July 5, 2022

"I am appalled that even as a healer I have to get my cup poured into in this incident, but in this incident I will continue to pour into other people's cup as a way to pour into my own cup."

Said Charles Murrell, "an artist and peace advocate in the Boston area." 

Quoted in "Community Leaders Condemn Hate After White Supremacists March Through Boston/Photos and videos on social media appeared to show throngs of protesters marching under the banner of the Patriot Front, characterized by the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center as a white supremacist group; Boston Mayor Michelle Wu and other city leaders have spoken out" (NBC Boston).
According to a police report, Murrell was walking down the street when he was in the middle of a group of men with masks who shoved and pushed him. He fought back, and then more men went after him, knocking him to the ground. He received stitches to his hand and had cuts to his head.

This is a strange incident. Is there video of the attack on Murrell? The description begins in medias res: "he was in the middle of a group of men." Did he insert himself into the middle of the group as an act of art/activism? Or was he an ordinary pedestrian who found himself surrounded by men on the march?

And who were these men? Why were they masked if they were just marching down the street with flags and drumming? It doesn't seem as though they were chanting anything or giving interviews. But they had a "Patriot Front" flag. I've blogged about Patriot Front people twice: 1. December 2021/a march at the Lincoln Memorial, and 2. June 2022/31 people found in a U-Haul and accused of conspiracy to riot.

But I was most interested in Murrell's quote with the cup imagery: "I am appalled that even as a healer I have to get my cup poured into in this incident, but in this incident I will continue to pour into other people's cup as a way to pour into my own cup." There seems to be some accepted notion of a person's life or soul as a cup, and interactions with other people as a pouring of whatever is in your cup into theirs.

My google search turns up articles like this — "Pouring From An Empty Cup" — that make me think this is somewhat standard metaphor in therapy:

Pouring from an empty cup is where a person gives from a place of deficiency.... Many people who pour from an empty cup mistake selfishness with self-care.... There is nothing selfish about putting one’s needs before others in order to function properly.... What you want is to feel good about yourself and to feel loved and accepted. Unfortunately, we cannot feel loved and accepted if we do not love and accept ourselves.... When we give from a full cup, we feel like much better people. Our inward motives are matching our outward actions. We are being our true selves....

84 comments:

rhhardin said...

I never heard of them but Scott Adams commented yesterday that they seem to consist exclusively of Feds running a false flag operation. There's nothing they believe, no agenda, etc.

Tina Trent said...

One would need journalism to solve this mystery.

gilbar said...

WHY is the FBI allowed to do this?
WHY do we live in a country, where Federal Agents can march and terrify citizens?
DEFUND THE FBI!!!

rwnutjob said...

Feds again. they get called out every time, but the apparently don't care when they are busted. They just do it again in support of the white supremacist narrative

Enigma said...

More than a few people believe that the awkward, khaki-panted Patriot Front is either controlled and directed by federal agency infiltrators or a direct federal agency fear-mongering propaganda unit. In any case, they are too cartoonish for most people to take seriously. Except perhaps those with empty cups or empty heads.

Next up, a real-life version of singing and dancing KKK in the absurdist musical "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" Or a real version "Springtime for Hitler" from The Producers?

Has anyone wokester born after 1990 seen either of these films, or any sense of dark humor?

Kevin said...

They really hate the “hate” groups.

rwnutjob said...

Feds again. they get called out every time, but the apparently don't care when they are busted. They just do it again in support of the white supremacist narrative

rehajm said...

False flag. Who are these people? is the correct question. The left needs villains and the best villains have names. People not ‘groups’. The incurious nature of the left here is a good sign of false flag. Also the blue city location, where arrests of protesters, inconveniently curious media asking who the protestors are, and the people harassing the inconveniently curious media asking who the protesters are, can all be controlled by George Soros…

Gusty Winds said...

Ahh yes. The Feds in Khaki's. The Eddie Bauer Klan. Give me a break.

This is a fake group. The photo op detainment of this group in Idaho was just that. A photo op. It's purpose is clear. It allows local liberal leaders to scream "white-supremacy" and then ignore the that actual deterioration of their cities. And is cements the delusion among liberals that white supremacy is the actual root cause to our current problems.

