Transcript. Excerpt:
TERRY McAULIFFE: [P]eople were very happy that I vetoed the bill that literally parents could take books out of the curriculum. You know, I love Millie and Jack McAuliffe, my parents, but they should not have been picking my math or science book. We have experts who actually do that. And look what happened. [Glenn Youngkin] is closing his campaign on banning books. It's created a controversy all over the country. He wants to ban Toni Morrison's book Beloved. So he's going after one of the most preeminent African American female writers in American history, won the Nobel Prize, has a Presidential Medal of Freedom, and he wants her books banned. Now, of all the hundreds of books you could look at, why did you pick the one Black female author? Why did you do it? He's ending his campaign on a racist dog whistle...
It's racializing to call it a racializing, of course.
... just like he started the campaign when he talks about election integrity. But Chuck, we have a great school system in Virginia. Dorothy and I have raised our five children.
But McAuliffe sent 4 of those 5 children to private school (Catholic school).
Back to the transcript:
Of course parents are involved in it. The question should be could an extreme Republican bill that would allow parents to take books off of shelves, should that be left in the hands of parents or should it be left to the school boards and others who do this every single day and focus on it?
CHUCK TODD: They would argue that bill is not saying --TERRY McAULIFFE: And as you saw in the crowd, everybody clapped when I said it.
CHUCK TODD: I understand that. But they would say this is not about banning a book, this is about informing parents that a book may have some material that not all parents will be crazy about. We should let you know that your kid is going to be dealing with this material. Is that out of bounds?TERRY McAULIFFE: That's not out of bounds. But if you look at what the bill would be, it ultimately would've led to books being removed from our classrooms.
So after all that, it's NOT banning books! It just "would've led to" something. You've got to watch the video at as McAuliffe hears that last question from Todd. There's a painful gap between question and answer, and when McAuliffe finally speaks, it is with a high-pitched yelp. Does he ever answer the question whether it might be an acceptable idea to inform parents about certain objectionable material? (I note that it seems to be a request for trigger warnings.)
And as they say, we're the fourth-best school education system in the country, our K-12 system. We're great. You look at my plan, I'm going to raise teacher pay. I'm going to get children pre-K education, those at-risk three- and four-year-olds.
Now, he's just plugging in his education proposals. I guess you could say he answered when, repeating Todd's language, he said "That's not out of bounds." But he vetoed it anyway, right?
I'm going to get everybody access to broadband. What's Glenn Youngkin's education plan? He wants to ban critical race theory. Well, let me explain to you, it's never been taught in Virginia.
Todd really needed to come in with a question at that point. Even if CRT isn't taught, aren't lessons framed on the insights of CRT? Would he endorse (or accept) teaching children that their skin color puts them on a level of privilege that is different from that of children with a different skin color?
But Todd lets him spill out his canned speech:
Number two, he says he wants to, day one, all masks come off and no teachers get vaccinated. Well, that's life-threatening. We have 1,142 children who have been in a hospital here in Virginia. Two 11-year-olds just died the other day from Covid. He doesn't have an education plan. He's got a Donald Trump, Betsy DeVos, take money out of public schools, put it into private schools. That doesn't work in Virginia. And that's why parents supported me when I vetoed that bill. And I am the one who has the plan to move our education system forward.
CHUCK TODD: You know, if you look at the Washington Post-Schar School poll, on the issue of education... it looks like they have successfully redefined it and have made it the top-issue concern among a list of issues. It's now topped the economy and Covid. Two months ago, that was not the case. Is this a case where they've successfully created an issue in this campaign and you're having to struggle to react to it?
McAuliffe simply continues with nonresponsive material that seems to be all about accusing Glenn Youngkin of racism:
TERRY McAULIFFE: Well, as you see I'm still leading on education because people know I put a record investment last time. I got rid of five SOLs. I redesigned our high schools. People trust me on education. But it's at the forefront here in Virginia as it now is in others. You see what's happened in Georgia and Florida because they're talking about this critical race theory. And as I said before and I'll say it again, it's never been taught in Virginia. I really hate it because it's a racist dog whistle. And all Glenn Youngkin has done in this campaign is run down Virginia, run down our education system, run down our economy. And when you think of this right now on critical race theory, Chuck, it's not taught. So all you're doing is pitting parents against parents, parents against teachers, and they're using children as political pawns. I was in Hampton last night. I met a school board member, said, "Our school boards were fine. As soon as Glenn Youngkin got nominated, all of a sudden these people started showing up creating such a ruckus, calling such obscene things." This was an African American woman. I can't repeat on air what they said about her. This was last night up here in northern Virginia. We just-- listen to this, we just lost a school board member because people are coming into these school boards. She said, "I was getting death threats. But when they said they were going to rape my children, I can't take it anymore." That's what Glenn Youngkin has done here in Virginia. He's created hatred and division just like Donald Trump. And that's why Donald Trump, his final campaign, is going to be for Glenn Youngkin here in Virginia. We don't want Trump.... We don't want Youngkin. We don't want the hatred and division.
