January 21, 2017

The Women's March in Madison.

At the state capitol today:

Women's March, Madison

The photos are all by my son Chris, not me.

Let's close in on the "Forward" statue — often seen in my old pictures of the Wisconsin protests of 2011. Today, it had on a "pussy hat":

Women's March, Madison

I was critiquing a Women's March poster earlier today — one that was way too complicated — and I said: "Keep it simple. Pick one idea and present it clearly." So I was pleased to see this image:

Women's March, Madison

The Fallopian tube is giving the finger. And it's saying "Boy, Bye," which obviously means about the same thing as giving someone the finger — brusque rejection. If you know the  Beyoncé song, "Sorry," it calls to mind the lyric:
Middle fingers up, put them hands high
Wave it in his face, tell him, boy, bye
Tell him, boy, bye, boy, bye, middle fingers up
I ain't thinking 'bout you
I'm reading the placard to mean: Get government out of my uterus. The "boy" is Trump and the sign is warning him away from any impingement on the female body. This is a good, straightforward message, and I agree with it.

I do see 2 problems:

1. One might read the "boy" as an unwanted child, waved "bye" through abortion. That's unfortunately mean and not helpful to the abortion rights cause. Abortion is better presented as the woman's choice about what do with her body, not any hatred toward the unborn.

2. The message Get government out of my uterus is a compelling libertarian message, but the Women's March may be seen as demanding more than the continued protection of reproductive freedom (which Trump does endanger, since he's said he wants a Supreme Court that will overturn Roe v. Wade). Here's a list of the Women's March "unity principles," and it is not a "boy, bye" to the government. It's demanding that the government get very involved in women's bodies:
We do not accept any federal, state or local rollbacks, cuts or restrictions on our ability to access quality reproductive healthcare services, birth control, HIV/AIDS care and prevention, or medically accurate sexuality education. This means open access to safe, legal, affordable abortion and birth control for all people, regardless of income, location or education.
It's more of a "hi" than a "bye" — more of a hi, get in here and never go away. If that's your message, that Fallopian tube ought to be waving furiously.

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Jason said...

1 is exactly how I read it.

ALP said...

Too bad this women's march is only made possible by the use of dozens, probably hundreds, of tools, objects, etc...invented by and developed by men!

Jim at said...

Yawn.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Boy, bye!
Also: boy, buy (me all the things I want)!
I am a strong, independent woman who don't need no man.
Also: you must give me your money to purchase things for myself and if you object you hate women.
Women are exasctly equal and also deserve extra.
Feminism!

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Further to all the talk about the size if the marches today, does anyone imaging e if t parties were Reese's we'd b seeing comparisons to Nazi marches/rallies, clips of Triumph if the Will intercut with rally clips, etc?

Remember when Trump's giant rallies didn't mean anything? Suddenly big rallies matter and mean something. Funny.

Gahrie said...

(which Trump does endanger, since he's said he wants a Supreme Court that will overturn Roe v. Wade).

Aw c'mon Althouse, even an abortion absolutists such as you apparently are, who has taught Constitutional law, has to admit that Roe is a terrible decision based on absurd "reasoning" and worse science that in a failed attempt to support the desired outcome. It is embarrassing to say the least.

I thought you were abusing the 14th Amendment to create the "Right" to an abortion now anyway........

Gahrie said...

Abortion is better presented as the woman's choice about what do with her body, not any hatred toward the unborn.

Even though Feminists now routinely express such hatred, especially towards boys, routinely in their writing.

stever said...

Jim at -wins the thread

Clayton Hennesey said...

There seems to be a great deal of yearning in these marchers as displayed through their posters and signs (here and elsewhere) that Trump acknowledge both that they have a pussy, an important pussy, but most importantly a pussy that he will never, ever be allowed to grab. If any theme unifies this march it is this: my anonymous pussy is now of national importance.

Meanwhile, few if any truly valuable and important women are to be found in this march, because they know their true value, known that it is more than a lonesome pussy, and that this march is not a rational deployment of that holistic female value.

Instead, they're at work in the West Wing, or in close proximity, or hip deep in politics, Democrat or Republican, or industry, or true philanthropy, (or blogging here), not frittering away their true female value.

The other 85%, or at least the progressive portion of that, does the only thing they can do instead: draw national attention to the pussies that apparently far too few have yearned to grab or even acknowledged.

Phil 3:14 said...

"Abortion rates in the United States are at their lowest in 40 years, according to a new report from the Guttmacher Institute. In 2011, the U.S. abortion rate was 16.9 abortions per every 1,000 women aged 15 to 44, the lowest it's been since abortion was legalized in 1973."

This is good right?

Bob Ellison said...

I watched a couple of hours of the march, I guess-- mostly the speeches from the stage. A few songs, lots of speeches etc. The engine was mostly heterosexual-white-man-hatred, interspersed with "you are not alone" chants. One woman did a chant on that, something like if you're a woman, or LGBT, or undocumented, then know this: you are not alone. Another speaker said something like we women brought this world into being, and we can bring it back out.

That's nice.

Angela Davis spoke. Madonna blurted, and Alicia Keyes, bespoke and woke, spoke and sang. "This Girl Is on Fire". Yeah, she admitted on NPR last year or so that it was basically an admiration of herself. She tried today to make it into an anthem of womanhood. So womanhood is egotism.

Portraying the misogynistic cliche is not a good way to go, honey.

Phil 3:14 said...

"which Trump does endanger, since he's said he wants a Supreme Court that will overturn Roe v. Wade"

Wouldn't that be true of any Republican who won the highest office?

Dust Bunny Queen said...

I am totally confused by this march protest.

What in the WORLD are they protesting against? Trump was a crude horn dog back when he was younger? So??? Who wasn't. Do these people even live in the real world?

Roe vs Wade? Nothing has happened yet. Save your angst for fighting that fight IF or when it happens. Birth Control? Seriously? It is basically free and many want to make it OTC.

What the Hell do they think they are accomplishing other than making themselves look like ridiculous women unable to rationally control themselves or logically discuss their complaints (whatever those actually are). They are embarrassing themselves and other women who don't have the time or energy or money to make these stupid protests. Women who are working, raising families, having lives and just trying to get along.

