Too mean? How hurt is she? Not that hurt:
Looks like i have an acute facet (spinal joint) dysfunction. I got compressed on the 6th gate and my back seized up. Rested and had a lot of therapy tonight. We will see how I feel tomorrow and then decide if I will race....What did she say about Trump? Asked if she'd do the traditional visit to the White House after the Olympic, she'd said "absolutely not." Later, she clarified: "I was asked my opinion and I gave it. I mean, it's not necessarily my place to be sticking my nose in politics, but as an athlete I do have a voice." She also said that at the Olympics she would "represent the people of the United States, not the president." She didn't mention Trump, but she did say she admired Colin Kaepernick, which the linked article (to Fox News) connects to Trump, in that Trump has tweeted about Kaepernick. But Kaepernick's protest wasn't about Trump. If I remember correctly, Kaepernick protest is about race and the police (something we don't hear much about anymore).
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These people think we are interested in their opinion.
She told half the nation not to root for her. No problem.
She's an idiot.
admired Colin Kaepernick
A useful filtering criterion.
Shorter Lindsey: "I don't want any of those dirty icky deplorables rooting for me. F off, losers."
OK. Will do.
I admit to a moment of schadenfreude since she wasn't really badly hurt. I love the Winter Olympics and downhill skiing in particular so I wish these athletes would KEEP THEIR STUPID MOUTHS SHUT! I can't root for Lindsey any longer. Fortunately, she's not the only American woman in the hunt. And she is very prone to injury.
She made it about politics when she said she wouldn't visit the White House. Isn't a visit to the nation's capital greater than any temporary sitting president?
Well, she is right, the president does not represent the people of the US. Under the Constitution s/he is not supposed to. The president's job is to preside over the states united.
Far too many people forget that the president's sole sworn duty is to protect and defend the people of the US.
Wrong.
The president swears a solemn oath to
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
The Constitution comes first. Without it, there are no other protections of any value.
The people of the United States are represented by their Congressional representatives.
Pro tip: Read the US Constitution, Lindsey.
John Henry
Good.
Welp - I hope it hurts, Lindsey.
And yes, chickie - he's YOUR president. :)
She's an idiot.
She crashes into gates with her head for a living. Also crashes into snowbanks, nets, the Earth with her head for a living.
If she had the courage of her convictions, she would refuse to compete. She loses nothing by going to the Olympics and then boycotting the White House. (Except the respect of people she apparently thinks are deplorable anyway)
She just answered a question, and she did so in a pretty modest way. Must we be so mean?
“as an athlete I have a voice.”
Actually I think it’s because you are an American that you have a voice. You are representing the USA due your skiing skills, not your political leanings.
I had never heard of this person before know and likely won't remember their name in a day or two. Apparently they're a Winter Olympian (judging by the comments downhill skiing) who doesn't like Trump or wanted to signal their virtue. I hope that their injury is as minor as they make it out to be and they make a speedy and full recovery but I wasn't planning on watching the Winter Olympics anyway and comments like this just makes me even less like likely to do so.
Fuck with President Trump and his magic will destroy you. The list is long.
33 is old for a downhill racer. Vonn ought to hang it up before she takes a fall so bad that all the king's horses and all the king's men cannot put Lindsey Vonn back together again.
Otherwise, I agree with AA.
Must we be so mean?
12/10/17, 9:58 AM
What she said isn't mean? GFY you ignorant slut. Maybe the media ought not to regard it their mission to get everyone's opinions of everything on record.
Perhaps it has happened and just not been reported, but I would really like to hear one of these athletes refuse to answer when asked to comment on a political subject.
And can't we dispense with the athletes and teams visiting the President after a big event or championship? Such a silly and superficial act.
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“as an athlete I have a voice.”
You hear this crap all too often. As an Olympic athlete she is representing the USA and should keep her politics off the record.
"...but as an athlete I do have a voice."
Whatev. "As an X [actor...retail clerk, doctor, lawyer, dog-catcher, sex worker, circus clown, etc.] I do have a voice."