Todd allows all that and moves on to another topic without challenging anything.
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"Does he ever answer the question whether it might be an acceptable idea to inform parents about certain objectionable material? (I note that it seems to be a request for trigger warnings.)"
Not a trigger warning. Rather, a content warning for what may be inappropriate based on the parents judgement.
"McAuliffe simply continues with nonresponsive material that seems to be all about accusing Glenn Youngkin of racism."
IOW, he is very responsive, and responds just the way Todd likes. And Dems will keep doing it until the nice liberal women of America stop complaining about non responsiveness and instead refuse to put up with the BS by voting Dems out, consistently. Since in fact many nice liberal women are very responsive to nonresponsive racial dog whistles used against Republicans, Dems will keep doing what they are doing.
'We have experts who actually do that.'
And they are 'experts' with an agenda of promoting the radical CRT and LGBT agenda.
I've seen some of the books available to high school kids, and it's not what any parent I know would allow in their homes.
So why allow it at school?
Because up until now, parents didn't know these books existed in school libraries.
I'm against all censorship and book burning, but that doesn't mean we have to allow books promoting 'trans' and 'queer' agenda (along with explicit drawings) in public schools.
Buy those books yourself if that's your thing...
The left has turned education into indoctrination...how about teaching reading, writing, etc. and knock off the brainwashing...
In order to support democrats, you just have to be willfully stupid.
Unless you are one of the few evil shitheads using CRT to actively tear the country down.
... it ultimately would've led to books being removed from our classrooms
So, do the classrooms contain books that teach Critical Race Theory?
The press takes sides. Perfect illustration.
Our press is broken and have lost all credibility.
The most important thing that Chuck Todd did, was to play the complete segment from the debate where McAuliffe supposedly said that he didn't want parents involved in their kids' education. In the entire context, McAuliffe was saying that he didn't want individual parents to have a veto over materials that would be available in schools. And with that, I agree. If some parent doesn't what her child reading Toni Morrison, or Mark Twain, or D.H. Lawrence, then don't let your kid check it out of the library. But don't tell the library what to put on the shelves. Go ahead and go to the library board meeting and make your point. (Short of following the board members out to the parking lot and screaming at them that you know where they live.) Go through the process. McAuliffe objected to some fringe-right proposal for individual parents to get some books and materials pulled.
I'm really surprised, Mrs. Bloggress, that you have seemingly fallen in with this crap about "it sounds like Critical Race Theory even if it isn't exactly Critical Race Theory." It is plainly embarrassing for the Trumpist opponents of CRT, to sit and be cross-examined on where exactly CRT is being taught as a matter of school and/or school board policy. This was the big fight on your comments a few days ago, and I issued that challenge at that time and nobody came up with a good answer. Some of your Virginia readers cited "Loudon County," which had n-o-t-h-i-n-g to do with CRT. And now Michelle Goldberg and the NYT have substantially blown that story up anyway. This would have been a good one for you to blog:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/28/opinion/loudoun-county-trans.html
You can go line by line and a large portion of his accusations are projections, which surprises exactly no one.
"all you're doing is pitting parents against parents, parents against teachers, and they're using children as political pawns."
So, they DO teach CRT...
Early on, I was reminded of the CA recall, when Republicans thought they had a chance and it slipped away in the last weeks. When the vote came, Newsome won in a landslide. No failure, no lie, no mismanagement on his part could get enough people to become willing to try something different.
I figured it would be the same in VA. A lot of dreaming on the right before they have the rug pulled out from under them just before the election. But little by little, the numbers keep skewing Younkin's way and McAuliffe keeps getting more and more desperate. He needs every black vote he can lay his hands on and he's willing to say or do absolutely anything to get them.
So the question is, are there enough blacks in VA who are smarter than whites in CA?
Oh, and to make an obvious (but never talked about) observation: Having Chuck Todd as the lead anchor on a network news program should be shocking.