And....those stupid pussy hats are also an embarrassment. Not only are they from a ridiculously easy stupid pattern that a first grader could make.....they make you look like a pink version of Batman. Batman is a powerful figure who does powerful things. You look like idiots in those retarded hats.

Gahrie said...

This is good right?

sure ...but how about these numbers?

The Abortion Surveillance report published by the CDC, for which the latest abortion numbers are for 2011, show there were 76,251 abortions in New York City that year.

For that total, 9,550 abortions were of white babies, which is 12.5% of the total; 35,188 babies were black (46.1% of total); 23,959 were Hispanic (31.4%); and another 7,554 “other” abortions, 9.9%, which includes Asians and Native Americans, as well as those babies not reported by race.

Abortions of black and Hispanic babies combined totaled 59,147 – that is 77.56% of the total abortions in NYC.

Blacks, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, make up 25.5% of the population of New York City, and Hispanics comprise 28.6% of the NYC population. Despite those population percentages, blacks make up 46.1% of the abortions, and Hispanics, 31.4%.

While whites comprise 44% of the NYC population, they made up 12.5% of total abortions in that city.

That total for one city, 76,251 babies killed, surpasses the number of abortions of any state reporting, according to the CDC.


In 2012, black women in New York City aborted over 6,500 more children than they gave birth to. Data from the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene shows that, among non-hispanic black women, there were 31,328 “induced terminations” to 24,758 live births

Somewhere, Margaret Sanger is smiling.......

Steve Uhr said...

The size of the peaceful protests in so many locations around the world was refreshing and encouraging. Freedom and liberty in action.

Paddy O said...

So, there are people who don't like Trump?

Why didn't they make an appearance during this past year?

If they didn't want him to be President we should have arranged a way for them to see how many share their ideas about him.

This is why I do not support appointing Presidents by divine selection. We don't know what people think until afterward.

hawkeyedjb said...

So pretty much like all lefty marches: gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme. Go to work to pay for your birth control? Fuck that.

Big Mike said...

1. One might read the "boy" as an unwanted child, waved "bye" through abortion.

That's how a reasonable person would read it. If the woman wanted to say "Trump bye" she could have written "Trump bye."

That's unfortunately mean and not helpful to the abortion rights cause.

If women don't want to hurt their own cause they should use their silly heads for something besides giving bl*w j*bs.

Abortion is better presented as the woman's choice about what do with her body, not any hatred toward the unborn.

Where've you been, Althouse? Hatred towards the unborn is precisely what 21st century abortion is all about. A woman's choice is what Roe was all about. The abortion movement has evolved. Or devolved, perhaps.

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buwaya said...

A bit like old times then?
Anyone seem familiar?

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Althouse's # 2 point is the one that I thought of as well.

We don't want the government in our wombs, telling us what to do with our bodies....BUT....we want the taxpayers to pay for our decisions by subsidizing PP, forcing insurers and employers to pay for birth control and abortions.....and making laws that require the Government to be involved in reproductive decisions.

Incoherent.

Sebastian said...

"Angela Davis spoke." Because what America needs is more "intersectional feminism" (her words!), advocated by a proud winner of the Lenin Prize.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

"Don't objectify or essentilize me; as a woman I am more than my body parts!"

"OK everybody, don't forget your pussy hats! Let's never make a reference to ourselves not an argument without reference to our anatomy."

America's Politico said...

As Y'all know, I am top consultant - everyone wants me to give them advice, so that they win! I was attending the March in DC as part of my consultancy. Well, it was packed but very little diversity - in terms of color, speakers, geographic region of participants, etc. Most people were highly educated coastal folks who voted for the Queen HRC. Most speakers talked about how black women did the right thing (by voting for HRC) and how they are also marching for the women who voted for DJT. They talked about bodies, as Prof mentioned. After 4-5 hours of presentations, I just had enough content/context to help my clients on their upcoming '18 elections.

The images will show impact. The numbers will show impact. But, in diversity of thought, geography, color, economic circumstances, etc., it failed spectacularly. It also failed as speakers used bad language and crude generalizations for everyone in GOP or who voted for Trump.

NB: The next POTUS will certainly be a woman. That is a guarantee. The fact that DJT/Pence are both white men is a sure sign that it is a 1-term admin. This cannot be changed!

So, who is next POTUS (Female)? Is it Warren from MA, Amy from MN, or Kamala from CA?

Start your predictions now!

Big Mike said...

If it's the "Women's March" then what are so many men doing there? Guys, I don't care how hard up you are, I just can't see that a Women's March is a great place to pick up chicks.

Jim said...

"Abortion is better presented as the woman's choice about what do with her body, not any hatred toward the unborn."...sorry Ann, but in a pregnancy there are 2 bodies and the one that is aborted doesn't have a choice. That is pure hatred IMO

Anglelyne said...

There is such a thing as over-analyzing the words and actions of really silly people.

They'd be annoying enough if they were college-age women - hey, they're young, whatever. But if you're middle-aged or old and think you're doing something meaningful and effective by knitting pink "pussy-hats" and prancing around the public square with juvenile placards, you're just kinda pathetic. I'm embarrassed for you. Some people are really lacking in any sense of their own dignity.

At least they're keeping their clothes on. I guess we can be grateful for that.

Rob said...

This is the sign that caught my attention (not in Madison): "Make them pay for razors if we pay for tampons." But men do pay for razors. Gracie Allen lives!

Big Mike said...

@America's Politco, you could be right, but I think not. It's the "mean girls" syndrome. The sort of women at the March in DC would never dream of voting for a Republican woman, no matter how qualified she is (i.e., the Republican is not part of their "in" clique). But Republican women get that, and they're going to return the favor by not voting for a hard core lefty female. So there's the stalemate.

If Trump's economy is ticking along at a 4% growth rate and white working class women are able to stay home with their kids because their husbands are no longer restricted to 29 hours a week, then I do not expect Trump to be a one-termer.

buwaya said...

I want to be more charitable than some here I think.
This does not have to make sense. Very few political movements make sense, if you go by whats on their signs. You cannot extract a piece of viable legislation from protesters signs.
All these functions are for is propaganda, of a very general sort. These are a show of force, of intimidation, and of safety in numbers.

We hate X, we are many, support X and fear us, oppose X and you can do do safely.

This is a, or probably the, reason why the left goes out of its way to shut down right wing manifestations in colleges. If the right can't show its numbers they can be intimidated.

