"... as his party’s standard-bearer? Because Trump knows something that D.C. pundits and what remains of the perpetually out-of-touch Republican establishment has always failed to understand. The defeated former president has never needed the majority of Republicans to control the Grand Old Party. And he won’t need it in 2024. 'Trump has his base. He has a 30-to-35 percent hardcore base that will not leave him,' explained US Representative Fred Upton, a retiring Michigan Republican who is one of the last moderate members in his caucus.... As he competes with a new generation of Republicans such as Florida Governor Ron DeSantis and Missouri Senator Josh Hawley; retreads such as former New Jersey governor Chris Christie and former secretary of state Mike Pompeo; his estranged vice president, Mike Pence; and his even more estranged former congressional ally Representative Liz Cheney, Trump is quite certain that he will again secure the Republican nomination. Trump may be delusional about a lot of things, but he’s not delusional about this."
Writes John Nichols in "Donald Trump Knows How to Win the Republican Presidential Nomination/The defeated former president is running again in 2024 and—despite what some pundits say—he’s the favorite to win the GOP nomination" (The Nation).
That's the headline I clicked on as I passed over the many headlines of the pundits he's talking about.
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Reacting to opening sentence, it sounds like they’re blaming Trump for predicting the red wave. I’m curious if they ever provide evidence for that weird intro.
Well. Let's be fairrrr. It's not entirely clear that all the elections were on the up and up.
The Nation(D) would love for Trump to win the nomination.
My predictions that the leftwing media (The media) would suddenly go soft and bullish on Trump are coming true.
That's what happens when there's a lot of blame to go around. Not enough people trying to really figure out what went wrong and how to fix it and too many people trying to make sure the finger of blame points somewhere else. Fred Upton is every bit as guilty of that as Donald Trump.
Trump secured the 2016 nomination only because more conventional Republicans failed to coalesce around a single candidate. One muffed debate by Rubio ensured that. It is possible that will happen again, but unlikely in my view. But even if I’m right, the Trump base might well stay home in the general election if an embittered Trump tells it to.
When the left tell you wo they want - pay attention.
Because the Republican voters know that Trump isn't the problem.
Ballot Harvesting and Mitch McConnell are the problem.
Scott from Florida is going to challenge McConnell. In a closed door caucus meeting they had words.
The entire Republican leadership in the Senate, House, and Ronna and Doucey and all the rest are going to be on one side and the voters are going to be on the other.
The voters are going to be on the other side with Trump.
If Ron Desantis wants to be President he is going to have to join Trump and help Trump take down the current Republican leadership.
If Desantis sides with McConnell and his donors he is ending his national political career.
"He has a 30-to-35 percent hardcore base"
This is not true. It used to be true, but most of those people have switched to DeSantis along with other Republicans.
Trump is Trump. Biden isn’t running again and the GOP field will be small.
He’ll lose in the GOP primary. And then whine.
"The Nation" is certainly a reliable source for the low down on Trump. And I do mean Lowdown.
He "competes" with Liz Cheney?
Why would Trump decide now? In view of his record in recent election cycles, the most parsimonious explanation is that he wants Dems to win. This way, he maximizes the revulsion of independents and the effects of Dem propaganda on their base.
Trump less the domestic and foreign intrigue, nationwide and congressional insurrections, the virus that came from Wuhan, and JournoLists who bray ceaselessly, maybe. A baby in every pot, a fetus in every closet, and a sustainable economy by choice.
US Representative Fred Upton, a retiring Michigan Republican who is one of the last moderate members in his caucus
"Moderate" Republican as defined by the Nation: vehemently anti-Trump and retiring.
It will be harder for Trump to win this time. DeSantis will have more support than any of his rivals did in 2016. But even back then, the base was more willing to accept him than the party Establishment was.
Trump knows better than anyone that the possibility of disaster under Biden looms large. It could happen at any moment. This way he stayed out of the midterms, technically, but his candidacy is now alive and available and already in place before the Biden/DNC disaster strikes.
That could come through foreign relations, where the bad-guy actors know they can only count for sure on two more years of "Biden." It could happen domestically, where the recession is making its presence felt from layoffs, higher prices, falling stocks, housing weakness, and "concern" that will soon be fear, as the cycle turns.
Trump won't be jumping into the picture like an opportunist after the liberal-policy disaster that is just waiting for us arrives. When the wishy-washy middle realizes they need an actual leader, he will already be there.
The worst that can be said about Trump is that he didn't follow through, and didn't change his domain expert advisors soon enough, but in a climate of domestic and foreign intrigue, nationwide and congressional insurrections, a virus like every other but with novel origin, etc., some, many, perhaps a democratic balance of diversity are curious.
I think it was 8 out of 270 lost.
Yeah some defeat.
Like the way the vietcong "defeated" us in the Tet offensive
When not wearing my tinfoil hat I beginning to the the whole red wave narrative was just an expectation management scheme. Ditto the slow roll of the counts.
Repos did take back the House, held (maybe) the split senate.
But because it was not as good as was expected, it feels like a loss.
And idiots like this can say things like that.
And even today many people, perhaps even some marines like Howard, think we were defeated in Tet. Such is the power of propaganda. Such is the power of the media.
