March 18, 2022

"[Lia] Thomas and her rise... forced the typically plodding N.C.A.A. to grapple more quickly with a subject that scientists are still examining and its consequences for sports competitions."

"Comprehensive research in athletes is still lacking, but early studies suggest that suppressing testosterone in transgender women decreases muscle mass and hemoglobin levels, reducing how much oxygen can be carried through the bloodstream. Most of the changes occur within the first year of hormone suppression, but transgender women may still have more muscle mass than their cisgender peers even after three years. As some insist that no amount of testosterone suppression can undo the physiological changes linked to male puberty, like taller height and larger hands and feet, others dispute that transgender women have a built-in advantage and have argued that inclusion should outweigh competition."

From "Lia Thomas Wins an N.C.A.A. Swimming Title/With her victory in Atlanta, Thomas, who competes for the University of Pennsylvania, became the first openly transgender woman to win an N.C.A.A. swimming championship" (NYT).

Here's the ESPN coverage: "Amid protests, Penn swimmer Lia Thomas becomes first known transgender athlete to win Division I national championship." 

The race began with the crowd cheering for each of the swimmers, but fans were noticeably quiet for Thomas' introduction.... As she stood on the podium with her trophy, she flashed a peace sign, just as she did for her four Ivy League championships. And once again, the crowd was noticeably quiet as she was announced as the champion....

Outside of the McAuley Center, dueling protests dominated the morning. More than 20 protesters from Save Women's Sports and Young Women for America (the college branch of Concerned Women for America) chanted outside...

"We're not going to stand by and let women be displaced," said Annabelle Rutledge, the national director for Young Women for America. "We must fight for their rights."

Concerned Women for America announced Thursday that the organization filed a Title IX complaint against the University of Pennsylvania....

And at Swimming World, from John Lohn, the editor-in-chief, there's "NCAA Title For Lia Thomas Is Joke With Biological Women As Punchline; Hardly a Laughing Matter":

Because the NCAA only required one year of hormone-suppressant therapy for a transgender female to compete in women’s sports, Thomas was eligible to race for the Quakers. And, to be clear, Thomas has followed all rules.

The problem is that the NCAA’s guidelines were based on outdated science and didn’t account for the advantages of Thomas undergoing male puberty and significant testosterone production. A 6-3 frame. Greater natural strength. Larger hands and feet. Enhanced lung capacity. None of these edges, for the record, can be fully mitigated....

When the Ivy League and Penn told swimmers to accept the situation, it was clear that one person’s rights were valued over hundreds of others. And when the NCAA made it clear it would not protect women’s rights, it was obvious the NCAA Championships would become a circus – a combination of protestors appearing and Thomas swimming with her male-puberty-supplied jet pack.

Swimming World... called for her to not race at the NCAA Championships, but to be given an alternative opportunity to display her talent in the pool. Because we took that approach, the transgender community and its supporters fired off accusations of transphobia....

“Girls and women shouldn’t give up their hard-won sports opportunities, no matter how real the harms suffered by transgender athletes,” Hogshead-Makar wrote in a December editorial. “Allowing transgender women to change the meaning of the women’s category makes as much sense as allowing 180-pound athletes into the 120-pound weight category, because larger athletes were subject to awful bullying and harassment. Or allowing adults to compete against children, or only permitting impoverished nations compete in the Olympics. Sport has been set up as binary with males and females, and sport needs to adapt by adding new events and classifications, rather than throwing out the meaning of the ‘girls’ and ‘women’s’ categories. Rather than trying to squeeze transgender athletes into one-of-two categories, male or female, sport needs to adapt.”

109 comments:

Gabriel said...

As some insist that no amount of testosterone suppression can undo the physiological changes linked to male puberty, like taller height and larger hands and feet

Nice propaganda tactic that "some insist". There is no hormone therapy that makes people shorter or shrinks their hands and feet.

David Begley said...

