You’ve gotta read @JoyAnnReid’s brilliant take on the politics of the space-time continuum. Spoiler Alert: The future will win.https://t.co/IORjWfFUhf
— Laurence Tribe (@tribelaw) March 4, 2018
March 4, 2018
Forgetting how evil it can be to envision your power enlarged by the growing and shrinking of various population groups.
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"...loot... the palace..."
1) projection
2) what the USA was designed not to have
The extremist mullahs preach essentially the same message about believers and infidels every Jum'ah.
We boomers are going to destroy the young using Social Security and Medicare.
Death Panels? Just try it.
Does this all come from the steel and aluminum tariffs announcement? The loony left is strong. It will have minimal affect (fortunately or unfortunately). It will have a moderate strengthening of the US metals industry, but when China has a glut of steel capacity, and 10 times the manufacture than the US and pretty much is most of the world capacity, to coin a phrase it doesn’t amount to a hill of beans.
Further, there’s already a several hundred percent tariff, negotiated under Obama, on certain steels. Also, China routed their steel through Vietnam in an attempt to bypass those tariffs. China is not trading in good faith.
Economic pundits are basically idiots. They can’t do math, don’t understand how people actually work - because people are unpredictable to a greater extent - and refuse to acknowledge basic and predictable behavior patterns.
The communists in the old Soviet Union said the same thing about capitalism and the west.
the space-time continuum
"Thanks to the space-time continuum, people from different centuries cannot live simultaneously."
That, plus "Trump is bad", is what passes for "a brilliant take".
"...loot... the palace..."
Doesn't everybody?
The Nazis had unshakable faith in the science of eugenics and helping evolution to speed up the triumph of the master race.
"The communists in the old Soviet Union said the same thing about capitalism and the west."
I'd say it's too early to tell on that one, Bob.
"Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." – Neils Bohr
Reid writes: "In every way, Donald Trump is a president built for the past; a benighted, late 19th Century figure who spun his supporters a tale that he could restore a bygone era when coal fires burned, factories hummed, steel mills belched out soot and opportunity and a (white) man with a sturdy back, a high school diploma and a song in his heart could buy a little house, marry a little wife and have 3 cherry-cheeked kids he didn’t ever have to cook or clean for, plus if he can afford it, a hot mistress on the side. "
In other words .....the good old days!
Bad readings are a thing on the left.
Tribe is not a credible witness to anything though I'm glad he found something to read that made him feel better for a brief moment.
The Left does talk a lot about racial/demographic triumph. It’s become socially acceptable, even expected, to express outright disdain for white males. It’s craziness.
The darling of Tribe’s mind has been an interesting thing to behold. I’m mostly embarrassed for him, but also amused. He’s totally unglued.
* warping, not darling
Going backward, to a world without ambiguity on race, gender and work is a powerfully attractive idea.
That would be a good thesis for an article. Maybe someone will write it some day.
Maybe that person will be smart enough to also write, "Going forward, to a world without ambiguity on race, gender and work is a powerfully attractive idea." No one lovingly embraces ambiguity, aside from a few existentialists and the quieter kind of Buddhists. It would be interesting for someone to analyze the kind of disambiguity that drives Trump haters.
Instead we have yet another waxy slab of insult suet. The peckers like it.
"The Left does talk a lot about racial/demographic triumph"
Reid exemplifies it; she's part of an immigrant invasion, she's here, and she wants to take my stuff. And I should be happy about this, why?
I imagine that the people in Rome felt the same way as they were running the world as they knew it. And only in hindsight did we realize that they were in decline. The ironically named Antifa and progressives can't see that perhaps they are the fascists and they are the bitter clingers.
Planet of the Apes already forecasted this.
Try playing the victim card on a poor oppressed monkey.
The Apes take over, and then they rule the world from tree-houses and mud huts.
The only technology to be used is what is still working that was left over from the previous civilization.
Tribal conflicts ensue amongst the apes.
Divisons between the chimpanzees, orangutans and gorillas.
Chest-thumping abounds.
The Germans have a word for this.
Here's a population group:
"'March is national stop blaming white people month! Accept responsibility for your own bad choices. Hug a white person!'
...
The sign is similar to messages in memes that have been posted online over the past several years."
The black author who laughably misused the term "space-time continuum" sounded more sciencey 'n' shit than the black author who misused the term "meme".
"Donald Trump is a president built for the past; a benighted, late 19th Century figure who spun his supporters a tale that he could restore a bygone era when coal fires burned, factories hummed, steel mills belched out soot and opportunity and a (white) man with a sturdy back, a high school diploma ..."
I am shocked, just shocked. It took five (5) paragraphs for black journ-o-list to bring race into an article about Trump. Usually takes no longer than two (2).
Trump is better off having his opponents to believe all that, every word of it.
"Forgetting how evil it can be to envision your power enlarged by the growing and shrinking of various population groups." That is known as the tyranny of democracy
Spoiler Alert: The future will win.
I just pictured Tribe breaking into a rousing chorus of href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Mg6Gfh9Co">Tomorrow Belongs to Me.
I rather enjoy the juxtaposition of the posts here. Trump likes chaos, Ms. Reid remains oblivious.
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The space-time claptrap is ambiguous is it not? What Ms. Reid meant to write was this:
Thanks to death, people from different centuries cannot live simultaneously.
When death is the fulcrum for your lever, it is no surprise you prefer ambiguity.
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At least she didn't pull in Heisenberg's uncertainty principle or Schrödinger's cat, the poor thing.
The ability to predict the future of mankind is indistinguishable from the power to direct the future of mankind. That's why progessivism is about power, not "progress."
