March 30, 2023

"Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump in New York."

"Mr. Trump will be the first former president to face criminal charges. The precise charges are not yet known, but the case is focused on a hush-money payment to a porn star during his 2016 campaign."

The felony indictment, filed under seal by the Manhattan district attorney’s office, will likely be announced in the coming days. By then, prosecutors working for the district attorney, Alvin L. Bragg, will have asked Mr. Trump to surrender and to face arraignment on charges that remain unknown for now.

163 comments:

Maynard said...

The walls are closing in ...

once again.

Forget about everything else. This is the most important thing going on in NYC, by far.

Iman said...

Yew Nork the BIG Asshole.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Well lets see...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/exclusive-meg-reisss-twitter-account-exposed-alvin-braggs-chief-assistant-district-attorney-who-is-allegedly-running-the-office-is-a-raging-trump-hater-and-proud-of-it/

Has NYT returned the Pulitzer for the fake Trump stories paid for by Hillary? Durham has something about that story.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

So much for norms. Once again the left makes a mockery of “blind justice.” Remember back when no reasonable prosecutor would dare prosecute the Secretary of State because that would be too banana republicky?

BUMBLE BEE said...

VOID
Constitutional Republic.
Voids list is growing.

mongo said...

Given the way our justice system works these days, I wouldn’t be surprised if the charges are never made public.

Mike of Snoqualmie said...

D.A. Bragg should be indicted for abuse of power. He's conflated a NY-state law with a Federal crime. He has no jurisdiction for Federal violations. The hush money payment occurred long ago and is NOT a crime. Bragg says its a false business record, but the statue of limitation expired long ago.

Bragg is a fanatic who doesn't believe in the rule of law. He'll make up any law he wants as long as he can get Trump.

TickTock said...

My first response to this echoes observations made by many commentators on this blog, in many contexts: "This won't end well."

Ice Nine said...

Say 'hello' to former President Ham Sandwich.

rsbsail said...

Third world shenanigans. Idi Amin would be right at home. This will not end well.

We have experience with political prosecutions in Texas where the District Attorney for Austin, a Democratic stronghold, goes after Republicans.

Yancey Ward said...

A competent judge would dismiss these charges, but those apparently don't exist in New York any longer. If I were Trump, I would insist on a quick trial date. He has a decent chance of getting a hung jury, even in New York City, unless the judge is so corrupt as to rig the jury, too.

Mary Beth said...

They better have a very good case with easy to understand evidence. It needs to be obvious that a just law was broken. Otherwise, I think this is going to backfire on them spectacularly. Even if it doesn't backfire during the next election, I think (regardless of how worthy this case is) there will be unintended consequences. They act as if they will always be in power.

Creola Soul said...

Whether you’re a Trump fan or not, name one other Banana Republic, besides the US, where one Presidential candidate has his opponent arrested? I’ll wait…..

Ice Nine said...

>"Trump has long avoided legal consequences in his personal, professional and political lives."<

Good ol' objective journalism from CNN.

Readering said...

Fake news. Trump and those around have reported that Bragg is dropping the case.

n.n said...

American Spring

gilbar said...

okay.. IF it's "under seal".. And the charges are "unknown at this time"..
HOW do we know it's a felony indictment?
Is the 'seal' kinda leaky? Like a space shuttle O-ring?
Or, are people making some assumptions here?

Static Ping said...

Leaking from a grand jury is one of those unforgiveable things. It doesn't matter if it is this case or some low-level drug charge. This is the sort of thing that gets people fired/disbarred.

So, is this BS or is his unforgiveable?

gahrie said...

Yet if Biden ever gets indicted the NYT will complain about the criminal justice system being tainted by politics.

GatorNavy said...

Getting my popcorn supplies set right now.

rhhardin said...

Unknown charges are the worst. Mother raper, or even father raper, probable. The spectrum on the group-W bench.

Chick said...

I was planning on sitting on the presidential candidate fence for next 12 months. Oh well, I am off now. Trump it is.

Dave Begley said...

Our Banana Republic status is now confirmed.

State court judge should dismiss based on a 12(b)(6) motion.

~ Gordon Pasha said...

“If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.” ~ Obi Wan Kenobi

rcocean said...

It political lawfare against an ex-POTUS who's leading the Republican Primary, and seeking a 2nd term. Its unhead of in American history.

But our legal and political elite are A-Ok with this norm-busting action. Hopefully, DeSantis will step up and refuse to extridict Trump for this clownshow trial.

Last point, the Center-right thinks this is going to end up with "the adults" stepping in and preventing Trump from being Jailed. Sorry, there are no adults in charge anymore. This isn't going to end well for MAGA or Trump.

rhhardin said...

And I, I walked over to the, to the bench there, and there is, Group W's
Where they put you if you may not be moral enough to join the army after
Committing your special crime, and there was all kinds of mean nasty ugly
Looking people on the bench there. Mother rapers. Father stabbers. Father
Rapers! Father rapers sitting right there on the bench next to me! And
They was mean and nasty and ugly and horrible crime-type guys sitting on the
Bench next to me. And the meanest, ugliest, nastiest one, the meanest
Father raper of them all, was coming over to me and he was mean 'n' ugly
'N' nasty 'n' horrible and all kind of things and he sat down next to me
And said, "Kid, whad'ya get?" I said, "I didn't get nothing, I had to pay
$50 and pick up the garbage." He said, "What were you arrested for, kid?"
And I said, "Littering." And they all moved away from me on the bench
There, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I
Said, "And creating a nuisance." And they all came back, shook my hand,
And we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing,
Father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the
Bench. And everything was fine, we was smoking cigarettes and all kinds of
Things, until the Sergeant came over, had some paper in his hand, held it
Up and said.