As citizens, we all "have a voice". That's the only reason we tolerate actors and athletes voicing their brain-dead political opinions.
She also said that at the Olympics she would "represent the people of the United States, not the president."
What's that phrase again..."Not in my name"? Yeah, something like that.
Why don't you ever call Drudge's antics "fake news?" Clearly he likes to associate things that have nothing to do with one another... as all conspiracists do.
Maybe that's why conspiracy theory is so rampant on the right.
Reminds me of a female skier who won gold in the Winter Olympics during Reagan's administration. The President phoned her on location to congratulate her. Her response, "Hi, Ronnie!".
"She just answered a question, and she did so in a pretty modest way. Must we be so mean?"
I hope she is not seriously injured and will recover for the Olympics. That said her remark was stupid. It destroys her brand. The correct answer is, "I'm concerned about getting ready for the Winter Olympics, not politics".
The agony of defeat.
She also said that at the Olympics she would "represent the people of the United States, not the president."
(1) Nobody ever asked or suggested that Olympic athletes should represent the president.
(2) It is awfully presumptuous of her to say that she represents the people. Who elected her to represent the people? I didn't vote for her. She doesn't represent me.
This metaphor is from another sport but Vonn's remark seems like an own-goal. In a week or a month maybe she or her agent will explain that the painkillers loosened her tongue inappropriately.
Why piss off any part of your public? And, girl, at 33 you re now old enough to be mistress of your career and therefore your tongue.
Pass the popcorn.
It is very nice for her to wear the list of companies that the Delplorables can write to to mention her 'voice' and whom she represents (clearly not 40% of the nation).
How is it that there is never a Conservative voice mentioned who supports Trump by the media except in a hit piece to destroy them, Ms. Althouse?
Yeah, selective bias to create a false impression of universal disdain.
She doesn't represent the people of the US, she represents Red Bull, according to the hat she wore for that interview. I wonder what Red Bull thinks about potentially losing 1/2 of their customer base.
She just answered a question
Typical attempt to shift blame. She not only answered a question, she expressly stated she would take an action to disrespect the President and the country that elected him.
She doesn't represent the people, Trump does.
Now she and her defenders are whining.
Lindsay Vonn is a great skier who seems to have a bit of a weird personal life. She tried to attach herself to Tim Tebow, then she was with Tiger in the aftermath of his messy sex scandal and divorce. I remember she put a baby squirrel on Tiger when he was golfing, I think trying to look girlfriend cute for the camera. I haven't liked the publicity-seeking side of her for a while now.
Lindsey is entitled to her opinion not because she’s an elite athlete but because she’s an American. I disagree with her opinion, but I hope she recovers from her injury and I hope she caps her career with a gold. I disagree with her opinion regarding Trump, but that’s why we have elections.
Mac McConnell said...
"She just answered a question, and she did so in a pretty modest way. Must we be so mean?"
I hope she is not seriously injured and will recover for the Olympics. That said her remark was stupid. It destroys her brand. The correct answer is, "I'm concerned about getting ready for the Winter Olympics, not politics".
Yes this.
Also, yes as an athlete and citizen of the US she has a voice. I just think it is better for her brand if she doesn't use it. Better for the Olympic brand, too.
It's all downhill for her now.
Doesn't she have to win to get invited to the White House?
After a lifetime of troubleshooting technical and business problems, you learn that "things that have nothing to do with each other" usually have quite a lot to do with each other.
Process often creates technical problems. Personnel often create process problems. Technical issues often have downstream business impact; business problems often feed back into technical. Regulation wording often enough creates technical constraints. Etc. and etc.
Its all one piece, and the more you know the better it all fits in your head.
Angel-Dyne: Whatev. "As an X [actor...retail clerk, doctor, lawyer, dog-catcher, sex worker, circus clown, etc.] I do have a voice."
Not rodeo clowns, though, obviously. According to Democrats.
I am not wishing anything bad for Lindsey Vonn, quite the contrary.