From the article: "Does anyone really believe they (the millenials) will somehow morph en-masse into NRA-obedient, Fox News-zombie, anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-immigrant, maniacal healthcare destroyers who’ll vote for serial sexual predators?
That nearly covers the lefties's grievances in one sentence.
Speaking of the space-time continuum, where does notorious serial sexual predator Bill Clinton fit it?
Spoiler Alert: The future will win.
I just pictured Tribe breaking into a rousing chorus of href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Mg6Gfh9Co">Tomorrow Belongs to Me.
I've seen a lot of commentary lately from Harvard profs these days, Larry Lessig, Ron Suskind, and Tribe: they all seem to have lost their minds. So Trump has done a great service in this regard!
There exists in the Left, an idea about sophistication that Trump has insulted. Whether he succeeds in rupturing it and the sophisticates have to reformulate themselves, remains to be seen.
From all that I've seen the most backward and regressive people are progressives.
Want 15 minutes of bemusement?
Spend a little time reading through Professor Laurence Tribe's Twitter feed during the Trump Era.
This Harvard Professor was once the preeminent Constitutional scholar in America.
And he is completely unhinged. He reminds me of Chief Inspector Dreyfus from the "Pink Panther" movies slowly going insane over Peter Sellers' hilarious Inspector Jacques Clouseau.
Model: [My husband] should be here with me, god damn it. My life is just so unfair. My parents were burned by narcos when I was three.
Kidnapper: As a child alone in the streets amidst the abuse, the drugs and beatings, I had one friend, my dog. One day I got so hungry, I... Ate my dog.
Model: Okay, you win.
Gun Shy (2017)
So the woman who views individuals as exemplars of their race is leading us into a progressive future?
A newer entry from Tribe's Twitter:
"I have this crazy idea that no part of America is too red to be within the reach of reason — and that all but the 20-30% hardest core of #TrumpRussia is persuadable that their future is fuc**d if #Trumputin gets to run our elections and ruin our country..."
#TrumpRussia
#Trumputin
Sure.
A white member of the elite thinking the Revolution will not only spare him, but put him at the head of the table where he believes he belongs.
Which is pretty racist.
#WhiteHarvardSavior
#MinoritiesNeedMeToLead
Oh -- and:
#HarvardNeedsWhiteTuition
The Germans have a word for this.
I for one am very glad to see that people like Tribe and Reid are so stupidly transparent in their projections, and so confident in parading their naked resentment and bigotry. Not so long ago more intelligent haters were a bit more Machiavellian and long-sighted about how they went about attacking Whitey McMale. Now, they're unintelligent (or senile) enough, and en-bubbled enough, to let it all hang out.
Moar, moar, moar of this please. You're right, guys, the Progressive Millenium is coming, there's no escaping it! You're home free, dance naked in the street, and be as obnoxious as you can to your enemies as they head toward their ineluctable appointment with the ash heap of history! (The more naïve among the attackees have a hard time understanding the more subtle stuff.)
(As is typical, the people leaving laudatory comments at the link sound like they've been isolated in a cult compound somewhere and fed a very low-protein diet for a long time.)
"Does anyone really believe they (the millenials) will somehow morph en-masse into NRA-obedient, Fox News-zombie, anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-immigrant, maniacal healthcare destroyers who’ll vote for serial sexual predators?"
That's a couple of Straw Demographics right there.
Poor Tribe and Reid. They forget that the young become old, gaining in the process experience (which often, Tribe to the contrary notwithstanding, becomes wisdom).
Contemplate the life history of our hostess: an intelligent, critically-minded woman with a strong aesthetic sense who, among other things, raised two sons and became a successful law professor at a great university after starting out as a free-spirited art student. Is there any chance that Althouse thinks today much that she thought at the age of 28? Is she unique in that? And if you have the added experience of having to meet a payroll, you really think about the world in a new way.
Nah, this tweet and the article are chum for the chumps. In the future, most of us grow up. The future belongs to adults. Tribe and his followers are children.
"The late Professor Irving Janis analysed what happens
when people get caught up in what he termed ‘groupthink’, a pattern of collective
psychological behaviour with three distinctive features, that we can characterise as
rules.
• A group of people come to share a particular view or belief without a proper
appraisal of the evidence.
• This leads them to insist that their belief is shared by a ‘consensus’ of all rightminded
opinion.
• Because their belief is ultimately only subjective, resting on shaky foundations,
they then defend it only by displaying an irrational, dismissive hostility towards
anyone daring to question it." - Christopher Booker
Over time the Right can't win -- unless of course the Left's affinity for racial-identity politics encourages whites to vote like blacks in monolithic blocs.
"In other words .....the good old days! "
For progressives it's never the good times. Some of us wingnuts are indeed living the good old days now. It has a lot to do with not being distracted by seething hate, and unrelenting fear of the boogie man.
"Does anyone really believe they (the millenials) will somehow morph en-masse into NRA-obedient, Fox News-zombie, anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-immigrant, maniacal healthcare destroyers who’ll vote for serial sexual predators?"
People are stupid enough to embrace socialism, after Castro, after pol pot, after Mao, after Stalin and Trotsky, after Ceaucescu, after Honecker, after Cahvez & Madero, are crazy enough to morph into anything.
Lincoln was pro-tariff.
" . . . unless of course the Left's affinity for racial-identity politics encourages whites to vote like blacks in monolithic blocs."
You don't need anything like a monolithic block. In 2016 Trump won when whites went Trump over Hillary 58% to 37%.
Friends of Tribe should stage an intervention. A once-respected scholar has turned into a bitter old man on twitter. "You conservatives get off my lawn."
