"The crowd also managed to take two handguns away from him, said Orange County Undersheriff Jeff Hallock. 'That group of churchgoers displayed what we believe is exceptional heroism and bravery.... I think it’s safe to say if people had not intervened, it could have been much worse.'... The church was hosting a special service and a banquet to honor a former pastor visiting from Taiwan.... Churchgoers were having lunch together and snapping photos to commemorate the occasion when the gunfire rang out. The visiting pastor then struck the suspect with a chair, she said, knocking him to the ground. Moments later, other members of the congregation dogpiled onto him."
We're told the shooter was "Asian," so this incident will not feed into the political discourse that has sprung up around the recent shooting in Buffalo.
Great teamwork by the parishioners. Nice leadership by the guest of honor. The attacker had a gun and they fought back with a chair, their own bodies, and extension cords.
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"Gunfire rang out"?? The eloquent journalist left out "suddenly".
"Asian" versus Taiwanese... If the shooter was Chinese, was he pro-unification and a "freedom fighter"? Or a terrorist? Or, was he a hater? If the shooter was Japanese, was there lingering resentment following WW2? If the shooter was Korean, was...? If the shooter was Vietnamese, was...?
STOP THE NONSENSE. There is no such thing as a hate crime. There never was. There are crazy, violent people who hate, imagine, and generate castles in the air. There's mental illness and social conformity that sometimes focuses on a specific group.
Beyond simple crime, there are us-versus-them genocidal wars (e.g., Nazis), but those are logical, competitive, calculating, and cruel destruction rather than solo crimes. Hate is too strong of a concept when one considers the "other" as less-than-human animals. Predatory, yes. Hateful, no.
We're told the shooter was "Asian,"
Asians can be White supremacists, too!
Rumor has it Buffalo was chosen because of it's strict gun control laws. Which is the reason the parishioners had to fight back with improvised weapons. If it happened in Tennessee, odds are they would have fought back with guns....and the dead would have included the shooter.
Will this event get the “doesn’t fit the narrative” treatment like the one in Arvada last year? When Biden visits Buffalo today we’ll have the answer. I am starting to wonder about these recent killers who appear racist yet also express hatred for Trump. I mean those are mainstream democrat positions, yet the media can’t seem to explain it away.
Tim said...
"Rumor has it Buffalo was chosen because of it's strict gun control laws. Which is the reason the parishioners had to fight back with improvised weapons. If it happened in Tennessee, odds are they would have fought back with guns....and the dead would have included the shooter."
At my brothers church, at any given service, there are at least six people carrying concealed.Two on the outside. Two just inside the doors. And at least two in the pews. This is Illinois. They've had a couple of nut jobs trying to interrupt services.
Asian - so he was from Turkey? From Iran? From India? From Pakistan? From Russia? From Bangladesh? From Afghanistan?
???
People taking care of themselves. Blind dependence on govt seldom bears fruit.
A lot of people I know, carry concealed when shopping the
Waterloo stores. That would be the men and the women. What the media wont be doing any stories on, is the number of women with guns in their handbags (our host). That means the wives are more apt to be carrying than their husbands.
Tim, mass shooting like this have happened inTennessee. When you speaks of odds, given the number of people carrying handguns in this country, what are the odds that at any particular mass shooting with multiple fatalities there was a person in the crowd carrying a handgun who did not use it?
In other words, this will disappear within days. No narrative to run on about those pesky white supremacists. The boy in Buffalo was a lefty. Sure, he is a white supremacist...but he isn't a product of the right. The left is going to lie all they can about him to make is all TRUMPS fault.
Good reaction from the congregation. Maybe they saw The Irishman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGtQrrNYB9o
Notice how Biden is running as fast as he can to Buffalo, even though the gunboy was a rabid leftist, but the media is claiming he isn't?? The shooter actually categorized himself as “authoritarian left” who was once a communist now turned green ethno-nationalist fascist socialist. Just proves white supremacy isn’t only on the right, especially with these younger generations. WHEN did he ever step foot in Waukesha after that mass murder??
Why not?? Didn't fit the lefts agenda?? He is as big a divider as The Great Divider Obama was.
https://thelibertydaily.com/dear-leader-biden-who-never-visited-waukesha-is-already-heading-to-buffalo-to-bask-in-the-optics-of-manipulated-news/
A good read by somebody NOT on the right.....
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-demented-and-selective-game-of?s=r
At long last will the Buffalo tragedy lead to "common sense" gun control?
Like prosecuting gun buyers that lie about drug abuse on the Federal forms.
Brandon's little boy would be a good start.
"Rumor has it Buffalo was chosen because of it's strict gun control laws. Which is the reason the parishioners had to fight back with improvised weapons...."
The fighting back is in the Laguna Woods incident — in California.
'Asian" ?? Why in the heck do we still not know the actual suspect name, have picture of the shooter etc ? I am very curious.