Unknown said...

Just think if all of these social justice warriors took the dollars they spent today and put it in a trust, the problem of abortion access to poor folks would probably be solved. Of course they wouldn't have had as good a time and they wouldn't have gotten someone else to pay for it. Maybe some of the stars could chip in dollars instead of accusing Ivanka of screwing her dad and baron being autistic or a future mass murderer.

Fuck em.

Lyin'PB_Ombudsman said...

"1 is exactly how I read it."

I think this so called number 1 option, says a ton about folks who believe this.

The folks who believe that women are into murdering their own kids tell us a lot about how much we should regard re disregard whatever they believe/say/support.

Carry on.

Big Mike said...

@Anglelyne, as long as they keep holding these marches in winter there's no fear of topless protest marches.

Seeing Red said...

Ti love the "We are the majority" sign.

Evita still couldn't win.

As a female, I wouldn't vote for any of those choices.

Seeing Red said...

I can't believe Davis is still alive!

Bob Ellison said...

There were also people holding up placards of depictions of a woman's genitalia.

Georgia O'Keefe was wrong, honey. The imagery really doesn't work. We men are often comfortable with the notion that the stuff isn't pretty to look at.

Try something more direct. Draw Gloria Steinem knifing the tires of a bicycle under a fish.

No, that's wrong. Maybe Darth Vader raping Chewbacca.

No, still wrong, though I like the mixed-species and homosexual angle.

I've got it! Make the World Hermaphroditic, Like Earthworms. It's gold! Set it to music and call the PTO, stat!

buwaya said...

And I still dont get the hats.
They just dont look like a ....

Dust Bunny Queen said...

At least they're keeping their clothes on. I guess we can be grateful for that.

@ Anglelyne

I read your post to my husband and he laughed at that last line and said...."Woah. Talk about birth control! I appreciate a naked woman as much as anyone but Liberal women are not very attractive and a bunch of them naked!.... That will wilt your willie like nobodies business."

fivewheels said...

Today I marched on Arby's and demanded curly fries. I got them. I accomplished more than a million marchers today.

Paul Snively said...

Dr. Althouse: The message Get government out of my uterus is a compelling libertarian message...

No, it isn't, cf. the late Nat Henthoff. "You don't get to exercise any of your natural rights if you're murdered before birth, and murder is the clearest example there is of violating the non-aggression principle" is a compelling libertarian message.

Seeing Red said...

We are past the point of presenting it as a woman's choice about what to do with her body.


Outside of rape and incest, we know what they did with their body.

Unless it was Immaculate Conception.

Put in the Norplant, cup, tie your tubes, take a pill, but do something. They all can't fail.

This isn't the 50s.

Lyin'PB_Ombudsman said...

"Today I marched on Arby's and demanded curly fries. I got them. I accomplished more than a million marchers today."

Today I marched on Arby's and demanded curly fries. But I didn't get them. It turns out that not marching, and instead being a reasonable person would have resulted in curly fries.

Just Sayin.

Gusty Winds said...

Dear Lord, please bless my daughter and guide her on her journey to becoming a strong independent woman. But if she turns out to be anything like Madonna or Ashley Judd, take me to heaven quickly. Amen

Seeing Red said...

Part of Feminism was standing on your own two feet and being responsible.

Now it's free stuff, mean girls, drama queens, and sacrificing females to power, access and money.

exiledonmainstreet said...

DBQ, here's a picture that will work better than "Sorry, honey I have a headache" as far as killing male lust goes:

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/Womens%20march%201.jpg

Honestly, I don't know what that biddy is worried about. Nobody's going anywhere near it!

Big Mike said...

And as to overturning Roe v. Wade, if Hillary Clinton can ignore stare decisis and assert her right to install judges who will overturn Heller and Citizens United, then it seems to me that Roe rightly ought to be vulnerable too. Maybe someone should have told Hillary to shut up when they had the chance? Too late now!

I write this as a person who supports Roe, but has not objection to reasonable restrictions that make the practice safer for women (e.g., requiring abortion clinics to meet outpatient clinic standards).

Lyin'PB_Ombudsman said...

Right DBQ,

Libs are ugly. And hot gals are cons.

Also, lib dudes have small dicks. Cons are huge.

Carry on.

America's Politico said...


No, Big Mike. There is no stalemate. In 2020, GOP women will stay home and not vote for two white men! This is same as those who stayed home and did not vote for HRC.

The 2020 is going to hit GOP like 2-by-4.

Trump made a major mistake by not including more/and more women of color in cabinet. But, this shows to GOP women in 2020, that GOP has no bench! Just like Dems did not have a bench after Hillary!

What happened to Dems will happen to GOP in 2020, but even more brutal - they lose electoral college and popular vote.

Remember: You heard here first on this fine blog by the top, the best, the most fantastic, consultant!

I pick Warren to run on the ticket, and be the next POTUS. Amy from MN will most likely be her VP. Two women versus two aging white men. The GOP defeat will be so huge, like an earthquake, they lose it all - WH, House, and Senate!

mockturtle said...

Wow, some of those women are sporting full beards! I guess they are successful transgenders. Amazing what a little 'T' tweaking will do.

Comanche Voter said...

We do not accept reality and we are going to march and hold our breath until our faces turn blue! Spoken like a three year having a temper tantrum.

Larry J said...

I've been voting since 1976. It sucks when your candidate loses. I get that. It happens about half the time in presidential elections. Since 1952, the presidency has changed party every 8 years with but two exceptions (1980 & 1988). When your side loses, it sucks but then you get on with your life. If politics is so important to you that you fall to pieces when your side is defeated, perhaps it's time to reevaluate your priorities.

Seeing Red said...

Two women?

Granny isn't aging, she's aged!

Dust Bunny Queen said...

@ PBJ
Libs are ugly. And hot gals are cons.

My husband's observation. When it comes to what is attractive to him, I will defer to his expert opinion.

Also, lib dudes have small dicks. Cons are huge.

To avoid the risk of creating chaos at home, I refuse to weigh in on this data point :-)

mockturtle said...

Ann's uterus may belong to her but the living contents of it are not hers to dispose of.

LilyBart said...

I'm tired of people saying that access to healthcare = getting your neighbors (taxpayers) to pay for it.

I want the 'choice' not to pay for your abortion.

Unknown said...