One should compare the Twitter feeds of 2 Harvard Professors: Dershowitz & Tribe
Both men voted for Hillary. But one man sticks to his principles about due process and the rule of law, while the other descends into madness.
Oh, and weekend MSNBC anchor Joy Ann Reid, sorry, you're not that bright or influential.
It is possible to make a serious argument that the triumph of what we call the Left is inevitable, that the only choice we have in an advanced democracy is tyranny quickly or tyranny slowly. It was done admirably in The Republic, for example. So, ignore the ad hominem crap and the transparent attempt to gain undeserved trust by deploying big, sciencey-sounding words, and Joy Ann Reid is a Twitter-age Plato.
That said, "The future is ours!" is pretty much what you proclaim when the troops are in dire need of rallying and you've got nothing else.
"We have trained them to think of the future as a promised land which favoured heroes attain-- not as something which everyone reaches at the rate of sixty minutes an hour, whatever he does, whoever he is." -- Screwtape
Joy Reid is a moron.
Joy Ann Reid and the word "brilliant" don't belong in the same sentence.
So what they're saying is "Tomorrow belongs to me."
That sentiment is hardly original:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN7r0Rr1Qyc
Writer. Pastor. Activist. Author of 'A Bigger Table.' Committed to equality, diversity, and compassion, love, and justice and thinks teenagers can provide useful socio-political analysis so apparently therefore quoted by Harvard Constitutional Scholar(!) says:
"Imagine the beautiful, life-giving things we could all be doing if we didn't have to work tirelessly to protect ourselves from this President and his Administration."
Like making beautiful, life-giving posts on twitter.
I've always found Tribe's theory of constitutional interpretation strange and incoherent. But the fact that Tribe finds Joy Ann Reid's bizarre ramblings "brilliant" explains it all.
"In every way, Donald Trump is a president built for the past; a benighted, late 19th Century figure who spun his supporters a tale that he could restore a bygone era when coal fires burned, factories hummed, steel mills belched out soot and opportunity and a (white) man with a sturdy back, a high school diploma and a song in his heart could buy a little house, marry a little wife and have 3 cherry-cheeked kids he didn’t ever have to cook or clean for, plus if he can afford it, a hot mistress on the side."
Such an attractive picture to anyone with at least a modest appreciation of tradition.
It just doesn't bear much resemblance to the life that my grandparents and great-grandparents lived, which was an attempt to prosper by getting off the farm and into commerce while living through the panic of 1893, WWI, the crash of 1920-21, the Great Depression, WWII, the Korean War, and the Cold War, while dealing with life without any of the medical advances that have come to us since 1945. In 1945, antibiotics were just becoming available to the public. Diabetes was treatable with NPH. Tuberculosis, the scourge of the 19th century, finally was no longer a death sentence after a long, debilitating illness. Open-heart surgery became routine.
Tribe and Reid are idiots. What Trump proposes is at heart an economically dynamic, commercially-oriented America that offers opportunity through economic growth. The idea is for the pie to become bigger. Whether his policies will work remains to be seen.
destroyers who’ll vote for serial sexual predators?"
Well they did choke on Clinton.
You don't need anything like a monolithic block.
Over time you will.
One of my favorite quotes about the future, from Essays in Idleness:
If you assume that everything you anticipate will go awry, you find that in fact some things don’t, which makes it all the more difficult to plan.
As we saw with Trump's offer on DACA, the left could be made to switch sides on policy and even outcomes, abandoning their constituencies if Trump simply sides with them. Their reaction to Trump is locked in at the emotional level, unmoved by what he actually does. They are a lost cause, which is helpful to Trump and the right, since the left can now be ignored as a variable that is now a constant.
Professor Tribe: "Spoiler Alert: The future will win."
You are correct, Sir. And it will be an exciting, glorious future filled with challenge and merriment, one with a powerful Executive Branch without Hillary Clinton as its head, and a Supreme Court, without you on the Bench.
We are very grateful to be Americans and optimistic about what lies ahead.
I reject Reid's premise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BRv9wGf5pk
Of course, Tribe and Reid are crazy. Like all progs, they think the arc of history bends their way. Of course, they despise the deplorables. Only the day before yesterday, the 50s were a Golden Age--strong unions, high wages, less equality. Now, they have to make Trump a "19th century" figure.
But a reckoning is coming in the short run. Enough suburban white women will turn away from Trump to boost the blue wave. At which point benighted whites will be praised for their enlightenment.
In the long run, American parties shift and slide. The GOP just managed a big shift with Trump. It isn't what it was just ten years ago. It will shift again.
When Leftists depressively curl up with a hot cup of tea, they reassure themselves that all those evil working-class white people will be dead soon, and the Radiant Future will then inevitably triumph.
They didn't notice that a third of Hispanic males voted for Trump - given the way the economy is going, I bet that number is significantly higher now. Asians, who are viciously discriminated against by liberal places like Lawrence Tribe's Harvard, might also be moving off of the Liberal Plantation.
The future may not be as predictable as Larry imagines.
Conservatives never get tired of liberals telling them what their hopes and dreams are.
The usual poli-sci explanation of the difference between socialists and fascists is that socialists put their faith in a utopian future while fascists put their faith in an atavistic past.
But this does not mean that fascists worship the past the way that socialists worship the future. Because the core of fascism is a nation or volk, you have to emphasize the common origin of the nation or volk. Fascists do not desire to turn back the clock. Hitler hated the German aristocracy and distrusted the army. He could have put the Kaiser back in charge, if he had wanted to do so. Fascism is as modern a phenomenon as international socialism. Fascists look to a utopian future as much as the socialists do.
I am an American conservative. I don't believe in utopia at all.