Same with Stephanopoulos.
What would the outrage be if Steve Bannon or Kellyanne Conway were the lead anchors on a major network?
I think you know.
But McAuliffe sent 4 of those 5 children to private school (Catholic school).
Did Mcauliffe not care about that 5th one?
Did he sacrifice his 5th kid's education to try to appear less hypocritical?
How is it that these staunch supporters of public education never send their kids there but they want to tell parents to shut up and accept their dictats?
The masks are off. It is obvious at this point to the entire country just what the democrat party is.
They can only get so far with "mail-in ballots."
He wants to ban Toni Morrison's book Beloved. So he's going after one of the most preeminent African American female writers in American history, won the Nobel Prize, has a Presidential Medal of Freedom, and he wants her books banned. Now, of all the hundreds of books you could look at, why did you pick the one Black female author? Why did you do it? He's ending his campaign on a racist dog whistle...
McAuliffe describes the issue so falsely, because he needs at least 95% of the Black vote.
That particular book is not the issue.
My own perception of the issue is that, in general, Blacks perform more poorly in school than other ethnic groups. For a lot of school administrators and teachers, the main solution is to blame the larger society's racism.
That explanation might be partly true, and intellectual discussion of that explanation is worthwhile.
However, such discussions should not be part of any school curriculum below the college level. No classroom discussions should be conducted about why Blacks perform more poorly.
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A related problem is that Black students might study more if the curriculum included more readings related to Black history, Black literature, etc. For example, Black students might be more motivated to read a fictional work by Toni Morrison than by, say, John Steinbeck.
That's OK, but there should be some limits. If Black students learn only Black history and Black literature, then their education is too narrow.
This guy is the prototype of the manipulative, dishonest, no goo for nothing politicians who should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. Disgust is too good of a word for my revulsion of him.
#McDesperation
Keep pornography and how-to-racial hatred out of the curriculum and the problem is solved.
Isn't it funny that only lying RACIST Progressives hear these RACIST dog whistles?? Maybe they should look in the mirror when they hear it, so they can see what a RACIST really looks like!!!
"won the Nobel Prize"
As did Asser Arafat and Henry Kissinger.
"has a Presidential Medal of Freedom"
As did Bill Cosby and Barry Goldwater
Are these folks writings on the reading list as well? And ironically, Morrison's Presidential Medal of Freedom was bestowed by none other than Nobel laureate, Barack Obama.
this is not about banning a book, this is about informing parents that a book may have some material that not all parents will be crazy about. We should let you know that your kid is going to be dealing with this material. Is that out of bounds?
several things....
1) it's FUN when people say they were 'taken out of context' when you quote them in their entirety
2) Just to be clear... Trigger warnings are still required for SOME things, right?
I mean, it's just things PARENTS are worried about that don't need trigger warnings, right?
3) going to provide Everyone, with Broadband!
What about cakes and ale? why not provided everyone with cakes and ale while you're at it?
4) Virginia Dept. of Education website promotes CRT despite McAuliffe claims it's 'never been taught' there
On the Virginia Department of Education website, several examples of the department promoting Critical Race Theory can be found, including a presentation from 2015, when Terry McAullife was governor, that encourages teachers to "embrace Critical Race Theory" in "order to re-engineer attitudes and belief systems."
I love the smell of desperation in the morning but Democrats are pros at stealing elections so I will wait to see how they do it this time. Hugh Hewitt wrote a book called "If it's not close they can't cheat." That was well before 2020.
Just the usual canned Democrat nonsense:
1) Democrats and Leftists getting mysterious "death threats" and "rape threats". Really? What public figure doesn't get anonymous "Death threats"? Are they real or just like the Fake KKK signs and nooses?
2) Republicans are Racist (What no Charlottsville?)
3) Republicans want to ban books
4 There is no Critical Race theory (aka there is no antifa. There is no war on christmas,etc)
I guess this is all aimed at the moronic "Soccer Moms", who of course don't care about economics, corruption, law and order, etc. but only about "racism" and "Banning books". The democrats (cf Biden's campaign) no longer have to engage in the issues and have a adult conversation about the future of the state (or country). All they have to do is drive enough dumb soccer moms to the polls and ensure the yellow dog Democrats show up. That's enough for victory.