"STOP THE NONSENSE. There is no such thing as a hate crime. There never was. There are crazy, violent people who hate, imagine, and generate castles in the air. There's mental illness and social conformity that sometimes focuses on a specific group.
"Beyond simple crime, there are us-versus-them genocidal wars (e.g., Nazis), but those are logical, competitive, calculating, and cruel destruction rather than solo crimes. Hate is too strong of a concept when one considers the "other" as less-than-human animals. Predatory, yes. Hateful, no."
Your preceding word salad notwithstanding, there are "hate" crimes, in that some people commit violence against others primarily because they dislike some particular attribute(s) of those they're attacking, (e.g., race, gender, country of origin, religion, etc.). It is a crime motivated by the hatred they feel toward those others.
Currently in the Dallas area a black man is driving up to Asian businesses and shooting customers and staff. There appear to be at least three connected incidents in the past couple of weeks. The national media gives this story very little coverage.
https://dentonrc.com/korean-americans-react-to-potential-hate-crime-at-dallas-salon/article_7bd264cb-8d00-56ea-b62f-5465f7fdbc31.html
It's gonna be tough to get "racism" as an issue in this shooting.
Buffalo is easier even though the kid described himself as a Leftist.
Here in Texas we won't fight back with 'a chair, their own bodies, and extension cords'... we will SHOOT THE BASTARDS DEAD.
Ya hear that nutjobs?? Go do your shit in the liberal states.
Robert Cook said...
It is a crime motivated by the hatred they feel toward those others.
The criminal's motivation has nothing to do with it. It's a "hate crime" because the circumstances of the crime can be used by various groups as a power grab. Compare Biden's (non)reaction to the Waukesha parade massacre to him beating feet to Buffalo today.
You think those black gangbangers gunning each other (and innocents) down on the streets of Chicago, New York, and LA are expressing their brotherly love?
"Asian - so he was from Turkey? From Iran? From India? From Pakistan? From Russia? From Bangladesh? From Afghanistan?
???"
Las Vegas, NV.
Obviously, a White Asian-American... "people of yellow, orange, ultra black, brown, tan" supremacist with rainbow (i.e. broad spectrum) privilege.
The Laguna shooter is David Chou, 68. The five parishioners wounded were an 86-year-old woman and four men aged 66, 92, 82, and 75. One man was killed, name and age withheld. These elderly people subdued the shooter and hogtied him until police arrived.
The young Buffalo shooter walked into the market wearing battle fatigues, a helmet and carrying a long gun. No one noticed him.
Who gives a shit about murder and mayhem. The important thing is to figure out an angle to ultimately blame our political opponents who are evil and want to destroy humanity. That's because our shallow and relatively minor differences are much better monetized when they're exaggerated and inflated and weaponized for maximum emotional impact.
It's what the bots and troll farms expect and keeps Zuckerfuck and his comrades afloat.
I like the degrees of difference on the right wing Know Nothing blogs as demonstrated in the reactions to the Buffalo shootings.
On Ann's right wing Know Nothing blog, the various defenses have shifted from "it’s so unfair to white people that the media covers up the incident in Waukesha" to "if the victims in Buffalo had had guns like they do in Tennessee and Texas, the shoote would have been killed."
On the other hand, on the hard-core right wing know Nothing blogs the reaction is-"This is a false flag operation- the shooter was working for the FBI and/or the CIA".
Paul, but what about here in Texas.
The Buffalo shooter is a self proclaimed SOCIALIST who hates capitalism. So not a Republican or conservative. In fact he is a hard LEFTIST. But of course the media is spinning it as if he was a Baptist MAGA Trumpster. Liars. They don’t even see their own hypocrisy.
Enigma said...
"Asian" versus Taiwanese... If the shooter was Chinese, was he pro-unification and a "freedom fighter"?
It would appear so, at least that he was (mainland) Chinese.
How quickly will this get memory-holed now?
Left Bank of the Charles said... "Paul, but what about here in Texas."
Read up on the Texas Tower shooting and how many folks got their rifles AND SHOT BACK. And that was before people could pack handguns.
Since CHL has been passes there have been many shootings in Texas were folks shot back. School shootings are 'gun free zones' so even in Texas you can't have your gun there. BUT, fortunately, many teachers PACK GUNS!!!
And Church shootings?? Yea several were good folks with handguns shot and killed the attackers (read up on White Settlement for an example.) Now days lots of churches in Texas have their own volunteer security teams... armed teams!!)
Mainland Chinese who hated Taiwanese. Will that be in the LA Times tomorrow? Nope.
I was wrong.
Authorities said Monday the suspect — identified as David Wenwei Chou, 68, of Las Vegas — appeared to be motivated by political hatred directed at the Taiwanese community, Orange County Sheriff’s officials said Monday. Chou was arrested Sunday and is being held in lieu of $1-million bail.