It's all the same. Just like the first people filmed breaking windows at the Capitol on J6. They weren't Trump supporters. The federal agitators placed in the crowd. The capitol police moving barricades and holding the doors. If you don't believe corrupt totalitarian gov'ts and their bureaucracies do this type of stuff, you have no understanding of history. And yes. It's happening here.

Look at the world and the country around you since COVID was released and the 2020 Summer of Love. Coordinated voter fraud. Forced, planned inflation. Cities peacefully burned.
Money laundering proxy war with Russia. Trans strip shows for little kids. Fake vaccines. Ghost global warming. Purposeful supply shortages. Enjoy!!

But beware of the boogeyman and don't question anything else.

Wilbur said...

Apparently from the reactions of those identified as civic leaders they were greatly upset that these marchers were wearing masks.

So, to our Leftist friends here I ask: Are the Antifa people who wear masks cowards too?

wildswan said...

As I remember it, many on the right felt that the "Patriot Front" was an FBI front when videos of the Lincoln Memorial walk were going around. (see the Althouse link to the Lincoln Memorial video, you'll recognize those well-built, clean-cut young men) Or the Front may be a leftist false flag operation designed to generate the coverage it's getting, In this coverage the whole American right is depicted as white supremacists currently threatening the whole of Boston. In reality, outside digital land, 100 men of unknown provenance took a short walk in a colorful costume and were intercepted by someone in an even more colorful costume and the two scuffled and both gained publicity ("If it bleeds, it leads."). The stunt was amplified by TV into a threat to Boston's millions.
There are reasons why blacks have deep fears but made-for-TV performances playing on those fears is hiding the reality of lack of commitment to good schooling for the black community in Boston. How many young men failed to graduate from high school in Boston this June? How many in Boston were below grade level even before Covid? [Although, (so strange) according to new stats, at present, students are only three to four months below grade level as a result of Covid. In the black community this would mean that students advanced rapidly during Covid since they were several years below grade level before Covid. Hmmm.]

rehajm said...

Living in the Back Bay of Boston you see so many of these staged demonstrations. It used to be the unions and the policy groups- abortion, housing, immigration. I was always struck by how fake and staged these events are, like those Iraqis with guns mugging for the cameras back in the day. Walk a block or two away from the event, either early or late and you see the staging happen. The handing out of the signs and the props, the hard hats or the masks or whatever. Then a briefing from some ‘leader’ on how to mug for the cameras during the mission…afterwards the coordination of rides home on your kids school bus or a charter from the local bus service, or sometimes a taxpayer-funded out of service city bus…

…that always seemed the more compelling story. I seem to be the only one that thinks so…

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

I was metaphorically transported to Lincolns second inaugural address.

It could be argued this speech is as relevant today as it was all those years ago 😞

Achilles said...

The congressional hearings on these fed run groups will be a blast.

The regime is just stoking hate in the few dregs and reruns that are still stupid enough to follow them.

This is what failing illegitimate regimes do.

holdfast said...

They really do more look like people cosplaying a hate group.

On the flipside, if that is actually the extreme right, if that’s the best they can do then we’re in pretty good shape.

rehajm said...

At the shooting academy in New Hampshire the instructors are mostly elite military or civilian, swat or whatnot. The stuff they wear- boots, hats, tactical pants, mostly part of their old kit, some of it hard to acquire by a civilian, some of it a dead giveaway for what group the wearer belongs to…

…anyone check out what brand of hats or boots these guys were all sporting? No?

Ann Althouse said...

I've seen these accusations of false flag.

It's hard to believe this wouldn't get uncovered in some more substantial way. All I see is guessing that it's false flag, but also, I would note, if the real group exists — and I know there was at least once a person identified as the founder — you would think someone in it would come forward and say that's not us. They're just using our name.

And yet, by the same token, you'd think if it was really them, they'd hear the accusations of false flag and be motivated to say that it is really them.

What we have is, apparently, silence. What's the best interpretation of silence?! That there is no such group or a spokesperson would speak. That supports the false flag theory.

Kevin said...

It's hard to believe this wouldn't get uncovered in some more substantial way.

It’s hard to believe we couldn’t fully uncover Hillary’s role in the Russian dossier.

Yet six years, Mueller, and Durham later, here we are.

rehajm said...