These people are not aware, it seems, that reality has a vote. A big vote.
South Africa is about to test the theory that you can get rid of white people and live happily ever after.
You would think that the rest of Africa would suggest that reality does not lie that direction but it seems some people have to learn lessons more than once.
Venezuela showed that the left has a reality problem.
Senator McGovern, late in life, decided to run a bed and breakfast. He discovered that the left does not represent reality but it was too late for his supporters.
In retrospect, I wish I had known more about the hazards and difficulties of such a business, especially during a recession of the kind that hit New England just as I was acquiring the inn's 43-year leasehold. I also wish that during the years I was in public office, I had had this firsthand experience about the difficulties business people face every day. That knowledge would have made me a better U.S. senator and a more understanding presidential contender.
You don't need anything like a monolithic block. In 2016 Trump won when whites went Trump over Hillary 58% to 37%.
And if you can pull off a couple of percentage points from blacks and Hispanics, which Trump manages, then you can't lose. Reid's argument is just a rehash of "The Emerging Democratic Majority." Taking it as holy writ is why Hillary is not our president.. At this point, its whistling past the graveyard. It assumes that the GOP doesn't change any of its positions and that no group in the Democrat coalition could be enticed to abandon it. But Trump is changing that. I remember before the election when Chuck tried to use "union" as a scare word that would signal all us Republicans back into the chicken coop. Well it seems that while the leadership in the unions don't think much of Trump, the guys working in the factories and soon to be reopened steel and aluminum mills do.
Only the day before yesterday, the 50s were a Golden Age--strong unions, high wages, less equality.
On further consideration, they've decided the only thing they like about the 1950s is the Red Scare.
This wasted minutes of my life, what was the point of the posting?
Hetero white men are always being asked to review their sins and excesses and to change. And we do. That's why we have so much moral grandeur. It's a habit someone like Joy Reid could take up to profitable advantage. Why did the people of Rwanda suddenly pick up garden instruments and start chopping up their neighbors into little pieces with them? My theory is that this was because people like Joy could not moderate their hatred of people they had a grudge against and instead luxuriated in that hatred. Can anyone name a prominent black who has been criticized by other blacks for showing excessive hostility to whites?
"the guys working in the factories and soon to be reopened steel and aluminum mills do."
Both steel and aluminum workers are in the Steelworkers Union. I wonder if this is a deliberate attempt by Trump to peel off a few labor unions (as Reagan did) - it will definitely weaken the AFL-CIO as an anti-Trump front if some of its largest members are supporting Trump.
Kevin Williamson said ....
steel tariffs are a poor way to fight Chinese mercantilism: Our main overseas provider of steel is Canada. No. 3 is Mexico. Our NAFTA neighbors account for a quarter of our steel imports.
China is not in the top ten.
I’m no expert on daft neo-mercantilism, but I’d think that the best way to target Chinese imports would be to target imports that come from China.
Sad!
If you suck from the cock of Socialism, you're not going to like what comes next.
"Well it seems that while the leadership in the unions don't think much of Trump, the guys working in the factories and soon to be reopened steel and aluminum mills do."
Democrats are against independent trade unions. Democrats want trade unions that follow whatever guidelines re: seniority, equal opportunity, minority & gender guidelines the government dictates to them. Union members don't run the union, people like Tribe & Reid do.
Haha... Joy Reid. She's like the Boss Tweed of Twitter. She'll say whatever it takes.
Fern quoting Tribe rt-eeing some git: "Imagine the beautiful, life-giving things we could all be doing if we didn't have to work tirelessly to protect ourselves from this President and his Administration."
Lol. What has Trump been doing to this poor man? Apparently, *giving him a reason for living*, regardless of how delusion-based that reason is.
The never-ending drama-queening (their exhaustion, their despair) among Trump-haters about things that aren't there sure looks indicative of an underlying existential void to me. If politics is the master of your soul, you took a wrong turn somewhere in your life. Eight years of the Light Bringer and still so empty, Mr. Pastor-Activist? Rejoice, Satan himself has appeared to give your life form and purpose. Commiserating on twitter with fellow willfully ignorant navel-gazers is meaning and purpose, right?
In other examples of Trump filling existential voids and aggravating personality disorders in his enemies:
I've seen that Max Boot and his fellow #NeverTrumpers have taken to comparing themselves to Vaclav Havel and other anti-Soviet dissidents.
It's like they're all competing for the "Greatest Lack of Self-Insight" Oscar.
Too crazy, didn't read.
Does she account for the fact that the Left is busy not reproducing itself?
BCABM said...
Kevin Williamson said ....
Lol.
"strong unions, high wages, less equality."
Less INequality.
Not that is matters. Precedent, like argument, is just a tool to be used as needed. See Tribe, Larry.
Can anyone name a prominent Leftwing black who has been criticized by other blacks about anything?
Wait, don't people of color ALSO like manufacturing and skilled labor jobs that pay a decent wage and enable a person to buy a house and raise a family? Take a look, for instance, at the workforce in an American automobile plant--not a sea of white by any means. Maybe the average normal person wants pretty much the same thing regardless of racial/ethnic background.
Both steel and aluminum workers are in the Steelworkers Union. I wonder if this is a deliberate attempt by Trump to peel off a few labor unions (as Reagan did) - it will definitely weaken the AFL-CIO as an anti-Trump front if some of its largest members are supporting Trump.
That was my first thought when I heard about it. Even if it doesn't move the leadership, the actual guys on the floor know why they have the jobs. And so do their wives and other relatives. And the guy who owns the diner a block or two from the factory. And the waitresses and cooks who work their. And their wives and husbands and relatives. And I guarantee, a lecture about The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act is going to have zero influence on them.