"We do not accept any federal, state or local rollbacks, cuts or restrictions on our ability to access quality reproductive healthcare services, birth control, HIV/AIDS care and prevention, or medically accurate sexuality education."

Who pays for it?

n.n said...

Hate Loves Abortion

n.n said...

They chose. She conceived. She aborted.

tcrosse said...

If Roe v Wade were overturned, would abortion still be legal in Wisconsin ?
Does Federalism apply ?

n.n said...

The Choice is to deny life unworthy with a notorious history.

n.n said...

We desperately need education reform. The progress of the twilight fantasy is a stark reminder of weird and depraved ideologies.

Laslo Spatula said...

I am fine with women marching.

If they are on their feet they are not driving.

Because: women drivers.

Obvious.

I am Laslo.

jaydub said...

Looking at the photos of this Madison march and the ones from Washington in the Mail-Online newspaper I came to realize I haven't seen photos with such an expanse of white skin in them since those of the Nuremburg rallies in 1939. Has there been an Aryan prerequisite added for admission to the feminist movement?

n.n said...

Elective abortion, [class] diversity, and Planned Parenthood's Mengele division (a progressive conflict of interest) have histories conceived and born in bigotry. Only the Chinese left-wing have matched its quality and may have exceed its scope.

n.n said...

Trump made a private observation about the inequity of liberal culture and for that he is the target of social justice adventurism.

Paul Zrimsek said...

Anyone else remembering this meme?

MaxedOutMama said...

One good thing about a Trump presidency is that we will have plenty of controversy. If that controversy can only spill over into the media in the form of actual policy debates, this election will have helped the country a great deal.

I am not personally concerned about the whole abortion thing because I do not perceive that any conceivable SC panel of justices will overthrow the basics of the current legal framework on abortion.

Lyin'PB_Ombudsman said...

"Trump made a private observation about the inequity of liberal culture and for that he is the target of social justice adventurism."

Was that his, not too private, Twitter observation re that Twilight gal:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kristen-stewart-donald-trump-twilight-tweets_us_5883dd8ae4b096b4a2324704?8hquosdg7hdoyldi

Seeing Red said...

Since when did good schools, safe streets nd jobs not be one women's issues?


Buh-bye George Will from Fox!

mockturtle said...

I do not perceive that any conceivable SC panel of justices will overthrow the basics of the current legal framework on abortion.

Double entendre intended? ;-)

Seeing Red said...

Roe would go back to the states.

Lyin'PB_Ombudsman said...

Or, was it this observation:

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-twitter-jon-stewart-2013-5



BTW, it's cool that cons need to pretend this dude has not demonstrated unhinged-ness. Presumably, y'all are hoping he'll come through for ya (w/ no abortion, taking away gov benefits from moochers, cutting regulations, and lowering (assuming they're paying any today) taxes for rich folks (i.e. job creators)), so you need to pretend there aren't red flags.

Time will tell if that works out better than trusting W did.

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Bill, Republic of Texas said...

Roe would go back to the states

Wouldn't that be a very good thing for the Dems? I think you'd see a huge surge of Dem govs and lawmakers elected to ensure legal abortion.

I guess after a few years we'd reach an agreed resolution of the abortion issue. So in the long run probably bad for the Dems.

Sorry. Just thinking out loud .

Kevin said...

When you're a star their Fallopian tubes start waving furiously.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Roe would go back to the states.

Roe SHOULD go back to the States. Same thing for Education and many other departments/issues. These sweeping one size fits all decisions (like the Obamacare policies) by the Federal Government are a big part of the problems and why people are so annoyed with government.

TwilightofLiberty.com said...

Prayers for all the sandwiches that were not made and kitchens that stood empty and unused today.

Michael McClain said...

Next time any of them want a spider killed or dog poop in the yard scooped, they can do it themselves.

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Lewis Wetzel said...


The people won't tolerate a man who may be an agent of a foreign power as president.
Oh, don't be ridiculous, LW. Despite Obama clearly being an agent of the Iranians (Valerie Jarrett? Hello?), you voted for him x 2.

LW said...


There have been questions about what the purpose for these massive marches are. To be completely honest, I believe they are pushback by the majority for what was a fraudulent election of an illegitimate president. Women's issues are just a part of this, as he is a known misogynist and possibly worse. I know that there are millions of people who want to lay waste to this administration. We want an American president who hasn't been co opted by a foreign power, especially one like Russia. Americans who are patriotic in their hearts (as Trump says) will keep protesting and marching until this fraud is gone and our government is out of his dirty hands. This is part of what the "Resistance" is all about. The man is morally reprehensible, even without being a traitor.

With the investigations into possible collusion between Trump and Putin with intercepts showing an exchange of monies between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign I think that we may see the end of Trump this year. If he nixes or interferes with the federal agencies that are investigating him, the American people will bring back what resembles the Vietnam War protests. Protests are what eventually helped end the Vietnam war.

The people won't tolerate a man who may be an agent of a foreign power as president.

n.n said...

Lyin'PB_Ombudsman:

You defend denying life unworthy? Planned Parenthood? Baby trials?

Do you also oppose revitalization, rehabilitation, and reconciliation? This is the path to sustainable development, leading people out of poverty, mitigating progressive corruption, and overcoming the reconstitution of [class] diversity.

Perpetual smoothing functions are a lucre for the Left, and a first-order cause of spiritual destruction and progressive corruption.

Perhaps Obama's progressive wars, extrajudicial trials, refugee crises, and the rise of global left-wing anti-nativism.

That said, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and suggest that we may be pursuing the same goals along different paths. I have posted my principles, methods, and goals enough times. Will you reciprocate?

Hagar said...

First time I have seen political rallies - at least of this size - held after an election.

And across the world too.
Well, I guess they cannot be said to be interfering in our election now, though it still is meddling in our domestic affairs.

But here, or abroad, just what do they think these hissy fits will achieve?

Steven Davis said...

LW said: The people won't tolerate a man who may be an agent of a foreign power as president.

We said the same about Obama with far more evidence, and were ridiculed.

exiledonmainstreet said...

" I believe they are pushback by the majority for what was a fraudulent election of an illegitimate president."

No, they are cry bully tantrums by childish leftists in blue states and cities because an election didn't go their way.

" he is a known misogynist and possibly worse."