Fwiw, I was one of those who bought into the red wave. I am one who still feels depressed about the election results. I am one of the ones the scam worked on.
John Henry
Trump knows something that D.C. pundits and what remains of the perpetually out-of-touch Republican establishment has always failed to understand
This is true for many things, which is why he is formidable. But both Trump and the establishment cared more about maneuvering for 2024 than figuring out what was going on in 2020. Hopefully, neither will do the same again.
Mike Petrik said...the Trump base might well stay home in the general election if an embittered Trump tells it to.
IMO, too much is being made of this danger. Yes, it may be that millions of people will vote Republican if Trump heads the ticket who would stay home if he's not; but it's also true that Trump running as a Republican will cause millions to vote Democrat. They cancel each other out, and that makes the Trump die-hards irrelevant to the Republican's prospects.
The real test for the Republicans is countering the Democrat's ballot-harvesting operations. They got out-hustled two elections in a row. How do they stop it from becoming three?
But for polls and pundit BS the "red wave" was always wishful thinking for several reasons. Black and Jewish voters and Democrat women. The first two apparently can't help themselves regardless of the detriment to them and theirs under Democrat rule. The women vote for the unrestricted right to kill unborn babies regardless of the detriment to the nation.
Also, Democrat cheating. Democrats were never going to allow Republicans to take the Senate or a few other races, think, "Kari Lake." And the races were likely to be close enough to facilitate the cheat with mail order voting.
Finally, never to be underestimated, there is the burgeoning ignorance of American voters nurtured by a corrupt media and a broken education system.
Trump is right, 2024 is probably the last chance to save whatever is left of the nation. I doubt he, or any Republican, can be elected. The focus of Republicans ought to be on taking the Congress.
Freeman Hunt said...
"He has a 30-to-35 percent hardcore base"
This is not true. It used to be true, but most of those people have switched to DeSantis along with other Republicans.
Desantis is staying silent on the current leadership struggle in the Republican party.
Rick Scott is challenging Mitch McConnell.
If Desantis continues to remain neutral in this then I despair for him. If he wants to be THE leader of the Republican party he needs to lead.
The last several months he has not been a leader. He is listening to the wrong people and taking donations from the wrong people.
a new generation of Republicans such as .... his estranged vice president, Mike Pence
After my wife and I watched Bachelor in Paradise last night, she wanted to watch Pence's hour-long appearance on CNN, and so I watched it along with her.
Pence was questioned by Jake Tapper and by various members of CNN's studio audience.
I never had paid much attention to Pence, but when I watched this show, I came to admire him. He an honest, nice and smart person.
I thought he answered all the questions very intelligently.
I don't think Pence has any chance to win the Republican nomination in 2024, but Republicans should appreciate and respect him.
Sebastian said...
He "competes" with Liz Cheney?
Why would Trump decide now? In view of his record in recent election cycles, the most parsimonious explanation is that he wants Dems to win. This way, he maximizes the revulsion of independents and the effects of Dem propaganda on their base.
Mitch McConnell actually pulled support from Masters in Arizona.
Mitch McConnell pulled that support and used the money to attack Tsibaka in Alaska.
McConnell and Doucey and the NRCC undercut Republicans all over the country. They called them low quality candidates. Doucey said they wouldn't support them.
I don't have to make up stupid fairy tales like you to make my view of the world true.
Trump is the only Republican right now that actually wants Republican VOTERS to win.
Desantis will either join the side of the voters or he will join Mitch.
He cannot keep hiding for long.
Perhaps the "only Trump can save us - purge the entire GOPe" crowd and the Left can join forces.
Trump or bust!
Trump may not have enough hard core support to win the nomination - I don't know. If not, I bet he'll launch an independent bid just to screw the Republicans. For spite. Given that he's a two time loser, maybe that sport will dwindle away.
If DeSantis makes one wrong move - he will be OUT with the Ever-Trumpers.
Trump, in the mean time, plays 4-D chess and even his screw-ups are a masterful stoke of time-bending genius.
Mike Petrik said...
Trump secured the 2016 nomination only because more conventional Republicans failed to coalesce around a single candidate. One muffed debate by Rubio ensured that.
This is complete garbage. Trump went 1 on 1 with Ted Cruz.
He defeated Cruz because he motivated the working class to join the Republican party.
It is possible that will happen again, but unlikely in my view. But even if I’m right, the Trump base might well stay home in the general election if an embittered Trump tells it to.
A complete misreading of what happened. The "Trump Base" are not Republicans. They hate Republicans.
Republicans are the party of amnesty, endless wars, and free trade with China.
We will not support a party of endless wars, amnesty, and free trade with China.
The people who are giving Desantis money right now are the CoC megadonors that want endless wars, amnesty, and free trade with China.
When the GOPe complains about "Trump being bitter" that is complete dishonest bullshit. You people are not being honest about what you support.
Both parties are coalitions. They have to keep all the parts nailed down to win, or pick up the votes somewhere else. I'm pretty sure the Republicans can't currently win the Presidency without Trump's voters. But, as Ann Coulter just put it in a "Trump must go" column: "the one method that I am absolutely, positively, 100% sure will not work is to attack Trump supporters as deplorable, white supremacist insurrectionists." Do ya think the GOPe can manage to not do that? LOL. They despise the Scots Irish. They can't help but show it. So they're going to lose.