The NCAA is a corrupt leftwing organization that is totally fucked up.

I’d like to see the salaries of the top people. The NCAA isn’t much better than the IOC.

RideSpaceMountain said...

"As some insist that no amount of testosterone suppression can undo the physiological changes linked to male puberty"

This is deeply transphobic. It is incredibly simple. Scissors. Wig. Simple as.

wendybar said...

Isn't the Patriarchy wonderful!!! A man won the womans NCAA swimming championship!! Yeah for Men!!!

Just asking questions (Jaq) said...

A taller golfer can hit a ball much farther than a shorter golfer of equal strength, Isaac Newton could have easily provided a proof in the 18th century.

Chest Rockwell said...

An image is worth a thousand words....

Sebastian said...

"inclusion should outweigh competition"

Why should inclusion exclude opportunities for women born as women?

Where will transmen be included? With the men? Or in a different category?

Lots of solutions imaginable, if fairness to actual women is a priority. Of course, since we're talking prog ideology, it isn't. As long as women are too scared to stand up, it won't be.

But you could have an open category, open to all, and one for women born as women, or a men, women, and trans division.

Curious George said...

"More than 20 protesters...."

"We're not going to stand by and let women be displaced,"

You already have.

Iman said...

“scientists are still examining…”

What a crock! Basic biology should be acknowledged. Follow THAT science.

AlbertAnonymous said...

“Transgender woman” see, if you have to modify the term woman with the descriptor “transgender” then it’s clearly not “woman” otherwise you’d just say “woman”.

This language game is very Orwellian.

Doubleplusungood.

who-knew said...

Forget the undeniable advantages gained from male puberty, male and females are structurally different. The male pelvic bone is different than a female's and it allows better leverage for the leg muscles and similar differences exist in other parts of the body. That's why "throws like a girl" is a real thing. As is running like a girl. And no amount of hormone therapy and mutilating surgery will ever change that.

Curious George said...

"David Begley said...
The NCAA is a corrupt leftwing organization that is totally fucked up."

I would call them inept, period. This issue isn't the problem of the NCAA. It's the problem with the left. Everything they want turns to shit. Eveything.

Howard said...

It's pretty simple. If you go through puberty with boy sex, you must forever compete with the boys. In sports, hardware rules.

Leland said...

I figured the previous banned use of growth hormones would have prevented this situation. It's one thing to suppress testosterone, but would it be ok for biological women to enhance estrogen in competition. If so, what other hormones could non-transitioning people be allowed to take that transitioning people do?

Quayle said...

Scientists studying the question?

I guess you do need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

RideSpaceMountain said...

@Curious George

"You already have"

Bingo. The time to protest this was in the 1980s and 1990s when homos were trying to remove the AIDs stigma and gain sympathy for lifestyle choices that are a direct ancestor of this crap.

Ship has sailed ladies. You bought the ticket. You take the ride.

Rory said...

"Lots of solutions imaginable, if fairness to actual women is a priority. Of course, since we're talking prog ideology, it isn't. As long as women are too scared to stand up, it won't be."

They can't stand up because more set asides are gained through feminism than lost through transgenderism.

Roger Sweeny said...

We really have to "get beyond the binary". There aren't just "men" and "women". There are XX men and XY men and XX women and XY women and a number of even smaller boxes. XX women tend to be bigger and stronger than XY women. Depending on how many they are, they could dominate women's sports that require size and strength.

TheOne Who Is Not Obeyed said...

It's pretty simple - competitive categories in sports need to reflect government forms: male, female, other. Once that's done, we can start to fight about equity in salaries for the Other NBA, the Other World Soccer Organization, etc.

But not for the WNFL or the ONFL. I wonder why that would be?

rehajm said...

I must apologize, as the primary emotion I feel is...gratification.

rehajm said...

Something something lying in a bed...

rhhardin said...

The problem is that the story refers to him as her.

