Writes John Sexton (at Hot Air)(with lots of quotes from NYT readers).
Here's the Goldberg column: "Ibram X. Kendi and the Problem of Celebrity Fund-Raising."
[I]n 2020, when there was a sudden rush to fund racial justice work, so much money — some but not all from corporations seeking good P.R. — flowed to the charismatic Kendi, who had little evident management experience, to build something from scratch.
“Once the center was established under the near-total control of a single individual, there were many conscientious, talented, dedicated people who came there because they recognized it as a site of power,” Spencer Piston, a Boston University professor who until recently served as faculty lead in the Center for Antiracist Research’s policy office, told me.... “Tens of millions of dollars were flowing in, and there was lots of prestige, and they thought this would be a chance to do some good.”
If we're going to do critical race theory, let's not hold back when the insights are inconvenient. Lavishing money on an unprepared — but charismatic — black person and then treating him like a naif when he fails to perform according to existing conventions — that too is racism... under the theory.
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Your last comment is spot on.
I've seen Kendi's book in the front window of the bookstore across from Trader Joe's. I wonder if it's still there.
I don't think this counts as a failure. The companies that donated the funding got what they wanted out of it (the PR). A bunch of people got good salaries for a couple of years and the resume-enhancement that goes along with being part of a fashionable leftist NGO. And the underlying problem (unrelenting, violent racism in America that stifles black achievement) remains untouched, thus justifying the investment of even more money in this cause in the future. Win-win-win.
Keep in mind the corporations tripping over each other to throw ever higher dollar amounts to these grifters got what they wanted out of the bargain...
Apropos of nothing: many of said corporations have activist investment companies as major shareholders- Blackrock, State Street et al...
"NY Times columnist Michelle Goldberg has written a defense of Ibram Kendi
WOW! that is a surprise!
it was unconvincing? WOW! that is an Even BIGGER surprise!!!
What's next? we get stories like: "Dog Bites Man?" oh! never mind
Ibram Kendi is a con artist. Take the money and run. But let's not pretend it's not his fault. It was his plan.
Liberals will piss everyone's money away on the snake oil du jour. Wind, Solar, DEI, Ukraine, bloated salaries for the Administrator of the Holy Shitbilly. It's really all the same scam.
Of course it's racism. She expects less of the black man. Like he's brilliant enough to see the problems other people have, but too stupid to use some of his millions to hire a manager.
Couldn't agree with you more: Michelle Goldberg is a racist and works for a racist organization.
Kendi conned everyone by overvaluing his product. He needs to lose everything.
Kendi is a clear cut Marxist.
Goldberg is a "good" liberal who sympathizes with Marxists.
What else is new?
I don’t think the problem is with Goldberg, who is a decent writer
No, Goldberg's not a "decent writer". At the level she's operating at she's a borderline adequate writer, and she's a very poor thinker at any level. She preaches to the Liberal/left Choir, and she probably got her job there because she knew somebody in management.
And because she's a woman.
BTW, look at the number of Jews and other minorities writing for the NYT's. Then look at their percentage of the population. Now, that's racism. What other reason could there be for Goldberg getting a NYT's column? Remember Bill Kristol? He got a NYT's column too. If these people were great, you could say it was merit. But they are NOT.
1) Loury and McWhorter have had some things to say about Kendi over the past couple years or so.
2) Sexton claims the quality of Goldberg's prose is dependent on the subject matter. This makes no sense to me, but perhaps he's trying to be kind. I have no opinion of her writing, stylistically, but she strikes me as a typical lefty crackpot.
If the left wasn’t so driven by fads and celebrity, this wouldn’t have happened. .... But Goldberg’s readers just aren’t buying it.
The only reason Goldberg's readers aren't buying it is because, fundamentally, she is blaming them. If she had come up with an equally unconvincing explanation that blamed it on a couple of MAGA hat wearing whites wandering the streets of Chicago at two in the morning carrying a rope and bleach that would have lapped it up.
It's not the car thieves' fault for stealing all those Kias. It's Kia's fault for making them to so easy to steal.
I just wrote this to a colleague who had emailed to say "How did you know?" when the Boston Globe story came out (because I've been saying that Kendi and Robin D'Angelo are a scam artists since they appeared on the scene, and that had caused some squabbling back in 2020).