I find it interesting that Trump didn't get a rise out of DeSantis. Not sure what to make of it.
Some election analysis from Powerline. The pollsters conclusion: Independents do not like Trump and will vote against him even when he is not on the ballot. As I have said before: Independents are the key to victory and Independents do not like Trump!
The writer of this shit is a member of the Dmocratic Socialist of America. He wants only good things for the Republican Party, the USA and Trump.
The left are not afraid of Trump. They hate him... and they know how to handle him.
They know how to set the traps... They know how to maneuver the propaganda.
Trump won in 2016 -because yes - his support was real, but the left buttressed it all by giving him the spotlight, and suffocated all the others. Again- the left wanted Trump, and we got Trump.
That Trump won by just 30,000 votes in 3 states - is a miracle. A miracle that saved us from that conniving wretched crook Hillary, and her conniving lying clutches... but that will never happen again.
We will never know if a Cruz, A Walker, A Rubio would have fared better. Ever-Trumper crystal-ballers insist - No - but that is un-knowable.
In the mean time - the left will continue to push old man Trump.
Mike S 9:35
Thanks for that. Hang on for Ever-Trumper bombs coming your way.
The reason Trump announced so soon has nothing to do with anything written here. There is only one reason. Here is a hint: DOJ.
"We want him on that wall. We need him on that wall."
Sincerely,
the Media
Hunter Biden's tax payer funded Hooker said...
If DeSantis makes one wrong move - he will be OUT with the Ever-Trumpers.
Trump, in the mean time, plays 4-D chess and even his screw-ups are a masterful stoke of time-bending genius.
Your dishonesty is past the point of bad faith.
You cannot deal with what I am actually saying.
I want Desantis to win. But Desantis will not win if he sides with Mitch McConnell and the GOPe shitheads that are betraying the voters. Desantis will not win if he acts like Mitt Romney did in 2012 letting the media/mega donors attack Trump and his working class supporters while sitting back. We will not support that Republican party because it does not represent us.
You and Inga are twins. You support different people but you are fundamentally identical in your tribalistic stupidity and your dishonest representations.
Trump is basically a 21st century President John Tyler. Tyler nominally called himself a Whig to get elected, but he was fundamentally a Southern Democrat who just did not like Andrew Jackson. Trump is a Democrat who hated Obama but is much mor comfortable insulting Republicans like Ted Cruz and DeSantis.
Ficta said...
Both parties are coalitions. They have to keep all the parts nailed down to win, or pick up the votes somewhere else. I'm pretty sure the Republicans can't currently win the Presidency without Trump's voters. But, as Ann Coulter just put it in a "Trump must go" column: "the one method that I am absolutely, positively, 100% sure will not work is to attack Trump supporters as deplorable, white supremacist insurrectionists." Do ya think the GOPe can manage to not do that? LOL. They despise the Scots Irish. They can't help but show it. So they're going to lose.
In the end the Republican party voters will make a choice.
It will be a working class TEA/MAGA party or it will be a CoC party.
If we get rid of the Cruise Ship CoC Republicans we will replace them 10 to 1 with working class minorities and democrats that are being driven out by the corrupt warmongering democrat party.
If Mitch and Doucey and McDaniel are still in the Republican party in 2024 then the Republican party will die and only stupid tribalistic tools will cling to it.
Desantis is a founding member of the Congressional Conservative Caucus.
It is shocking to me that he is staying silent and taking massive CoC donations right now.
"But, as Ann Coulter just put it in a "Trump must go" column: "the one method that I am absolutely, positively, 100% sure will not work is to attack Trump supporters as deplorable, white supremacist insurrectionists." Do ya think the GOPe can manage to not do that? LOL. They despise the Scots Irish. They can't help but show it. So they're going to lose."
THIS^^^
"But, as Ann Coulter just put it in a "Trump must go" column: "the one method that I am absolutely, positively, 100% sure will not work is to attack Trump supporters as deplorable, white supremacist insurrectionists." Do ya think the GOPe can manage to not do that? LOL. They despise the Scots Irish. They can't help but show it. So they're going to lose."
THIS^^^
Trumps endorsed candidates won +80% rate.
Trump is Trump. Biden isn’t running again and the GOP field will be small.
I question this assumption. Prior to the midterms this was more likely, but by any measurement Biden dodged a massive bullet: he came through the midterms with minimal losses in the House, and a stronger Dem Senate which will enable him to push through his appointees. They can't force him out without either a) a bloody primary battle, or b) revealing the extent of his mental decline. Either is likely to turn off independents.
Hunter Biden's tax payer funded Hooker said...
Perhaps the "only Trump can save us - purge the entire GOPe" crowd and the Left can join forces.
Trump or bust!
As dishonest as your post is you accidentally hit on the truth.
We want to purge the CoC and their platform from the Republican party and make the Republican party represent the majority of Americans rather than your CoC heroes and the people that have been betraying Republican voters for over 30 years.
... I don't know. If not, I bet he'll launch an independent bid just to screw the Republicans. For spite.
Doesn't matter. Republicans have no desire to be in the majority. Majority, Minority, the grift is just the same. Leading is hard work, why put in the effort?