Milo Minderbinder said...

I can't wait for Gorsuch to deal with the language of Title IX.

Ann Althouse said...

"Swimming World... called for her to not race at the NCAA Championships, but to be given an alternative opportunity to display her talent in the pool."

That really is a very silly solution.

Ann Althouse said...

"That really is a very silly solution."

There's no splitting the difference. Either Thomas is included — in the real thing, women's sports — or excluded.

They have to pick!

Joe Smith said...

The 'WSJ' has an article today with the line:

'There is data to show that men typically have physiological traits that could provide an advantage in swimming, including larger lung capacity, leaner body mass, and hearts that circulate oxygen more efficiently...'

No shit Sherlock.

Who writes this drivel?

Joe Smith said...

My contention is that her wang acts as a rudder, and she is able to stay in a straighter line, thereby reducing the length of the swim to a minimum.

But that's just a theory.

Joe Smith said...

'There is no hormone therapy that makes people shorter or shrinks their hands and feet.'

At 6'1" or so (best estimate I could find), she's gotta have some pretty big boats pushing her through the water.

It's odd that when I tried to find her height, there wasn't a single source with a definitive answer...pretty strange unless it is being actively suppressed.

MayBee said...

There's no splitting the difference. Either Thomas is included — in the real thing, women's sports — or excluded.

They have to pick!


True, although Thomas could be included in the men's competition also.

MayBee said...

Wouldn't that be a wonderful, heartwarming story line? Like when a woman is on a men's football team, or a high school girl competes against the boys in wrestling?

In this case, a woman, Lia Thomas, is scrappy enough to swim against the guys! Imagine!

MayBee said...

I am bothered. Relatedly, one of the cable networks- it's Lifetime or TLC or something- is participating in Women's History Month by having HerStory told to "Celebrate Women of All Kinds". The woman doing the ads for the introduction is Laverne Cox. Now, I'm certain she had a whole big set of experiences growing up. But are we so past women as women that we can't have a whole-life woman be the host of the program? Are we so unimportant? Is the experience of growing up as a woman so meaningless? If so, why "women's history month" at all?

Michael said...

Proving once again that men are better at sports.

FIDO said...

The problem these women have is with the feminist organizations which pushed, or at least abided by these changes made.

Men are probably not riding to their rescue on this since they were pretty smug about it.

gahrie said...

They have to pick!

But that might make Thomas feel bad, and no woman must ever be made to feel bad about, or responsible for, anything, ever. Even if she's really a man.

Yancey Ward said...

The female athletes themselves have to fight this battle, if it is important to them. If it isn't important, then they will do as they have- continue to participate in these events with Thomas and others.

I am willing to fight for them, but they have to take the first action- boycott these events.

Michael said...

Does anyone remember the East German swim team? Pumped those girls up with testosterone from age of 5 to 18, then turned them loose in the pool. Same thing.

n.n said...

So, trans/homos can have babies in absentia, and trans/neos have lowered the metaphorical scalpel on biological females as males adopt feminine attributes to overcome diversity. Will the feminists stand up for their chauvinistic ideology and sacrifice babies... women, girls for their personal progress (PP)?

daskol said...

Dr. Levine is woman of the year, Thomas NCAA women’s champion. These are great leaps forward for women, so comfortable with the gains they’ve made over the decades to cede their relatively newly won spaces to XYs. It’s not just women’s sports that we’ll have to give up on—I reckon that in most competitive arenas whether professional achievement or physical prowess, XYs will have some aggression/ambition derived advantage, almost as though eons of evolutionary competition amongst themselves formed some aspect of them.

daskol said...

Does anyone remember the East German swim team? Pumped those girls up with testosterone from age of 5 to 18, then turned them loose in the pool. Same thing

Unless they’d identified promising future swimmers in uterine and manipulated the uterine hormonal environment, I’m guessing Lia Thomas has a still more profound advantage.

n.n said...