Clyde said...

Animal House - Deltas on Trial

Nuff said.

Doug said...

Popcorn prices are about to go through the roof.

Iman said...

Jump that shark, Democrats! You cowardly, vindictive corksoakers.

A long dead misdemeanor (at most) massaged and crafted into a felony. What a bunch of mooks.

Bob B said...

The felony indictment, filed under seal by the Manhattan district attorney’s office, will likely be announced in the coming days.

Is it legal to leak information about the sealed indictment? If so, when will the leaker be indicted?

Mutaman said...

Time for Trump to fire a few more lawyers.

Unknown said...

Gah.

"For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind."

Jupiter said...

Looks like I'm going to have donate to his campaign.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

what is the felony? He paid some women hush money? and...

Meanwhile - the Biden boys are actually crooks who should be stripped of power, indicted, and found guilty of international money laundering for personal gain to the tune of millions.

Gusty Winds said...

That's it. Fuck them all. I'm voting for Trump in the Wisconsin GOP Primary.

He is obviously everything they are not, and don't want us to have.

TRISTRAM said...

Well, that should calm everyone down. :rolleyes:

Gusty Winds said...

We are a nation in decline.

I am baffled by college educated white women, and their role in the decline.

Mr Wibble said...

9/11 was completely justified.

New Yorkers deserved it.

Cameron said...

They just sunk Desantis and re-elected Trump

BillieBob Thorton said...

Burn it down.
Burn it all to the ground.
Time for a revolution.

Leland said...

Rubicon crossed. Welcome to the new world.

hombre said...

A corrupt prosecutor from a corrupt culture financed by a corrupt billionaire.

It just doesn't get any more corrupt than that.

Inga said...

One indictment down two (or more) to go.

tastid212 said...

As expected. Weak tea.

The real purpose is to tie him up legally, taint him in any way possible, and drain his funds.
This is BS rather than a BFD. But hardball politics rolls on, as it will.

If one old bull is taken down by a thousand ducks, then a metaphorical lightning strike to the other old bull would simply be karma. Clean the slate and move forward.

Gusty Winds said...

Stormy Daniels. A name that will live in infamy.

hpudding said...

This will make him more popular with the Republican base that loves criminals so much.

Drago said...

As predicted.

This will be followed by hoaxed up indictments out of GA and from Garlands crew in DC.

It is, in reality, another Crossfire Hurricane on the part of the dems and their GOPe allies.

Joe Smith said...

Come mister tally man...

rehajm said...

Wow- what a surprise (sarc). 'On charges that remain unknown for now'??? Unknown by whom? The District Attorney?

Added:: No Lawsuits I Hope Will Lose tag. Can't ever put politics aside. Quelle Suprise...

Gusty Winds said...

DeSantis says he won't "assist in extradition". Good statement now on Twitter. Fair enough.

Trump will decide how he is arrested.

rehajm said...

No reasonable prosecutor...

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Madness and folly.

Sean Gleeson said...

This sort of thing really makes it difficult to shame other countries for prosecuting political crimes.

Oso Negro said...

The precise charges are not known, but by God, we have indicted him! Manhattan is dead to me.

Josephbleau said...

I suspect it was a mistake to do this before next weeks election. I think angry voters are more inclined to turn out than ones who got their way. Banana republic statements have some power.

wendybar said...

Feeling more and more like Venezuela every day. When do we start eating zoo animals??

Chuck said...

I’m reflecting on perhaps five years’ worth of abuse that I have received from many Althouse commenters, ridiculing me for the mere suggestion that Trump would, or even could, be indicted after completing his one-term presidency.

For some of you — I don’t know how many — I expect that it’s possible that because of your intake of selective news sources, you may have no idea how strong are the several criminal investigations of Trump. You may not get it, and may not accept it, right up to the time of his sentencing hearing(s). I can’t help you with that. Just get some better news sources.

Others, of course, are just hardened partisans. I can't help any of you, either. And I don't want to. There was a time where part of me hoped for a new and better Republican nominee for President after 1/6/21. That was the part of me that hoped, in January of 2017, that Trump would be surrounded by, and overwhelmed by, the trappings of the Office of the Presidency of the United States of America and would be a somewhat normal President. That's long gone. And gone too to is any notion that the Republican base will now stand for any nominee but Trump. It will be very bad for the country, but I am okay with it. Another chance for the great majority of Americans to kick Trump's ass again.

Butkus51 said...

burn the witch

Narr said...

This, while Hunter's uninvestigated laptop is not even a story. Coupled with the Taibbi razzia, it's The Organs flexing for a showdown, black flag flying. Mark my words, Trump will not live until November 2024.

NBC Nightly did a Nashville massacre story--all about the trauma of the emergency dispatchers.
(Manifesto? What manifesto?)



FullMoon said...

Will they pretend he is a flight risk and require a billion dollar cash bail?
These people are disgusting.

wildswan said...

John Yoo has laid out the problems with indicting Trump and I understand his argument to the following:

1. That the alleged payments would be a misdemeanor under New York state law and under that same law misdemeanors must be prosecuted within two years whereas the alleged offense occurred in 2016,7 years ago.