I also like how any candidate Trump supported is now alleged without evidence to be “hand-picked” by Trump. So Kari, JD etc were just passive rubes minding their own business until Trump enlisted them?
That’s a new myth. Not a very good one.
Trump has lost his own plot. He won in 2016 by convincing disaffected voters that he was running for the benefit of people like them. Now, his message is all about himself. Trying to knife DeSantis while DeSantis is remaking the political culture of his state and cruising to a huge win is just the latest example (and made Trump look like a small ankle-biter).
DeSantis has a solid record of prosperity and good management, topped off by rebuilding that causeway in three days. He's governed from the right as to the pandemic and children's education. He owns the immigration issue (which takes away Trump's biggest 2016 selling point -- he's no longer the only candidate prepared to secure the border). DeSantis is military, with a peaceful family life and no hint of personal scandal. He's disciplined and gruff, but not caustic.
Basically, DeSantis has centrist appeal and checks all the boxes for the Republican base, except score-settling for 2020. In my view, that's a secondary issue for most Republican voters, and DeSantis should cruise through the primaries. But who knows?
The Nation and its leftist ilk have an insight into the hedonic cycle of The Lost Cause Candidacy. For the next 23 and 1/2 months, those who love love love Trump will get to mentally rehearse their future euphoria when he is returned to the White House. The polls showing Trump to be a McGovern-like anchor to American conservative hopes will be dismissed as bad sampling or MSM misinformation. To his strongest adherents, only Trump can make the flowers brighter and the music better. They will get almost two years of blissful anticipation, and then only one sad day when they can blame the disaster upon the insufficiently principled and much hated establishment Republicans. And they will congratulate themselves for having prevented evil establishment Republicans (i.e., anyone other than Trump) from gaining political power.
For those who recall social psychologist Leon Festinger, the aftermath will be similar to the cognitive dissonance Festinger demonstrated among those who in 1955 believed the prediction of a Chicago housewife who foretold an invasion from outer space. After it failed to materialize, the believers explained it to themselves as a test run in which the preparations for the invasion in fact deterred the invaders. For a true believer, facts can be rearranged to make anything coherent, explicable, and in no way threatening to your good opinion of yourself.
Althouse Blog Commissar (self-appointed): "My predictions that the leftwing media (The media) would suddenly go soft and bullish on Trump are coming true."
LOL...wrong!
Completely disproved on Day 1 of the Trump announcement by how the entire media firmament reported the announcement. But only completely disproved.
Althouse Blog Commissar (self-appointed): "Perhaps the "only Trump can save us - purge the entire GOPe" crowd and the Left can join forces. Trump or bust!"
LOL
Written just as your entire GOPe leadership is pledging cooperation and collaboration with Biden AND when Schumer/McConnell are speaking about their shared "vision" for the republican party! That would be your GOPe heroes.
Althouse Blog Commissar (self-appointed): "If DeSantis makes one wrong move - he will be OUT with the Ever-Trumpers."
LOL...Wrong Again, as expected. It has been explicitly laid out what some of us are looking for in DeSantis. It is no mystery at all.
I think it may be time to rename our Althouse Blog Commissar (self-appointed) to "180 Man" as every single thing you post is 180 degrees out of whack with reality.
But only 180 degrees out of whack.
Not to worry though. You have additional "powerhouses" like Larry Hogan and Asa Hutchinson going all in with Team GOPe and we all know how hard they'll be fighting for conservative policies.........and by writing "fighting for conservative polices" in regards to the GOPe I of course mean "fighting hard against conservative policies and giving democraticals more wins".
Ficta: " Do ya think the GOPe can manage to not do that? LOL. They despise the Scots Irish. They can't help but show it. So they're going to lose."
No, they can't. Witness what the usual GOPe Suspects at Althouse blog are writing. They are insulting Melania's appearance (Steven Tyler in drag is what I recall), claiming Trump is just like Charlie Crist, denigrating any and all achievements that lots of us supported, etc.
It's like they've had their shackles removed and they can finally let their pro-McConnell/Romney/Cheney/Frank Luntz Freak Flags fly.
The next thing you'll know they'll be claiming they can smell Trump supporters in Walmarts.
As [Trump] competes with... retreads such as former New Jersey governor Chris Christie
Chris Christie is not competition.
When Nichols described the Republican establishment as “perpetually out-of-touch” I thought his article might be worth reading. But then he described Liz Cheney as a “former congressional ally” and I knew that he didn’t know Jack Shit. Cheney’s political career is dead; she just hasn’t quite grasped that yet.
Trump can win by;
(1) Getting competent political advisors on board and listening to them. He needs Bannon back, or someone much like Bannon. I would describe his political instincts as being very good strategically but abysmal tactically. He needs to stop listening to his sons and idiots like Sean Hannity, and start listening to good advice.
(2) He’s going to have to remind working people how relatively well they had it in 2018 and 2019, in the face of the Biden administration and the news media telling them that their economic improvement was all a mirage and it never really happened.
(3) He needs to shift the blame for lockdowns onto Democrat governors like Whitmer, Cuomo, Murphy, Newsome, et.al., and the unscientific “science” pushed by Rochelle Walensky, Fauci, and Birx. Since Birx has since published a book where she boasts of tailoring her advice to damage Trump, it’s not a hard case to make. And there’s plenty of anecdotal evidence that Fauci deliberately did all he could to block the use of low-cost, effective treatments in order to collect royalties from ineffective vaccines. Along with that highlight Joe Biden’s mandatory vaccine fiat despite the attendant health risks. IMHO Trump’s failure to respond to the very effective Biden campaign commercials linking him to lockdowns was part of why he lost.