I was thinking of Cha-cha Muldowney - just one more time in an even bigger and badder dragster when she had not quite recovered from her last injuries.
Celebrities do make unfortunate comments on camera. Vonn's was not all that bad.
Is she not putting other athletes in a deplorable and awkward position for going to the White House in celebration to keep their joy muted?
A wet blanket and a party pooper.
In this case she was asked, no doubt, due to an MSM agenda to create a political atmosphere, to poison the well in Winter Olympics coverage. This is quite an obvious suspicion if one has had enough experience of the MSM SOP. They have a political propaganda line to push and would love to frame the Winter Olympics coverage to suit.
“She told half the nation not to root for her. No problem”
I am betting that the majority of those most interested in watching her lean left, or at least voted for someone besides Trump, if they voted at all. It is somewhat a snobby sport, something that is mostly practiced by the rich, the upper middle class, and young outdoorsy types. Spent a number of years in Jered Polis’s (first married gay member of Congress) district. District has three research universities, and at least 7 ski areas. He could be caught buggering Congressional pages in the cloakroom, and get re-elected. His constituents are prime Lindsey Vonn fans, and many would be appalled if she went to the WH with Trump there.
but as an athlete I do have a voice
Let loose with your war cry, mighty huntress!
(Yodeling.)
"Is she not putting other athletes in a deplorable and awkward position"
Yes, thats the point. Its not her so much as the tone of the MSM. They will force political questions on the US team, building it through interviews, requiring overt statements, creating pressure for a boycott of the White House.
She just answered a question, and she did so in a pretty modest way. Must we be so mean?
Guys, guys!
You're trying to hold a woman responsible, and make her feel bad about, something she did. That's absolutely fucking verbotten.
You're all a bunch of fucking Deplorables!
re: Winter Olympics TV coverage --
A lot of people quit watching the Olympics years ago. From the crappy coverage by NBC (including the preachy Bob Costas) to the commercialization of the whole thing, particularly the abandonment of amateurs and embrace of professionals to the farce of judging to the inclusion of too many fake "sports" like snowboarding to the complete politicization of the Games -- the Olympics have become a total bore.
Her ex-boyfriend, Tiger Woods, just played golf with Trump.
Isn’t he some sort of athlete? Would he not have a voice? Does it mean Woods is pro-Trump?
Given her answer, this would have been a reasonable line of questioning.
U good to gloat about people falling and injuring themselves. But Ann I think the reaction here is muted compared to what you'd see on CNN if Trump or Melania were hurt or crippled. So some perspective.
Damn autocorrext. Ungood
“33 is old for a downhill racer. Vonn ought to hang it up before she takes a fall so bad that all the king's horses and all the king's men cannot put Lindsey Vonn back together again.”
Definitely not old for men. A lot of the best male downhillers don’t hit their peak until their 30s. Slalom is typically the young person’s game, with their faster reflexes, etc. in Downhill, and really Super G, experience counts more than reflexes. Women do mature faster than men, and peak earlier in Alpine events. Kinda maybe like the difference between NFL quarterbacks and receivers.
The thing that is going to take out Vonn are injuries. Cumulative injuries - you can get over one, or two, but after awhile, they take away your edge, and Vonn is competing with the very best women skiers in the world. She was, at least, one of a couple best in the world in speed events. It doesn’t take much to drop her back to the top 20, or even top 50, and then the US team would have to replace her with someone who wasn’t as beaten up, as injured over the years.
Is North Korea sending a team ... Who will kneel for that anthem?
Do MSM interview them for opinion about Trump?
Doesn't she have to win to get invited to the White House?
No, I think all the Olympic contenders are invited.
If her first statement was "absolutely not", her followup wasn't an attempt to clarify.
She just answered a question, and she did so in a pretty modest way. Must we be so mean?