And the thought of letting Billy Jeff back in the WH didn't bother you one bit.

As Hillary's husband would say, "You'd better put some ice on that."

Marc Puckett said...

"... (N)ot any hatred toward the unborn." Here, we kill out of mercy, and compassion, and the desire to do good; no libido dominandi here, no.

But I'm happy that they can assemble, over there, to announce to us their opinions, sure. There was an intelligent essay by classics professor Dr Joy Connolly in the Village Voice on Tuesday about Mr Trump as demagogue. [https://goo.gl/CMPyN5]

(For some reason, I can no longer go from Preview to Publish [bad result!, it says], nor can I get the system to let me hyperlink.)

Lewis Wetzel said...

Blogger Dust Bunny Queen said...
. . .
Roe SHOULD go back to the States. Same thing for Education and many other departments/issues

The feds don't even allow states to have separate restrooms for men and women anymore.
I guess that was part of what some bozos think of as the expansion of civil rights under Obama!
Thank God Obama didn't expand our civil rights any more or we'd all be subject to a Justice Department directive!

Lewis Wetzel said...

Obama delivering pallets of benjamins and gold to the mullahs on secret air flights in return for . . . nothing. Where's the congressional sign off on that?
You should try looking at this rationally, LW.

tcrosse said...

I pick Warren to run on the ticket, and be the next POTUS. Amy from MN will most likely be her VP. Two women versus two aging white men. The GOP defeat will be so huge, like an earthquake, they lose it all - WH, House, and Senate!
That vote-your-vagina thinking is what put us where we are. Rethink.

n.n said...

Trump exposed the weird and depraved underbelly of liberal culture. He was targeted by the Left to hide their collusion with foreign interests, including Russians. He was smeared for standing his ground against efforts to disenfranchise American citizens by domestic and foreign JournoLists and government agents. Then there was Clinton's Water Closet that exposed rampant [class] diversity and anti-nativism by Democrat elites, which was confirmed by the bigotry and violence of their foot soldiers on inauguration day.

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LW said...

You people who saidamd thought Obama was an agent of a foreign power had no reason to do so and there was no intelligence to that fact. Not so with Trump. There is way too much smoke for no fire. The demonization of President Obama was completely uncalled for and promulgated by the fraud Trump who tried to paint him as illegitimate, as someone not born here. Ironic that it is probably Trump who is the illegitimate president.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

No, they are cry bully tantrums by childish leftists in blue states and cities because an election didn't go their way.


Exactly. Tantrums. Toddler mentality.

You know what a wise parent does with tantrums. Let the crying kicking toddler just lay there and expend all their energy in fruitless tantrum theatrics.

My daughter used to throw tantrums. Used to is the operative word. That phase lasted for a couple of months. I would ignore the tantrum, unless she was actually going to accidentally hurt herself then I would intervene to keep her from getting hurt, move the item getting ready to fall on her.

Basically the script was...throw herself on the floor, cry, thrash etc. I would get up, quietly step over her and go sit in another room and look at a magazine. She would get up, after noticing that there wasn't an audience, go into the other room, throw herself on the floor and dramatically proceed to tantrum. I get up...go into the other room....rinse and repeat. Until she was totally worn out. NO words are spoken by me. No yelling. No threats. Just move and ignore. It is hard to do that because you WANT to yell and threaten.

Once she was totally worn out, I would ask. Are you done now? And then we would talk about what was going on and why she STILL wasn't going to get the freaking cookie until AFTER dinner....or whatever the power struggle was all about.

This is what we need to do with these adult toddlers.

exiledonmainstreet said...

BTW, I like the sign (partially cut off in the last picture) that presumably reads "I'll grab my own pussy, thank you very much."

Women are normally not eager to publicly confess that their own love life is strictly do-it-yourself.

rhhardin said...

It's an ectopic finger.

chickelit said...

I think you're wrong about that hysterical message, Althouse. Any message that depends on "understanding" Beyoncé's lyrics is a message fail because it doesn't reach an audience beyond those people already convinced. People like me who are targeted are offended and take the second "unfortunate" meaning that you proposed.

These women's marches are basically a big feel-good wienie roast for uppity females.

mockturtle said...

Roe would go back to the states.

Totally. As should education.

LW said...

I hate to insult you Trump voters, but damn you people are either stupid or under Trump's spell. Maybe his powers of persuasion are real. Nah, you're probably just so investited in your deeply held prejudices and bigotry that you'll forgive anything that Trump would do, even treason. What does that make you?

rhhardin said...

As the woman says to her husband in the New Yorker cartoon, "Now, don't try to reason with me."

Known Unknown said...

"which Trump does endanger, since he's said he wants a Supreme Court that will overturn Roe v. Wade"

I don't believe this one bit. It was probably routine political pandering. Trump isn't much of an ideologue.

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Lewis Wetzel said...


Blogger LW said...
. . .
as someone not born here.

How did Obama know that he was born "here", LW?
Just curious. Some people think we should take his word his word on it, which is ridiculous. Obama doesn't remember being born anywhere.

mockturtle said...

DBQ: You mean like this?

toddler tantrum ignored

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n.n said...

Holding rites in abortion chambers has a notorious history steeped in [class] diversity, twilight fantasies, and Pro-Choice religious/moral philosophies. Never again.

rhhardin said...

I think it's a march in support of political correctness.

damikesc said...

There is a simple issue:

Protests BEFORE anything has happened are just a temper tantrum. Nothing more.

And if Trump does something they truly find egregious, how will you know the difference, since we can already see that they will have massive protests over, literally, nothing.

And given her lifestyle, if women wish to portray Beyonce as some feminist, then the concept of feminism means nothing.

2. The message Get government out of my uterus is a compelling libertarian message, but the Women's March may be seen as demanding more than the continued protection of reproductive freedom (which Trump does endanger, since he's said he wants a Supreme Court that will overturn Roe v. Wade). Here's a list of the Women's March "unity principles," and it is not a "boy, bye" to the government. It's demanding that the government get very involved in women's bodies:
We do not accept any federal, state or local rollbacks, cuts or restrictions on our ability to access quality reproductive healthcare services, birth control, HIV/AIDS care and prevention, or medically accurate sexuality education. This means open access to safe, legal, affordable abortion and birth control for all people, regardless of income, location or education. It's more of a "hi" than a "bye" — more of a hi, get in here and never go away. If that's your message, that Fallopian tube ought to be waving furiously.