(4) He needs to defuse the abortion issue.
(5) He needs to make peace with Ron DeSantis. A public pledge that they will compete honestly and honorably in the primary and fully support whoever wins in the general would be a huge step towards winning. (Yes, that looks means no more cheap insults.)
If he does all that, he has a chance. Skip any one, and his chances go way down. Skip two and he’s toast — and he will have toasted himself.
Trump came up with specific numbers in his announcement: over 200 endorsements by him, maybe 232, and only 22 losses?
I'm not going to try to go through lists to confirm this, but I hope someone else does. NBC said on Nov. 15:
"In the contests the NBC News Decision Desk is projecting, 195 Trump-backed candidates have won their races, 30 have lost, six are in races not yet called and two are headed to runoffs. (The Decision Desk does not call all statewide races, and does not project winners in legislative or local elections, so those were excluded from the count.)
"But two-thirds of those candidates were not in races the NBC News Political Unit considered competitive, based on political dynamics of those races and ad spending.
Of the competitive races overall, 42 Trump-backed candidates won, 29 lost, six are in races not yet called and two are headed to runoffs.
"And a candidate was more likely to lose a competitive race if he or she echoed Trump's lies that the 2020 presidential election was stolen. Twenty-eight of the 29 who lost denied or cast doubt on Biden's victory."
When the numbers are all in, the best Trump can hope for is 50 wins, 29 losses. Surely not bad. Even 42/36 isn't terrible.
The people who are giving Desantis [sic] money right now are the CoC megadonors that want endless wars, amnesty, and free trade with China.
Outside of misspelling DeSantis’s name, Achilles is quite right. One of the things that Donald Trump noticed in 2016 (if not before) is that the Chamber of Commerce felt it could dictate policies to the Republicans, but in the big elections the bulk of contributions from large corporations went to Democrats. The CoC needs to either keep their members in line or get out of the game.
"Trump knows better than anyone that the possibility of disaster under Biden looms large. It could happen at any moment. This way he stayed out of the midterms, technically, but his candidacy is now alive and available and already in place before the Biden/DNC disaster strikes."
Yes. And it gives him a platform to weigh in on every Democrat fuck-up.
And, no, if he loses the nomination, Trump is not going to run as an Independent. That's an oft-predicted political trope that almost never happens. Trump will throw his weight behind DeSantis or keep mum.
He doesn't like the GOPe, but he fucking hates the Donk frauds who libeled and tormented him for years.
86% of Trump's endorsed candidates won. In the tightest races, 38% won in "battleground" locales. 45% of his endorsed governor candidates won, more if Dunleavy takes Alaska.
Jeez, if he keeps losing like that, he might just turn the Senate over to the Republicans in the next election.
Blogger Achilles said...
Because the Republican voters know that Trump isn't the problem.
Ballot Harvesting and Mitch McConnell are the problem.
Scott from Florida is going to challenge McConnell. In a closed door caucus meeting they had words.
The entire Republican leadership in the Senate, House, and Ronna and Doucey and all the rest are going to be on one side and the voters are going to be on the other.
The voters are going to be on the other side with Trump.
If Ron Desantis wants to be President he is going to have to join Trump and help Trump take down the current Republican leadership.
If Desantis sides with McConnell and his donors he is ending his national political career.
11/17/22, 9:04 AM
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Riddle me this Trumptard - If the voters are with Trump how is it that in every case where Trumptard candidate was on the same ballot as a non-Trumptard candidate the Trumptard candidate pulled in signigantly fewer votes than the non-Trumptard candidate?
The only RINO’s on this board are the Trumptards who cannot articulate a path to victory - maybe because they do not want victory.
https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/11/17/receipts-anti-trump-republican-billionaires-deeply-tied-to-chinese-communist-regime/
The article details how News Corp, the parent of the New York Post and Wall Street Journal, took a 9-figure loan from a Chinese Communist-owned bank.
And that’s just the beginning of it. Perhaps Murdoch’s ex-wife, alleged Chinese Communist spy Wendi Deng, could shed more light on the matter.
Then there’s Ken Griffin. Two days before the midterms, the financier spoke to Politico about how he wants to spend his billions to get Gov. Ron DeSantis in the White House.
Griffin himself became massively wealthy – an estimated net worth of $22 billion – through his investment firm Citadel. A report this year revealed that in 2006, Citadel “loaned $110 million to China Security & Surveillance Technology. The company used the funds to acquire ‘10 of the 50 biggest surveillance companies in China.’”
Citadel is also partly owned now by Sequoia Capital, which is the venture capital firm that “has produced more investment gains from China” than any other firm and has close ties to the CCP. Sequoia’s China division even employed a daughter of a politburo member.
The list goes on and on (and on and on)..
Surprisingly, the CCP now OWNS america's politicians,
Surprisingly, the CCP hates Trump,
Surprisingly, america's politicians hate Trump,
Surprisingly, the CCP now OWNS america's media,
Surprisingly, the CCP hates Trump,
Surprisingly, america's media hates Trump,
We are now all slaves to the Chinese Communist Party
In the Immortal words, of John McClane; "welcome to Party, pal!"