I remember when Williamson wrote about Trump announcing his candidacy. The column was titled "Witless Ape Rides Elevator."
So, good unbiased criticism of Trump ya' got there, ARM.
It occurs to me that most of the commentariat (is that a word) that pen screeds for the digital fish wrappers have zero insight into what people who do actual physical labor to put food on their family's table think and how they act. Unlike a guy who was raised up in the building industry. It is a puzzlement since they are so obviously brilliant. Just ask them.
The difference between Joy Ann Reid and Plato is that she really believes her ideal state is a good thing. Plato was too sophisticated a thinker to believe such nonsense. What he was saying in his description of the "perfect state" is this: "All right all you progressive thinkers, if your political ideas are actually put into place, this is what your "perfect state" will look like. He was sounding an alarm for future generations.
"It is a puzzlement since they are so obviously brilliant. Just ask them."
I remember a year or two ago when a "New Age Social Media Specialist"-type snowflake had a meltdown on Facebook, because the Waffle House was advertising for management trainees, and she discovered that the manager of a Waffle House was paid much better than she was.
It is truly unfair when an uneducated peasant gets paid more than a college graduate in women's studies/communications, who knows all about intersectionality and microagressions.
"While Trump and his cabinet loot the palace,.."
Those damned peasants are in the palace again?
Ah, I just saw that Ignorance is Bliss got there before me.
The difference is that the Nazi thugs operated with Teutonic efficiency and glorified militarism. And then you have antifa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDzgitjfwps
Loot the palace?
Why not Rock the Casbah instead....
I always loved that Clash song!
I’d think that the best way to target Chinese imports would be to target imports that come from China.
Sad!
It's amusing to see statements by someone who shows that he is clueless about the issue.
China is using Mexico and Canada as cut outs to avoid the appearance of dumping steel.
Trump said he would renegotiate NAFTA.
It shouldn't be too tough to figure out the connection but then you would have to give up leftist logic.
A message in a meme said that women and minorities are most affected by the space-time continuum.
The incompetence of Trump opponents is writ large.
There is a lot of assuming going on here, that Tribe and co. are unrealistic. Or unrepresentative. Or imprudent.
They are just no longer being coy. This is, rather, what they have always thought, and they think they have sufficient power, as they control most US institutions, to let the masks drop. Trump precipitated this as he has blown away a great deal of fog.
Your conflicts are now open, the contending interests firming up, the battle-lines organized.
@mtrobertslaw: I should have been more specific; I was talking about the part of Book VIII that describes how democracy produces tyranny.
@Gahrie: http://althouse.blogspot.com/2017/10/john-mcwhorter-goes-on-epic-tirade.html ?
Mr. Tribe, your side is aborting their next generation. So where is your population wave coming from?
Arc of history, space time continuum--it seems like a whole lot of folks are off their meds these days.
I mean it all sounds good--may even make you "sound" smart---Obama liked that arc of history meme. But sounding and being are two very different things when it comes to logic and smarts.
Just a quick question: If, as postulated, the Mediterranean based, Catholic dominated, patriarchal South American contingent of the Democratic party becomes the majority, why would they listen to a Larry Tribe instead of their own leaders and advocate things THEY want instead of what Liberal Post Modernists want?
Because the rule of law, peaceful transitions of power, and allowing egg heads to rule is just SO prevalent in South of us.
Mr. Tribe, meet Trotsky. And you are an idiot.
So this assumes that Millenials will never grow up and immigrants will never assimilate, as their forebears did. It's certainly possible, but that's not the way to bet.
"Mr. Tribe, your side is aborting their next generation. So where is your population wave coming from? "
That's why the Left demands complete control over the educational system - they don't need kids, if they can convert yours.
Loot the palace??? How... like the Clintons?
It is probably, and unfortunately, accurate that Trump provides no more than a hiatus in the ongoing collapse of the US. Under the tutelage of an education system and braying leftmedia characterized respectively by useful idiots like Tribe and Reid, millenials, adolescent girls (of all ages), coupled with the other usual suspects lack the intelligence, discernment and, frankly the moral standards necessary to preserve the union.
Dennis Prager addressed one of the the issues in a recent column. http://www.dennisprager.com/those-who-dont-fight-evil-fight-statues/. Although, Prager didn't go far enough. The statue-fighters of the left do not merely ignore evil. They ARE evil.
In an observation widely misattributed to de Tocqueville, British authors Andrew Reed and James Matheson wrote in 1836: "America will be great if America is good. If not, her greatness will vanish away like a morning cloud." Regardless of the misattributions, the view has been shared by many distinguished Americans. The takeaway, obviously, is that American greatness, despite Trump, is fading, not only because much of the country, in particular the leftmedia and the Hollywood sex cult, not only aren't good, they have embraced evil and mean-spiritedness.
"brilliant take" We can only see our own point of view, so we're bound to win as long as everyone else thinks that way too. Brilliant.
As for letting the "hispanic" mestizo plurality actually run things - no, thats not how it goes down in CA. They provide the votes, and the "activists", and are given, by preference, the functionary jobs; but they don't call the shots. They have no money.
Sort of like Mexico. Check out Forbes Mexico, "Los 10 personajes mas ricos ..." series. You can take any of them, even Carlos Slim the Lebanese, and pop them down in Madrid, Paris or Milan, and they would be taken for natives.
Same is true anywhere in Latin America, with rare exceptions.
So Mexico and Canada, which are effectively client states, we punish but we leave China untouched. This is stupidity on stilts, or cowardice.
The Future seldom turns out as planned.
