulevard has been left as a mishmash of charred buildings and devastation by the Palisades fire. Sunset , as referenced here, is 1.5 to 2 miles long. Yes, it is destroyed, and it is the most iconic part of a famous Boulevard. It also is 22 or so miles long, from central LA, near the train station, to Santa Monica.
Wife was watching Fox News when they ran a clip — apparently taken in a jetway — of a reporter asking tough questions of LA mayor Karen Bass
Reporter: "Do you owe citizens an apology for being absent while their homes were burning?"
"Do you regret cutting the fire department budget by millions of dollars, madam mayor?"
"Have you nothing to say today?"
"Have you absolutely nothing to say to the citizens today?"
"Elon Musk says that you're utterly incompetent. Are you considering your position?"
"Madam mayor, have you absolutely nothing to say to the citizens today who are dealing with this disaster? No apology for them?"
"Do you think you should have been visiting Ghana while this was unfolding back home?"
She makes no response as she stands there in shocked silence with a total deer-the-headlights expression. Must be a foreign reporter — an American journalist would know better than to ask tough questions of a DEI hire.
(N. B. The amount Bass took from the fire department’s budget was $17.6 million.)
Because of the salt.
Salt water corrosion
It's been crazy here in Socal. We got snow overnight Monday in the San Bernardino mtns and fire wind warnings for Tuesday onwards. Wind gust of 75 to even 100mph have been reported. That means a fire can carry embers that burn down buildings a mile away. An arsonists get into the act when we have conditions like these.
But these aren't unheard of conditions. Socal is a place where our averages tend to come from extremes.
North of Pasadena is also getting hit crazy bad.
I'm thinking of transferring inane YouTube California fire news coverage commentary to a traditional Yule Log video format.
If she had any dignity she would resign but she's a democrat so that will never happen. She'll be blaming Trump in 5,4,3............
Mike Solana on X: “Global warming ate my homework” doesn’t work anymore.
+++ what Enigma said. And Dave. And Leland. And the Captain.
It's like flood insurance, it's basically uninsurable. All the policies go bad at once, where insurance works by distributing risk over a large base that doesn't all go bad at once. The lucky ones pay for the unlucky ones and everybody stays in business.
Government flood insurance is a transfer of wealth to the original owner by raising the value of the property, but that's just part of the cost to subsequent owners. Without insurance you just don't build expensive stuff there.
Chaparral country is designed to burn. It's part of its life cycle.
Several were started by embers from the first fire, carried by the hot dry Santa Ana winds.
Those "Super Scooper" aircraft require still water because of how low they fly. The helicopters can and do suck up ocean water to spray over flames.
Where are all those displaced home owners going to go? The number of homes destroyed must be in the thousands. Is Newscum going to deport the illegals to make room for the now homeless Californians?
Friends and family in the Inland Empire have been without power since noon yesterday and SCE warns that may continue through the weekend. Here's an occasional reminder to global warming fanatics that it is cold, not heat, that tends to kill the vulnerable, and I can attest to the fact my friends there are cold.
LOL!
thanx Capt BillieBob! i needed a good joke to ease my mind!
My cousin lived in Santa Barbara; she was evacuated, and is(was) apparently Ok.
She had a house last time she saw it.. Will be interesting to find out if she still does
I'm in Venice, pretty crazy last couple days.
Since California paid so much in taxes for climate change, just HOW did this happen?? Do you REALLY think giving more money to corrupt politicians is going to change the weather??
Headline is very misleading. Sunset runs from east hollywood to the beach. "Iconic" part is in Weho, Palisades is a long way away.
I know it’s not a time for humor, however watching the coverage of the fire from my location in Uganda on CNN, They detailed the mayor’s frantic effort to return to LA I turned to one of traveling companions and said “where is she”? Uganda? It took an internet search to reveal that I wasn’t off by much.
With any luck, this will prove to be an ideological "extinction event" for California Democrats.
Bass looked like she had been sedated when she was confronted by the reporter. Back in 2020 she almost became Biden's VP pick.
It's an act of physics. Christians don't understand physics
The water tanks and supply systems are undersized for fighting a fire of this magnitude. It's not a water shortage problem it's a engineering flow capacity problem.
They’ll blame Global Warming. They’ll blame Donald Trump. The people who have not left California for saner states are clearly unusually gullible. The Democrats will not merely survive; they shall thrive.
50’percent of these fires are set in homeless encampments. There is also a lot of arson happening. I’m working in Garden Grove right now and nobody gives a damn. Just like the governor and every elected official in LA.
Glad your cousin is OK, hope her house survives the devastation. It's unfortunate she has to suffer under the democrats failed policies. Even if she's a democrat. I wouldn't wish this level of suffering on anyone, well maybe a few more or less. The really unfortunate part of this catastrophe is those responsible will never be held to account.
This is nothing. Just wait until the next great earthquake hits Southern California.
When has Venice not been crazy?
They told me Biden was going to leave scorched earth on his way out....
She’ll run and be re-elected by the same 10 percent margin.