The common theme uniting Trumpists is a profound distrust of the political and media establishment, i.e., a conviction that the establishment regardless of political affiliation is horribly corrupt and completely out-of-touch with common Americans. And Trumpists will not move off that position until the establishment begins to cleanse itself.
hombre said....
"Finally, never to be underestimated, there is the burgeoning ignorance of American voters nurtured by a corrupt media and a broken education system."
Lance said... "I find it interesting that Trump didn't get a rise out of DeSantis. Not sure what to make of it."
Because DeSantis is smart and will let Trump dig his own grave.
Yes, Trump's handpicked candidates only all but 20 of the national offices, however, over 200 state and local seats were won by Trump supporters. It's from state and local offices that national candidates come. Boards of Education and county supervisor offices are well stocked with Trump people. Donald Trump will e with us for decades to come.
AMDG: "The only RINO’s on this board are the Trumptards who cannot articulate a path to victory - maybe because they do not want victory."
First, I'm surprised you didn't devote your comment to insulting Melania's looks, something you appear to enjoy doing.
Secondly, we are all still waiting for one of you Ever-McConnell electoral rocket scientists to articulate a path to victory for anyone not named Trump.
You haven't done so, perhaps because you cannot, or perhaps because you don't want victory for Republicans, you simply want more McConnell/Romney victories for your democratical allies. And why shouldn't you, after all, McConnell and Schumer share the same vision for the republican party because of course they do and we know precisely what THAT vision is......
There seems to be an underlying assumption here that the next two years will be some kind of triumphal march for the Democrats, instead of an endless series of fuck-ups and embarrassments that Trump, or any other tough-minded Republican, can exploit.
AMDG: "Riddle me this Trumptard ...."
Riddle us this McConnelltard, if DeSantis is the solution that will give us "Trump's policies without Trump's baggage", why is it that ALL of DeSantis' biggest donors and his advisor team are ALL big time anti-America First policies across the board?
Explain precisely how/when/in what way DeSantis will take all of their advice and cash and then, magically, go against their policy wishes.
Take you time. Reason it out and explain it to us. I can hardly wait to behold the genius behind this move of DeSantis to sucker all these cats into his plan to secretly deliver on America First policies on the backs of anti-America First cash.
Don't leave us in suspense now! Wow us all!
Go ahead........the floor is yours......
gilbar: "The list goes on and on (and on and on)..
Surprisingly, the CCP now OWNS america's politicians,
Surprisingly, the CCP hates Trump,
Surprisingly, america's politicians hate Trump,
Surprisingly, the CCP now OWNS america's media,
Surprisingly, the CCP hates Trump,
Surprisingly, america's media hates Trump,
We are now all slaves to the Chinese Communist Party
In the Immortal words, of John McClane; "welcome to Party, pal!""
Careful gilbar. AMDG et al have been patiently explaining how all of that is a lie and besides, its all Trump's fault anyway. Plus, Ron DeSantis is going to rescue us from all of that....even though "all of that" is what is backing Ron DeSantis.
But DeSantis is going to take all that support and then surprise us by going against them all.
AMDG has all the info and I'm sure he/she/xe will be sharing the inside scoop with how that is going to happen any moment now........
...any moment now.......
Achilles and Drago are going to be busy boys countering all the people here who have left the Trump Cult. I think back to the guys in Guyana standing with guns making sure none of the cultists got out of line for their turn to drink the red cool aid.
I suggest both sides of the Trump/De Santis fight on this board read this post by Ace, if you haven't already. See if by the end he's talking to you.
Trait reactance. You're soaking in it. Both sides.
https://ace.mu.nu/archives/401941.php
And stfu, Inga.
"Riddle me this Trumptard - If the voters are with Trump how is it that in every case where Trumptard candidate was on the same ballot as a non-Trumptard candidate the Trumptard candidate pulled in signigantly fewer votes than the non-Trumptard candidate?"
Foolish to attack your own side like this. With your attitude, why would any REAL conservative WANT to vote for YOUR candidates. You are just showing how much YOU and the RINOS hate us. Let it burn. No unity with idiots like you spewing your stupid hate.
Milo Minderbinder said...
The common theme uniting Trumpists is a profound distrust of the political and media establishment, i.e., a conviction that the establishment regardless of political affiliation is horribly corrupt and completely out-of-touch with common Americans. And Trumpists will not move off that position until the establishment begins to cleanse itself.
11/17/22, 12:39 PM
Along with some of the snarky Trump haters on this thread....like AMDG who is showing his true colors.
They left, and joined YOUR cult Inga. Enjoy the downfall together.
Russia Collusion Truther and Hillary/FBI Hoax Dossier Dead Ender Inga: "Achilles and Drago are going to be busy boys countering all the people here who have left the Trump Cult. I think back to the guys in Guyana standing with guns making sure none of the cultists got out of line for their turn to drink the red cool aid."
What's amusing is you don't have the slightest clue about what is being discussed or why. It makes your mental meanderings even more laughable. However congratulations are in order for you Team Democraticals though. Looks like you're going to have a primo Election Denier as head of the Dem House Caucus moving forward.