Civility bullshit. An athlete who said that in 2009 would show up on SNL's cold open that weekend in a Klan hood. By the summer there would have been a movie about skiing Nazis and the ugly one would be called Lindsay. The next seven years of Kimmel and Colbert and The Daily Show and that British idiot who looks like a muppet, she'd have been the go-to punchline for jokes about racism - "A black church in New Jersey caught fire this week, but don't worry, Lindsay Vonn has an alibi."
She'll survive five minutes of being the butt of a joke on The Drudge Report.
This is the early stages of a very similar process that we saw regarding the booking of performers for the Trump inauguration. They got a bunch to proclaim they wouldnt, then they pressured the waverers, and then group dynamics put the remainder who may have bucked the consensus in fear of doing so, like Andrea Boccelli.
Mark said...A lot of people quit watching the Olympics years ago. From the crappy coverage by NBC (including the preachy Bob Costas) to the commercialization of the whole thing, particularly the abandonment of amateurs and embrace of professionals to the farce of judging to the inclusion of too many fake "sports" like snowboarding to the complete politicization of the Games -- the Olympics have become a total bore.
Yes. In this regard, the Olympics are very much pro-football. We try to watch the athletes who genuinely do their best during their brief careers, but few like the grandstanding political showboats; we secretly hope they fail.
The problem with her answer is that it unnecessary politicizes any White House visit. If you don’t want to go, don’t go. Say you had a conflict and leave it at that.
When you start making protests you’re saying that everyone invited must either out themselves as pro- or anti-Trump.
You take away the option of civility - for everyone, not just yourself.
The more they yap the less I watch
Lindsey Vonn is 33 years old and has been suffering from an increasing number of injuries over the last couple of years. Age will tell. What she thinks of Trump means absolutely nothing to me.
"Is North Korea sending a team[?]".
Team? They're sending an army!
I thought about that too, kind of a reminder to remember that bad things can happen to us at anytime.
Trump did say we would tire from all the winning.
Lindseys caught the bug.
Must we be so mean?
The leftie raison d'etre is to shame, ostracize, marginalize. It is telling when it's a shock because it comes from the other side.
Suzy Fapstick.
Go home.
"Must we be so mean?"
As if people trying to destroy Trump aren't mean. Bush turned the cheek, Trump gets mean and fights back.
bgates hypothesizes: Civility bullshit. An athlete who said that in 2009 would show up on SNL's cold open that weekend in a Klan hood. By the summer there would have been a movie about skiing Nazis and the ugly one would be called Lindsay. The next seven years of Kimmel and Colbert and The Daily Show and that British idiot who looks like a muppet, she'd have been the go-to punchline for jokes about racism - "A black church in New Jersey caught fire this week, but don't worry, Lindsay Vonn has an alibi."
Exactly!!!
Nov. 8th: Brad Paisley and Carrie Underwood poke fun at Trump at the CMAs with "Before He Tweets."
Nov. 10th: Carrie Underwood falls off the steps on her front porch and suffers a broken wrist, cuts and abrasions.
Watch out, Brad!
Or perhaps it's "Watch out Brad, you could be next" to the tune of the Nationwide jingle.
What will become of Pharrell, or whatever his name is..
"I don’t know if you’ve seen the news or who’s running my country but it’s a real fucking shit show,” Pharrell says while introducing the record. “I’ve never seen such desperation in my life.”"
As he puts on his pussy hat
I remember when Obama won the Gold Medal for Giant Slalom at the Olympic, a month or so after he took office. Judges said they never saw anyone go downhill that fast.
Civility Bullshit indeed.
“Lindsey Vonn is 33 years old and has been suffering from an increasing number of injuries over the last couple of years. Age will tell.”
More I think of it, the more I think that this injury may be career ending. At least in Downhill, though maybe not for Super is G. Problem is that the name of the game in Downhill is handling G forces. She can’t avoid hitting compressions at speed. And, if she even thinks about doing so, she has lost her edge. Because every other woman in the top seed will be hitting that compression full out. How do you heal back injuries like that?