It's hard to believe this wouldn't get uncovered in some more substantial way.

No, it isn’t.

Mark said...

If these cartoon characters really were all that concerning, the media would have been all over them and exposed every aspect of them months ago. Instead, people are still scratching their heads.

Ann Althouse said...

But maybe Patriot Front is like the Rainbow Family, avoiding the appearance of any leadership but able to come together for events. There are some advantages to a structureless structure like that.

Ann Althouse said...

"No, it isn’t."

There's no right wing media to investigate and uncover this choice revelation?

M Jordan said...

Ann, remember the Whitmer kidnapping plot? 60% Feds, 40% bums.

Unknown said...

I'm reminded of the Westboro Baptist Church and Fred Phelps.

Not necessarily a 'false flag', but perhaps quite different than the official Narrative.

M Jordan said...

One reason even right wing media has been slow in investigating this group and others like it (Charlottsville anyone?) is it might end you up in prison … or at least squarely in the DOJ crosshairs. I myself have trepidation even simply commenting on it. We are living in the American version of the Soviet Union. It’s not quite the shut up or the gulags but it’s close.

gilbar said...

One thing Is FOR SURE... the FBI knows ALL ABOUT this group
The FBI says that right wing domestic terrorism is THE THREAT to america..
SO, EITHER this is a:
A) Real Group, And the FBI knows ALL ABOUT them; (and has (or is trying to get) informants).
B) Manufactured Group, And the FBI knows ALL ABOUT them (including who manufactured them (the FBI?))

Menahem Globus said...

Five year reunion at Boston College this week and all the graduates who went on to the FBI got to attend on our dime.

rehajm said...

There's no right wing media to investigate and uncover this choice revelation?

It doesn’t have to be ‘right wing media’, whatever that is. We have twitter journalists like Andy Ngo, Lara Logan, a handful of others who like to name names of actors like these. Instead they are harassed, threatened, trying to take pictures. Violence happens, then the local DA doesn’t press charges. Lather, rinse, repeat…

It’s a performance…

n.n said...

Whitmer event, huh.

avoiding the appearance of any leadership but able to come together for events. There are some advantages to a structureless structure like that.

That's the apology offered for Some, Select Black Lives Matter, Antifa, planned parent/hood, etc.

It’s hard to believe we couldn’t fully uncover Hillary’s role in the Russian dossier.

Yet six years, Mueller, and Durham later, here we are.


Overlapping and converging special and peculiar interests. Perhaps MAD. The American Spring.

Bob Boyd said...

A bunch of these guys just got arrested in Coeur d'Alene, ID. So why don't we know who they are?
Wouldn't their names have been public information? Normally, if someone is arrested, their name is in the local newspaper, i.e. "Billy Ray Flapjack was arrested for conspiracy to riot and befouling a rental truck." Did they keep their masks on for the mug shots?

gilbar said...

Ann Althouse said...
But maybe Patriot Front is like Antifa, avoiding the appearance of any leadership but able to come together for events.
fify!

Maybe They ARE Antifa.. Since their appearances don't help ANY right wing cause
In Other words..
Maybe They are NOT the FBI.. Maybe they're the DNC, and the FBI just supports them?

Lurker21 said...

By one estimate there are only about 300 members. Yes, there would have to be some actual believers, but experience suggests that there would have to be more than a few federal agents and informers in the mix. The group would probably do things on its own, but it also wouldn't be surprising if the government operatives on the inside were pushing them to attempt higher visibility actions. I would suppose that the group is similar to the American Nazi Party in the 1960s -- a tiny group, heavily infiltrated by feds, that stages some provocative actions. The government probably knows everyone who is an official member.

Meanwhile, that cup metaphor is getting way out of hand.

ConradBibby said...

I would think that, if Patriot Front is a false flag operation, its twin purposes are (a) promote the narrative that there's a large contingent of conservative, racist men in America who present a major threat of domestic terrorism; and (b) to recruit some loners and losers into the organization who can later be prosecuted in order to show that the FBI is on top of the threat described in "(a)." If something like that is the case, then it would NOT be in the interests of Patriot Front to address publicly allegations that it's a false flag operation. That's only going to draw attention to those suspicions (i.e., the Streisand Effect).

~ Gordon Pasha said...