>>The question isn't how did I know so quickly that 'Ibram X Kendi' [Henry Rogers] was a scam artist, but why you and all the other educated and intelligent people couldn't see what was right in front of your faces.<<
Setting aside the fact that his thesis is logically incoherent and there's no actual argument in his book, the name change was what gave it away because it violates a useful rule of thumb: Never trust public figures who have changed their names. At the very least they are trying to sell you something. (See de Blasio, Bill [Warren Wilhelm]; Romney, Mitt (Willard), who also runs afoul of another rule of thumb: Never trust a man who wears hair-gel. Oh, also Stalin, Lenin, Hitler...
Very interesting Ms. Althouse but I'm not going to read about either one. You did it for me, so thanks. Both are hateful anti White grifters in my opinion and I DGAF about giving either any of my eyeball time. Further, may a pox afflict both those people.
Michelle Goldberg is a joke. BUT - last night I saw two things I thought were connected: The riots and looting in Philly, and "Raj" on the The Big Bang Theory, telling the three "nice" white guys they're being racist, and it was played for laughs - for the enjoyment of their white audience members, presumably. I thought it was evidence America's lost the race argument, and doesn't know it.
Denying reparations, to me and many other blacks, is denying there even IS an America.
All there is, without it, is bad commercials, ignorant immigrants "believe" in.
Come on, say it with me...schadenfreude.
Like he's brilliant enough to see the problems other people have, but too stupid to use some of his millions to hire a manager.
This is the Kendi who wrote of wanting to throttle a woman for being (racist-ly) dismissive of his young son, isn't it? Brilliant - or just full of feelings?
This is after all the same Michelle Goldberg who thinks Dreams of My Father is great literature. If that's her standard, I think it points to her expecting less of all black people.
"The left did in fact get back at square America by corrupting her children."
"Square America" has been racist, sexist, and unwilling to compromise - stayed that way, pretty much, through Reagan - and now they demand (demand!) to be seen as our good guys. Oh well.
When it comes to historical hypocrisy, and other crazy shit, America's just turtles, all the way down,...
Douglas Murray and Matt Taibbi ate Michelle Goldberg and Malcolm Gladwell alive in debate.
She came off as just silly.
I am guessing the majority of the dollars donated are in bank accounts in various shell companies tied to Kendi's family, with the rest of it donated to the proper authorities to make sure no one investigates the embezzlement.
Goldberg may be a "decent writer", but she is also a predictable, left-wing moonbat.
To paraphrase Yoda, "The soft racism of low expectations is strong in Michelle."
"Lavishing money on an unprepared — but charismatic — black person and then treating him like a naif when he fails to perform according to existing conventions — that too is racism... under the theory."
Well, yeah, if you are lavishing money on some big-mouthed moron, and the only reason is that he's black, I'd say that's racist. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
"This is after all the same Michelle Goldberg who thinks Dreams of My Father is great literature. If that's her standard, I think it points to her expecting less of all black people."
Bill Ayres is not black. But then again, I think he did a pretty good job, given the material he had to work with.
Kendri, BLM, Mad Maxine Waters, and others who rose during the Trump administration were previously kept in the crazy closet by the Democratic Party. When Hillary lost and when every "disqualifying" accusation washed off Trump, the Party let Kendri and his ilk loose. They all put plastic smiles on their faces, bowed down for prayers in the Capitol, and swallowed pigs whole.
Without Trump and if Hillary won, the "Occupy Wall St." and AOC wing of the party would have split off in 2017. With Trump, they were given the reins in the early Biden administration.
People will stop smiling and supporting them if and when it affects their wealth and/or security. Wealthy people are voting with their feet by moving out of blue states and cities -- setting up blue areas to be "Escape from New York" hellholes for the foreseeable future.
I expect a centrist or center-right political coalition to take firm control when Trump leaves the stage, or may push him off the stage. Then, they'll govern with moderate firmness for 40 years. Look at 1946 Germany until E. German reunification in the 1990s for the likely model.
Kendri will then be sent to the crazy clown wilderness.
Hmmmm. "Systemic" racism apparently means not-visble-to-the-naked-eye racism.
Almost impossible to see, almost impossible to fight for that reason. But plenty to grift from.
This is the Kendi who wrote of wanting to throttle a woman for being (racist-ly) dismissive of his young son, isn't it?