Christopher Rufo has addressed denials that CRT is being taught in schools:
https://christopherrufo.com/mcaullifes-crt-lie/
From Rufo's opening comment:
" But in 2015, when McAuliffe was last governor, the Virginia Department of Education instructed public schools to “embrace critical race theory” in order to “re-engineer attitudes and belief systems.” "
Read the whole thing. Too bad Todd won't do his homework.
Chuck Todd's wife is a Democratic adviser (and Donator) in Virginia. Isn't that a conflict of interest?? Shouldn't Todd have mentioned this prior to the interview?? Why do Progressives get to do and say whatever they want with no consequences?? https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/09/29/did-anyone-notice-the-glaring-conflict-of-interest-during-virginias-second-gubernatorial-debate-n2596667
He picked the book because its contents are not suitable for young people to read. He makes stuff up, lies (no CRT taught: look at the viral video of a mom's testimony before the schoolboard after being asked by a 6 year old if she is evil because she is white) and projects his failures as prior governor onto his opponent who has never held public office.
Todd really needed to come in with a question at that point. Even if CRT isn't taught, aren't lessons framed on the insights of CRT? Would he endorse (or accept) teaching children that their skin color puts them on a level of privilege that is different from that of children with a different skin color?
These are questions that would have been asked if our nation was really "reckoning with race," or "having a national conversation." Of course, this is not a conversation, not a search for consensus. It's a raw power play.
And, you know about dog whistles. Only dogs hear them. So, with racist dog whistles...
I wouldn't assign "Beloved" to schoolchildren because it's written is such a hard-to-read style. I wouldn't force that on anyone. I think the pro-"Beloved" argument might fail just because there are millions of people who absolutely hated being made to read it.
I've read it. I read it by my own choice, but it was a matter of adapting and getting a good attitude about the elevated and strange writing. If I had to do that as schoolwork it would have been with a lot of background anger at the teacher. (It's not Morrison's fault. She didn't purport to be writing for children!)
"It's not Morrison's fault. She didn't purport to be writing for children!"
And she didn't purport to be writing a page-turner for adults. I think she deliberately made it hard to get at, and that paid off. It was regarded as a great work of art. And no one dares to say it's not.
Does he ever answer the question whether it might be an acceptable idea to inform parents about certain objectionable material? (I note that it seems to be a request for trigger warnings.)
No, he doesn't answer that, and yes, he's utterly opposed to that.
because allowi9ng parents to learn about the filth being pushed on their children leads to the revolt we're seeing now
Chuck said...
The most important thing that Chuck Todd did, was to play the complete segment from the debate where McAuliffe supposedly said that he didn't want parents involved in their kids' education. In the entire context, McAuliffe was saying that he didn't want individual parents to have a veto over materials that would be available in schools. And with that, I agree. If some parent doesn't what her child reading Toni Morrison, or Mark Twain, or D.H. Lawrence, then don't let your kid check it out of the library. But don't tell the library what to put on the shelves.
That's a great argument Chuck, for 1950.
but it's 2021, and the libraries are constantly censoring books that the Left doesn't like.
Once' you've granted that power to anyone, you can have no possible justification for denying that power to the parents whose children are going to be exposed to those things.
Because it is teh parents, and only the parents, who have the moral, ethical, and legal right to decide what their kids should be exposed to.
That most certainly is not, and should not, be the right of public employees. be they librarians, school "teachers", or anyone else part of that ecosystem.
And no one dares to say it's not.
Wanna bet?
Ann Althouse at 12:17 PM
I wouldn't assign "Beloved" to schoolchildren because it's written is such a hard-to-read style.
The same is true of Huckleberry Finn, Romeo and Juliette and The Scarlet Letter.
Most high-school students are not able to read and appreciate fiction classics that were commonly taught in the past.
Don't try to fight it. Such works can be taught at the college level, to students who are really interested.
Don't forget. If you can hear a dog whistle, then you're the dog.
Chuck Todd's wife is a Democratic adviser (and Donator) in Virginia. Isn't that a conflict of interest??
Why was McAuliffe getting on everyone's TV in the state for free in the days before the election?
Why was he given a chance to rebut Youngkin's charges while leveling new charges at Youngkin?
Tim Russert would never do that.
It is plainly embarrassing for the Trumpist opponents of CRT, to sit and be cross-examined on where exactly CRT is being taught as a matter of school and/or school board policy. This was the big fight on your comments a few days ago, and I issued that challenge at that time and nobody came up with a good answer.