I tried to get the local press in Idaho interested in a follow up on those arrested up in Cd’A but it’s been crickets. Of course every local reporter is a Democrat with a byline more interested in flogging stories on the necessity of vaccines and mandates for same, lockdowns, trying to remove the rare BSU prof for sexist statements, and supporting teachers against parents who push back against teachers using CRT and DEi as a lens for pedagogy.

Lurker21 said...

But maybe Patriot Front is like the Rainbow Family, avoiding the appearance of any leadership but able to come together for events. There are some advantages to a structureless structure like that.

Antifa seems to be something like that. Doubtless there is a structure, but there are all the hangers on who just come when they get a text message.

I would note that Patriot Front has their own website and it isn't the unsophisticated mess that one might expect. That suggests some degree of organization. It also suggests an opening for government operatives. If you have particular skills that other members lack, or just money, it's not hard to rise to play an important role in the group.

Bob Boyd said...

To answer my own questions, I found this:

https://www.salon.com/2022/06/13/sheriff-releases-photos-addresses-of-31-patriot-front-members-accused-of-targeting-pride-event/

and this:

https://www.facebook.com/170339567089471/posts/1173119583478126/?d=n

They don't look like FBI agents in the pictures. A lot of them look like they got their head caught in a hydraulic press.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

Pouring yourself into others is a common metaphor for us religious types. You often hear pastors talking about the need to fill other peoples' cups by pouring yourself out and the need to let others fill your cup from time to time. Since most ordained pastors get some minimal counseling training (they aren't therapists but need to be able to talk to grieving people and such) I don't know if the cup metaphor bled over from that or it goes the other way.

wendybar said...

After the FEDS marched and paraded through Boston. Why are they masked like Antifas??

Enigma said...

@Althouse: "There's no right wing media to investigate"

The right's media machine is nowhere near as large or as well-resourced as the left's. Its findings are also routinely censored by the left (e.g., see "What is a Woman?"). Nor does the right have as much access to press briefings. Nor does the right have the careerist inside track in federal agencies (DC career jobs are typically 80% to 90% left wing).

I blame the right as much as the left for this state of affairs, and it follows the right's self-destructive "hand washing" anti-Washington attitude. So you hate big government? So you alone impose term limits and lose out on seniority? So you alone don't choose careers inside the federal agencies and media outlets you hate? Well, maybe you should engage.

Achilles said...

Ann Althouse said...

"No, it isn’t."

There's no right wing media to investigate and uncover this choice revelation?

The FBI raided multiple Project Veritas members homes on an obviously garbage pretext.

I wonder what happens to "right wing" media outlets that try to report on the obvious FBI operation.

It is one thing to post from obviously dishonest garbage outlets like the WAPO and NYT's as a reportorial function.

It is another thing to completely ignore reality. Just like your post of the Crimo garbage above with NBC pretending Crimo didn't like numerous posts calling for the jailing and repression of Trump and congress people that questioned the 2020 election and jailing of people who questioned the 2020 election. The Cruel Neutrality excuse only goes so far.

wendybar said...

WHERE is the media?? Wouldn't they be investigating these people themselves?? Ask yourself why they aren't. If only right wing news outlets are trying to find out the truth, and the other side is just calling them White Supremacists or Nationalists, it kinda fits the narrative of the left. They see white Supremacists behind every tree and bush. Do these idiots do anything but march all dressed alike with masks on??

Temujin said...

I never actually hear of Patriot Front except in one or two situations. But I have to say, I don't like to let the SPLC define anyone. Their word is BS of the highest order and has been proven out over years of maligning good people and groups who may not follow a leftist agenda. The ADL has had a similar problem, though not as bad as SPLC. Still, the ADL gets caught up in political views rather than the topic they are there to defend against. And Wikipedia? Well, it is what it is. Use it with caution.

So...I know we've been told throughout the Obama years, Trump years, and Biden years- that White Supremacists are our largest, most imminent, and most deadly problem. Yet year after year, incident after incident, it's not White Supremacists ripping this country apart. Borders open, fentanyl shoveled into our cities and small towns. Schools failing to teach useful information, instead teaching boys they are toxic and should probably consider becoming girls. Fools in positions of leadership, destroying our economy and blaming us for having too high expectations of our living standards, or Russians because...Russians!.