A guy on X took video of the electric wires across from his house arcing and sparking in the trees. He called 911. When they finally answered, long story short, he was told to call when the trees actually started on fire.
How many terrorists does it take to start a fire?
I am amazed that the death toll is so low. What an absolutely dreadful thing to live through.
I've been reliably informed from friends on the ground there that the current Santa Anas are dry as usual, but freaking cold.
I've shared this before, but I lived on the north side of San Bernardino for 26 years before moving to south metro Atlanta. We lived through several major fires, including one that burned several of my offices and almost burning my home near Cal State University. It's awful to experience.
The tops of the palm trees explode, sending embers in all directions and causing additional palm trees to explode. The winds send big trash dumpsters (not just trash cans) rolling down the street creating an additional hazard. Driving visibility is reduced to near-zero.
I lived in Southern California for over 60 years and left a few years ago. It is my very strong belief that in the last 10-15 years many of these wildfires are either started or propagated to multiple places by arsonists. There are clear patterns of circumstances and conditions that no longer can be attributed to natural events or accidents. Yes, such fires often broke out during Santa Ana wind conditions, but they most often were localized. Now every time it seems that 5 or more locations widely spread from one another also break out, sometimes almost simultaneously.
In the same time period, I would also note the increase of such multiply-generated wildfires in many other places around the world, including Canada, Greece, Australia and elsewhere. And no, I don't think God or climate change are responsible.
Hey Howard, why is it that the scientist to study climates of the past, through proxies like the bark of Redwood trees, for example, all say that wildfires were much worse in California for several centuries, pre-contact? Did you know that? I thought that you were somewhat versed in geology, it seems like a point you might take into account.
I lived in the Palisades for a few years in the 80s. Watching my high school burn on YouTube was surreal. All the stories are going to be about the celebrities who lost their homes (and there are lots of celebrities in the Palisades), but most of the town is middle-class and older...people who bought their homes in the 60s-70s before real estate values took off, and the equity in their homes is the entirety of their wealth. Many lost their insurance recently. The financial loss for them is beyond devastating.
Video: two men and their dog reenact “it’s fine” burning dog meme
Oh no...
From the UK Daily Mail:
Headline - "Photos show Hunter Biden's Malibu home burned to the ground by LA fire"
First paragraph - "Hunter Biden’s $15,800 Malibu rental home has been razed by the Pacific Palisades Fire, DailyMail.com can reveal."
A few paragraphs later - "The house is one of several Malibu rentals Hunter has occupied in recent years. "
Anyway
"Chaparral country is designed to burn. It's part of its life cycle."
That's what the science says, if anybody bothered to read it. We have proxies to measure it going back thousands of years, and this is the plain truth.
Are you implying that the cause of the Palisades fire was crack pipe?
Folks.. does anyone here know what the word Palisades means? Wall of a fence of wooden stakes fixed in the ground, forming an enclosure or defense... yea that wall of sticks really helped LA county... it burned.
Vote all Democrats out folks... they are taking this country to self destruction.
No question about it.
Bass had wanted to take $26 million ((IIRC), but settled for the $17.6 million.
Freaking cold? Supposed to be 71 in San Bernardino today. I'm at 5500' and it'll be in the mid 50s. Wind chill makes it seem colder but still just chilly
what happens when the people in these areas can't rebuild because they're stuck in the building permit process and can't get insurance?
Good theory here from a guy who knows.
We are in the mtns and lost power at 4am. But it was a low of 35 last night. So cozy blanket weather
We are in the mtns and lost power at 4am. But it was a low of 35 last night. So cozy blanket weather
She looked stunned.
No podium to walk away from, no handler to clear the room, no limo to get into..."what do I do now?!?!"
The current fires are a result of a very dry (no rain and low humidity) season coupled with a late Santa Ana winds, which are a warm weather dry wind coming from onshore rather than from the ocean. Any small fire can explode rapidly into huge with the 50-90mph gust making early fire response impossible. It moves so fast before anything can be mobilized. Including getting crews from other departments and aircraft
Excellent points.
I've been in about 8 mandatory evacuation zones in my Socal life, and was in a evac warning for much of September. It's just what people here have to deal with. No hurricanes or tornadoes though
Son, DIL and grandkids live in the hills above Van Buren in Riverside. Winds have been very strong, but no power loss a/o today.
"... people who bought their homes in the 60s-70s before real estate values took off, and the equity in their homes is the entirety of their wealth. " Yep, those are the poor people I feel sorriest for. Especially those that scraped by for years and planned on selling those homes for great profit as their nest egg. Pro tip: If insurance companies won't cover you (thanks to the State's refusal to allow for profit) and the vast majority of your wealth is in a vulnerable asset.... get the hell outta there.
Some residents are very upset…
https://x.com/TiffMoodNukes/status/1877041104052216183
Yesterday I drove home (4hrs) from a work event in Santa Barbara. Nicer drive than I expected but definitely bad out there. Small fire by the highway in Ventura county made for a couple miles of stop and go. No traffic at all going through Pasadena, extremely unusual for the time. Of day. Stop and go again as I got into San Bernardino county because of very high winds near I15. I passed at least a dozen semis that were on their sides.