As i posted previously, https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-dept-of-education-website-promotes-crt-despite-mcauliffe-claims-its-never-been-taught-there
On the Virginia Department of Education website, several examples of the department promoting Critical Race Theory can be found, including a presentation from 2015, when Terry McAullife was governor, that encourages teachers to "embrace Critical Race Theory" in "order to re-engineer attitudes and belief systems."
Additionally, superintendent memo 050-19 can be found on the site from February 2019 promoting both Critical Race Theory and the idea of "white fragility."
Also in 2019, under Democratic Gov. Ralph Northam, Superintendent of Public Instruction James Lane sent a memo to Virginia public schools endorsing "Foundations of Critical Race Theory in Education," as an important "tool" that can "further spur developments in education."
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1454467134067642377?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1454467920117964805%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es2_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fpolitics%2Fvirginia-dept-of-education-website-promotes-crt-despite-mcauliffe-claims-its-never-been-taught-there
Not going to jump into Terry McAuliffe's comments. HIs is a history of corruption and rhetoric. Nothing much more than that. But at this point I'd say that anyone still watching Chuck Todd's Meet the Press is not someone unsure of who they are voting for. I suspect minds are made up at this point and tomorrow they'll get to show their hand. And the hands of all those thousands of extra ballots that mysteriously show up.
It's not like it doesn't happen in every key election these days.
Is schoolchildren the right term for an AP English class? Probably a number will have turned 18. Not read the book, not my cup of tea. A Portrait of the Artist probably the hardest thing I read in HS, and The Waste Land hardest assigned work.
McAuliffe lies as shamelessly as your run of the mill LLR, as this thread amply demonstrates.
It was once fashionable to denigrate all the books awarded the Pulitzer Prize for fiction; an attack on the panels. Did that stop by late eighties?
Pretty sure Roger Kimball denigrated the Beloved.
" There is no Critical Race theory (aka there is no antifa. There is no war on christmas,etc)"
I always think of Tony Soprano, petulantly proclaiming There is no Mafia.
McAuliffe's campaign has been an attempt to tie Youngkin to Trump and the far right. Conversely, Youngkin attempts to tie McAuliffe to the far left. From my perspective, Youngkin has successfully balanced keeping the Trumpists at arm's length, while TMc has not been able to get a successful separation. He should have dropped his "dog-whistle" rhetoric after if flopped at first. It would have been better if he just could have said "We don't teach racial discrimination in schools, it's wrong. No one should ever be judged on the color of their skin." Because he can't do that, he's tied to the loony left. (And I'm not putting down the whole left - I consider myself a political liberal - I'm just not an insane progressive who would stalk a woman into a bathroom for political reasons, etc.)
The Beloved issue is intriguing. I think the bill that McAuliffe vetoed probably should have been upheld. I'm not in favor of banning books - I read Vonnegut in HS over my parents objections (and, bless my parents, who still allowed me to make that decision when I was 16). A parent should have input into their child's education, despite what the loons think. There is a great online course on the Hebrew scriptures taught by Christine Hayes of Yale - she states in one of the first lectures, that she wouldn't let her kids read the Old Testament. It's not a children's book. Does that mean she's a "book-burner?" Of course not. I have not read Beloved - I would like to. However, based on what I have read, it makes sense that there should be some parental involvement in the selection and reading of the book. I read Native Son - it has a lot of uncomfortable issues - I would still recommend reading it. Similarly, from your comments, I understand that it can be stylistically difficult to read - I understand that. I found Their Eyes Were Watching God to be very difficult to read from a style standpoint. However the audiobook version (Ruby Dee) was magnificent.
Link to the Yale course mentioned above: https://oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies/rlst-145
Every one of those books is available, if not at the public library, then at Barnes & Noble or Amazon. The argument is over what the state is going to make the kids read.
Is he calling his parents stupid? He really thinks they couldn't have selected a math or science book?
One of Terry's kids went to a Jesuit high school so he gets a pass from me just for that one kid.
"I think she deliberately made it hard to get at, and that paid off. It was regarded as a great work of art. And no one dares to say it's not."
Well said. No one dares in this culture. Culture, like economics, is subject to Stein's law. Less than forever can still last a very long time, though. How long this will be is pretty much the metaphorical elephant in the metaphorical room.
"If something cannot go on forever, it will stop." - Stein's law
And the word of the day is "purport."
Fitting, because there's a lot of it going around.
>>He needs every black vote he can lay his hands on
Technically, photocopiers don't have a "race".