Mostly, whenever people with strong patriotism gather, the press and those on the Left (especially in government) get very nervous. All that said, I don't know who Patriot Front is. If they are indeed a White Supremacist organization, I hate them. I despise them. But I don't know that because they beat up some guy walking through their demonstration. He would not have been the first guy walking through a demonstration who got pummeled. It happens pretty regularly. See any Antifa or BLM rally.

What I'm saying is that it may have been something very small. And had it been a lefty group, no notice on the news. If it's a right-sided group, the first instinct in the media is that they are White Supremacists, racists, hate-filled, and need to be stopped. How could this happen in Boston?. I'm sure the British were saying the same thing once upon a time. But it doesn't sound like much of anything except a demonstration by a group that many do not like.

We've had a lot of that over the last few years.

Gusty Winds said...

Althouse: It's hard to believe this wouldn't get uncovered in some more substantial way.

The 2020 voter fraud has been uncovered in numerous ways. Federal involvement in J6, and the strange behavior of the Capitol Police are right there on film. Still, Americans just go about life trying to survive in our new country.

Althouse runs a great blog, but still seems disinterested or purposefully avoiding the 2020 voter fraud. It's the root cause of all of this.

Millions of Americans still believe COVID came from a wet market. Liberals swallowed "fiery but peaceful". They believe Biden wasn't involved in Hunters business dealings selling foreign aid money for kick backs. They think mRNA is a real vaccine. They believe the Clinton Foundation was an actual charity. They believe a $100K liberal arts college degree is an actual education. They believe the teachers unions have the best interests of children at heart. They believe women can have penises, and men can have periods. They still believe the Russian collusion accusations against Trump were real. This list goes on.

And from the list above, the main proponents of all this bullshit is the heavily credentialed education establishment, Big Tech, Hollywood, and the MSM. It's actually easy to believe this type of false flag doesn't get "uncovered". Our main institutions are in on the cover.

Drago said...

Althouse: "There's no right wing media to investigate and uncover this choice revelation?"

Perhaps now would be an opportune time to mention Hunter Biden's laptop and its contents along with Ashley Biden's diary.

The first thing to note is the FBI acquired and buried the laptop, harassed the computer repair shop owner and then sent entire SWAT teams to raid Project Veritas offices/private homes and seize every electronic communication device over a non-crime diary.

MayBee said...

Maybe the closest we have is the trial of the guys accused of wanting to kidnap Whitmer.

Ann Althouse said...

"Pouring yourself into others is a common metaphor for us religious types. You often hear pastors talking about the need to fill other peoples' cups by pouring yourself out and the need to let others fill your cup from time to time. Since most ordained pastors get some minimal counseling training (they aren't therapists but need to be able to talk to grieving people and such) I don't know if the cup metaphor bled over from that or it goes the other way."

It has a religious vibe. Reminds me of "my cup runneth over" (Psalm 23).

Ann Althouse said...

"Ann, remember the Whitmer kidnapping plot? 60% Feds, 40% bums."

Yes, but there was an investigation that showed those facts. I accept that it gives you reason to hypothesize that other thing are infiltrated by government, but it can't end there. You have to investigate!

Ann Althouse said...

And there's a big difference between infiltrating a group and trying to do something short of entrapment that will get them to do an overt act for which they can get arrested and forming a public crowd to march down the street and intimidate bystanders!

ga6 said...

Mommy he called me a bad name!!!

"The men made homophobic and transphobic remarks against a member of the LGTBQ+ community who was hosting the event,"

What the Idaho FBI did. for shame for shame

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Supporting the false flag theory is also the same nebulous article describing the “marchers” and the reactors. Reactors always must include peace activists, like the snippet Althouse quotes, or at the very least voices of “vulnerable” populations so we can be shown who should fear these khaki clad synchronized walkers. I failed to click through and extract these Standard Reaction tropes but if I venture further into the linked article it will be to see if the famous U-Haul trailer, out of which they usually march as if they are transported standing up, is parked conveniently nearby and somehow untraceable by the non-sleuthing reporter like previous episodes of Nazi Theatre.

Big Mike said...