2. That the alleged offense is a felony under Federal law but the NYC DA cannot prosecute for Federal crimes

3. That the Federal DOJ has already looked at this question and declined to prosecute.

Yoo thought that perhaps Alvin Bragg was so lost in his progressive bubble that legal considerations meant nothing to him and he expected others to be the same. We don't know what felony Bragg hopes to use against Trump but it's my opinion that NYC is now on the hook for millions and millions in damages due to an egregious disregard for the law. Prosecutors are not above the law but like Harvey Weinstein they may get away with ignoring it for a short period of time.

TeaBagHag said...

The wheels of Justice are finally turning for a notorious scumbag criminal
MAGAt tears of rage are flowing. Opening day is here. What a fine day to be an American!

Dave Begley said...

BTW, grand jury indictments are supposed to be secret. Bragg broke the rules for leaking the indictment. He should be disbarred. And without a hearing, like Rudy.

Michael said...

Biden most harmed.

Rabel said...

Like I said:

"I have to wonder if people have been paying attention.

They don't want a mug shot, they don't want publicity, they don't want a campaign poster, they don't want to embarrass him - THEY WANT TO PUT HIM IN PRISON."

gspencer said...

Next stop, a Sherman-McCoy-esque arraignment.

wendybar said...
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wendybar said...

When do we get to prosecute Congress critters who used the taxpayer funded slush fund to pay off their sexual peccadillos??

walter said...

Cookie! Get to the courthouse and report.

Temujin said...

Curious to see the reactions from your readers. My first gut reaction is that this will have a surprise ending.

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Trump's response via congresswoman MTG @RepMTG tweet.

“This is Political Persecution and Election Interference at the highest level in history. From the time I came down the golden escalator at Trump Tower, and even before I was sworn in as your President of the United States, the Radical Left Democrats - the enemy of the hard-working men and women of this Country - have been engaged in a Witch-Hunt to destroy the Make America Great Again movement. You remember it just like I do: Russia, Russia, Russia; the Mueller Hoax; Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine; Impeachment Hoax 1; Impeachment Hoax 2; the illegal and unconstitutional Mar-a-Lago raid; and now this.

“The Democrats have lied, cheated and stolen in their obsession with trying to ‘Get Trump,’ but now they’ve done the unthinkable - indicting a completely innocent person in an act of blatant Election Interference.

“Never before in our Nation’s history has this been done. The Democrats have cheated countless times over the decades, including spying on my campaign, but weaponizing our justice system to punish a political opponent, who just so happens to be a President of the United States and by far the leading Republican candidate for President, has never happened before. Ever.

“Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg, who was hand-picked and funded by George Soros, is a disgrace. Rather than stopping the unprecedented crime wave taking over New York City, he’s doing Joe Biden’s dirty work, ignoring the murders and burglaries and assaults he should be focused on. This is how Bragg spends his time!

“I believe this Witch-Hunt will backfire massively on Joe Biden. The American people realize exactly what the Radical Left Democrats are doing here. Everyone can see it. So our Movement, and our Party - united and strong - will first defeat Alvin Bragg, and then we will defeat Joe Biden, and we are going to throw every last one of these Crooked Democrats out of office so we can MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!”

donald said...

Good thing we’re back to normal. You do all realize that pretty much every one of our living ex presidents committed war crimes and need to be prosecuted. I’m sure Trump is just picking off the low hanging fruit whale they get ready for the good stuff. I’m sure they’ll get right on it. I’m sure they’ll hang as they deserve. This being a democracy and all.

R C Belaire said...

They've got him now! No doubt, he's going down -- or up the river, whatever.

BUMBLE BEE said...

What Glenn Beck told Tucker.

Jeff Vader said...

This should be fun if not terrifying

rob5819 said...

The long awaited return to "normal."

Narayanan said...

Extradition Between States: Process
Whether or not a state has adopted the UCEA, the extradition process will be similar. The process begins when there's probable cause to issue an out-of-state arrest warrant. Typically this occurs when a person fails to show up for a court date or if there's reason to believe the person has fled.

When the out of state warrant is issued, the information is entered into the National Crime Information Center (NCIC), a nationwide database that law enforcement uses to access warrant information in other states. If the person sought is arrested in the new state, the arresting authorities will notify the first state that issued the warrant. For instance, if a crime is committed in California, and the person flees to New York, the New York police will be able to see the California arrest warrant and will notify California of an arrest in New York.

The original state may make a request for the return of the fugitive, but they don't always do so. If the crime is a misdemeanor or something other than a violent felony, there may be no request for return. However, if such a request is made, the fugitive has the option of waiving extradition or attempting to fight extradition through a writ of habeas corpus.

If the fugitive refuses to waive extradition, the original state prepares a request to have the fugitive returned. Extradition requests are made from the office of one state's governor to the other. If the request is approved by both governors, an extradition hearing will be held and a court in the state with the fugitive will make a decision to grant or deny extradition.

States, in deciding whether to extradite, generally may not delve into the underlying charge behind an extradition request. However, the U.S. Constitution (Sixth Amendment) requires the accused "be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation." This means that states will inform the fugitive of:

the extradition request;
the underlying criminal charge; and
the individual's right to seek legal counsel.
Once the request for extradition has been granted, the fugitive will be offered to the demanding state. The fugitive can still fight extradition by filing a writ of a habeas corpus. If the habeas corpus petition is denied, the original state will make arrangements to transport them back to the demanding state. If the habeas corpus petition is granted, the fugitive will be released.Extradition Between States: Process
Whether or not a state has adopted the UCEA, the extradition process will be similar. The process begins when there's probable cause to issue an out-of-state arrest warrant. Typically this occurs when a person fails to show up for a court date or if there's reason to believe the person has fled.