Different grifter; that was Genius T. Coates.
Maybe the Long Island Mom can run Kendi over. Jonathan Van Ness too.
Critical Racists' Theory (CRT)
Diversity (i.e. color judgment, class-based bigotry), Inequity, Exclusion ("=") (DIE)
Reparations (i.e. redistributive change) from a deceased government for miscarriage of slavery and diversity a la progressive constitution of South Africa conceived in the woke (sic) of a transnational demand for natural resources, and a preexisting conflict between Mandela's Xhosa and Zulu competitors in progress.
Obama's book was "Dreams From [not 'of'] My Father."
Kendi is just an extreme example of B/black privilege in academe. In any discipline, a marginally qualified POC will be paid more than non-POC peers by 10-20% (more for the actually competent).
Seems to me that he took advantage of a mood in this country to line his pockets. I may not be exactly gleeful but I did smile when I heard about the centers troubles. Teaching kids that they are to blame for slavery makes about as much sense as teaching them that Jesus died 2000 years ago for their sins.
"Kendi’s mistakes..."
Well, there it is. That's what happened. He made a mistake. Nothing to see here.
Dogma and Pony Show said...
."And the underlying problem (unrelenting, violent racism in America that stifles black achievement) remains untouched, thus justifying the investment of even more money in this cause in the future. Win-win-win."
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Yes! Why, just yesterday hundreds of white teenagers ravaged downtown Philadelphia, looting black-owned stores and fighting with the black poh-lice-----oh wait....
SNORT
Are you telling me an aggressive AG/DA with a vendetta couldn’t bring a charitable fraud charge against AXK like James did to Trump in NY?
From one of the comments: Moreover, he refuses to publicly debate people who disagree with his views. He dismisses any criticism as racist (or at least perpetuating racism), in a self-enclosed logic that brooks no dissent. All of this is highly unusual in a university setting.
It's actually the norm, sadly.
Next thing, you'll find out those indulgences from the church don't work either. Huh.
They said this was a family deal, and we got scammed? I can only hope it doesn't mean war this time.
As for Rogers, he's just another victim of over inflated expectations. That's not a HIM thing, that's a YOU thing. Nobody made you buy that pig in that poke, Michelle. It looked like a Birkin bag, but it was fake. Poor you.
Denying reparations, to me and many other blacks, is denying there even IS an America.
Go get them from the Africans who captured your ancestors and sold them into slavery.
Poor Michelle, now she has to navigate the tricky waters of 'Coulda told ya that a loooong time ago' and somehow convince herself she wasn't Chumped.
You were Chumped, Michelle, but you knew you wanted to be - if that's any consolation. We coulda told ya that, too.
Saw her and Eric Dyson in a Monk Debate. Neither one rose above mediocre in the thinking department. Her writing is as unsurprising as her "debating" skills.
If that's her standard, I think it points to her expecting less of all black people.
@Jamie, you broke the code! Michelle Goldberg, like most white American liberals, support affirmative action because deep down inside that assume black people are inherently less intelligent. People like Kendi, Ketanji Brown Jackson, among others, cynically support that notion for their own benefit. Capable black people — Clarence Thomas and Tom Sowell, for example, find liberal condescension to be extremely irritating.
I think it's fair to say that Kendi more like a victor than a victim in the systemic racism of America. The reports I've read were very delicate in describing how this mishap came to pass. If I ever fucked up on this scale, I would like to be described in such a gentle way.....I read that he's non-binary when it comes to racism. You're either part of the solution or part of the problem.
Autism and gender are on a spectrum, but not race. If someone stereotypes a Black person as being potentially violent or criminal, there's no better way to straighten their ass out than by beating the shit out of them and then taking their wallet. Only by such methods will we be able to defeat racism....
@Crack Emcee, taking money from white people who never owned slaves to give to black people who never were slaves, is not reparations. it's more in the nature of a legalized mass jackroll.
Besides, when one considers all the programs and created opportunities, and the money spent on them, and the denial of opportunities to qualified whites in order to give the opportunity to a usually less-qualified minority, all of which has been designated and given specifically to black people since the Civil Rights Act of 1964, reparations has already happened.
All of the race hustlers - Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Kendi, the BLM leadership - invariably grow very wealthy while conditions on the ground remain unchanged. When will we learn?