Wow. So McAullife imagines what Youngkin and parents are really saying, nails it down himself and has that as a basic standard that others want and need to top.
are any of us surprised that Chuck in on team McClinton?
A related problem is that Black students might study more if the curriculum included more readings related to Black history, Black literature, etc.
I know this is a widely held idea but I find it baffling. I was a voracious reader as a child/young adult and I liked to read things that were by and about people who were different from me. I grew up in a NYC suburb--why would I want more of that? Give me Dickens' London or Bronte's moors or Cather's midwest. The point of reading, as Dickens said about his own reading when he was a child: "Roderick Random, Peregrine Pickle, Humphrey Clinker, Tom Jones, the Vicar of Wakefield, Don Quixote, Gil Blas, and Robinson Crusoe came out, a glorious host to keep me company. They kept alive my fancy and my hope of something beyond that place and time..."
Wendybar -
It's never a conflict of interest when democrat hacks in the press hide their democrat hack ties. It's all part of the corrupt structure we are forced to accept.
"Our school boards were fine. As soon as Glenn Youngkin got nominated, all of a sudden these people started showing up creating such a ruckus, calling such obscene things."
So the Loudoun father whose daughter was raped in the school bathroom by a known offender would NOT have accosted the Loudoun school board if Youngkin hadn't riled him up?
with the left, it's not abouT the discussion or giving parents latitude - it's always about FORCE.
Accusing Republicans of racial dog whistling Dixie is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500.
By the way, McCauliffe says he has shown leadership in education by pouring money into the schools - "I'm still leading on education because people know I put a record investment last time" - and his solution to education is to pour more money in - raise teacher pay, for example. Something about finding one's self in a hole and keeping on digging...
Also, the talk about raising teacher's pay - is he suggesting that the current crop of teachers is inferior, and raising pay will bring in better candidates? The current teachers are unmotivated at the pay they are receiving but if they got more, they would do better? There aren't enough people applying and raising pay might fill open teaching slots? Everyone just assumes that raising teachers' pay somehow magically improves education, but no one spells out how this would be expected to occur.
Finally, usual left-wing drivel about how not making something mandatory gets conflated (deliberately) with an outright ban. Youngkin's plan would not ban Morrisson's book, but it might remove teh staet compulsion to read it. His plan would not ban teachers from getting vaccinated, it would just remove the state compulsion that they do so.
I will write it. Morrison is a crappy novelist.
LLR - "If some parent doesn't what her child reading Toni Morrison, or Mark Twain, or D.H. Lawrence, then don't let your kid check it out of the library. But don't tell the library what to put on the shelves."
The point isn't that the book is available in the library, it is that it was required reading.
Chris Rufo is the must-read for explaining how CRT is deployed in schools. A rose by any other name, Mike Sylvester.
I’ve read Beloved several times and helped teach it in seminars on Southern Women’s fiction. I can see how it could be used lazily to deliver CRT messaging, which is any pedagogy imposing trans-historical guilt and raw race hatred of whites.
But doing that wouldn’t do justice to the book; it is a (very good) modernist rip-off of Faulkner, but a powerful one. I was impressed with the plot, but it’s not for most high school readers. It’s one of those books that almost require good context to explain it. It needs to be read in seminar classes about black and white southern female writers to understand its value, I think. Or in conjunction with Faulkner. Work for grad students, not high schoolers. I almost never say this, but skim the Cliff Notes first.
Lamb in His Bosom would be a great read for high schoolers. It’s a bit gory, but so was life on the frontier — in this case, central Georgia. Not a plantation. Panthers were terrible animals. Childbirth is messy. The men are gone for weeks to deliver the crops. It’s a great read and a good lesson that life then was unthinkably hard for virtually everyone, but especially those giving birth around panthers. Civilization is a great thing. So is dentistry and air conditioning.
@tim Maguire
The VA ressults will be exactly the same as CA as long as VA sent out mail in ballots to anyone who ever lived in the state, which is what happened in CA. The election was over after that.
McAuliffe waited until the final day of the campaign to go Full Pro-CRT LLR Chuck by claiming there were too many white teachers in VA and clearly demanding quotas for minority hiring.
No wonder LLR Chuck supports McAuliffe so passionately. And I thought it was just because McAuliffe was a corrupt Clintonite like all the others LLR Chuck admires and supports.
lost me at Chuck Todd
Pro-marxist pro-CRT Biden voter LLR Chuck: "I'm really surprised, Mrs. Bloggress, that you have seemingly fallen in with this crap about "it sounds like Critical Race Theory even if it isn't exactly Critical Race Theory."