When the out of state warrant is issued, the information is entered into the National Crime Information Center (NCIC), a nationwide database that law enforcement uses to access warrant information in other states. If the person sought is arrested in the new state, the arresting authorities will notify the first state that issued the warrant. For instance, if a crime is committed in California, and the person flees to New York, the New York police will be able to see the California arrest warrant and will notify California of an arrest in New York.

The original state may make a request for the return of the fugitive, but they don't always do so. If the crime is a misdemeanor or something other than a violent felony, there may be no request for return. However, if such a request is made, the fugitive has the option of waiving extradition or attempting to fight extradition through a writ of habeas corpus.

Narayanan said...

If the fugitive refuses to waive extradition, the original state prepares a request to have the fugitive returned. Extradition requests are made from the office of one state's governor to the other. If the request is approved by both governors, an extradition hearing will be held and a court in the state with the fugitive will make a decision to grant or deny extradition.

States, in deciding whether to extradite, generally may not delve into the underlying charge behind an extradition request. However, the U.S. Constitution (Sixth Amendment) requires the accused "be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation." This means that states will inform the fugitive of:

the extradition request;
the underlying criminal charge; and
the individual's right to seek legal counsel.
Once the request for extradition has been granted, the fugitive will be offered to the demanding state. The fugitive can still fight extradition by filing a writ of a habeas corpus. If the habeas corpus petition is denied, the original state will make arrangements to transport them back to the demanding state. If the habeas corpus petition is granted, the fugitive will be released.

Narayanan said...

is Trump considered The Fugitive already?

walter said...

Trans get their Day of Vengeance stolen!!!

Big Mike said...

Trump has called the indictment a political persecution. That seems much more right than wrong.

Wince said...

Trump is like Jesus.

Lilly, a dog said...

I dunno much about anybunny, but cable news is hilarious tonight. Best outrage & glee ever. I bought 7 MySlippers and donated my car to Kars4Kids, because we can't let the terrorists win.

Dude1394 said...

We’ll get ready democrat presidents. You are next.

ken in tx said...

No comments? Something must be wrong here.

Lilly, a dog said...

Rachel Maddow snorted 8 Adderalls and murdered several MSNBC interns to get ready for her emergency broadcast tonight.

Quaestor said...

Reap the whirlwind, Joe.

Quaestor said...

How does the Nooyawk Times know it's a felony indictment if the charges are unknown?

Is it because Alvin Bragg is still inventing them?

gadfly said...

Headlines from Queens Daily Eagle: "Queens Man Indicted."

Rocco said...

A "Manhattan Indictment" has become the "Parental Advisory" of the 2020s.

AlbertAnonymous said...

Filed under seal? Why ?

TickTock said...

Narayanan,

Thx for the detail.

Michael K said...

Well, it took 2 years but we have achieved banana republic status. I'm sure the fascists in the Biden regime are planning the next step.

Big Mike said...

Yet if Biden ever gets indicted the NYT will complain about the criminal justice system being tainted by politics.

@gabrie, that’s 100%, my friend.

Amadeus 48 said...

That will clear the air, all right.
Send lawyers, guns, and money...particularly money.

Maynard said...

I’m reflecting on perhaps five years’ worth of abuse that I have received from many Althouse commenters, ridiculing me for the mere suggestion that Trump ....

Actually Chuck you have been ridiculed for being a pathetic, dishonest, obsessive POS.

It has nothing to do with Trump.

takirks said...

The only thing that remains for this crew of idiots is to have Trump put in "protective custody" and then Epstein him.

That happens? LOL... No telling where that ends, but it is nowhere good.

I remain unconvinced as to Trump's "criminality", just like I'm unconvinced that he's the "Great White Hope" for sanity in this country. I would not be surprised to find out he was a stalking horse for Clinton, and that his victory in 2016 came as a surprise to everyone involved, including him. He certainly didn't prepare for the transition...

My guess is that this is just another mile-marker on our descent into third-rate power status, cemented by the fiscal insanity of the assholes running DC. Who don't seem to be a bit concerned that the Chinese, Saudis, and a bunch of other people have chosen to start trading in anything but dollars. Kiss buh-bye to reserve currency status, and our oligarchs getting away with literal financial murder. The whole house of cards may well come down in our lifetimes...

bobby said...

Wouldn't it be nice if we R's didn't view all of this as, now we must destroy one of the two most effective Right politicians working today so that the remaining one can advance to the next rank?

We ought to find a way to use both of them, not just stupidly sacrifice one on the other's alter.

Marcus Bressler said...

Gusty Winds said...
"We are a nation in decline. I am baffled by college educated white women, and their role in the decline".

"...by college-TRAINED white women,..." FIFY

MarcusB. THEOLDMAN

The Left has crossed that line.

hpudding said...

To be a national Republican is to be a criminal.

It’s to orchestrate a burglary of your political opponents’ headquarters.

It’s to sabotage peace talks in Vietnam to prevent your opponent from concluding a peace treaty.

It’s to prolong American hostage captivity in Iran to prevent Carter from benefiting from their freedom.

It’s to sell arms to the Islamic Republic of Iran so that you can fund South American death squads.

It’s to blow CIA identities as retribution for their husband’s findings about your lies.

It’s to let your lawyer go to prison for the same crime that your president co-conspired to direct (“Individual #1”)

It’s to deepen the wealth divides in your country, and to run on fascist authoritarianism.