Men are probably not riding to their rescue on this since they were pretty smug about it.

For the girls and women, yes. Transgender conversion therapy, whether through surgical, medical, or psychiatric corruption, is politically congruent ("=")... first, they normalized reproductive rites for social, redistributive, clinical, and fair weather causes. For the feminists, no. Lose your religion.

c365 said...

Thomas can showcase his talent as a trans woman in the men's pool.

Why subject all the women to an unfair disadvantage when Thomas can compete against the men and no one is at a biological disadvantage, with only Thomas' feelings on the matter being affected?

Thomas can be introduced as the first place trans woman competing in the men's competition. (S)He will additionally place according to her biological gender. So 1st place trans category and 10th place overall.

This is the only way to do it that doesn't rob women of a chance to compete and allows Thomas the chance to compete against high caliber athletes.

If there are more trans athletes they'd additionally be ranked overall and within the trans category for the podium.

If it's a hollow victory for Thomas to get to podium in a competition of 1/1 then it's equally hollow for Thomas to beat up on girls in the pool and stand on the podium with an astrix after her name.

True competitors want to compete against the best. Thomas isn't doing that. The women don't compete against the men because they know at the elite level it's no competition and there's nothing they can do to change that.

Thomas on the other hand is capable of competition against the best

Mark said...

Comprehensive research is still lacking, but early studies suggest that a man is a man is a man.

Only modern "science" can be clueless about what has been known for millennia with respect to not only humans, but animals as well.

Mark said...

And remember, if you have a problem with her penis flopping about in the locker room, it is YOUR problem.

Maynard said...

Lia Thomas is 6'3" and nearly 200 pounds mostly testosterone fueled muscle.

Iman said...

They said, “hey, honey… take a swim in the gene pool.”

Iman said...

They said, “hey, honey… take a swim in the gene pool.”

mikee said...

Were Diana Moon Glampers around these days, The Handicapper General of the United States from Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron" would be hard pressed to decide who she should shoot - the race winning trans athlete, or the losing XX females who still want to compete and win fairly. Both would be anathema in her world.

Perhaps just attaching a few cinderblocks to each athlete with padlocked chains would even things out to the satisfaction of all, competition and government alike. And in all fairness, if they all sink to the bottom of the pool then equity has been achieved, right?

Temujin said...

Somehow lost in all of this is the idea that participating in the NCAA Women's Swimming programs is a right. It is not a right. No one has the 'right' to participate. That's ludicrous. The NCAA, which is perhaps the worst sports organization operating today, cannot get out of it's own way when it comes to any of the sports it oversees. (they're so awful when it comes to football, a number of conferences are talking about leaving and forming a new organization).

What they have to do first, is remember that they are adults, even though they are attached to universities. Then they have to set clear standards. And those standards cannot include 'the right' to participate. It's simply not a right. He/she did participate as a man. For three years. So clearly, as he/she has spent 99% of his/her life as a man, it's pretty clear...this person is in a man's body.

That crosses the line of a standard to participate in women's sports. Instead of bending reality to fit one (or 30 or 300) person's wants, its time the NCAA assert some simple and clear standards. Call a spade a spade. This is what a man is. This is what a woman is. If you are a trans person- great! We'll support you in school, we're all for you living your life as you wish. But you do not have a right to participate in NCAA Sports unless you follow the standards. And in this case, a trans woman would not. Lia has no claim on this. It is utterly ridiculous that we're even having to watch this cartoon take place.

This change in life is Lia's decision. Her demand to swim on the women's team shows no bravery. It shows selfishness and a complete lack of respect for all others around her. It's all about her. And ESPN, not surprisingly, is all about playing it up.

Jim said...

Title IX is dead. Put a fork in it.

hawkeyedjb said...

Why are white women who pretend to be black ostracized and canceled, but white men who pretend to be women are feted? There's some serious inconsistency in our dealing with make-believes.