So, some basic questions. In contrast to Antifa and BLM, how many bystanders were murdered or even injured? How many police officers were assaulted? How many Molotov cocktails were thrown? How many businesses were set afire? Or even had windows broken?

From where I sit, if you’re going to have a protest march in your city — and in a country that has First Amendment rights to free speech and peaceful assembly, you’re going to have to tolerate protest marches — it seems obvious to me that it’s vastly better to have the right wing extremist Patriot Front march down your streets than left wing extremist groups like Antifa or BLM.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Strange how there was no follow up by media after that highly staged mass arrest in Iowa or Idaho. Or how the pregnancy center bombers garner ZERO media interest despite hitting 100 places nationwide. We have such strange state-influenced media, willing to censor stories for the DNC brownshirts. Look how many mind readers can wax elegant on Trump’s actual thoughts moment by moment 18 months later yet no column on what arson terrorism is doing to volunteers trying to counsel troubled young women or how living in mortal fear affects the families of associate justices of the SCOTUS.

Rollo said...

Poetic license is the order of the day. Yes, not everyone in the group is a fed and not everything they do is government ordered, but close enough.

veni vidi vici said...

Two feds, one cup.

M Jordan said...

Ann, agree bout investigations. But again, in today’s climate you get deplatformed or even arrested and frog-marched through airports if you are on the wrong team. The left has taken over the institutions and they are behaving like every “progressive” group in history once they seize power … to wit, tyrannically.

We live in dangerous times. (But I think I see the turning coming.)

mccullough said...

Perhaps this group is just not very big or organized.

If that be the case, then the Dem media and Dem politicians and Dem FBI and DOJ have exaggerated the threat.

This is what the House Dems have done with the January 6, 2021 Capitol trespassers, vandals, and batterers.

It’s hard to take the FBI and DOJ seriously when they ignore Antifa arson, vandalism, and violence and spend exorbitant resources on Jan 6 Hooligans, the Whitmer Keystone Klan, and 101 White Supremacists.

Of course, the Russian Collusion Crew at the FBI, DOJ, Congress, and Media repelled non-ideologues.



Joe Smith said...

'It's hard to believe this wouldn't get uncovered in some more substantial way.'

These people were arrested at a Boise event recently.

They were handcuffed and on their knees but their masks remained in place.

Really?

And why are they always described as 'White Nationalist,' 'Far Right,' and 'Extremist' and BLM/Antifa is never described in a similar manner (Black Nationalist, Far Left, Extremist)?

Bob Boyd said...

I don't have a problem with these guys marching and spouting loathsome ignorant bigotry. That is their right. They're not numerous, they're not persuasive and at least they're telling us who they are, so we know. The ludicrous Patriot Front marches are a relatively wholesome activity compared to what these peckerheads might get up to as isolated individuals.

What I object to is the equally loathsome and ignorant bigotry displayed by the press in trying to portray the PF peckerheads as typical and representative of red state America and of Trump supporters.
I think it's interesting the rurals in Idaho had less tolerance for the Patriot Front than the city of Boston.

Aggie said...

It's a weird phenomenon in a whole lot of ways. They're all dressed the same, in a 'smart casual' preppie way, all of them or nearly all caucasian, young, male, reasonably fit - no fatties or tatties. That's when the hoi polloi cries 'Feds!' and the SPLC decides, because they're white males, they must be White Supremacists, QE-freakin-D.

It's all so bizarre, something so plain vanilla, eliciting so many different types of paranoia depending on one's affiliations.

By the way, does anybody remember back a couple of weeks ago when they were intercepted in their UHaul truck, on their way to appear at some event or another? Nobody was arrested, but they were all photographed mug-shot style, and names released to the press - doxed, with pictures, in other words, by Law Enforcement. So: Feds?? Really, you think they're Feds? Or something else, maybe~?

We still haven't got to the bottom of it, why they're a group in the first place. What is their charter, then?

narciso said...

Splc nearly got the family research council murdered once upon a time they mattered

Birches said...

I agree with Althouse that it's strange that no one has done some sort of expose. Local news interviewed Ray Epps early on and that's how Revolver News was able to start pulling that thread. The fact that not even local news has been able to find these guys lends me to believe that whoever is directing these guys is covering their tracks better.