"immigrants will never assimilate, as their forebears did"
Assimilation used to be strongly encouraged by many subtle, and not-so-subtle, nudges. Is that still true?
Unless we stop massive illegal and illegal immigration, or change its nature, the politics of California will be the politics of the USA in 10 or 15 years.
Its inevitable.
Tribe is Obama fanboy , they're authority on curvature of constitutional space.
This is follow up. Joy Reid will be next Ben Rhodes.
You cant' let in 20 million people every 10 ten years, who will vote 2-1 liberal Democrat and expect the Republicans to keep on winning.
They tried that in California. The Hispanics were "natural Conservatives" we were told.
Only they weren't.
Tribe and Soros had best not be counting their fascist Global World Governance Reich until after the real American vote comes in. The Dems rigged voting machine counts were eliminated in 2016, and they are not coming back in without the Traitors first replacing President Trump and the American's will to fight in defense of their Nation.
So Mexico and Canada, which are effectively client states, we punish but we leave China untouched. This is stupidity on stilts, or cowardice.
ARM, I like you but you have to get your head on straight.
Keep working on it.
Unless we stop massive illegal and illegal immigration, or change its nature, the politics of California will be the politics of the USA in 10 or 15 years.
California doesn't have that long.
In Identity Politics, people will group and vote their race eventually. Up until the 2016 election, Democrats were able to build a multi-ethnic coalition, but this was always going to start to break down as whites eventually became only a smaller and smaller plurality within it. I think you saw the high point of that coalition a decade ago- it has been eroding ever since then.
Think about what happened in 2016 in the midwest- Democrats lost those states after having carried them for several presidential elections in a row, and they nearly lost Minnesota- the only state Reagan didn't carry in 1984. These processes are slow, though, and will play out over several decades. However, by 2040, I predicted that Republicans will receive 90%+ of the white vote, while the Democratic Party may well have split into two different parties of blacks and hispanics.
“So Mexico and Canada, which are effectively client states, we punish but we leave China untouched. This is stupidity on stilts, or cowardice.”
Um, think about this again, ARM. See if you can detect the glaringly obvious, gobsmackingly blatant, error in your reasoning. I’m embarrassed for you, Homes.
The new caste of Indo-Anglians will rescue Western Civilization
Just another piece of evidence that no sane white person should ever vote for a Democrat.
If you want to see the end game just look at wha is happening in South Africa.
Tribe thinks the alligators will eat him last.
Kapos always think that.
@Buwaya ... Can it be said of any Norte Americano ? About melding in as native?
I guess Jews will not replace us, after all.
Yes, in the cheerful future we will all be homosexual People of Color.
When you push people in a corner you will not like the result.
Trump is the mildest harbinger of what is to come if the elitists keep pushing.
It will not just be the white working class. It will include a significant amount of minorities. It will be class based.
It will not be pretty.
The normals vs the elite.
Larry the Cable Guy vs George Will.
I remember this Hippie Dippie Program from the 70's called 'Ark II'.
The episode I recall was that there was some warlord making the lives of his people miserable. The solution of the people was to just walk away from the guy making their lives miserable. Their village was a shithole already, so the only thing they were really losing was the asshole.
So what exactly will Maureen Dowd and Larry Tribe do when we no longer listen to him anymore?
THIS is a large part of the solution that you are seeing. We aren't listening to the Elites nearly as much because they are being vile, censorious and miserable people...and the people have guns so they can't use FORCE to MAKE them do what they wilt.
No wonder they hate gun rights.
Ann and her aging white tribe, whistling past the graveyard, featuring contemptible losers like this:
no sane white person should ever vote for a Democrat.
The elites and the minorities will bury you, because you're useless and you're stupid. Go ahead and bet on Larry the Cable Guy. In the meantime, get older and die. You'll be doing the country a favor.
Larry Tribe is a famous professor of constitutional law, and prior to his election Barack Hussein Obama lectured on constitutional law at Chicago.
No wonder you retired, Althouse. You were in some bad company.
The elites and the minorities will bury you, because you're useless and you're stupid. Go ahead and bet on Larry the Cable Guy. In the meantime, get older and die. You'll be doing the country a favor.
And you think you're going to win people over with rhetoric like that? Well, who knows? Perhaps you ought to keep it up and see whether you're right.
No Big Mike, you and your tribe are incorrigible and not worth winning over -- you're too small and too small-minded. You're losers on the wrong side of history. The elites try to persuade you that your passions are opposed to your interests, but you're more interested in wearing the T-shirt: I'm with Stupid ->
The elites and minorities will certainly keep it up. And the kids at Parkland will grow up to be voters, starting this year. And Ann will one day have to even give up her electric tricycle.
Wow, i knew Larry Tribe was going nuts, but I didn't realize he was so far gone as to write "JoyAnnReid" and "brilliant" in the same sentence.
You always "bet on the future". Only an idiot "bets" that (s)he owns "the future."
Oh, and John Pickering, assuming you're not a 1/2 smart righty troll pretending to be an idiot leftie, please keep on being an idiot leftie. It's such a refreshing throwback to teh 2012 & 2016 election commentary
Further for John Pickering: Do you think you could throw in your rendition of "Tomorrow Belongs to Me"? It always goes so well with these "we are the future!" claims.
Although, given your apparent emotional age, perhaps "The Sun will come out Tomorrow" would be a better fit in this case.
Oh, a hint from demographics: by definition "the elite" will not be winning any demographic battles.
And yes, the "Kids of Parkland" are going to become voters. And they're going to vote against the people who decided it was better for 17 people to be murdered at Parkland, and therefore Cruz wasn't prosecuted for any of his crimes leading up to those murders.