Matt Walsh had it right: What you're doing is appropriating womanhood and making into a costume that can be worn.

JaimeRoberto said...

Just as you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, you don't need a scientist to know why way the dick dangles.

Joe Smith said...

'The woman doing the ads for the introduction is Laverne Cox.'

Cox? Really?

Is that her stripper name?

You can't make it up.

Maybe more proof of Scott Adams' theory that we're all living in a simulation...

Achilles said...

Ann Althouse said...

"That really is a very silly solution."

There's no splitting the difference. Either Thomas is included — in the real thing, women's sports — or excluded.

They have to pick!


Why not let her be included in the Men's division?

Beasts of England said...

In solidarity with Lia, I’m hitting from the ladies tees tomorrow. ;)

Caligula said...

“Scientists are still examining,” umm, what? Whether “female” is an actual physical reality in species (including ours) that reproduce sexually, or if, perhaps, “female” is just a state of mind?

Richard Dillman said...

This is the new lysenkoism. Its not that different from the old lysenkoism under Stalin. The social, economic environment shapes everything: gender, sex, race, intelligence, achievement, and political consciousness, etc.. The soviets believed that the communist system eliminated greed and self interest, among other capitalist traits, from the human personality. The new soviet citizen was thought to be theoretically able to pass on socialist genes to their children. We are not far away from this situation today with our “birthgiving people,” biological males posing as women, and trans women athletes, among other absurdities. The new lysenkoism is deeply anti- science and anti- genetics. It is the new woke "science."

Curious George said...

Ann Althouse said...
"That really is a very silly solution."

There's no splitting the difference. Either Thomas is included — in the real thing, women's sports — or excluded.

They have to pick!"

Swimming World is not the, or a, governing body. The NCAA is. But let's face it. This has nothing to do with fairness in women's sports. The left will not allow anything other than these male trannies competing as women. Because to do so would make them not women or less than women.





n.n said...

First, they asked babies to take a knee, then they came for the boys, and NOW the girls.

Sofa King said...

Women used Title IX to wreck men's sports, and now men are returning the favor.

Christopher B said...

It ain't the hormones, it's the chromosomes. Call 'em the Double-X Division and the Open Division.

hombre said...

"... a subject that scientists are still examining ...." Yes, because there is no science on the subject just as there is no science on when life begins, Gore's hockey stick, or early treatment of COVID. /s

Bwahahaha! The NYT and its ilk, gifts
that keeps on giving to the intellectual subpars who comprise America's "elite."

Say, where are the pink pussy hat people as we wait for Will/Lia to displace them as the answer to, "How ridiculous are we?"

Joe Smith said...

'In solidarity with Lia, I’m hitting from the ladies tees tomorrow. ;)'

Interesting...I'd never shoot anything higher than a 79.

Wouldn't be scratch though because my chipping still sucks.

Jupiter said...

"Science" has nothing to say about "transgender women", because there is no such thing.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

"There's no splitting the difference. Either Thomas is included — in the real thing, women's sports — or excluded."

You see the absurdity in your statement, right?

Of course, if you accept Wonderland rules as a starting point, it doesn't matter.

Jupiter said...

Blogger tim in vermont said...
"A taller golfer can hit a ball much farther than a shorter golfer of equal strength, Isaac Newton could have easily provided a proof in the 18th century."

Tim, Isaac Newton was dead in the 18th Century, but even had he been alive, he could have provided no such proof because, to the extent that your assertion even means anything, it is false. Maybe you should go back to worrying that "We're All Gonna Die!" from COVID-19.

Howard said...

Genderification of sport.

Howard said...

Genderification of sport.

Jupiter said...

"There's no splitting the difference. Either Thomas is included — in the real thing, women's sports — or excluded.

They have to pick!"

I like how you used his name to avoid using a pronoun in your demand that others make their position clear.

Jill McMahon said...