I was right — Sky News is a British outfit.
A palisade can also be a cliff. New Jersey has the Palisades facing New York City. Southern California has them facing the ocean. A little over a century ago there was almost nothing at Pacific Palisades. A tiny fishing village, a McCormick estate, a movie back lot, plenty of empty hillsides. A Methodist minister bought the land in 1922 and started subdividing it. Movie stars moved in. Marvellous modern architecture. The General Electric Showcase House where Ronald Reagan lived.
"Any small fire can explode rapidly into huge with the 50-90mph gust making early fire response impossible. It moves so fast before anything can be mobilized." Right. Conditions: known. Dangers: known. Effects: predictable. Response: futile. Lesson: don't live in a place not fit for human habitation. If you do decide to live there, accept the risk, the cost, the loss yourself.
My only quibble is that Climate Change IS their (cargo cult) religion. Most likely our Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc probably looks as silly to the Climate Changists, as their Cargo Cult based religion looks to us.
Which begs the question. Why isn't there any water to fight these fires?
“If she had any dignity she would resign but she's a democrat so that will never happen.”
Heck. If she had any real dignity, she would have committed Seppuku.
I think that, legally, that is call de facto, or effective, eviction. Can’t remember which one. Maybe Hunter does - he has a HLS degree. In any case, his obligation to pay rent ended when the house burned down.
The current LAFD chief said that diversity is her top priority.
I would have picked putting out fires as my top priority, but I am one of those icky, old white guys with a STEM background, so what do I know?
Liberals in Progressive sects place their faith in the performance of human rites for climate stasis... fair weather and other purposes. Diversity is a euphemism for class-disordered ideologies, including: racism, sexism, ageism, etc. DEI is a critical policy initiative to follow the Diversity, Equivocation, and Incompetence (IED) progressive path and grade ("slippery slope').
Dave Begley said...
"Dems will continue to win elections in CA. Just watch."
People on X are pointing out the similarities between SoCal and Maui. Lefties are shrieking about climate change and how the fires are so hot, they destroy underground pipelines. Not true. Above ground fixtures are damaged, which drastically reduces water pressure, and causes the underground conduits to be contaminated, as has happened in Maui, but the pipes themselves haven't lost any physical integrity.
Says I, if the voters in CA aren't outraged, they aren't paying attention.
"Lesson: don't live in a place not fit for human habitation"
Known? These homes that burned aren't new. Some buildings are from the early 20th century. These things that happened are rare in this intensity. This is historically bad. Like a bad tornado that wipes out a whole town. Everywhere has disasters. It's like saying don't live in Florida because of hurricanes, the New York because terrorists, Midwest tornadoes. Everyone should live with you in your underground bunker?
John McPhee wrote about chapparal, fires and mudslides in LA in the 60's. "The Control of Nature." (A wonderful book).
It's not like they didn't know about this.
I don't think there's any plausible way they can hang Trump for this, but there are many creative minds out there. Perhaps they'll find a way......We're blessed. If there had been an open Democratic Primary, Newsom probably would have won it and then gone on to win the general election. He did an interview yesterday. His coif was not damaged by the fire, and he seemed poised and in charge. His words were a fine blend of haze and nada, but they didn't sound like a word salad. He doesn't have a gift for management or public administration, but he's good at politics......Karen Bass, on the other hand, looked especially lame. I think a lot of the criticism will be directed at her, and Newsom will skate. He might someday be President.
This is called reporting the old-fashioned way. The reporter caught her on the jetway getting ready to board her plane, and there was literally no place else for her to go. Normally, the personal security detail hustles all the awkward situations out of the way, well in advance of any rolling cameras. He got very lucky and made the most of the situation. This is what ought to be happening every day, because this is the only way accountability is enforced. Our vaunted elected officials have made hiding from confrontation with the public a valuable career skill.
Salt water corrosion
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so why not recycle mud from slides for remediation??!! as nature intended
Salt water corrosion
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so why not recycle mud from slides for remediation??!! as nature intended
I was right — Sky News is a British outfit.
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sky news is fox news in alternate universe
Sky News Australia is an Australian conservative news channel owned by News Corp Australia. Originally launched on 19 February 1996, it broadcasts rolling news coverage throughout the day, while its prime time lineup is dedicated to opinion-based programs featuring a line-up of conservative commentators
50’percent of these fires are set in homeless encampments.
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astute and Cloward–Piven-ly
The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven. The strategy aims to utilize "militant anti poverty groups" to facilitate a "political crisis" by overloading the welfare system via an increase in welfare claims, forcing the creation of a system of guaranteed minimum income and "redistributing income through the federal government"
in Superman remake will LexLuthor go for nuke strategy or fire strategy
can Superman huff and puff back Santa Ana
I probably first learned from Swiss Family Robinson! book/movie
or was it stockade?
they have some footage to sell for next disaster movie!! can buy new house
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