Ah, the inevitable backlash from our resident creepy "Eddie Haskell"-type suckup LLR Chuck when Althouse doesn't pat him on the head quite often enough.
I can only imagine what LLR Chuck's therapy sessions will be like this week.............
The infrequent Althouse visitor can be forgiven if they mistake LLR Chuck's postings for transcripts of Joy Reid's MSNBC Lunacy-fests.
Althouse: "It was regarded as a great work of art. And no one dares to say it's not."
No different than how LLR's responded to Hunter Biden's "art".
On the Virginia Department of Education website, several examples of the department promoting Critical Race Theory can be found, including a presentation from 2015, when Terry McAullife was governor, that encourages teachers to "embrace Critical Race Theory" in "order to re-engineer attitudes and belief systems."
Roger "Verbal" Kint: "The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."
Tina Trent @2:15 -- best read on this I have seen, anywhere. Thanks!
The teenager who complained about Beloved was a senior in AP English. I imagine he could've taken it.
Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...
are any of us surprised that Chuck in on team McClinton?
11/1/21, 1:32 PM
Nope. Just surprised he thinks any of us cares about what he thinks at all. We can forecast it before he comments.
Accusing Republicans of racial dog whistling Dixie is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500.
My rule of thumb (and that of an increasing number of people) is to assume the speaker who screams "racism" has no cogent argument.
"A parent should have input into their child's education, despite what the loons think."
No, parents are too stupid to have input; they were educated in public schools.
"McAuliffe describes the issue so falsely, because he needs at least 95% of the Black vote."
No, McAufliffe describes the issue so falsely because he's a fucking corrupt liar.
Only one chld went to Gonzaga, a Catholic school at $25k/year. Three went to Potomac School at $50k a year. His wife is a trusteee.
A 6 year old came home and told her mom she was a bad person for being white.
Chuck says - that little girl is lying.
Accusing Republicans of racial dog whistling Dixie is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500.
Idiotic?
2:11 tommyesq
thank you.
I think she deliberately made it hard to get at, and that paid off.
Obtuse pays?? I think it's more that everyone WANTS to see something of value. It's like an Obama speech.
One kid went to Gonzaga High (private, Catholic).
Three went to The Potomac School (private, secular, ritzy, expensive).
And the last, unloved one is going to public school.
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I was trying to think of who McAuliffe reminded me of.
Then it hit me.
The late Ron Popeil, maybe?
I look at Terry and think, "Would anybody really buy a Veg-O-Matic or a Pocket Fisherman from this guy?"
I think we must have had this discussion about Morrison before. I didn't really see anything in her work and found it murky and hard to fathom, but I wonder -- would I have said the same thing about William Faulkner if I'd been around when he was writing?
I was thinking Democrats had the steal in place so there would be no give a fucks from Terry. Based on his gotta do something attitude they must believe they are losing outside the margin of fraud…
Interesting that McAuliffe felt it beneficial to AGAIN drag out the same lie he's been flogging at every opportunity -- a lie so flagrant even the WAPO openly called it a lie (4 Pinnochios!): his beloved assertion that there are 1100+ children currently hospitalized with COVID in Virginia, when the state's own undisputed figures show the number is actually 35. And notice that Todd didn't even react with a blink, much less actually call him on his lie. This has now been made public at least 4 times (each time McAuliffe tried it on before) so Todd has no excuse for not knowing it's a flagrant lie. Actually, by allowing it to pass by unquestioned, he's endorsing the lie and giving it a Media Stamp of Approval. Which should tell you all you need to know about the media generally and Todd specifically.
There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding or miscommunication surrounding CRT and BLM. If "systemic racism" has any meaning or political import, it's an indictment of people like McAuliffe, rich and privileged White people who want to hold on to their advantages and pass them on to their children. But for the McAuliffes of the world, the "systemic racists" are to be found in Arkansas or West Virginia or among people who tweet racially insensitive things. That makes no sense, but it allows Terry and company to remain in power under the pretext that they are fighting racism.
Or are they really misinterpreting CRT and BLM? Maybe the whole point of the movement is to appeal to rich White people and redirect some of the swag into the pockets of the movement's leaders, in which case McAuliffe and his friends have gotten the intended message.