"This is the Kendi who wrote of wanting to throttle a woman for being (racist-ly) dismissive of his young son, isn't it?"
Different grifter; that was Genius T. Coates.
Oops! My bad, sorry! I understand Kendi's intellectual heft is even less... Not that it matters, though, when feelings are the currency of the day.
renchy said...
@Crack Emcee, taking money from white people
Nobody said anything about "taking money from white people" - America's not yours.
Henry Gage, AKA Ibram X. Kendi, joins the ranks of such noteworthy grifters as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. If he really works at it, he can keep the grift going for decades, just like Al and Jesse.
gahrie said...
Denying reparations, to me and many other blacks, is denying there even IS an America.
Go get them from the Africans who captured your ancestors and sold them into slavery.
One thing at a time,...
frenchy said...
"reparations has already happened"
If you're a racist who believes white people define American ethics, yeah. If you're not - and know white people, specifically, denied others of rights and opportunities for centuries - not so much
frenchy,
It's always hilarious how whites jump up, to tell everyone how it's going to go, while denying racism.
The irony always escapes them.
If you want to know whether Kendi has failed in this Shtick effort, check his finances and net worth. I feel quite certain that he's not in a bad position to walk away from this grift, and start pondering opportunities for the next one.
Sounds like Kindi dindu nuffin.
Denying reparations, to me and many other blacks, is denying there even IS an America.
LOL - I'd say never change, but you never have or will.
[...]taking money from white people who never owned slaves to give to black people who never were slaves, is not reparations. it's more in the nature of a legalized mass jackroll.
It's protection money; pay up or you get last night in Philadelphia, nationwide.
Besides, when one considers all the programs and created opportunities, and the money spent on them, and the denial of opportunities to qualified whites in order to give the opportunity to a usually less-qualified minority, all of which has been designated and given specifically to black people since the Civil Rights Act of 1964, reparations has already happened.
Blacks have had almost 160 years to get their shit together, during the last 60 of which they have been buttressed by official government discrimination in their favor. Look in a goddamn mirror once in a while, maybe.
Newt Gingrich says black men are supporting Trump because "What's happening to him is what's happened to them" - but he, too, will deny that when it's convenient.
"Goldberg...is a decent writer when she has a meaty story to work on..."
Stated without evidence as they say.
I'm not sure, but this teacher (TikToker) claims to be able to explain Equity to 3rd graders.
The ratio is running 3k to 1k against her here.
So, either people don't get it (they don't believe their own eyes?) or they are mad at her for doing her job.
Under normal circumstances you would need the impetus of a collusion, a well-oiled, color-coded conspiracy to generate a defense of the indefensable.
However, given the central figure we are all up against, Trump, what we have instead is an all-hands-on deck open call. No conspiracy required. You see something, you say something.
No sleep till 2025. We'll sort it all out later, if anybody even remembers anything.
#TrumpChallenge
When is Goldberg's column defending "Gold Bar Bob" Menendez coming out?
Eldridge Cleaver* said “If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.”
Ibram Kendi changed that to “If you want to solve the problem of racism then you’re a racist who is trying to end my grifting.”
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* Do any of you stupid, racist, punk kids in your sixties of younger even know who he was? Or Bobby Seale or Huey P. Newton?
"I think it's fair to say that Kendi more like a victor than a victim in the systemic racism of America."
Well, let's see. He was given tens of millions of dollars, to be used for no very specific purpose, but he did something else with it. So, either they'll give him a bunch more, or they'll only give him a little more.
Grifter's come in all colors. I feel no sympathy for the private or corporate donors who funded Kendi or the BLM con.
Whenever there is money to be made, no matter how small, the con artists and the grifters will jump in to get paid. It doesn't matter if the cause is legitimate or not. It does not matter if there are other legitimate people raising money for legitimate reasons. If a particular cause can grant the con artist money, power, sex, fame, prestige, or what have you, they will be there.
The sad part is even the legitimate organizations will be corrupted. The only question is whether the founders are corrupted, or their successors.
In the context on Michelle Goldberg and her critical literary abilities, it is worth remembering the discourse between Michelle and our hostess in 2009.
https://bloggingheads.tv/videos/2344?in=06:52
It is a classic and AA was magnificent.
