Said Trump, just now.
Here's the NYT story.
Mr. Trump made the surprise declaration in a series of posts on Twitter, saying he had come to the decision after consulting with generals and military experts, whom he did not name.
July 26, 2017
"After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military."
"Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail. Thank you."
Said Trump, just now.
Here's the NYT story.
Said Trump, just now.
Here's the NYT story.
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 455 of 455Anything else would hurt people's feelings, and military effectiveness and efficiency count less than those people's feelings.
Fortunately, we don't have to deal with it until the next Democrat president.
"Feeling shin splints?"
Better before basic than getting sent home on a medical where you will need a waiver and three years to apply again.
How else would you have known her so well?
Nobody believed you the first couple of times, give it up. Kind of like your "Russia" shtick, come to think of it.
This is your weapon,
This is your gun.
This is for fighting,
This is for..... what the HELL, Smith.....
Aw Darrell, I bet the Real Inga would be hurt by your denials. OK. I'll drop it, but you just seemed to know her soooooo well. You remark on her so often, you sound sort of like a jilted lover. Just teasing you, sweetie.
"This is your gun ... HELL."
You can take your hand off of your cock. After graduating.
If you want to reality check – HELL – as a check on your hell-concepts, a valid part of reality checking abstract concepts, then sit on the porch and ask your grannie, or talk to yourself, in own mind [this is not a personal response: don't go there].
If you want to reality check – HELL – as fact, with facts-and-all as another valid part of reality checking, then create More’s “Utopia”, sans military, right here, right now, on planet earth, and report back the results.
Sgt. Hartman, Hollywood's greatest Marine Drill Seargent, sez:
" If you ladies leave my island, if you survive recruit training, you will be a weapon. You will be a minister of death praying for war. But until that day you are pukes. You are the lowest form of life on Earth. You are not even human fucking beings. You are nothing but unorganized grabastic pieces of amphibian shit! Because I am hard, you will not like me. But the more you hate me, the more you will learn. I am hard but I am fair. There is no racial bigotry here. I do not look down on niggers, kikes, wops or greasers. Here you are all equally worthless. And my orders are to weed out all non-hackers who do not pack the gear to serve in my beloved Corps. Do you maggots understand that?"
Stress injuries? Feste makes the case against allowing women in combat arms billets and transgenders anywhere near the military.
The rate of stress fractures in basic/entry training programs - including painful and debilitating and possibly career-ending pelvic fractures from stress is 800 percent higher for women than men. And that's before we started putting women through infantry school.
I agree with Michael... 5 miles is a great baseline. Any young person planning to ship out for basic soon should be able to run that far before showing up. I agree that being in that condition makes things MUCH easier. I'd also throw in loads of pull-ips, especialyb for Marines. ( army focuses on push-ups, not pull-ups but pull-ups are more functional)
And all Army infantry had to be able to run 5 miles in 40 minutes when I went through, anyway, so you're just training to hit the standard.
Of course, Feste didn't realize that. Yet another reason to keep women, trannies or not, out of the infantry MOSs.
I swear, every day, liberals show how stupid they are in novel ways.
I saw a guy this year who was riffed because he could not run a mile in 11 minutes. He told me he had just gotten back from patrol when he was told he had to run that qualifying run and failed. He was in Iraq.
He was applying to the National Guard, I think. Hoping to get back to active duty.
The D governor of Connecticut has now announced that the Ct NG will welcome trannies.
Jason said...
Stress injuries? Feste makes the case against allowing women in combat arms billets and transgenders anywhere near the military.”
God, help me. And Jason too.
Jason, is your reading problem due to ocular antagonistic episodes or trauma to your chiasm? Or is your problem a matter of reading comprehension, due to a left/right learned political idée fixe?
What I wrote made exactly the - polar opposite - “case” for which you accuse me.
Michael K saw it. And apologized. Because mistakes and bias are correctable. Away we went off to the races. Swimmingly.
My original post mounted an argument against what male Marines did to female Marines by posting female nudies on Facebook. As I already wrote, that post aimed at a call to higher fidelity. Not lower.
I have a daughter looking to join as an officer. Like her mother, an 03, when I met her.
Your straw man about my take on transgenders ignores what I wrote against sexual binary thinking.
See:
Dimorphism is an observed clinical. Phenotypic.
“Is” ain’t “ought.” So generate your social policy as you will. Whether policy affects your assortative preferences, future epigenetic, not the genome project, may tell. Maybe not. Maybe never. Market sells what market sells.
Stress injuries - see what Michael K wrote.
Maybe your bone spurs stopped you from serving?
The military should not have the time or the money for sex change operations.
"The D governor of Connecticut has now announced that the Ct NG will welcome trannies"
Any moment now Inga/other lefties will proclaim the Gov of CT the Leader of the Free World, since the "Merkel is the new leader of the Free World" and the "Macron is the leader of the Free World" claims sorta collapsed in short order.