It’s to agitate for a coup that threatens the life of your Vice President, and to threaten a Georgia official for counting ballots correctly.

It’s sit by and watch hundreds of thousands of Americans die of a new pandemic that you did nothing about.

That’s the Republican Party.

hpudding said...

Just remember, when Republicans say “George Soros” they mean “rootless cosmopolitans.” Which is code for “Jews.”

Also remember that Republicans want to increase mass shootings with assault rifles in America, because that gets them more gun lobby money. It also reinforces the idea of good vs. evil being issues of individual control, no matter how many evil psychopaths they proliferate guns to.

Republicans gave us the Great Depression, which led directly to the spread of fascism in Europe and WWII.

I never heard them make this much noise about Michael Cohen’s indictment and conviction for these same charges.

Republicans just want a leader who can prove to be above the law. Nothing more.

hpudding said...

“Rubicon crossed. Welcome to the new world.“

You mean law and order applying even to Republican ex-presidents? I’m loving it. Long overdue.

And just when they were starting to rebrand themselves as invincible authoritarian-lovers rallying around a narcissist who feels he’s above the law.

Not a moment too soon. Enjoy trying to figure out what your leaders can stand for now that life in and under a lawful republic applies to them as well.

Or continue to fulminate about victimhood, witch hunts and other negations of your leader’s supposed “strength.”

Aggie said...

The abandonment and violation of the historical norms of a genteel society, the erratic departure into unbroken legal ground, the consensus of experts expressing doubts that charges are robust or coherent, the pushing & pulling and abrupt changes of tack in the public communications arena, the incessant conflicting leaks of information - all of these are hallmarks of what we have been seeing over the past 7 years. The process is the punishment. The hope is that the 'stain & drain' of these efforts will plague Trump's Campaign / Presidency and sap it of its vitality and diffuse its mandate, just like it did the first time.

Saint Croix said...

prediction:

Florida refuses to comply

Florida will not arrest Trump and DeSantis will mock the shit out of Bragg

The idea that Republicans will roll over for this is idiotic

Banana republic move

Narayanan said...

Mary Beth said...
They better have a very good case with easy to understand evidence. It needs to be obvious that a just law was broken.
=========
good sentiment but does Constitution require law to be just?
or only procedurally correct to take effect? + discretionary enforcement allowed.

Saint Croix said...

kudos to Narayanan at 8:05

effinayright said...

Chuck sniffed some gule and said:

For some of you — I don’t know how many — I expect that it’s possible that because of your intake of selective news sources, you may have no idea how strong are the several criminal investigations of Trump. You may not get it, and may not accept it, right up to the time of his sentencing hearing(s). I can’t help you with that. Just get some better news sources.
*****************

Chuckie: As ususal, your unsupported claim is simply FUBAR.

Go look at wildswan's comment and **tell us** why Yoo's analysis is wrong. Ditto Dershowitz's.

Your silence will be just more evidence that you are an intellectual coprolite.


Rt41Rebel said...

The only possible motive I can imagine for the indictment is to force DeSantis out of the race, they think that Trump is more beatable in the general. And they might be right about that. I hope they are, I, for one, would like to keep my Guv for 4 years.

But Dems are taking a risk here. They think that this indictment will scare support away from Trump for fear of federal alphabet department prosecution, but I think that this and any future indictments will galvanize support for Trump from corners previously inert, and it will purge the RINOs from the party.

And if Dems think that they can use Mugshot Trump as a campaign weapon, they are wrong again. Trump himself will make millions on Mugshot Trump coffee mugs, hats, shirts, etc. He will use the mugshot and arrest footage in his own campaign media to great effect.

Narayanan said...

!!! Nation will please watch SNL for preview script unfold arrest scenario??

hombre said...

hpudding (6:02): "This will make him more popular with the Republican base that loves criminals so much."

Yeah. Like Hunter Biden, QuidProJoe, Hillary, Eric Holder, George Soros, Antifa, BLM, etc. Oh. Wait. They might not be Republicans.

hombre said...

"Filed under seal? Why?"

Indictments are normally not made public until after the defendant is in custody.

Ampersand said...

We can only hope that Alvin Bragg is not improperly attempting to influence the selection of the Republican presidential candidate, and that public respect for the rule of law, and for equal treatment under the law, will be amplified by this action. Hope floats, but it's not the only thing floating.
Sadly, Trump energizes Democrats, and always ends up dividing Republicans and independents. The US needs a Republican who unites Republicans and independents, and who divides Democrats. Kevin McCarthy can do the country a great service by actually convincing people of all political inclinations that Republicans are being sensible when they claim that the debt ceiling increase has to be negotiated. That will lay the groundwork for a conversation about the toxic insistence of Dems and the MSM that spending more money is always good. We have to start somewhere, and that seems the best place. Policy still matters. Politics has to be about more than personality and charisma.

hombre said...

Remember the outrage and impeachment when Trump merely suggested that Zelensky should look into QuidProJoe's admitted extortion of Ukraine. How dare he! QuidProJoe was a candidate for President!

The tragedy is that amoral Dems like Igna think the corruption of law enforcement and the legal system is okay because IT'S TRUMP. Democrats corrupt everything and the Ignas cheer them on.

Remember when Bill Clinton paid Paula Jones $850,000 to drop her sexual harassment suit. Was that a political contribution?

hombre said...

Chuck: "You may not get it, and may not accept it, right up to the time of his sentencing hearing(s). I can’t help you with that. Just get some better news sources."