It is hard to believe that I have been reading this for so long.
..."fails to perform according to existing conventions..."
WTF? Did [insert serial killer here] fail to perform according to existing conventions?
Kendi is a fraud at best, a thief at worst, and clearly an incompetent manager. This is why he is a prototypical leftist, and such people are never at fault for anything.
Regrettably, I kind of understand how civil wars start now.
who is a decent writer when she has a meaty story to work on
At first I was going to argue this point, but the more I look at it, the more it looks like he's damning her with faint praise. "Decent" if she has good material (or a story so good no editor will let her mess it up.)
The Crack Emcee said...
Douglas Murray and Matt Taibbi ate Michelle Goldberg and Malcolm Gladwell alive in debate.
She came off as just silly.
9/27/23, 10:22 AM
That was great, except I had previously enjoyed some of Gladwell's audiobooks. After seeing him in that debate, I'm unable to listen to them. He was rude and didn't listen to his opponents.
It was the first time I really noticed Goldberg. She was embarrassingly bad.
It was also the first time I noticed Murray. He was very good.
..."fails to perform according to existing conventions..."
WTF? Did [insert serial killer here] fail to perform according to existing conventions?
Kendi is a fraud at best, a thief at worst, and clearly an incompetent manager. This is why he is a prototypical leftist, and such people are never at fault for anything.
Regrettably, I kind of understand how civil wars start now.
Hey, Crack, How much are you asking for? Would you like me to start a GoFundMe for you?
Between the $55 million given to Kendi and the $90 million given to Black Lives Matter we see the sad futility of reparations. All those donations certainly didn't eliminate racism or make black lives matter more. There has been nothing to show for all that money except massive grifting.
Another demonstration of this phenomenon is the fact that the majority of people who win lotteries as well as those with big inheritances quickly lose all their money -- lottery winners go bankrupt more often than the national average. Here’s why lottery winners go broke
It's not about racism that Kendi and BLM have failed, it's about them lacking knowledge how to manage and multiply money. I see a lot of Blacks on Instagram and elsewhere are teaching about money, investing in stocks and real estate and small businesses. Those people are all about building wealth the same way white people do, and they never mention reparations.
Kendi’s wife managed to get published in the New England Journal of Medicine:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2212378
It’s a difficult read.
Big Mike,
I still have Soul on Ice and Seize The Timein my bookcase.
My politics were a bit different back then.
"Hey, Crack, How much are you asking for? Would you like me to start a GoFundMe for you?"
Won't matter even if you give him every penny he asks for, and every other black in America the same. Because, in twenty years, there'll be a new generation who hasn't gotten their check. And they'll surely demand it, just as it's being demanded today.
I'm with Jupiter on this one--how much you want, Crack? (You're entitled to some of my Confederate great-grandpappy's stashed gold, as soon as we locate it. Promise.)
Jupiter said...
"Hey, Crack, How much are you asking for? Would you like me to start a GoFundMe for you?"
It's hard to take all this talk about hating grift seriously, in a country that has homeopathic medicines on It's Pharmacy shelves. If you've been comfortable for your whole life with the sale of water as medicine, for $30 a pop, then you really don't care about fraud. It's just a talking point to attack blacks. You try to wipe away our entire history in this country by certain events, usually ones that don't reflect well on certain individuals, that you blame the group for, while claiming you're not being racist.
The fact that black people, who haven't had anything for most of the time they've been in this country, now will do almost anything to get some seems to be lost on you guys. I guess you think they should be taking a measured approach. Fuck you. They want what they want and they want it now, like everybody else. You complain about gangsters killing each other, but you idolize Al Capone and John Dillinger, and all the rest. Black people see how it's done. They know your history. The one you don't want to always take the time to shine-up to show the world. How is Las Vegas built again? 11 artists lost their lives to make Death Row records, and the sound of Dr. Dre, the biggest thing in the world. They were and are all kids from my neighborhood and I'm proud of them and what they've done:
They came up the American way.
Juanita Broderick, a woman who was raped by Bill Clinton while employed in an old folks home, is going to die without knowing justice - and everybody knows it as he's feted in the Hamptons - but I'm supposed to believe this Is an ethical country. Or think I should be harder on black people who, in many ways, are still just knowing freedom, and many other things, for the first time. I can't do it.