Sort of the like the lefts beloved Venezuelan "experiment" in typical leftist government.
If you join the military to treat it like your own personal welfare honey pot - you might be an a-hole.
How much did Chelsea Manning cost the US government? (the tax payer...)
Facebook post from today.
"My daughter, who has served since 2002. Proud of her.
R......D.........
2 hrs ·
I just have to say I support my currently serving transgender brothers and sisters. Because they are just that, our brothers and sisters."
Because our military should be a bout feelings.... and fake facebook.
"The conservative-leaning American Medical Association put another dent in President Donald Trump’s reasoning for his decision to ban transgender American from the U.S. military.
David Barbe, M.D., who serves as president of the country’s largest medical association said on Wednesday that “there is no medically valid reason to exclude transgender individuals from military service. Transgender individuals are serving their country with honor, and they should be allowed to continue doing so.”
But Barbe, who was named AMA president in June, wasn’t having any of it. In addition to disproving any notion that transgender people aren’t medically capable of serving in the armed forces, the American Medical Association president went on to say that those who did require medical assistance and coverage for their gender-related health issues should be able to access it."
Because Bimbo is an idiot, as usual.
"“AMA policy also supports public and private health insurance coverage for treatment of gender dysphoria as recommended by the patient’s physician,” Barbe said in the statement. “According to the Rand study on the impact of transgender individuals in the military, the financial cost is a rounding error in the defense budget and should not be used as an excuse to deny patriotic Americans an opportunity to serve their country. We should be honoring their service – not trying to end it.”
Since Trump made the announcement, his decision has been met with staunch opposition by government officials, transgender veterans and organizations dedicated to protecting civil rights for citizens.
The AMA is a conservative-leaning lobbyist group that has spent a substantial amount of money influencing American politics in Washington for years. The group also previously came out against the GOP’s planned replacement for the Affordable Care Act, dubbed “Trumpcare.”"
Making more sense now. This will come back to bite Trump in the ass more than anything else he's done.
"In May, the Conservative Action Project released a memo calling for Trump to end the "social engineering" of permitting transgender people to serve and paying for gender re-assignment surgeries. Influential movement leaders wondered what the heck was taking so long, why Defense Secretary James Mattis seemed to be stalling rather than reversing the Obama-era policies.
After an amendment to reverse those policies failed, House conservatives, especially Rep. Mark Meadows of the House Freedom Caucus, started threatening not to vote for the military appropriations bill unless the transgender issues were resolved.
Internally, Mike Pence, Rick Dearborn, Marc Short, Steve Bannon and Paul Teller were pushing to overturn the Obama-era policy on transgender troops. Meadows' late intervention empowered Bannon and others to make the point to Trump that the security bill, which included Trump priorities like the border wall, could be derailed unless they handled this issue now."
https://www.axios.com/pence-bannon-pushed-for-transgender-troop-ban-2465917198.html
"Making more sense now. This will come back to bite Trump in the ass more than anything else he's done"
LOL
So, the guy who the left claims is literally Hitler and beyond deplorable and a fascist who is creating a state of hate now has to worry about how his transgender policy will be received down the road!
Hilarious.
On the plus side, inga's beloved islamist imam now says he didn't mean to actually annihilate the jews just because he said he wanted the jews annihilated.
So, we've got that going for us now.
"Inga's beloved islamist imam now says he didn't mean to actually annihilate the jews just because he said he wanted the jews annihilated."
Just pathetic Drago.
Inga wrote: Making more sense now. This will come back to bite Trump in the ass more than anything else he's done.
I think not. Look at Althouse's poll results. It's no-brainer policy question and Dems will not die on this hill unless they are stupid.
The AMA is conservative leaning? Now that is a serious delusion!
Chickelit,
This is an Althouse poll. The commentariat of Althouse does not reflect the greater population of the US. As you should know Althouse commentariat is probably 90 % conservative.
I am not responding to leftist commenters but anyone who thinks the AMA is conservative has been asleep for 50 years.
Lol! You just did respond Michael, silly boy.
lol. I began commenting on this thread by saying I didn't like Trump's Tweet ("my" Generals), but that the policy was fine with me, and that I had resented the Obama policy announcement of last year.
Now, I think the worst thing about the Tweet many be that Trump didn't consult with "his" generals at all. What I am hearing is that none of the Joint Chiefs were in on the Trump announcement before the Tweet went out.
I'm fine with House Republicans taking the political and budget messages to the White House and asking for this move to be made at this time. But which generals and which "experts" did Trump consult with? I hope that Trump did consult with somebody, and I hope that since he said he consulted with generals and experts, that he did that. But I don't think he did.