The weirdest part about that Idaho bust was how the guys were all in custody still wearing their masks. I would think law enforcement would ask them to take their masks down, especially in Idaho, especially outside. Where are their mugshots?

Gusty Winds said...

Althouse: You have to investigate!

Who investigates the investigators? What we have is and fraudulently installed executive in the WH. This eliminates all accountability on the part of the Biden administration to ANY voters. Even the dumb one's that support this regime. The bureaucracies now control the WH, not the voters. They outwardly behave as such, holding tight to their 30% approval.

They don't need to worry about winning or losing an election. And...the organizations under the current executive, helped get him installed. Where then is the institution motivated or ethical enough to expose truths? It doesn't exist in the court system, congress, schools, colleges, MSM....

The one's who do detailed investigations get cancelled by Twitter and YouTube and "debunked" by people who don't even analyze the claims. Take Molly Beck at the Milwaukee Journal for example. She just gets paid to regurgitate, not investigate.

Drago at 8:48 am is correct:

Althouse: "There's no right wing media to investigate and uncover this choice revelation?"

Perhaps now would be an opportune time to mention Hunter Biden's laptop and its contents along with Ashley Biden's diary.

The first thing to note is the FBI acquired and buried the laptop, harassed the computer repair shop owner and then sent entire SWAT teams to raid Project Veritas offices/private homes and seize every electronic communication device over a non-crime diary.
.

And yes. This is how bad it is.

Drago said...

"Ann, remember the Whitmer kidnapping plot? 60% Feds, 40% bums."

Althouse: "Yes, but there was an investigation that showed those facts. I accept that it gives you reason to hypothesize that other thing are infiltrated by government, but it can't end there. You have to investigate!"

Also remember that exactly 4 years before the FBI planned/funded/directed Whitmer kidnapping hoax in MI we had the FBI planned/funded/directed Hutaree Militia Hoax in MI.

And wouldn't you know it, the very same FBI lead in both those FBI-constructed hoaxes was moved to DC before Jan 6th...

And the FBI was Johnny On The Spot to arrest Cesar Sayoc (addled dude living in a van) for supposedly sending not-real pipebomb "pipebombs" to DC politicians...

And this crackerjack FBI organization seemingly has no clue at all who the "indidual" (wink wink) was that placed the "pipebombs" near the DNC headquarters just before the Jan 6 "insurrection" (wink wink)

And of course we know that Enrique Tarrio, leader of the Proud Boys, has been an FBI directed asset since 2012! Well, that's convenient! I wonder if he ever met Ray Epps?

This goes back decades and decades of course. The FBI has spent the last 70 years "solving" the cases it creates while missing everything that matters. And now its all performed in direct support of democratical political needs. Indeed, the FBI is now just the Action Arm of the DNC.

dbp said...

When I see ANTIFA riots and so-called Patriot Front protests, here's why I think one is mostly Feds and the other is actual anarchists. Haircuts and biceps. Feds have short hair and muscles, like the Patriot Front protesters. The ANTIFA people look scrawny and when you can see their hair, it's usually long.

Richard Aubrey said...

Intimidate? Anybody go rushing off for a new carton of Depends?
How about assault cops and burn buildings?

wendybar said...

They marched. (NO CLUE WHY they march in lockstep dressed alike with masks and sunglasses on) They weren't setting building and businesses on fire, and they weren't turning cars and buses upside down and lighting them on fire either. What's so intimidating about marching when the left does so much worse, and the media calls THEM peaceful protests.

Skeptical Voter said...

Humm--does Mr. Murrell correspond regularly with Jussie Smollett?

M Jordan said...

One more thing …

After the Jan. 6 fiasco and the Whitmer plot exposure, I began to reconsider the Charlottsville narrative. Prior, I objected to the twisting of Trump’s words (Fine people on both sides) which was a premeditated lie by the left. But after these two other events I went back and re-looked at the photos of the tiki torch mob. When I had seen them at the time I remember a nagging feeling something was t right about them but I never considered it was because those torch-bearing, khaki slacks-wearing clean-cut looking white boys were … Feds?

Now as I regaze on the photos it screams out that point at me. I scan them for the “bums” they pied-pipered into the groups like the Michigan losers they corralled. Strangely, I see hardly a one. The photos look like ALL FEDS. The guy they imprisoned for killing the young lady with his car is the exception. He looks like one of the naive bums.