And they're going to vote against the Sheriff's Department who told all the armed deputies to stay outside, not go in and stop the killing.
In short, they're going to be voting against democrats.
Ignorance is Bliss, thank you for the link to Tomorrow Belongs to Me
I freely admit Ignorance is Bliss and exiledonmainstreet got there first, but I will say in my defense that I got there before reading their comments. : -)
Remember Tribe called Obama one of his most brilliant students--who never wrote a law article.
No wonder you retired, Althouse. You were in some bad company.
Is this a legal opinion from the guy who thinks fragging American soldiers is not such a bad thing to do?
"You're losers on the wrong side of history."
I think the first ones to say this were my Neanderthal ancestors.
Shorter John Pickering and Toothless.
Scratch a Prog, find a fascist.
"You're losers on the wrong side of history."
These guys must live in the shrinking coastal enclaves where the rump regional Democratic party still holds sway, so they suffer from the Pauline Kael effect.
@gregq, looks like a lot of us had the same thought.
Big Mike said...
@gregq, looks like a lot of us had the same thought.
Yeah, the sad thing is it's a pretty obvious thought, yet it never occurred to Reid, Tribe, or the leftie posters here.
Which says some sad things about their ability to think
”You’ve gotta read @JoyAnnReid’s brilliant take on the politics of the space-time continuum.”
So, Joy Reid is the new Melissa Perry?
John "Nose" Pickering, demonstrating in real time why:
"no sane white person should ever vote for a Democrat."
Thanks, Nose!
Compare and contrast Joy Reid's hymn of hate for white folks with Atlanta, the TV series, especially Episode 9. Juneteenth which you can get on Amazon Instant Video through the Althouse portal. And is Joy Reid representative of men in her own community? see Episode 7. BAN on the same show. Not that the show supports conservatives or Trump - but that there are other points of view in so-called left constituencies besides those which come from Harvard sociology. We know that the sudden appearance of the Trump vote was a huge surprise to pollsters and pundits. Why shouldn't we think that other huge surprises lurk out there in the Asian or Hispanic or black Christian community?
How will Asian teenagers respond to being excluded from top universities because of quotas? How will black Christians respond to the continual baiting of Mike Pence over his Christianity? Why are Democrats voting for military vets with a strong family orientation - vets the Democrats then expect to vote hard left? These things are being disregarded but so were the concerns of the Trump voters. And one thing everybody has seen - disregarded concerns can lift candidates above a crowded conventional field into the Presidency.
I think the first ones to say this were my Neanderthal ancestors.
If the brow ridge in your profile photo is a true likeness, surely we're related.
This ones for Chuck.
Another Trump Boast Turns Out Not To Be True
Is Tribe still peddling his crackpot physics?
There's the old saw about being liberal when young and conservative when old, and it has a wide range of applications. Leftists believe that if you have brown skin and a Latino surname you will vote Democrat and your progeny alike unto the tenth generation. Not so. People of Mexican heritage tend to have values much closer to the Republican ideals than the Democrat. They work hard and value family. I run into these people every day-- second- and third-generation descendants of illegals who are doing their best to get ahead and make good lives for their families. They are not particularly interested in the plight of the transgender beluga whales or any other liberal jihad. Give it twenty years, or even ten. Democrats will live to regret open borders.
The Cracker Emcee Classic said...
See if you can detect the glaringly obvious, gobsmackingly blatant, error in your reasoning. I’m embarrassed
So no actual, logical argument, just nonsense.
“Future proves past.”
-Q
Blogger John Pickering said...
"No Big Mike, you and your tribe are incorrigible and not worth winning over -- you're too small and too small-minded. You're losers on the wrong side of history."
And yet there sits Trump. In the oval office.
The New Soviet Man was the future for a while there, wherein millions died to make the future great, then there was the glory of the 1000 Year Reich for almost a decade, wherein millions died to make the future great, and a bit later The Great Leap Forward took hold in China, wherein millions died to make the future great, and along the way to the present we've had similar conflicts between those stubbornly stuck in the past and those trying to get to the future in the Congo, Rhodesia, Angola, Sudan, Algeria, Ethiopia, Biafra, Cuba, Chile, Argentina, Venezuela, Grenada, Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia, East Timor, and so on and so on, because for some damn reason those promoting the "future" of statist authoritarianism can't actually achieve anything except the deaths of those in opposition to their program to reach the future. To hell with them all.
These idiots lost more than a thousand state and federal seats positions during the reign of the Great Barack Hussein Obama.
And they still think Trump is the problem.
This piece of shit doesn't know any more about the future than any of the equally cloying "The Future Is Female" t-shirt wearing dipshits do.
If anything, judging by the look of things in the world nowadays, the future is Islamic, Chinese, highly balkanized/tribalized, and relentlessly authoritarian.
Some self-misdescribed "liberal" tiddlywinker on a college campus saying otherwise does not make it so.
From the Powerline blog in a post made by John Hinderaker, which references this thread:
I think Joy Reid has inadvertently made an important point. The crazed hatred of Donald Trump that we see on the left is based on a fantasy–a fantasy that liberals attribute to Trump and his supporters, but that in fact exists only on the left. In the minds of liberals.
Like all progs, they think the arc of history bends their way.
Progs, of course, try to make their predictions self-fulfilling, via the bandwagon-effect.
But this reminds me of a time some three decades back, when leftist activists were confidently forecasting that high-breeding-rate Arab Israelis would soon outnumber the Jews in Israel — and that it was demographically certain, so it was asserted. Then suddenly, almost out of the blue, nearly a million Soviet (and then it was ex-Soviet) Jews migrated to Israel — and the formerly “certain” demographics of the country were abruptly transformed.