I only ran Downhill a couple times when I was ski racing, up through college. Too much adrenaline for me. Not only is it a wild ride, comparable to the best roller coaster rides, but was the most exhausting event for me - my legs would be vibrating like crazy, while trying to make them do what needed to be done. Next brother quit racing after college but started back up again at maybe 30, and has been doing it since. He was always too light in HS and college to do well at DH, but had to learn to do it decently well for a chance at the combined title for his age bracket. His stated goal is to hit 70 mph at 70 (he knws a guy who did that) which isn’t that far away. Still not big enough to win, but just showing up and finishing is enough to get enough DH points to have a chance of the combined title. And this year, he is at the bottom of his age bracket. we shall see.
Mockturtle,
If I had ever met my hero former president Obama I am sure he would address me as "john", not Mr Henry. Even though I am somewhat older than he.
In that case would I be wrong to address him as "Barrack"?
There is a story that senator huey long, after being addressed by fdr a huey, started calling him Franklin. When the chief of staff called him on it, he insisted that fdr address him as "senator long"
Why do politicians think first name basis is ok? They are our employees, not our rulers.
John Henry
The Trump curse is a meme. People say/post/tweet anti-Trump stuff, then later something bad happens to them. Of course, it's not a real thing. Lots of people say anti-Trump stuff, lots of people have something bad happen to them. The two groups are going to overlap. It doesn't matter, making it a meme makes the schadenfreude more fun.
It's not a real thing, Mary Beth? Tell that to Carrie Underwood!
I think Trump's curse has already taken out more people than King Tut's tomb did.
More powerful than the Clinton curse but less deadly.
Buwaya: excellent comment about how to manipulate a "consensus" out of thin air. Get a few "opinion leaders" to say just enough; then bully-ask others why they could possibly disagree; then stampede/cow the rest into silence if not active support.
It helps if you buy ink by the barrel or, these days, cable and streaming services and social media.
Theater. Lindsay got played, and it seems quite willingly.
Yes, that Drudge headline was misleading. I thought she'd been censured or maybe even disqualified for the Olympics by the US Olympic organization, though that seemed unlikely.
No, she simply got injured skiing. Well, I certainly hope this keeps her out of the Olympics. Uncivil? Ungenerous? I don't care. I'm done showing these leftist assholes the civility they so blatantly and publicly refuse to show anyone who disagrees with them politically.
I hope she watches the Olympics from the comfort of her own living room.
I'll be sending her a tape of all of Trump's speeches so she can watch while she recuperates. That's the kind of guy I am.
The media know who the Trump-haters are on the team. It would never occur to them to ask similar questions of known Trump supporters.
The media at large should have been Time's 'Person of the Year' for displaying complete lack of objectivity and using their considerable influence to divide our country.
This virtue-signaling is getting tiresome. Since when have US Olympic participants represented the president?
I had this discussion with my dad in the 90s with Clinton because I hated him. I said even tho it would never happen, if I did something to be recognized by the president I wouldn't go.
My dad said you go because you respect the office, even if you don't respect the man.
Shut up, take the photo op then leave.
The Trump curse is a meme.
When you have so many people going out of their way to diss Trump, the pool from which these sort of accidents happen gets bigger and you have more accidents. You don't need a curse.
Of course that doesn't mean these people do stupid things like CNN's reporters who create their own "accidents".
The Delphi Technique: How leftists manipulate a consensus and how to turn it against them
But Kaepernick's protest wasn't about Trump.
Kaepernick started his little stunt when President Boyfriend was still in office.
It had nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with Kaepernick thinking all cops are pigs.
"She just answered a question, and she did so in a pretty modest way. Must we be so mean?"
Her answer: "...represent the people of the United States, not the president."
That's why. Does any Olympian represent their head of government? That is an honest question. When Grace, princess of Monaco was in the Olympics, I suppose she could have said to been there to represent her soverign and husband, Prince Ranier. But do other countries (or has the USA) ever had their athletes represent their Head of State?
Because her answer seems like a non-sequitur unnecessary jab at the president.