I thought when I left the violence of the ghetto in the late '70s that I was going to discover a world that was something more like what was on TV. A world that worked. But the world of white people was just as dysfunctional. One of the first things I learned is that they disowned their kids, a concept I just couldn't wrap my head around. And, as I look back on it, already a clear sign of a fraying society. I was initiated into politics by the killing of Harvey Milk and Mayor George Moscone on the same day in San Francisco. They were killed by a cop, who I now know was probably more credible than we give him credit for, seeing now that he was surrounded by the Jim Jones cult that was supported by Nancy Pelosi, and many other people still in power now. They killed 900 blacks.
All I'm trying to say is, I wasn't given the benefit of rose-colored glasses, when it comes to the United States of America. This is a weird fucking place. And one way that it's weird is in not wanting to honor its debt to black people. If you don't think that doesn't influence black people's actions, then you're not using logic. Once you've reneged on the social contract, you can't expect anybody else to honor it.
As I said, without paying reparations, you might as well say America doesn't exist to black people. Because America is supposed to be a place that's good and honors It's debt. if you think that America is becoming something else, then look in the mirror because you're the one who's making it that way.
People who believe in America still hold out hope that it will be the place that they hope it could be, without inflicting too much damage on itself.
Mason G said...
"in twenty years, there'll be a new generation who hasn't gotten their check. And they'll surely demand it, just as it's being demanded today."
You act like this is some new idea, and not a long-standing debt going all the way back to the end of the Civil War. The fact that it hasn't been resolved is a stain white people put on America's name, not anybody else.
Seriously, if you have a problem with it, take it up with your hero Martin Luther King and leave me the fuck alone. I was born into this shit.
Regarding Crack: "The Crack Emcee said: Denying reparations, to me and many other blacks, is denying there even IS an America."
Regarding reparations, Gathrie commented "Go get them from the Africans who captured your ancestors and sold them into slavery"
Crack replied: "One thing at a time,..."
Crack, I'm in agreement with you: first, you go after the initial offenders, and once you collect your money from the African descendants of the African Slavers, then you come after the descendants of the second stage buyers for more cash.
As many might say, "First things first!"
Good luck collecting---
BLM, Ibrahim X Kendi.
Improving the lot of Black people, one Black person at a time.
I don't complain about gangsters (or gangstas) killing each other. I don't idolize Capone and Dillinger.
And I don't care if you think I'm the worst racist here--your opinions are as specious as your reasoning.
But it's a nice little homily.
Crack said:
"One of the first things I learned is that they disowned their kids, a concept I just couldn't wrap my head around."
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75% of black children live in fatherless homes!!
Who the hell you think are rioting, looting, stealing and shoplifting across America, but kids who never experienced a father's discipline.
Or is that what happened to you? Were you disowned by your baby daddy?
Let's face it: there's no way in hell blacks are going to receive reparations from people who never owned slaves. No amount of mewling, puling, whining and complaining on your part will ever change that fact.
The existence of the Obamas, Oprah, and the many, many successful blacks in this country DESTROYS your claim that A-As continue to be treated the way they were a hundred years ago.
You need to look in the mirror, Crack: WE didn't make you you, YOU made yourself you.
Crack double-downed on one of his pet notions:
"It's hard to take all this talk about hating grift seriously, in a country that has homeopathic medicines on It's Pharmacy shelves."
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WTF? Homeopathic products make up a tinty, tiny fraction of what's on pharmacy shelves.
Ineffective home remedies and quackery have been around for as long as people have searching for cures. Why do you think the US is alone in that respect?
Irrelevancies like this just make you look every bit as kookish as the New Agers you despise.
"You act like this is some new idea, and not a long-standing debt going all the way back to the end of the Civil War."
Pointing out something is not the same thing as declaring it to be a new idea. As you didn't dispute that idea, I will take that as your agreement with it. As far as debts go, earlier in this thread, this was posted:
"Besides, when one considers all the programs and created opportunities, and the money spent on them, and the denial of opportunities to qualified whites in order to give the opportunity to a usually less-qualified minority, all of which has been designated and given specifically to black people since the Civil Rights Act of 1964, reparations has already happened."
Clearly, others believe those debts have been paid. Of course, YMMV.
"The fact that it hasn't been resolved is a stain white people put on America's name, not anybody else."