Put an asterisk by her name in the record books. They'll sort it out later.

Jupiter said...

Of course, there is another way to look at this. Sports are sports, right? If you can't hack it, why are you whining? Get out of the pool if you can't take the humidity. Why have separate competitions for people who are genetically unfit to compete?

effinayright said...

Just asking...if Lia Thomas puts on a kimono, will xhe be pilloried for "cultural appropriation"?

If so, why isn't xhe canceled for sexual appropriation?

And why were East German and Russian female athletes so often disqualified for taking hormones and meds to make them more muscular, when Thomas is allowed to have all sorts of chemicals put into him to make him more female?

Or is xhe even being tested?

IN any case, Althouse told us just the other day that Americans "completely" accepted trans people---so why the controversy?

Big Mike said...

Thomas is a moose next the girls “she” was competing against. It was one thing to acquiesce to Title IX when the beneficiaries were women. There seems to me to be no particular value in setting up two levels of men’s sports,

Clyde said...

I don't know dick about swimming, but I do know that someone with a dick shouldn't be competing against women in sports.

Clyde said...

Ann Althouse said...

There's no splitting the difference. Either Thomas is included — in the real thing, women's sports — or excluded.

They have to pick!


There you go, using that white privilege "logic" thing again. As if they would!

Freeman Hunt said...

You obviously can't have trans women competing in women's sports. This is obvious. The emperor has no clothes!

Clyde said...

And the obvious solution is for the real women to stand on the blocks when the starter's gun goes off and let Thomas swim alone. Stand and watch him, and not dignify the process of a competition that has been rigged against the real women.

Freeman Hunt said...

It's a litmus test for one side, a shortcut to finding out whether or not someone cares about reality.

What would the litmus test be for the other side? I think it used to be whether or not a person thought President Obama was a Muslim. What would the new one be?

Krumhorn said...

Lia displays a glorious mangina in a swimsuit. Got that thang tucked up the crack of his ass.

- Krumhorn

Jupiter said...

I like how the scum-suckers all refer to him as "the first openly transgender woman to " yadda-di-yadda-yadda. Like there have been a bunch of "closeted transgender women" trashing women's sports for decades now, but good, brave Lia has finally put an end to the lies and deception.

Where do you suppose they go to all get on the same page of lies? Do they have secret decoder watches that tell them what transparent falsehood they should all spew today? Maybe they have chips implanted in their brains. Behind the masks they all wear ...

Interested Bystander said...

Anyone saying that people born male don't have a physical advantage are lying. Lia Thomas is a perfect example. He's not just edged out the best females in the world he's humiliated them. New records in swimming are done in tenths or hundredths of a second. Thomas beat the old record in the 1500 by something like 35 seconds. Ridiculous. (I was and still am a swimmer.)

Josephbleau said...

"others dispute that transgender women have a built-in advantage and have argued that inclusion should outweigh competition."

We are ignoring the "legal principle" of disparate impact. We settle the statement that "others dispute that transgender women have a built-in advantage" by looking at how many standard deviations trans gender people perform above birth genders. if it goes one way, male to female or female to male, and not the other then we can find significant evidence (say +2 sigma) that trans genders do have an advantage, and argue whether it is built in, whatever that means. This works with a sample size of one, if the effect is great, but you can argue that the one person you sampled is not a typical specimen.

I don't recall any female to male athletes who are medalists in the NCAA. If none are in competition, that is evidence that they are not likely to win.

BUMBLE BEE said...

As Michael said the East German swim team's being called out on their Manly Stuff? The response as I recall was "We came to swim, not to sing".

Interested Bystander said...

Women should stand by the starting blocks and refuse to swim against male opponents. That's the only way things will change. Some will have to abandon their dream because they will be cancelled but nothing will change until there are protests on video going viral.

David said...

I think that if they have had the whackadikoffame, then let them compete, Otherwise, back to the M side,

David Burnham

David said...