Hm, I wonder if something analogous could happen to these “certain” demographic forecasts currently being applied to America’s future…. What about all those Europeans in Europe, for instance — or South Africa. Perhaps they too will need a safe “homeland” someday.
I just checked the replies to Tribe’s tweet. A large number of people agree that Tribe and Reid are brilliant.
What is wrong with those people?
I’m not much on spelling-policing, but one might note that the words millennium/millennials have been used five times thus far in this thread — and haven’t been spelled correctly once! There are two L’s and two N’s in each of those words, folks. MiLLeNNium. MiLLeNNial.
And yet there sits Trump. In the oval office.
Not to mention, the House, the Senate, 33 GOP governorships, and 32 Republican-controlled state legislatures.
The number of states it takes to convene a constitutional convention: 34.
So by all means, keep it up with the full-lefty retard-ism, let us get to 34 state GOP control and see what happens then.
Coal is still a dying industry and America will never again have an industrial revolution. It’s other countries’ turn to do that now.
Oh, a fortune teller. Google CEO Eric Schmidt tells us AI is going to destroy us in 10 - 20 years, Democrats tell us Robots are taking away all our jobs, and Joy-Ann Reid knows we will never manufacture stuff again. Maybe she ought to take a look to realize that US manufacturing output has doubled since 1975. A trend, which if it continues, will make the US stop manufacturing at all, and certainly a trend that cannot capitalize on automation technologies our competitors, like Foxconn is using.
I do love this:
"While we regress, the rest of the planet will go right on trading without us. Tariffs on other countries will invite tariffs on us (Europe is already considering levying them on everything from Levi’s to Kentucky bourbon to Harley Davidson motorcycles). "
They are going to trade with us, but they are not going to trade with us. Which is it? I would suppose given the US tremendous impbalance of trade, any trade war will hurt those dependent on US trade more. Could be wrong, but it seems that way.
"It’s the America that objects to Russian interference in our elections, that welcomes immigrants"
So Russian influence is bad. Other countries' influence is good. I suppose particularly if they are poor.
This kind of thinking seems a bit contradictory. But, it's OK, in fact good. Because nothing is worse than consistent thought, logic and reason. That, as we all know, makes no sense.
NOTE:
ARM has finally found a policy he wants to discuss. After only 14 months of the Trump Administration, he wants to avoid the inside baseball garbage that hasn't moved the needle. Amusing.
buwaya:
You are correct. Tribe and a majority of Leftist leaders have always felt this way. It is encouraging that more people have noticed and joined the fray. The field has too long been occupied by only one team.
Reid's article sounds like an older teenage girl screaming at her parents. Her parents warned her not to marry the clown she's been seeing. She insists, "We're not going to make the mistakes YOU made. WE are the future."
Of course, she'll run off and marry the clown and get pregnant before she knows it and the clown never seems to catch on to the idea of work. And she will have discovered Reality. Eventually, her child may scream the same things at her.
The pathologies of the minorities will be their undoing.
Their murdering and aborting will always keep then out of power for the long haul. That segment that apes the behavior of the normals will survive and flourish.
Urkel vs Trayvon.
Right now the Democrats have rich old ladies running things. Rich old white ladies. Pelosi. Hillary. Maybe Warren. Their base will devour them. Keith Ellison and the Castro brothers are the future of the Democratic Party.
A white person would be a fool to vote for the Democrats.
They want you to die.
Reid is also fixated on the fantasy that Trump's America is Older Whites vs "people of color".
Once the white population has shrunk to become just another minority group, Ms Reid may be dismayed to find out just how much disdain some "people of color" can have for other "people of color". In many cases it's far worse than what "people of color" claim the Older Whites have.
Nope, sorry. The future does not promise some great Utopian Rainbow Coalition for Social Justice. People are too human for that.
Of course, she'll run off and marry the clown and get pregnant before she knows it and the clown never seems to catch on to the idea of work.
No, she addressed this. That's for the others. Reid realizes women aren't reproducing as they pursue their careers, and that's why we need to have more immigrants:
"Immigrants aren’t going away (and in fact we need them to keep the economy and the safety net flush)" [what a cop-out]
Unfortunately for Reid, women folks like her, and men that marry them, are not replacing themselves, writing themselves out of the gene-pool. The answer is to rewrite our culture with folks who do not share our values.
The end-game doesn't look so good for Reid and her types, though perhaps she will become a CEO, or her daughter will, and these lower class folks can pay for her in her old age.
The ability to predict the future of mankind is indistinguishable from the power to direct the future of mankind. That's why progessivism is about power, not "progress."
You give too much credit. These people are writing themselves out of the gene-pool. There is an unbridgeable chasm between their thinking and the "brown people" they champion, so the idea of injecting memes into the new culture they are creating is false.
They are riding a barren horse, to their grave. They know it, and want to take as many with them as they can.
Meanwhile, the ownership class is laughing it up, as the taxpayers pay for their cheap labor.
Blogger becauseIdbefired said...
No, she addressed this. That's for the others. Reid realizes women aren't reproducing as they pursue their careers, and that's why we need to have more immigrants:
"Immigrants aren’t going away (and in fact we need them to keep the economy and the safety net flush)" [what a cop-out]
And what is it that convinces Reid that those immigrants will give a damn about funding HER retirement?
Angel-Dyne
"It's like they're all competing for the "Greatest Lack of Self-Insight" Oscar."
Well, I don't see any reason why this award can't be shared as many ways as needed.
Kevin,
"Both steel and aluminum workers are in the Steelworkers Union."
Isn't that just asking for corrosion?
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