What we do get, Chuck, is that if you are an LLR and a lawyer, you are an embarrassment and a devotee of the Laverentiy Beria system of criminal justice.

Trump is not going down because he is a criminal. There are lots of criminals in politics, QuidProJoe, Hillary, Pelosi, etc., who will never go down. He is going down for calling out Democrat, RINO and Deep State corruption.

alanc709 said...

I'm embarrassed to call myself American, especially when fascists like hpudding, TeaBagHag an Chuck walk free. Fuck all you leftwing assholes, I hope you enjoy being the scum that you are, and have made this country into. Where will you flee when the revolution comes for you?

Gospace said...

Not one, not two, not even three- I read over 30 financial crimes. As if the DA actually understood finance.

Thosands of aufitors, hundreds of lawyers, decades of IRS scrutiny, and the Genius Bragg is the only person who could interpret the law properly and find all these discrpancies and raise them to the level of a crime.

Should have stuck to one.

Drago said...

LLR-democratical and Violent Homosexual Rape Fantasist Chuck: "I’m reflecting on perhaps five years’ worth of abuse that I have received from many Althouse commenters, ridiculing me for the mere suggestion that Trump would, or even could, be indicted after completing his one-term presidency."

LOL

More lies from the banned democratical.

As all regular readers of Althouse blog will easily recall, it has been predicted by many for many years that the corrupted dems and their GOPe allies would hoax up fake charges to repeatedly impeach Trump as President and later indict him via corrupted laefare means over and over again to send a message that no outsider will be allowed to challenge the deep state and uniparty.

This was always the destination you democraticals were planning to reach and only the self-deluded thought otherwise.

Crazy World said...

Perfect! Now arrest China Ukrainian Russian Joe, Barky dog eating Obama and filthy corrupt Hillary. God Bless America and happy transgender day!

gadfly said...

Rabel said...

"They don't want a mug shot, they don't want publicity, they don't want a campaign poster, they don't want to embarrass him - THEY WANT TO PUT HIM IN PRISON."

Kind of like all Trump rallies, even now, when the faithful chant "Lock her up!" The chant began ahead of the 2016 debates when Trump promised to throw Hillary into jail.

gadfly said...

Rabel said...

"They don't want a mug shot, they don't want publicity, they don't want a campaign poster, they don't want to embarrass him - THEY WANT TO PUT HIM IN PRISON."

Kind of like all Trump rallies, even now, when the faithful chant "Lock her up!" The chant began ahead of the 2016 debates when Trump promised to throw Hillary into jail.

Humperdink said...

Former Speaker of the House Nancy Pealosi (D-Idiot), referring to the Trump indictment: "“No one is above the law, and everyone has the right to a trial to prove innocence."

Wut? Prove your innocent? Words escape me.

https://nypost.com/2023/03/31/nancy-pelosi-mocked-over-major-error-in-her-tweet-about-trump-indictment/

wendybar said...

hpudding said...
This will make him more popular with the Republican base that loves criminals so much.

3/30/23, 6:02 PM

If we loved criminals so much, we would love the Clintons, the Pelosi's, the Obamas and the Bidens. We don't.

Humperdink said...

One of Trump's sons said the following yesterday: "We (the family) have never had a speeding ticket until my dad ran for president".

Quite revealing.

Also this from Chuck Schumer in 2017 to Trump: "You take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.”

mezzrow said...

A little more than 24 hours early for an April fool's joke of this intensity and import.

We will, with time, learn if they are also a dollar short.

So what happens next?

I hear my mother saying "be careful what you wish for." Good advice.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Listen to Glenn...

https://www.foxnews.com/media/glenn-beck-slams-indictment-donald-trump-america-knew-finished

BUMBLE BEE said...

Transgender murderers shape our nation's soul vs Make America great again. What's in a word?

BUMBLE BEE said...

What follows the loss of the dollar as reserve currency? Gadfly? Inga? Readering? Bueller? Bueller?

Another old lawyer said...

The squeeze will not to be worth the juice - unless the juice is Trump as Republican nominee.

EdwdLny said...

The list of targets grows ever longer. Libs are fascist terrorists in word, deed, and belief. Treat them accordingly. And don't worry about the mess.

EdwdLny said...

The list of targets grows ever longer. Libs are fascist terrorists in word, deed, and belief. Treat them accordingly. And don't worry about the mess.

Jersey Fled said...

This really drives home to me how corrupt our criminal justice system has become. A billionaire bought election for an activist DA, the right judge and a hopelessly prejudiced jury are all it takes for any of us to be found guilty of anything.

Think about that the next time you push Publish Your Comment.

wendybar said...

GLENN BECK: "Donald Trump is not even a person anymore…HE IS A SYMBOL.. He is a symbol of the AVERAGE EVERYDAY GUY that keeps getting screwed every single time."

Left Bank of the Charles said...

If Donald Trump believed Michael Cohen had committed no crime, why did he let him sit in federal prison for over a year? All of you who believe no crime was committed should send Donald Trump a white feather for not pardoning Michael Cohen.

Saint Croix said...

Kind of like all Trump rallies, even now, when the faithful chant "Lock her up!" The chant began ahead of the 2016 debates when Trump promised to throw Hillary into jail.

Was Hillary arrested or prosecuted for her crimes?

Try to speak above the crickets, buddy.

Do you not understand the difference between words and actions?

There's a big difference between me calling you an "asshole" or a "baby-killer" and me indicting you for crimes and sending armed police to pick you up.

jim said...

Trump only hires the nicest girls.

jim said...