I think that if they have had the whackadikoffame, then let them compete, Otherwise, back to the M side,

David Burnham

Oso Negro said...

Here's a ditty to the tune of "Little Old Lady from Pasadena" by Jan and Dean


Long Tall Tranny from Pennsylvania

She’s the long tall tranny from Pennsylvania!

The long tall tranny from Pennsylvania
(go tranny go tranny go tranny go)
Has a pretty girls suit that she likes to train in
(go tranny go tranny go tranny go)
But under her swimsuit and under her towels
Is a grown man’s set of cock and balls

Everybody’s saying that there nobody meaner
Than the long tall tranny from Pennsylvania
She swims real fast and she swims real hard
She’s the terror of Yale, Princeton and Harvard

She's the long tall tranny from Pennsylvania!
If you see her on the blocks don’t try to choose her
(go tranny go tranny go tranny go)

You might train real hard but you’ll never lose her
(go tranny go tranny go tranny go)

Well, she’s gonna get kicked out now she’s gonna go down
Cause she can’t keep suppressing her testosterone

The girls come to race her from miles around
But she'll give 'em a length then she'll shut 'em down

n.n said...

I think that if they have had the whackadikoffame, then let them compete, Otherwise, back to the M side,

Why? Trans refers to sate or process of divergence from normal. Gender refers to physical and mental sex-correlated attributes. He can self-identify as trans/fluid, avoid the choice between a sexual orientation or even trans/bi, keep his masculine attributes, and still compete with women as a trans/pseudo individual. With social progress, he can abort the baby, cannibalize her profitable parts, sequester her carbon pollutants, and have her, too. #NoJudgment #NoLabels #Forward

Jim at said...

Maybe someone could explain to me why the female swimmers are continuing to participate in this nonsense.

Because the quickest way to make it stop is to boycott until people come to their senses.

Sebastian said...

By the way, Althouse (and others): have you ever heard "Lia" speak? I just saw "her" being interviewed for the first time. Even in the realm of trans absurdity, it's an effing travesty: "she" isn't even trying. That man is a man is a man. So says science, and my lying eyes and ears.

It's a real test for women: will they resist this attack of the patriarchy?

P.S. Isaac Newton (1642-1727).


Michael said...

This isn't hard, people. If you have XY chromosomes, you compete with the men. If you have XX chromosomes, you compete with the women. Or organize a trans-sports competition. This is a place where the principle of the greatest good for the greatest number should apply. Some few will feel left out. Life can be like that, when being fair to the few is unfair to the many.

Maynard said...

I was unaware that Lia Thomas still had a dick. My rule of thumb is that you are a man until you cut off your manhood.

Jupiter said...

"Is a grown man’s set of cock and balls"

I think he had to get the balls cut off, to get his testosterone down.

Jupiter said...

"Women should stand by the starting blocks and refuse to swim against male opponents."

Yeah! That'll show 'em. Maybe they can make some sammiches while they watch the race.

tcrosse said...

Lia is not behaving like a lady, and is certainly no gentleman.

jpg said...

Thomas is just a cheat who guarantees wins for himself against inferior competition. Thomas's enablers are simply accessories to his fraud. Women brought this on themselves because the only way to defeat Thomas and his fellow cheats is to boycott him. And they won't. So screw 'em.

walter said...

Perhaps binding of hands and feet could equalize things a bit.

TaeJohnDo said...

Lea still has a dick and claims he/she still likes women. If he/she was serious about being a women and a lesbian, he/she would lose the dick. He/she is a loser who found a way to 'win' and be a hero/heroine to the left. Anyone who celebrates his/her 'victories' and 'challenges' is an enabler to his/her fraudulent competitions.

RigelDog said...

"As some insist that no amount of testosterone suppression can undo the physiological changes linked to male puberty, like taller height and larger hands and feet.."