I do get the concern --- but we HAD perfectly legal abortion before Roe v Wade. I don't think a federal policy works for it. Allowing states to make the choice that is best for them sounds like the best policy. And it drops one of the more ludicrously tortured decisions ever.

But this has not happened. And Trump cannot make it happen.

And, let it be known, Judd was far more obscene than anything Trump has said.

And if these women think the most important thing about themselves is their possession of a vagina, as a man, what value am I supposed to assign to them? How can I value these women for their minds, etc when the only things they PRESENT to the world is that they have vaginas. Which I did not, at any point, doubt they had.

Tragic that women's rights could only be protected by placing a criminal in the WH...

rhhardin said...

The truth will make you politically correct.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

America's Politico said: The next POTUS will be a woman.

President Haley; that does have a nice ring.

Drago said...

LW: "You people who saidamd thought Obama was an agent of a foreign power had no reason to do so and there was no intelligence to that fact."

False premise.

All else ignored.

AprilApple said...

DBQ

What in the WORLD are they protesting against? Trump was a crude horn dog back when he was younger? So??? Who wasn't. Do these people even live in the real world?

Good point. Remember when Madonna was a crude horn dog? It's OK when she does it.

exiledonmainstreet said...

I was never a birther but I never understood why being one was called "racism." There is nothing wrong with being born in Kenya, or wherever people said Obama was born; it just would have disqualified him for the presidency, in the same way Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jennifer Granholm are automatically disqualified from running. I recall questions coming up about McCain and Cruz on exactly the same grounds.

It was silly because there were many other reasons to question Obama's fitness for the job, but it's only racist if you consider any criticism of Obama to be racist - and of course, many liberals did, just like they called any criticism of Hill sexist. It's ultimately counterproductive because it will make people wary of voting for any Dem who belongs to one of the Dem's pet groups.

Hagar said...

Or another frightening thought:
Is this the opening of the 2020 campaign?

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chickelit said...

@America's Politico: The Dems might just be stupid enough to run Hillary Clinton again in 2020. They haven't ruled her out, have they? I am willing to stand corrected.

mockturtle said...

Exiled explains: Women are normally not eager to publicly confess that their own love life is strictly do-it-yourself.

You know what they say: Sex is a lot like bridge. If you don't have a good partner, you'd better have a good hand.

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Bay Area Guy said...

Is it me or are these some seriously unattractive women at this March?

chickelit said...

rhhardin said...I think it's a march in support of political correctness.

Succinct and probably true.

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AprilApple said...

The Dems might be desperate to drag an old crotchety femi-prog across the finish line in 4 years - the rest of the nation? Probably not.

Lewis Wetzel said...

The birther thing is interesting because both sides take absurd positions.
Suppose it is 2010 and you got your hands on evidence that Obama was really born in Kenya and so is not eligible to become president. A Kenyan doctor's certificate that passes forensics, witnesses, etc. What do you think will happen? You show the evidence to the cops or the FBI and they drive up to the White House and emerge with Obama, The Pretender, in handcuffs? "And I would've have gotten away with it, if it weren't for those birthers!" He says as they stuff him in a squad car and take him to the airport for a one way trip to Nairobi.
Or the other side believing that the evidence is irrefutable that the Obama who moved into the White House is the same Obama that was born in Kapiolani Children's hospital in 1961? Like it says in Wikipedia and his official bio? I mean, Obama doesn't remember, he's going by word of mouth and secondary sources about the time and place of his birth, like everyone else, including me.
I was born in Minneapolis at General hospital. If someone came up to me with evidence or a theory he said proved I was really born somewhere else, or that the person named on the genuine birth certificate with my name on it wasn't really me, I might think that they were crazy, but I'd be interested in seeing why they believed what they believed. I wouldn't think they were an evil person with no grip on reality.

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rhhardin said...

It's disappointing to see Julia Roberts there, looking good by the way, that is, the way she looks on screen.

Eat, Pray, Love ought to have been a warning, I guess. I skipped out of it with polite silence at the time. Maybe it was just bad writing, I thought; or for women.

Lewis Wetzel said...

I have a Trump wig left over from Halloween. I would have loved to put it on and wade into that mob of maenads. "Make way, bitches! Daddy's home!"

rhhardin said...

Women would have no problems if they had an estrous cycle.

Men would only notice them twice a year and they could relax.

Real American said...

Imagine how many women were denied the ability to march today because they were systematically slaughtered in their mothers' wombs for being inconvenient.

Meade said...

Jobs, safe neighborhoods, and good schools. If those 3 things improve in 3 years, men and women will march to the polls and reelect Trump in a landslide. If not, he'll be fired.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Imagine how many women were denied the ability to march today because they were systematically slaughtered in their mothers' wombs for being inconvenient.

1/21/17, 8:15 PM

"Women's health" means millions of females end up being tossed out with the trash or sold for parts by Planned Parenthood.

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chickelit said...

Jobs, safe neighborhoods, and good schools. If those 3 things improve in 3 years, men and women will march to the polls and reelect Trump in a landslide. If not, he'll be fired.

Trump stands a very good chance in 2 of the 3 -- jobs and safe neighborhoods. But improving schools will be much trickier for him because, by and large, the teachers and administrators will work against him, sabotaging improvements if necessary. For example, given what I know about my local high school, they will absolutely hate having to put up his photo anywhere near their offices, let alone follow any directive or policy suggestion. Educational improvements will become a wholly state & local level issue.

Drago said...

Meade: "Jobs, safe neighborhoods, and good schools. If those 3 things improve in 3 years, men and women will march to the polls and reelect Trump in a landslide. If not, he'll be fired."

Basically. Toss in a conservative pro-life supreme Court nominee and simply securing the border and 2020 would be set.

Lyin'PB_Ombudsman said...

Chick,

Not to mention that having more educated folks means moving folks out of DJT's base, so that could be counterproductive anyway. If Meade had his thinkin' cap on he'd note that more lowly educated Americans is best for DJT re reelect.

Re jobs, don't all administrations end up w/ net + numbers, because of population growth, if nothing else? So that's enough for DJT to declare a massive, unbelievable, beautiful victory.

Crime has been going down for a long time. Even if DJT can't keep the rate of decline as steady, any decline will be plenty for him to declare so much winning that folks should be sick of winning.