You say there's been no resolution. As noted above, others disagree.
"Seriously, if you have a problem with it, take it up with your hero Martin Luther King and leave me the fuck alone. I was born into this shit."
Martin Luther King is not my hero and you responded to me, not the other way around. If you want to be left the fuck alone, you might think about doing the same with others. Or not, your call. What you were born into? Nothing I can do about that.
There's a sucker born every moment. Seems that's as true today as it ever was.
effinayright said...
Crack double-downed on one of his pet notions:
" Ineffective home remedies and quackery have been around for as long as people have searching for cures. Why do you think the US is alone in that respect?"
I don't - you guys are the ones arguing there's something more admirable here.I think this is a place with the ethics of cults and quacks and con artists, so your comments on blacks are null and void.
effinayright said...
"Homeopathic products make up a tinty, tiny fraction of what's on pharmacy shelves."
I've talked to Pharmacists and they don't see it that way. One is too many. It's the ultimate example of fraud.
And I mean it: take your complaints to MLK because nobody else gives a shit.
Mason G said...
"Clearly, others believe those debts have been paid. Of course, YMMV."
Show me where any of that was called "reparations" and blacks understood it as such and I'll agree with it. If you can't, then I'll point out that's a lie, and remind you another iie doesn't help white people's image at all.
Hey Mason G, others disagreeing is the whole basis for the argument. Y'all just pissed because you sullied your name so much nobody gives a shit what you think anymore.
I don't even know why y'all debate this shit when there's no reference for all the shit that white people have done the blacks.
America is crumbling under the weight of its deceits
You got your reparations crack. You all squandered it and continue to do so (see Baltimore schools, zero percent math proficiency). You want more so you can squander more? People are waking up to your grift.
Crack, I wish you well, for whatever that's worth.
Reparations isn't going to happen. The debt owed to black Americans whose ancestors were slaves is unpayable - no amount of money recompenses someone for having been considered property. And so all that can happen, in a society that hopes to keep functioning (and that is, in matter of fact, the most tolerant, open, and generous society on earth - and name me a better one if you disagree), is what's already happened: an end to slavery won in blood, an end to Jim Crow won in lost opportunities on both sides of a racial divide that we all hoped would no longer exist by now.
Whatever you're wanting, you aren't going to get it. The reason is not that a debt isn't owed; it's that the societal cost is greater than the debt. I've asked before and I haven't seen you reply, though you may have: what do you hope the outcome of reparations would be? Because a society can't just try to recompense everyone or every group that's ever been wronged (and you know black Americans aren't the only ones) without considering the present-day effects. And the present-day effects would necessarily* include a resentment so deep, damaging, and defining that you cannot possibly want that for yourself or any children in your life. Especially not considering the current opportunity set available without further reparations.
* Necessarily because so few can trace their ancestry back to anyone who owes you for slavery or even Jim Crow. For instance - my family is almost entirely post-1910s in the US (one side branch from Quebec, essentially free of slavery - 4,000 slaves over 200 years, associated with the wealthy in homes - before that), and in Wisconsin, in a town with no black families until the 1950s, and then only one, and fewer than half my last-generation relatives went to college and none has received any inheritance besides furniture and pictures from my deceased grandparents - how could I owe the descendants of slaves anything?
Crack sneaks away from addressing the huge problem of fatherless black homes, and its consequences..
What an intellectual poseur!
Instead he addresses an insignificant issue that's been around for ages. If homeopathy were a "thing", pharmacy shelves would be filled with such products.
Instead, they are "fringe", not mainstream in an America he claims has gone full-tilt New Age.
SNORT
Jamie said...
"Whatever you're wanting, you aren't going to get it."
That's why people are taking it. And not saluting the flag. Or respecting life. Or the social contract. I don't know how you think anyone is going to care about the destruction of this country - by black gangs, Mexican cartels, whoever - when the citizens don't think it's theirs.
Just like after the Civil War, whites ensure some form of American slavery never really ends,...
effinayright said...
That SNORT - alone - says enough about you, and your aim here, to ignore you.
Most major endowments require timelines for accomplishing specific goals and the requirement that you use certified auditors, accountants, and qualified nonprofit professionals as board members if the leadership does not have nonprofit administration experience.
These rules are often not enforced for black-run or academic organizations. I can name ten off the top of my head that I dealt with in Atlanta alone.