"Was Hillary arrested or prosecuted for her crimes?"

Is this back to when she murdered that guy in Virginia, or have there been more crimes since then?

Tina Trent said...

Hpudding: incorrect.

Soros, who is now openly partnering with the Koch foundations to free criminals, destroy national borders, and legalize all drugs, is reviled for his efforts to destroy nations and decent people, not his religious identity.

After Britain liberated him and gave him a home and education, he spent decades attacking them and still glories in devaluing the Pound.

I don't blame the child Soros for being obedient to Nazis while being protected from them by a sympathetic family, as a child in wartime is still a child, and all but a few people have the courage to sacrifice their lives and likely their families' lives under the conditions he lived in. But it is disturbing that as an adult he wrote of his interactions with the Nazis as being the most exciting and fun time of his life. His adult remembrances deeply betrayed his rescuers, fellow Jews, and other Holocaust victims.

Our mistake was admitting him to our country. He tried to penetrate Russia and China, but they were too aware of his intentions to allow him to set up shop there. Hungary has soured on the propagandist hard left university he created there to fuel his destructive ambitions, but American academic institutions happily take his money and impose his evil propaganda. Our warped nonprofit rules protect him here.

BillieBob Thorton said...

If there were any decent liberals left in this country they would loudly denounce this latest attempt to get Trump. But there are none so we will continue the slid toward one party rule until our once great country looks like the hell hole that is Venezuela.

We are now past the tipping point so enjoy what’s left of your freedom while you still can.

wendybar said...

"The indictment of President Trump by the Manhattan D.A. Alvin Bragg will determine once and for all whether the Republican party is willing to fight to preserve our country, or will tell their friends to “hold them back” as they pretend to throw punches at a much bigger foe."https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/03/the_indictment_of_president_trump_a_test_of_the_republican_partys_resolve.html

JAORE said...


Imagine you are sitting at home working on the NYT crossword. Your best friend calls. "Hey, (insert your name here) the guy running for DA just announced he planned to indict you".

"For what?" you ask.

"Didn't say. But, boy does he hate you."

"Oh, OK, well he'll soon be in charge of what passes for justice here in Lynchburg. But I'm sure, just sure it will all be done on the up and up". / Goes back to working on the crossword puzzle.

Welcome to America, 2023.

He should have robbed a CVS store.

jim5301 said...

Seems that you all lose a little credibility when you are so certain it is a sham when you haven't seen the charges. Best to at least appear to care about the rule of law.

Rusty said...

Chuck the Pervert exclaimed,
"I’m reflecting on perhaps five years’ worth of abuse that I have received from many Althouse commenters, ridiculing me for the mere suggestion that Trump would, or even could, be indicted after completing his one-term presidency."
You're ridiculed because you're a creep and a liar.
No one here takes you the least bit seriously.
Now fuck off.

DINKY DAU 45 said...

Trump university, trump foundation, trump organization 11 Trump associates have now been charged with crimes. 11! Stone,Manafort,Cohen,Broidy,Flynn and a few other gems.
There’s an old saying that goes something like this: You can judge a man by the company he keeps.
The Republican nominee that righties will have no choice but to vote for again and lose again, this time even more bigly. Trump has always been about fraud and his crew of 11 (just some of them) show the way if it walks like a duck. The walls are closing in they said up in here and it don't seem like the Mexican paid for border wall. Some folks do need to jump off the bridge to know the feeling. The real deal Jack and Fani up next.Ya got to get a new horse to race this nag is played.

Jersey Fled said...

Dinky Dau:

Now do how many Clinton associates have died under mysterious circumstances.

Robert Cook said...

When the charges are revealed, there may be other counts that warrant this indictment. However, if I'm not mistaken--I don't really follow Trump or his ongoing boasts and travails--the only charge made public is the allegation he paid "hush" money to a porn star to ensure she would not reveal his extra-marital indiscretion.

Is that a crime? If the payoff came from public funds, I can see the criminality, but otherwise...? If this is all they've got, or the most damning of the charges, they've got a much less than robust case, flaccid even.

Robert Cook said...

"Remember back when no reasonable prosecutor would dare prosecute the Secretary of State because that would be too banana republicky?"

Why would any public official be exempt from indictment and prosecution for alleged crimes "because that would be too banana republicky?" We should see public officials indicted and prosecuted more frequently. It's the only way to begin separating the crooks from the merely self-serving or incompetent.

Godot said...

I look forward to the first 100 days of Trumps' next presidency.

Robert Cook said...

"Cookie! Get to the courthouse and report."

I am no longer a resident of New York (city or state), alas! (I say "Alas" not because I won't have an opportunity to serve on Trump's jury--I would not want that torture--but because I'm no longer a New Yorker.)

As I have reported here, in my last call for jury duty about four(?) years ago, Donald Trump, Jr. was another who had been called to appear. (This was while his father was the president, and pre-COVID, so 2019, I believe.) I was startled, thinking, "Damn, that man looks like Trump, Jr!" I saw him enter the room where all called for jury duty first report and are then picked (or not) to be sent to various courtrooms to go through voir dire, and I saw him again in the men's room. I was only a few feet from him there and I caught his eye, before looking away. I still wasn't sure it was Don, Jr. Then, when names were called for prospective jurors to report to the first case of the day, the name "Donald Trump, Jr." was announced loud and clear over the mic. Damnation! It was he!