For anyone who is really big on this issue, and who thinks that the military will be harmed by the forced inclusion of transgendered people, I feel as though I am substantially with you but that if indeed Trump has done this without the consultation that he claimed in a Tweet, it may actually be harder to fight the inevitable court battles over the policy.
And this is the case with so much of Trump. The refugee travel ban; the election integrity commission; healthcare reform; and now the military transgender issue. All cases in which Trump's initiatives are fine, but his stray, careless, intemperate comments and behavior screw it all up and make it harder to defend.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2017/07/26/transgender-airman-i-would-like-to-see-them-try-to-kick-me-out-of-my-military/
"After President Trump’s surprise announcement Wednesday barring transgender people from serving “in any capacity“ in the military, one prominent transgender airman said he’s more determined than ever to continue serving in the Air Force.
“I would like to see them try to kick me out of my military,” Staff Sgt. Logan Ireland said in an interview with Air Force Times. “You are not going to deny me my right to serve my country when I am fully qualified and able and willing to give my life.”
Other transgender service members expressed the same determination to stay in uniform in interviews with Military Times.
“I will continue to report for duty in the uniform of the day until I am forced to receive my DD214” discharge papers, said Sgt. Jack Schuler a transgender man and Army reservist who is a chemical operations specialist. He previously served in the Marine Corps.
“I love serving this country and its people,” he said. ”I love being a part of this military family. My dream is to retire after a long career. I’m not going anywhere, anytime soon.”
A Marine military police officer who is a transgender man (he asked that his name not be used), pointed out that he’s served honorably through two deployments. He’s never endangered his comrades, he said, or made anyone else “conform to my world view.” All he asked for, he said, was the same respect he gave others.
“I have never described myself as trans; I’m a mother----ing Marine,” the corporal said. “That‘s all that matters. Don’t tarnish my title with your bigotry and fear of the unknown.”
It is unclear exactly how President Trump’s new policy will affect transgender people already serving. In a short statement, the Pentagon said it will work with the White House and “will provide revised guidance to the department in the near future.”"
"Ireland, a security forces airman who deployed to Kandahar, Afghanistan, has been one of the most prominent transgender people in the military since he first shared his story publicly in 2015, three years after he began his transition to a man. Ireland also consulted with the Air Force last year as it drafted its guidance for how it will incorporate transgender airmen into its ranks.
Ireland is married to a transgender woman who serves in the Army, Cpl. Laila Villanueva, and the two appeared in a 2015 New York Times documentary, “Transgender, at War and in Love.”
Ireland, who is currently taking part in security forces training, said he had no idea at all that the change was coming. The policy change was especially a surprise, he said, considering the support Defense Department leadership has showed for allowing transgender people to serve.
“For the president to deny an able-bodied, fully qualified person the inherent right to raise their right hand and serve their country, potentially giving their own life for our freedoms, is doing this country an injustice,” Ireland said. “I would personally love for my president to meet me so I can tell him about myself, and the 15,500 honorably-serving transgender military members that are fighting right now for their liberties and their country.”
Schuler said that re-imposing a ban on transgender service members is likely to be counterproductive.
“For every qualified, fit to serve transgender person lost, there will have to be another person recruited and trained to replace them,” Schuler said. “Given the small number of transgender service members and the fact that not every transgender person opts for full or any medical reassignment, more will be spent imposing the ban than would be saved in treatment costs.”
Capt. Jacob Eleazer of the Kentucky Army National Guard said he hasn’t heard anything yet on whether his status will change.
“I imagine military leadership, like me, is still reacting to the news and trying to figure out exactly what bearing this is going to have,” Eleazer said, speaking for himself and not for the military. “I remain hopeful that it’s possible that with some wisdom and guidance that things could change, but I’m kind of an optimist, so we’ll see how it rolls out.”"
"Eleazer, who is a doctoral candidate in psychology, hopes to secure a military clinical internship as part of his plan to become a military psychologist. However, transferring to a medical position is technically considered a new commission, so Eleazer has been waiting for the Defense Department to release its policy on inducting transgender service members.
Eleazer said his unit has been supportive of him serving as an openly transgender soldier, and recently returned from annual training with his unit.
“My commander set a very clear tone of dignity and respect,” Eleazer said. “My gender marker is not updated in the military medical system even though it’s been updated on my birth certificate for years now. Because of that, I still have to follow female standards and female billeting and my unit has been very accommodating to help figure out solutions to that when we’ve been in the field. It’s been great working with them, to be honest.”
Over the past year, as the Air Force adjusted to the new policy allowing transgender people to serve, it even began publicizing the stories of some transgender airmen. In a commentary posted on Nellis Air Force Base’s website June 30, Senior Airman Irene Nelson, an air traffic controller, described how she came to realize she was a transgender woman and made her transition.
And last November, Offut Air Force Base posted a profile of Staff Sgt. Ashleigh Buch, an instructor with the 338th Combat Training Squadron there, about her transition and the strain of living in the closet.