And speaking of more stark Inga/dem reversals, did you happen to catch the Washington Post's article yesterday about the "super duper secret nuclear code records" at Mar A Lago?
Remember how you screamed and screamed about that over and over again like a wind up toy for those who do your thinking for you? Well, don't worry, "teh interwebs" are forever:
Inga: "Seemingly Trump has a lot to hide. So this judge made a ruling that will delay things…but the Feds already know what are in the documents he stole(?). He can try to delay the investigation, he won’t be able to stop it. Eventually it will be known to Americans what Trump was up to."
9/5/22, 1:51 PM
So Inga, now that we actually do know so much more about what was there, anything you would like us to know about "what Trump was up to"?
Russia Collusion Truther and Hillary/FBI Hoax Dead Ender Inga: "I think back to the guys in Guyana standing with guns making sure none of the cultists got out of line for their turn to drink the red cool aid."
Those guys holding the guns, as well as the people drinking the kool aid, as well as the leader of the whole shebang, were....democrats.
Congratulations on another fantastic self-own born of ignorance! You never disappoint!
Well, almost never. Not even I thought you would ever sink so low as to proclaim fathers showering with daughters a thing that "perfectly normal" families do. Now that's some REAL kool-aid drinking thinking right there.
Trump can win if he suddenly grows up and starts acting like a thoughtful adult rather than a petulant teenager.
BTW, I voted for him twice and contributed quite a bit to his campaigns.
Does anyone ever notice that the Trumptards (primarily Achilles & Drag Queen) are unable to articulate a path to victory for the Fat Tub of Goo given his standing among independents. Nor can they explain why Trumptard candidates consistently polled behind non-Trumptard candidates.
DeSantis provided a blueprint to a path to victory. He spent four years expanding his constituency while Trump spent four years intentionally diminishing his.
Oh Drag Queen, I am sorry you are so exercised about my comment on Melenia’s looks. Were you just as exercised whenTrump made his comments about Carly Fiorina and Heidi Cruz or is your outrage selective? No need to answer, I am sure you have some idiotic justification for Trump’s behavior.
Centrist donor money is flowing to DeSantis because he's the strong horse. Business money is flowing to DeSantis because he's cultivated a pro-business environment. I have seen nothing in DeSantis's governance thus far to suggest that he is swinging left in response. These are good signs for 2024 that they are coming to him. It will take broad appeal for a Republican to win; enforcing second-order ideological purity is a recipe for a loss.
Blogger Milo Minderbinder said...
The common theme uniting Trumpists is a profound distrust of the political and media establishment, i.e., a conviction that the establishment regardless of political affiliation is horribly corrupt and completely out-of-touch with common Americans. And Trumpists will not move off that position until the establishment begins to cleanse itself.
The Ingas of the world cannot figure this out. We had a handy man worker over today. He has his own business and does good work. His daughter who is about 18 works with him learning the trade. We got talking about the election. He is convinced, as am I, that the AZ election was manipulated in Maricopa County. However, he also agreed with me that Kari Lake's statement that she did not want the votes of McCain fans was a mistake.
Contrary to the resident dullard, the Trump fans are not a "cult." They are working people who pay attention to politics and noticed how Trump kept his promises, unlike the other Republicans. McCain ran his last election with the motto "Build the Damn wall!" Right up until the election was over.
AMDG @3:07PM failed to provide an articulated "path to victory" for any candidate not named Trump. Which is strange, since these McConnelltards claim that basically anyone not named Trump will defeat any democratical candidate in 2024, yet somehow, the path for that remains mysterious.
In fact, the McConnelltards beloved Paul Ryan said that just yesterday, and no one better represents the McConnelltards at Althouse better than Paul Ryan.
Well, I guess in lieu of an articulated pathway to 270 for any candidate not named Trump in 2024, one could just substitute a few more insults about Melania.
That will continue to be the speed of the McConnelltards. Well, that and cutting deals with Schumer.
Tom T.: "Centrist donor money is flowing to DeSantis because he's the strong horse. Business money is flowing to DeSantis because he's cultivated a pro-business environment. I have seen nothing in DeSantis's governance thus far to suggest that he is swinging left in response."
Then you failed to read the explicit statement of Ken Griffin of Citadel Capital in Politico just a few days ago, though it has been referenced on this blog on mulitiple threads multiple times over the last week.
In that interview, Griffin laid out their (the big donors) intent, and it wasn't an America First viewpoint. It was much more of a WEF/globalist agenda.
But again, I guess DeSantis is so sly and so slick he is going to soak these cats out of a couple billion for a Presidential run and then turn around and NOT give them what they want.
Sure. That's the ticket.
“Those guys holding the guns, as well as the people drinking the kool aid, as well as the leader of the whole shebang, were....democrats.”
The Trumpists of today have more in common with them than any Democrat. Just listen to all the frantic pushback from Achilles and Drago whenever any normal Republican voices anti Trump sentiment. It’s all here in these threads since De Santis became more well known.
Trump cultists are having a rough time of it. Normal Republicans either are leaving you behind or have already left you behind. Can’t say I feel sorry for you. If you aren’t able to run out of the burning house that Trump is and would rather sing his praises, well that’s on you, until you go down into the ash heap of history right along with your cult leader. Your progeny will wonder what the hell was wrong with you and may actually view you like the Japanese soldiers who stayed in the caves fighting for decades after the war ended.