There are no excuses. This is just liberal racism. The rules, including IRS and federal grantor scrutiny, only apply to some people and causes.
None of this had anything to do with an inability to follow rules. Some don't have to do so, and they know it. Why excuse it?
Crack, you're too smart for this garbage.
Big Mike, yes, I know who each of these exciting rapists, drug peddlers, and killers were. And most of their victims were black.
Your point is?
Crack, I need a number. How much are we asking for? I think these crackers are mistaken, and there are lots and lots of stupid. college-educated white chicks with too much money who will be delighted to contribute to your Reparations GoFundMe. But we have to frame it right. Starting with a number - $60 million? Does that work? We can cook up an explanation later, I'm good at this.
"Show me where any of that was called "reparations"..."
Right here:
"Besides, when one considers all the programs and created opportunities, and the money spent on them, and the denial of opportunities to qualified whites in order to give the opportunity to a usually less-qualified minority, all of which has been designated and given specifically to black people since the Civil Rights Act of 1964, reparations has already happened." - frenchy, 9/27/23, 12:00 PM
"and blacks understood it as such"
Sorry, I can't understand it for blacks. That's up to them.
I enjoy when Crack talks about Bill Clinton, rapist. Why should he care, except to perform a little gallantry dance?
Crack, you're too smart for this garbage.
[Citation needed]
I enjoy when Crack talks about Bill Clinton, rapist. Why should Crack care, except to perform a little gallantry dance for the benefit of the low-class honkies?
Mason G said...
"Show me where any of that was called "reparations"..."
Right here:
I meant by the government, not you bozos mouthing off.
Tina Trent said...
"Crack, you're too smart for this garbage."
Thank you, but no, you're too smart not to get it: Sherman went on his march to the sea, and as he went, black people gathered behind the army and followed wherever he went. This was a problem for Sherman, because he was fighting a war and not babysitting freed blacks. He was no friend of blacks. But he was still a fair man and asked them what they needed, in order to be OK. They said give us some land, and maybe a mule to work it, and we'll be fine. He agreed, and went on his way. But, after John Wilkes Booth killed Lincoln, the next president was a southern sympathizer, and he took it all away. Blacks have never forgotten that, and consider it a debt that needs to be repaid, as surely as Bruce's Beach in Los Angeles was recently given back to blacks, because that too was a crime. Black people had worked that land and made investments. All of it was snatched away. Call it symbolic, but it has to be addressed. Why?
That was the first agreement made between freed blacks and America, and because of whites, specifically, America reneged. That's not hard to understand. And whites should want to make it right.
"Most major endowments require timelines for accomplishing specific goals and the requirement that you use certified auditors, accountants, and qualified nonprofit professionals as board members if the leadership does not have nonprofit administration experience."
Tina, you're the one who's too smart for this. They're all grifts, and you know it. "Accomplishing specific goals". Like what? What have all these assholes in suits who pay themselves millions to buy each other drinks accomplished? Besides getting their rackets taken over by leftists, because silly women with too much money prefer sob stories?
"They said give us some land, and maybe a mule to work it, and we'll be fine."
Ha! Forty acres and a mule. Back in '98, I read about how the IRS had audited some guy who had claimed a $56,000 refundable credit on his taxes. And he said it was the "Forty acres and a mule" credit. So, they ran a query against their database for the amount in question, and they found out that hundreds of blacks had been claiming this credit, and the IRS had been sending them all checks for 50 grand. Some grifter was going around to black churches, showing them how to apply for it. I don't know how that all turned out, probably still going on. I was amazed that the IRS had so little idea about what they were sending people money for. The only way they could query it was by looking for credits in a certain dollar range.
General Sherman had neither the legal nor the moral right to obligate the United States for anything. Go after Sherman's descendants for your 40 acres and a mule.
"Hey, Crack, How much are you asking for? Would you like me to start a GoFundMe for you?"
Won't matter even if you give him every penny he asks for, and every other black in America the same. Because, in twenty years, there'll be a new generation who hasn't gotten their check. And they'll surely demand it, just as it's being demanded today.
Crack himself would be back in five years with his hand out again saying "You can't buy your way out of guilt; you still owe me..."
The only reparations I would ever support is a one-way ticket to Africa.
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