“When you have to serve and you aren’t able to be yourself, it’s going to dampen your spirit,” Buch said in that profile. “If you’re going to have to constantly worry about being outed, or constantly worry about your safety or your health — and do that all in silence — you’re never going to be as good as you could be.”
Ireland emphasized the wide variety of roles transgender people serve today in the Air Force.
“We have pilots, we have doctors, we have combat medics, we have security forces members like myself,” Ireland said. “We are everywhere in the military, and for our president to not have a military member’s back that is willing to die for him, blows my mind. And it just makes me very motivated today to continue my training.”"
Feste: If EVERYONE reading your inane drivel doesn't seem to understand it to your liking, the fault probably lies with the person looking at you in the mirror.
At any rate, I wasn't responding to the same post Michael was.
And if you read my post and came away with "bone spurs prevented me from serving," you need to work on your reading skills yourself. My writing is much clearer than yours.
Actually, I'd flunk you out of any expository writing class I've had.
Now tighten your shot group, and try again.
Inga: Ireland is married to a transgender woman who serves in the Army, Cpl. Laila Villanueva, and the two appeared in a 2015 New York Times documentary, “Transgender, at War and in Love.”
Is this parody? If so, it's brilliant.
"Is this parody? If so, it's brilliant."
Don't know Jason, call the Air Force Times and ask them.
Inga retorts: This is an Althouse poll. The commentariat of Althouse does not reflect the greater population of the US. As you should know Althouse commentariat is probably 90 % conservative.
We shall see if House and Senate Dems fight tooth and nail to undo Trump's policy. But do not be surprised if they do not.
Should Althouse stop doing polls because they are so meaningless?
So Althouse - how do you feel about cultivating a commentariat so dangerously ignorant as to declaim the military as a zone off-limits to "social experimentation?" Apparently they never figured out how de-segregation got started.
But at least now they have a new group to disparage and segregate us from. How lucky we are for their opinion.
So will the Democrats decline to vote for increased military appropriations because of this?
Time will tell.
"Should Althouse stop doing polls because they are so meaningless?"
Absolutely not. It's very good to see the bigotry that the commenters on this blog represent. There are days that I actually despair for this country when reading the comments by folks here, then I have to remind myself that these Althouse commenters represent only one half of America, thank God.
Inga: "Just pathetic Drago."
You most certainly are.
What's really pathetic is the absolute silence over a major mosque's imam calling for the annihilation of jews and the left is.........silent.
Because "reasons" and "shut up".
Drago is having a bad day. His President is going down in flames. Drago haz the sads. Drago represents the very worst of the Althouse commentariat.
Inga: "His President is going down in flames."
LOL
According to you, every single day for the last 18 months Trump was going down in flames.
Every single day is a new "low" for Trump.
Every single day we encounter the "thing" that will end Trump.
At some point, one has to ask how it is that this can be true every single day month after month after month after.......
Not to worry. There will be something new tomorrow.
Now, about that imam calling for the annihilation of jews, do you happen to have any criticism of him to offer?
Of course not.
Of course.
All the same commenter:
SockPuppet#55,
Louisa Wurlitzer,
Fenne,
WillySunday,
WL,
Bill,
BillySaturday,
LW,
Unknown,
Willy,
Yes, I'm Inga, no I'm not Trumpit.,
HRM William,
WillRobinson,
Unknown#1,
Robin's son.
Just FYI.
Paco Wove,
So what? I might just add a few more to keep you on your toes. You're like the yenta of Althouse.
Inga, I do not approve of this kind of clutter. You are making many comments that are not substantive but are about displaying yourself in a cutesy attention-getting way. I need you to delete your frivolous posts here. There is a topic under discussion and it is not your name or your persona. I am close to regarding you as a bad faith commenter. You need to improve your participation and I think you already knew that. Enough is enough. Get on topic and quit the boring self-promotion .
LLR: "What I am hearing is that none of the Joint Chiefs were in on the Trump announcement before the Tweet went out."
LOL
Well, what I'm hearing is that the entire senior leadership team at the Pentagon agreed with this decision but that given the current state of our political environment with the leftists going insane and getting succor from their lifelong republican allies the military leaders wanted the CIC to make the announcement.
I'll bet this policy has massive approval amongst the active duty members.
So, once again, our LLR is a pitch perfect gauge that is 180 degrees out of sync with reality.
So the new policy, how it was announced and by whom is clearly the correct policy and the means of delivering the message were spot on.
Spot. On.
FYI, putting Chuck into KillFile has helped improve the quality of the back-and-forth.
Not going to killfile Unknown Inga, sunsong, or harrogate though. They improve the conversation with their arguments.
Chuck, if you're listening, you might want to take note. Your comments are completely useless.
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