Anywho, using Meade's math and your comment re education, it's impossible for DJT to not be reelected. The key is to keep folks lowly educated. Ideally DJT should try to increase their numbers relative to the highly educated folks.


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Ken B said...

Why isn't "Boy, bye" with the finger not just "fuck off all males"? Seems a more straightforward reading.

Birkel said...

Democrats win the poor and the rich.
Republicans win the middle class.

Lyin'PB thinks Democrats are better educated, On average, than Republicans. I can only reason that Lyin'PB is lying or stupid.

I am placing odds at 55-45.

Laura said...

"The key is to keep folks lowly educated."

So continue the policies of the previous administration?

Keep up the fantasy that credentials equal education?

Gotcha.

Lyin'PB_Ombudsman said...

Brik,

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/

David said...

Great turnout for that march.

I wonder how many of them did not vote in November?

Lyin'PB_Ombudsman said...

Very important that loyal Trumpists fight to keep folks lowly educated.

Do your part for America, Make America Lowly Educated.

MALE

Jon Burack said...

I understand, Ann, why you say this, but I find it more than a bit chilling.

"Abortion is better presented as the woman's choice about what do with her body, not any hatred toward the unborn."

I mean, I have to wonder, why is "hatred toward the unborn" problematic, but destroying the unborn is not? I'd say anything one is prepared to destroy and claim the right to be allowed to destroy is already effectively "hated" enough, wouldn't you? What is the point of harshly judging the emotion of hatred if you've already decided that which is hated is of no moral stature whatsoever anyway? I've sometimes had to kill a wasp in my bedroom. Sometimes I do it dispassionately. But sometimes I hate the little buggers. I might even feel a bit of remorse about that, but I do not lose sleep over it. But that's because it's a wasp.

I say this as someone who is in favor of abortion rights, as long as they are properly constrained and not regarded as some sacred right. I just think people should be honest about what they are destroying when the destroy it.

As to the demonstrations regarding Trump, I find it odd that abortion and lifestyle matters have been so central to them. The hysteria about Trump is almost beyond belief in its venomous hatred of him, since we are talking about hatred. I watched the totally unhinged Ashely Judd rant as if she were Lenin urging her minions to storm the Winter Palace. If you want to task hatred, you'd be better off calling to account those who have become a total disgrace in their intemperate hostility about the outcome of a perfectly legitimate democratic election.

David said...

The Republicans need to line up behind Trump and make sure that his agenda gets passed into law during the next two years. If Trump does not deliver on his big promises, he will go down in flames in 2020, taking the party with him. If he gets a successful primary challenge, the results might be even worse. Trump can never win again on rhetoric, hope for change or novelty. (Novelty is an overlooked aspect of his success.) He must deliver decisively.

The Democrats know this and are already mounting the sabotage campaign.

The Republicans may well forget this and sabotage themselves, largely through ideological bickering. They have done it before.

AprilApple said...

Hooray for femi-terror

MikeD said...

Two recent Twitchy headlines explain all, progs are basically ignorant:

Out: New York’s wall of ‘Subway Therapy’ Post-its; In: Women’s March’s wall of maxi pads

The Triggering: Twitter CEO apologizes after Obama followers mistakenly migrated to Trump’s @POTUS feed

Birkel said...

Lyin'PB:
Am I to ignore that 538 wants to use college counties without recognizing they would contain low earners - young people - at disproportionate rates?

Tell you what, I will pretend that your statistics are genuine and accurate if you promise to *insert crude request here* and actually follow through.

As my stats professor said many years ago: "Statistics are like prisoners of war. If you beat them long enough, they tell you what you want to hear."

Paco Wové said...

"Is this the opening of the 2020 campaign?"

Of course not. That started on Nov. 9th.

David said...

Known Unknown said...
"which Trump does endanger, since he's said he wants a Supreme Court that will overturn Roe v. Wade"

I don't believe this one bit. It was probably routine political pandering.


Yeah but he did say it, and he needs to keep the base happy with his nominee.

I think John Roberts will turn out to be the biggest obstacle to overturning Roe. It would just compound the error that has already undermined the status of the court. The issue should have been resolved by legislatures and elections. In other words, politics. The Court make itself way too overtly political via Roe. But overturning it now would be even more political than the first decision. I expect Roberts to try to guide the court to a consensus that would allow more limitations on abortion, in the European model, but without eliminating the constitutional basis of the decision. More "balancing" tests, to be sure, but better than the absolutist divide we have now.

Birkel said...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/245889/voter-turnout-of-the-exit-polls-of-the-2012-elections-by-income/

2012 voters did what?
And Trump rallied poor, forgotten, white Democrats?

David said...

The "balancing" response to Roe won't be a solution if it's another 5-4 result. He needs 7 or more Justices to have a chance of reducing the politicization of the nominating process and the Court itself.

Birkel said...

David:
First Supreme Court decision political.
Reversing first Supreme Court decision EVEN MORE political.

This is the one-way ratchet the Left has used to great effect.

David said...

Birkel, your stats do not tell anything about how rich people voted. When the upper floor of your most affluent voter cohort is $100k, you are not capturing the 'rich."

Lyin'PB_Ombudsman said...

That's right Birk,

The fact (as given in my earlier link) that the most highly educated areas turned away from DJT, while the most lowly educated areas turned toward him is Fake news!

Carry on.

David said...

I'm hardly a lefty, Bickel. Of course most Constitutional decisions are political in effect if not in intent. My point is that Roberts will be concerned about the legitimacy of the court. He may not attack this problem as I predict. I am no Roberts expert. But the conundrum could lead him that way.

Birkel said...

David:
The poor vote for Democrats. That site demonstrated that premise. If you think the very wealthy do not vote for Democrats, I would like to introduce you to the FUCKING WORLD WIDE WEB.

Curious George said...

"Abortion is better presented as the woman's choice about what do with her body, not any hatred toward the unborn."

Well to the murdered baby it's all pretty much the same.

Lyin'PB_Ombudsman said...

David,

Not to mention that the conversation is education level, not income.

In fact, if Birk had bothered to read my earlier link he'd know that DJT actually did better w/ lowly educated high earners, while doing worse w/ highly educated high earners.

IOW, as I've repeated a bunch DJTer's should want to Make America Lowly Educated.