I was also called for that case, and I sat a few rows behind him in the seats where prospective jurors wait to be called up to be questioned and either accepted or rejected to sit on that jury by the lawyers for the case...the voir dire. I finally spotted at least one Secret Service agent assigned to him. He was sitting either next to or behind Jr.--I can't recall clearly--and I spotted the wire in his ear, revealing his Service communication gear. No doubt there were other SS agents in the crowd, equally nondescript.

Jr. was called up to be interviewed...in front of the rest of us, as is customary. He had a surprisingly resonant and deep voice. In the end, he was dismissed from service--no surprise. My long history of jury service on multiple civil and criminal trials in New York State ended that day, as they accumulated the requisite number of jurors and alternatives to serve on the case, and the rest of us were freed, having satisfied our obligation.

Robert Cook said...

"One of Trump's sons said the following yesterday: "We (the family) have never had a speeding ticket until my dad ran for president".

"Quite revealing."


Yes. It shows the police in New York (city and state) knew where their bread was buttered!

Robert Cook said...

"GLENN BECK: 'Donald Trump is not even a person anymore…HE IS A SYMBOL.. He is a symbol of the AVERAGE EVERYDAY GUY that keeps getting screwed every single time.'

Hahaha!

Said about a multi-millionaire asshole who regularly stiffed his contractors on their fees.

Rollo said...

It's the prosecutors who decide for their own reasons that Trump is a crook and the Clintons and Bidens are merely self-serving.

"No one is above the law" has become "There's nobody we can't get."

Mike of Snoqualmie said...

Next Bragg indictment: Trump indicted for riding his escallator without holding the handrail.

walter said...

Chuck is just fine with selective/unfair witch hunt investigations of political opponents.
Chuck said...
"I am afraid you are mistaking me for someone who has an interest in fair treatment of Donald Trump. I'm not your guy. I am interested in smearing him, hurting him and prejudicing people against him."
3/4/16, 4:46 PM

walter said...

Dear Cookie,
YOU prefer your cognitively impaired Biden and his family of internationally compromised "contractors"? Of course you do.
How're you doing packing your Manhattan pad with "migrants"?
Get on that. Bunk beds...and ear plugs.

walter said...

Hey. Maybe your new abode has more room. Fill 'er up Cookie!

PM said...

Just talked to a friend walking in NY. Crowds at Trump Tower.
Trump knows how it is. It's Wag the Dog: "This is nothing!"

Rusty said...

Robert Cook said...
"GLENN BECK: 'Donald Trump is not even a person anymore…HE IS A SYMBOL.. He is a symbol of the AVERAGE EVERYDAY GUY that keeps getting screwed every single time.'

"Hahaha!

Said about a multi-millionaire asshole who regularly stiffed his contractors on their fees."
Ha ha ha!
You know your friend, Karl Marx? Stiffed everybody he ever rented from and never paid his housekeeper. The woman died in poverty under his employ. Engles had to constantly pay off Marx's creditors so he wouldn't wind up in jail.
So why don't you take a step back and address the subject at hand.

Jim at said...

It’s sit by and watch hundreds of thousands of Americans die of a new pandemic that you did nothing about.

It's a shame you weren't one of them.

hpudding said...

Hi Tina,

In your anti-Semitic attempt to reinforce an image of George Soros that might look something like the USHMM collection of 1930s images depicting Jews encircling a globe in their clutches, (something you would do to a non-Jew?) I notice you decided to misquote his time being sheltered from extermination in Hungary so as to strip it of the context connected to how it allowed him to “witness his father’s heroism” in saving other Jews from extermination by, perhaps among other things, alerting them ahead of time to planned deportations.

Did you do that deliberatively or because your right-wing hysteria resources only feed you the information that reinforces your prejudice against one particular Holocaust-surviving cosmopolitan elite who exposes the facades of nationalistic central banks built on speculation?

Robert Cook said...

Blogger walter said...
“Dear Cookie,
YOU prefer your cognitively impaired Biden and his family of internationally compromised "contractors"? Of course you do.
How're you doing packing your Manhattan pad with ’migrants?’
Get on that. Bunk beds...and ear plugs. ”


Why would you think that?

effinayright said...

Cook:

"Said about a multi-millionaire asshole who regularly stiffed his contractors on their fees."
*************************

I always wonder, if Trump regularly stiffed his contractors, and it was widely known that he did, why anyone did business with him.

Seems to me that Trump Tower and all his big projects like Trump Tower would be like that huge Pyongyang hotel in North Kore, unfinished and ugly.

Can anyone explain?

hpudding said...

“Can anyone explain?“

Who did business with him? The producers of his reality tv show that fictitiously portrayed him as some kind of mogul?

Those people also do business making “stars” out of hot messes like Snooki, “The Situation,” the Real Housewives of (fill in the break).

Jesus. Before that his uninherited income stream was dead. Everyone on the East Coast (where half this country’s money is made) knew he was a dried-up loudmouth has-been coasting off his name and the buildings his dad bought to bully NYC.

But the bumpkins of America’s flyover will buy anything.

Hell, you don’t even have to drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park any more. Just have a blonde blowhard talk to them in a cornfield about how rich he pretends to be. They’ll eat it up and swear their firstborn to him.

hpudding said...

Edit: I don’t know if they knew he was a dried-up loudmouth has-been in the 1980s, but certainly by the time he bankrupted a casino in Atlantic City it was obvious the guy was radioactive. Only an idiot can go bankrupt running a casino.

Seriously, the red staters can’t even figure out this much? They really are 30+ years late to the game? Just flaunting inherited wealth excites them that much?

This country is in real trouble.