If men can lose all their physical advantages just by taking estrogen, then the reverse should also be true----grown women simply need to take testosterone, and then they will be on a complete physical par with men, right?

Indigo Red said...

First, stop calling him Lia Thomas. His name is William “Will” Thomas. Will is not a girl, he is a boy. That won't change. Second, Will is not a champion; he is a loser. That won't change, either.

ussmidway said...

The Trans Movement is the next project for those who were involved in the rapid shift in public opinion and laws regarding gay & lesbian rights (1990-2010). The victory for this "Equal Rights" Movement, which had just succeeded much more quickly than many would have ever predicted, boosted their confidence and added a tone of self-righteousness. They are not interested in open debate, implying as it does, that there can be more than one way to look at things. The language and tactics on display mirror those from the previous battle, with the extra spin imparted now by the Wokerati, who regulate the public arena where the contenders make their case. Despite their best efforts to favor the Trans activists, I wonder of this is too big a leap.

Gay & lesbian people really have been a part of the human family forever, even when they lived in societies where this was cause for unfair treatment by other people, or the State. Most Americans sense this is true, and they have been largely welcomed into their communities over the last 10-20 years. This is a good thing.

Trans activists however, represent a new category. Humans have not evolved with the medical technology of 2022, and many do not instinctively accept the idea that sex identity is a social construct and a matter of choice. This is a very different concept and I think the Movement is likely to inspire a backlash as the public tolerance for BS is exhausted.

Randomizer said...

From the article, "The problem is that the NCAA’s guidelines were based on outdated science and didn’t account for the advantages of Thomas undergoing male puberty and significant testosterone production."

Swimming World is being a too charitable with that sentence. The NCAA didn't base their guidelines on any science. If they say they did, let's see the research that conflicted with decades of prior practice, then was overturned five years later with more advanced research.

In my opinion, the NCAA acted cowardly by disrespecting the training and effort of women athletes in order to satisfy the pink mafia.

wendybar said...

THIS is the difference......
https://twitter.com/willdoubrava/status/1504856463524651008?

Stephen St. Onge said...

        William ‘Lia’ Thomas is a man pretending to be a woman, and everyone knows it.  But Willy’s right to pretend, and to ‘win’ an unfair competition must be protected, because it aids in the destruction of Christendom.

        Nothing else needs to be said.

Stephen St. Onge said...

Jupiter said...
“Where do you suppose they go to all get on the same page of lies? Do they have secret decoder watches that tell them what transparent falsehood they should all spew today? Maybe they have chips implanted in their brains. Behind the masks they all wear ...”
_____________

        They get it from the NYTimes, the WaPo, the Nation, NPR, etc.  Those sources in turn get it from the “activists,” and college professors who are dedicated to destroying Christendom.

        It’s easy to see how this works, if you have the courage to look.  When dealing with them, just think “They’re the Nazis, we’re the Jews.  They’re the Communists, we’re the kulaks.”

Rollo said...

It's extremely unlikely that closeted transsexual women competed before, but intersex people could well have been. Four were barred from competing as women in track events in the 2021 Olympics. Of course, none had as much of an advantage as Thomas did.

Josephbleau said...

Next we have to allow 16 year olds to play tee ball with first graders, they identify as 6 year olds. Hero’s and sluggers all.

Lurker21 said...

There are reports that NBC filtered or photoshopped Lia's picture to remove the suggestion of facial hair. The traces weren't very noticeable, but the network wasn't taking any chances.

JAORE said...

"Next we have to allow 16 year olds to play tee ball with first graders, they identify as 6 year olds. Hero’s and sluggers all."

That was my thought too. Even at my advanced age I would RULE as the goalie in youth 7-8 year old soccer.

I'm planning the trophy case now.

Scott said...

Now that HE has his ill-gotten gains, I wonder if he will change his mind again and detransition?

After all, if you can become a woman simply by stating that you are one, you can become a man the same way, right?