CoC/ Chamber Of Commerce is now ... bad bad bad.
Trump's billionaire deals with the Saudis? Super cool & as PURE as the wind driven snow. Now - please, open up your wallets and give to Trump.
CoC/ Chamber Of Commerce is now ... bad bad bad.
Trump's billionaire deals with the Saudis? Super cool & as PURE as the wind driven snow. Now - please, open up your wallets and give to Trump.
"Trump can win if he suddenly grows up and starts acting like a thoughtful adult rather than a petulant teenager."
This statement should end in the same way those old SNL skits with Steve Martin as Theodonic of Yorick ended. After a whole series of "Maybe..." including some such as "Perhaps future medicine could be based on the scientific method..."
And of course he ends all of this conjecture about the future, our future, with
"NAAAA!!!"
When will we learn, Donald Trump WILL NOT CHANGE!
all the word wrestling just for nomination of DeSantis?
what about the election in 2024 November?
Russia Collusion Truther and Hillary/FBI Hoax Dossier Dead Ender Inga: "The Trumpists of today have more in common with them than any Democrat."
LOL
Yes folks, you read that right. Inga is trying to pull another "southern strategy" switcheroo where her fellow past democraticals are suddenly today's republicans!
Inga, I don't know how else to explain this to you, but that kind of BS is only going to convince people stupid enough for fall for things like a hoax dossier, hoax pee tapes, hoax secret nuclear codes (OMG!), etc. You know, people like.......you.
Althouse Blog Commissar (self-appointed): "CoC/ Chamber Of Commerce is now ... bad bad bad."
"THE SLOW MIGRATION of the elite wing of the Republican Party into the Democratic fold saw its most pronounced movement earlier this month when the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, long an appendage of the GOP, overcame internal dissension to endorse 23 vulnerable House Democrats for reelection, along with a slate of 30 Democratic congressional candidates total."
https://theintercept.com/2020/09/24/chamber-of-commerce-democrats/
Naturally, our Althouse Blog Commissar (self-appointed) finds nothing wrong with this supposedly pro-business/pro-republican group funding democraticals across the board. And why would he? He is perfectly okay with McConnell kicking cash over to help democrats attacking republicans so the Chamber of Commerce going full democratical isn't really that big of a deal.
Instead, just like a stupid gadfly or Howard-type poster (his newest rhetorical allies), our Althouse Blog Commissar (self-appointed) wants to discuss the Trump family business, a business that's been around for almost a century, and cast aspersions on its operations with a dumb as a rock comment like this:
Althouse Blog Commissar (self-appointed): "Trump's billionaire deals with the Saudis? Super cool & as PURE as the wind driven snow. Now - please, open up your wallets and give to Trump."
Yes dumbo, the Trump Organization licenses its brand name for approved organizations to use on their resort/hotel/golf course properties assuming those properties maintain the level of performance required to meet the licensing agreement. Across the globe, whether you like it or not, and clearly you do not like it all, the Trump brand is viewed as valuable by other businesspersons and acts an international draw for customers.
I hope I didn't make you weep with that information. If I did, I'm sure some of your sellout GOPe-er or new dem allies can provide some comfort to your wounded ego.
And the deal with Dar Al Arkan won't be worth "billions". The overall project cost will be approximately $1.6B but the licensing agreement will be a much smaller amount, obviously. Well, obviously to anyone who does some minimal basic research........and we know that group always excludes you.
And if you're pissed off at the $2B the Saudi's contributed to the $3B total Jared Kushner raised for his Affinity Investment fund which will allow the funds from Arabs to flow into Israeli projects and potentially the reverse as well (all as a follow on to the Abraham Accords) well, I'm not sure what else there is to say to an angry little fella like you.
Neither Jared nor Trump are in the govt so they aren't leveraging their govt positions and they sure don't have any leverage with the current govt. They are private citizens despite what you/dems/GOPe-ers have to say about it and they are free to conduct business as they see fit, not as you see fit.
Meanwhile, DeSantis' funders are in deep with the ChiComs and lots of others. Any concerns there? (I'm guessing none at all)
Reading your drivel has become like peeking in on DailyKos.
Quick clarification question for Inga: when you call some republicans "normal", does that mean you are assuming the fathers are showering with their daughters, similar to how you define "perfectly normal" families on the democratical side?
I would think your new allies such as AMDG/Althouse Blog Commissar (self-appointed) would appreciate some specifics.
I’ve been reading Althouse for a long-ass time. Gotta say, it’s kind of fun that we’re here debating Trump like it’s the early months of 2016. And with probably the same degree of pessimism about his chances of success.
Love him or hate him, the man just gives and gives.
Fun thought experiment: Granting his supposed unpopularity with “independents” (dubious if he truly is polling even with Biden), is he in a better or worse position than when the “grab ‘em by the pussy” statement was made public back then?
Anyone who claims that Liz Cheney was a "former congressional ally" of Trump clearly understands the political nuance of this country, particularly the parts of the country to the right of AOC, and should be taken very seriously.
When will we learn, Donald Trump WILL NOT CHANGE!
Then he’ll lose.
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