If the reporter asked a question "Will you represent the President?" and someone can point that out I will retract all of mean-ness on this issue. Otherwise it just seems like a way for her to virtual signal, a way for her to be mean first.
Trump is the left's mythical Stork that is the bringer of life and abortion.
"A black church in New Jersey caught fire this week, but don't worry, Lindsay Vonn has an alibi."
bgates has a future as a political comedy writer if he was just in it for the money. He also shows how formulaic and obvious the genre is.
They will force political questions on the US team,
You know what I think is such a useful, Kryptonite-like answer to such prying that I wish they would teach it in the schools? When newsies ask you a question like that I think your reply should be,
Why do you ask?
She also said that at the Olympics she would "represent the people of the United States, not the president."
May be. But right now she's representing Toyota, Xfinity, Red Bull, Bridgestone, Visa, Spyder and whatever corporation put a sticker on her (very nice) ass.
Put wheels on her and she could enter the Daytona 500.
Althouse disingenuously asks: She just answered a question, and she did so in a pretty modest way. Must we be so mean?
She knows full well that she was inviting our meanness. Troll! ;-)
Rabel suggests: Put wheels on her and she could enter the Daytona 500.
Good idea! Those pit stops might be interesting.
All too often assertions are made here at Althouse without supporting evidence.
Your Honor, I submit the attached for entry into the record.
"Her ex-boyfriend, Tiger Woods, just played golf with Trump."
Yes days before he came back and kicked ass in a tournament. Wining, the positive part of Trump Voodoo.
Good idea! Those pit stops might be interesting.
The pit crew would need Tiger Woods to check her oil. (ducks)
I agree that the media manipulates the narrative by the questions they ask. But Vonn is not a high school skier, she's a pro with a brand and sponsors. She knew exactly what she was saying, she's been coached what to say since she was in college or Jr Olympics.
INSTANT KARMA https://youtu.be/F3qvosHHcWc
If I had ever met my hero former president Obama I am sure he would address me as "john", not Mr Henry. Even though I am somewhat older than he.
As Bill Clinton was handing me my diploma at Dartmouth, he called me "Sir," as in "Congratulations, Sir."
I had a photo of the incident but it has disappeared. One of my kids probably has it.
And he was not my hero.
Ann Althouse said 12/10/17, 9:58 AM...
She just answered a question, and she did so in a pretty modest way. Must we be so mean?
Says the woman who parses and chews over words here daily - endlessly (and often tiresomely) analyzing and cattily attempting to attribute motives that may or may not exist.
Or, as Ian Fleming said,
Fate rebuked her with terrifying swiftness.
richard mcenroe:
Excellent.
Althouse’s illiterate commenters are outing themselves.
The reason we have athletes come to the White House is so that we, as Americans, can celebrate them. It's supposed to be as non-political an act that you can get out of the White House. It's a unity thing.
Vonn is deciding that she only wants to be celebrated if she likes who the President is. That's certainly her right, but it is explicitly divisive.
And so we continue with the latest installment of a celebrity deciding she does not like our kind. There's no way that end badly, is there?
mockturtle said...
Reminds me of a female skier who won gold in the Winter Olympics during Reagan's administration. The President phoned her on location to congratulate her. Her response, "Hi, Ronnie!".
12/10/17, 10:10 AM
From http://www.baseball-almanac.com/prz_qcc.shtml
Did you know that President Calvin Coolidge appeared on the front cover of the April 22, 1925, Washington Senators season opener program?
Bucky Harris was married on October 1, 1926, and President Calvin Coolidge (and his wife) attended the ceremony as guests of honor.
When President Calvin Coolidge greeted the New York Yankees, Babe Ruth shook his hand, wiped his forehead and said, "Hot as hell, ain't it, Prez?"
MPH said...
Althouse’s illiterate commenters are outing themselves.
12/10/17, 9:24 PM
Impress us with your...something.
Mazel tov on Spawn #3, Mike.
Well, seeing this president, she probably won't need to worry about any invitation so she can deny it publically.
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