“And that’s the way it is, July 5, 2022.”

hombre said...

Since the Obama era when the FBI dove down the corruption hole their story has been that domestic terrorists are the greatest threat to the US. We now know that parents who disagree with school boards and 1/6 tresspassers fit that designation while BLM/Antifa insurgents do not.

But what is a "white supremacist?" Is the KKK resurgent? Are BLMers black supremacists?" Are white supremacists people who mirror BLM conduct, but in support of white people? Do they even exist? Are they significant?

No. They are not. They are bogeymen intended to keep Democrat imbeciles riled up about something other than the incompetence of their leaders.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Throngs. Throngs!

Once again the demand (from the Left) for violent Klan-types seems to exceed the supply, but this "throng" got the story they & the Left want.

Totally unrelated, but whatever happened to Althea Bernstein of Madison WI who said she was attacked by a group of white men and set on fire?

Achilles said...

Ann Althouse said...

And there's a big difference between infiltrating a group and trying to do something short of entrapment that will get them to do an overt act for which they can get arrested and forming a public crowd to march down the street and intimidate bystanders!

Gee.

I wonder why some people don't get arrested. Total mystery.

It will be interesting to see how fast Ray Epps didn't kill himself after he is subpoenaed by a Republican congress.

Ever wonder why the DOJ can't prosecute protestors outside of a Supreme Court justices house but can hold a J6 protestor indefinitely without charges or evidence?

Of course you don't.

You read NYT's and WAPO.

FullMoon said...

And there's a big difference between infiltrating a group and trying to do something short of entrapment that will get them to do an overt act for which they can get arrested and forming a public crowd to march down the street and intimidate bystanders!

Antifa is intimidating. These guys are entertaining.

mikee said...

Moon 'em, in mass. Few marchers can maintain their dignity when faced with a sea of exposed backsides. And the press will put it on page 1, every time.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Golly, if "forming a public crowd to march down the street and intimidate bystanders" is wrong then the news coverage over the last couple of years needs some revisions!

Non-intimidating crowds in DC--for a good cause!

Lurker21 said...

"Kenosis" or emptying is a Christian theological concept. Buddhism also speculates a lot about emptiness or emptying. Westerners are more familiar with such talk in Zen Buddhism, but speculation about Śūnyatā (emptiness, vacuity, voidness) is common in other variants of Buddhism. Paradoxical talk of the emptiness of fullness and the fullness of emptiness isn't uncommon either, and Buddhist speculation on emptiness makes its way into Judaism and Christianity. The idea of having a full cup can be a little complicated and problematic for some religious thinkers.

Rabel said...

What the Patriot Front wants most of all is attention and publicity.

This is what they get when the local officials in Boston make a federal case out of one of their small demonstrations.

It's almost like they're working together.

traditionalguy said...

What a hoot. The MSM thinks we are all stupid to believe in a Hitler Youth make believe march. But Soros has to spent his loot on something.

n.n said...

Color supremacism is an ideology derived from rabid diversity dogma (i.e. color judgment, class-based bigotry) of the Pro-Choice ethical (i.e. relativistic, selective) religion.

n.n said...

Fascists taking over cities, governments, trapping people in their vehicles. Some, Select Lives Matter invading neighborhoods to intimidate families and residents in the Democrat model of past, present, and progressive days.

Beasts of England said...

'...he was in the middle of a group of men.'

A scuffle ensued. Passively.

Howard said...

Scawy platoon of Larry Mondellos

Deevs said...

These guys are a strange group. All I've ever heard about them is when a bunch of them jump out of a Uhaul to go for a stroll whilst looking ridiculous. What else do they do? I'm not even sure what rhetoric they use.

I don't think Althouse's question about why these guys haven't been exposed as a false flag is a bad one, but it does raise a couple questions of my own. Even if right wing media isn't exposing them as a false flag, my question is why isn't left wing media trying to out these white supremacist? When's Taylor Lorenz going to show up at the house of a Patriot Front member?

svlc said...

Why is the FBI trying to stir racial hatred with its fake hate group?

minnesota farm guy said...

Interesting that the Boston Globe doesn't appear to have covered this march of 50 guys.