Now Texas has got a bad reputation for a while
Because of what happened a long time ago down in Waco
And our corporations, some of them are a little sketchy
And our politicians, most of them are loco
But when it comes to music my friend, I can't believe these words
Are as true as St. John the Revelator
Yeah, Stevie Ra Vaughan was the best guitar player I ever heard
No band was cooler than the 13th Floor Elevators!
So screw you, we're from Texas
Screw you, we're from Texas
Screw you, we're from Texas
We're from Texas, screw you
We're told the shooter was "Asian," so this incident will not feed into the political discourse that has sprung up around the recent shooting in Buffalo.
The media has a financial interest in hyping violence. "If it bleeds, it leads." So if there's not any violence in your city, the media looks for violence in other cities or other states. They will go internationally if they have to. There's always some violence going on somewhere. So young people who have no sense of proportion, believe our world is in horrible shape. We're actually living in arguably the best time in human history. Go back hundreds of years, humanity was much, much worse. Not even close.
There are any number of cops who have never fired their weapon. I'm 54 and I've never seen a homicide in my life. It's exceedingly rare. Go back in human history and life was much more dangerous (and shorter). The media paints a radically distorted view of human existence. We are blessed.
The media has narratives, and it picks stories that validate their narratives. Simultaneously, the media ignores any event that cracks the thesis or breaks the narrative.
My local paper covered the Buffalo murders. I don't think they mentioned the car murders when they happened in Wisconsin last year. The races of the perps, and the victims, play a part in which crimes the media warns us about, and which crimes the media ignores. People who realize this lose trust in the media.
Another media narrative is that guns are awful and we have to have gun control right now. So the media is not interested in stories about people fighting back. For instance, last year in Tennessee there was a man who worked at Smile Direct Club and he went on a rampage and started shooting people at work. It's another case of people fighting back and acting heroically.
You'd think the media would be interested in hero stories and would be happy to share those stories. People would love to hear them! But individuals stepping up and doing heroic things are not part of the media's narrative, so the national media isn't interested in that stuff.
I think the mainstream media tries to be honest. The problem (as I see it) is not that reporters intentionally lie and try to deceive people. The problem is that reporters have biases and are blind to their own biases. I've often accused the media of "hiding the bodies" when it comes to their abortion coverage. I make this accusation not because they are intentionally covering up homicides. They don't think about it and don't want to see it. (And they know their readers don't want to see it). It's a bias that keeps both reporters and their readers from knowing or seeing the truth.
Mutaman,
On Ann's right wing Know Nothing blog, the various defenses have shifted from "it’s so unfair to white people that the media covers up the incident in Waukesha" to "if the victims in Buffalo had had guns like they do in Tennessee and Texas, the shoote[r] would have been killed."
OK, so what you call "the incident in Waukesha" (why am I reminded of Ambrose Bierce's "An Incident at Owl Creek Bridge"?) involved a Black driver plowing through a Christmas parade and killing six people (injuring several dozen more). Apparently nothing for Biden to get all aerated about. The logistics of flying to Waukesha were just too difficult, y'know.
Buffalo is different. Not "logistically," of course, but politically. Black dude running over as many people as he can calls for a statement of concern, but white dude shooting up a grocery store and killing (mostly) Black people demands a visit. (The NY subway shooting, which miraculously killed no one but injured a couple dozen, wasn't on the Biden itinerary, either.) I would urge you to read that notorious Know Nothing writer, Glenn Greenwald; he has a piece on Substack right now about the pathetically obvious double standard here.
Incidentally, if this is a right-wing Know Nothing blog, how is it that you are reading it? Looking for fish in a barrel? A little target practice, perhaps?
Howard said...
"Who gives a shit about murder and mayhem. "
Why, you do, Howard. Leftists like yourself own the dead and dying and proscribe the motivation of the killer.
Besides provoking Russia so you can send American troops to Ukraine. You've sent American troops to Somalia.
"I would urge you to read that notorious Know Nothing writer, Glenn Greenwald"
When all else fails, cite Glenn Greenwald.
We're told the shooter was "Asian," so this incident will not feed into the political discourse that has sprung up around the recent shooting in Buffalo.
Well, the shooter is a (communist) Chinese immigrant, and did it because he hates people from Taiwan who don't want to be slaves of Xi.
So it won't be reported because the "reporting class" is on the killer's side
Mutaman said...
I like the degrees of difference on the right wing Know Nothing blogs as demonstrated in the reactions to the Buffalo shootings.
On Ann's right wing Know Nothing blog, the various defenses have shifted from "it’s so unfair to white people that the media covers up the incident in Waukesha" to "if the victims in Buffalo had had guns like they do in Tennessee and Texas, the shoote would have been killed."
The Mut apparently can't read, and so missed out on the fact that the shooter is a self proclaimed socialist and leftist authoritarian.
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