LLR - "If some parent doesn't what her child reading Toni Morrison, or Mark Twain, or D.H. Lawrence, then don't let your kid check it out of the library. But don't tell the library what to put on the shelves."
Tommyesq: "The point isn't that the book is available in the library, it is that it was required reading."
LLR Chuck knows that, which is why he is lying about it.
Again.
To serve the narrative needs of McAuliffe. Again.
As Chuck does for all democraticals.
Again and again.
Dog bites man.
The real story will be the first time a Democrat doesn't use racial fearmongering as a central part of his campaign.
Cameras in classroom. Trained on teachers.
Frequently changed password protect access to files by parents.
Nothing to hide, right?
McAuliffe is a dead turkey.
Chuck,
Sorry I’m late to the party.
That Michelle Goldberg NYT article was flat out inaccurate and she had to know that.
This was discussed at some length last wk.
The talk about raising teacher's pay is primarily to get the teachers' votes and only incidentally for (some)parents, the ones who think more money is always good without worrying about the details.
Saying that a particular book should not be mandated for kids of a certain age is NOT banning it.
As usual, a progressive plays fast and loose with words and their meanings, in order to fool the audience.
Lurker21 said...
I think we must have had this discussion about Morrison before. I didn't really see anything in her work and found it murky and hard to fathom, but I wonder -- would I have said the same thing about William Faulkner if I'd been around when he was writing?
1: When Faulkner was writing the Left wasn't busy driving Mark Twain out of public schools and libraries because he's too controversial.
2: If there are high school classes throwing The Sound and the Fury at students in a class not mainly devoted to Faulkner stories, the teachers are incompetent.
Big difference between "I need AP credits, so I'll take English AP. What is this race hatred beastiality crap?" and "I'm going to take this class on Faulkner. What's this slavery, rape, incest, necrophilia and suicide crap?" Well, son, that's Faulkner. If you don't want to read about that, you don't want to read Faulkner.
A related problem is that Black students might study more if the curriculum included more readings related to Black history, Black literature, etc.
So, then, we shoudl expect white, Asian, and Hispanic students to study less in that case?
Since that is the underlying message: it's right and proper for you to only be interested in people who have the same skin color that you have.
Personally, I think that racist message is pretty shitty. But it does seem to be the way the lefties are going
He's ending his campaign on a racist dog whistle...
Whereas McAuliffe's racism about getting rid of white teachers is clear and unambiguous.
BoatSchool: "Chuck,
Sorry I’m late to the party.
That Michelle Goldberg NYT article was flat out inaccurate and she had to know that.
This was discussed at some length last wk."
Like all leftists, LLR Chuck routinely recycles previously debunked lies.
Just a few days ago LLR Chuck was recycling russia collusion hoax, the charlottesville-nazi's are "fine people" hoax, and this very day he is presenting both Hillary and Al Gore as the very model of how to behave in the aftermath of the election.....just days after even more info has emerged re: how Hillary weaponized her collusion lies and deep state pals to turn the government against a duly elected President and AlGore's team tried to get the Supreme Court to overturn the constitutional requirement that State Legislatures control how state elections for Federal Office are conducted vs what Algore and the dems wanted: State democratical judiciary to take over.
He who hears the dog whistle must be the dog.
Thanks, Michelle. I think literature classes should be for exposing students to books they might not (these days wouldn’t) read on their own and for exposing them to the strange and uncanny march of history. Presentism is just narcissism.
Some modern books escape presentism, especially serious science fiction, but literature classes are likely the one time in your life you’re going to read George Eliot or Wharton or Shakespeare or Proust or Faulkner or Chaucer, and that should be the point. Some of it ought to be hard.
But Austen and the Brontes are accessible. London, Kipling, Dickens, Twain. Students used to spend years immersed in the classics (few of these were considered real classics, actually). We used to think and talk this way not so long ago. We have lost so much. I once asked a (required) freshman college class to name their favorite book. Crichton and Grisham and Stephen King were mentioned, but not one classic novel, and more students said they either hadn’t ever read a full book or they had no favorite author because they didn’t read much. What were they teaching in AP classes? This was at a now 50K per year, pretty highly ranked research university. The loss of literacy started decades ago, because of computers in classrooms and radicals in the faculty lounges. Politics filled the pustule of the internet. Computers, then illiteracy, revolution, ignorance, and now utter social destruction. It makes me think the Western canon was far more necessary than any of us knew, even those of us who loved it. Something human is missing.
A sore and maybe not very bright loser speaks.
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