MALE!!

Birkel said...

David:
I am aware of your prior postings. But you illustrated the one-way ratchet nicely.

How does it feel to recognize how deeply the Left has penetrated your thinking about Roberts' thinking?

Birkel said...

Lyin'PB:

You do not get to decide the terms of a discussion. You may discuss what you please but I do not acquiesce to you setting the terms.

Jon Ericson said...

Pee-Wee still thinks he has a show.

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Lyin'PB_Ombudsman said...

Welcome to the Dope Show

Gretchen said...

Somehow, when they say "medically accurate sexuality education", I think they really want educators to leave out the part where people with a Y chromosome are boys, People with two X chromosomes are girls, even with surgical or hormonal intervention.

I also think they want to leave out the part about how early in embryonic development human characteristics emerge.

sunsong said...

pics from around the world

Lyin'PB_Ombudsman said...

WaPo and NYT and (now SunS's link) highlight the Paris protest.

I have some friends who (for almost four years) mostly live there, they were at the protest.

Drago said...

lyin makes the classic error of mistaking "credential" for "education".

a common mistake of the credentialed but basically stupid.

Drago said...

Once again, it is comforting to witness the lefties complete inability to receive, internalize and modify their behavior based on reality-based feedback.

to

To be honest I did not believe they would but it is comforting to receive confirmation.

Seeing Red said...

I still don't understand what the president of the USA can do to the women who protested in other countries?

Extradite them?

If American overseas, put them on a no-fly list?

Sic the IRS after them?

Mass hysteria.

And lemmings.

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Karin said...

Thanks for that, it's renewed my faith in humanity. The estimate for my own city was 75,000! It was amazing!

Birkel said...

Drago:
Lyin'PB also ignores the incentives of Democrats to have less middle class. It is in their electoral interest to have a stratified society of the very rich Democrats and the very poor Democrats.

Maybe some token, middle class, bitter, clinging, deplorables will elect a Republican in some worthless flyover state.

Seeing Red said...

And that's one off the rubs!

How dare under-credentialed proles make more than me!

I went to FITB! I have degrees!

Drago said...

There we see sunsong posting pics of leftists protesting from other nations as though that were meaningful.

Meanwhile, those American regions that voted for Trump are repelled by the behavior and message of these leftists, yet that fact never registers with sunsong or her ideological brethren and sistren.

It's really quite remarkable.

Karin said...

It's more than what he's going to do to women, the question should be, what's he going to do to our country?

Lewis Wetzel said...

Anywho, using Meade's math and your comment re education, it's impossible for DJT to not be reelected. The key is to keep folks lowly educated.
What exactly is your level of education, PB&J?

Seeing Red said...

LW must be very young.

I'm old enuf to remember Teddy K going to the commies to cut a deal to ignore Reagan.

Back then lefties slavered over the USSR.

Lyin'PB_Ombudsman said...

"What exactly is your level of education, PB&J?"

I made it through 4th grade. But, since it took me twelve years, I like to consider myself an HS grad. That's how it works, right?

Drago said...

Karin: "It's more than what he's going to do to women, the question should be, what's he going to do to our country?"

He has already told you: Americas interests first.

It's a very basic and easily digested message. Its lack of marxist underpinnings explains your befuddkement.

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Drago said...

lyin: "I made it through 4th grade. But, since it took me twelve years, I like to consider myself an HS grad. That's how it works, right"

it depends on the knowledge, experience and wisdom you have acquired in the interim.

Is this truly a an insurmountable concept for you? I fear the answer is yes.

Jon Ericson said...

Looks like we got a live one.

Lyin'PB_Ombudsman said...

Err....insur-what-able?

Slow it down a bit, bro.

Birkel said...

My edumacashun went all the way to the twenty something or another grade. I lost count after I took off me shoes and dropped trousers too.

More than 21, before the chainsaw accident and people started calling my Lefty.

Drago said...

Lewis: "What exactly is your level of education, PB&J"

They will never tell you lest they reveal how utterly inadequate (by their own gauge) their own credential level happens to be.

Most amusing is the fact that by their postings their credential level is already exposed.

Jay Elink said...

I'm always amused when so-called feminists seeking "free" and unlimited abortions keep screaming, "Fuck you!" to their opponents.

Is fucking good, or not?

exiledonmainstreet said...

"while the most lowly educated areas turned toward him"

The inner cities voted for Trump?

Seeing Red said...

DC organizer met with ex-Hamas and has family ties to terrorists?

Drago said...

lyin for instance probably posseses at best a BA in some liberal arts area. This would explain his ignorance in technical, scientific or logic areas.

Karin said...

"He has already told you: Americas interests first."

And you believe him. The America he wants to create isn't based on our traditional values as free people who enjoy the oldest democracy in the world. We don't want to be a sattelite of Russia.

Lewis Wetzel said...

"I like to consider myself an HS grad. That's how it works, right?"
Not unless you have a GED, fella.
But it's nice to see that you are mocking yourself. Usually well educated people consider it churlish to diminish a person due to their lack of education.
But even with a fourth grade education, you must realize that the most reliably democratic voting block has an education level far below that of whites. You probably also know that Hillary wishes she could have traded some of those California Hispanic votes for a few more of those hillbilly votes in PA and Ohio. I guess she has a problem with math.

Seeing Red said...

And I will never understand how supposedly educated wimmin still can't figure if you insert fig. A into fig. b you have a possibility to get fig. c.

If you don't want fig. c

take responsibility.

This isn't the 1950s.

Birkel said...

Karin:
You mean free people who are ordered by federal government to buy products? Free people who can be stoned without trial? Free people who do not merit First Amendment protections (with overturning Citizens United)? Free people in college campuses who do not deserve 4th, 5th or 8th Amendment protections?

Sign me up!!
/sarc

Seeing Red said...

Why not?

That's the world I grew up in.

At least the lefties.

Has no problem in 2012, you lefties made fun of Mitt and so did Obama when Mitt pointed it out during the election.

What's changed?

Drago said...

Karin: "And you believe him."

We will see.

Karin: "The America he wants to create isn't based on our traditional values as free people who enjoy the oldest democracy in the world."

lol

Your leftist/marxist values are not based on our traditional values. Besides, the left HATES American traditional values.

Kari n: "We don't want to be a sattelite of Russia"

lol

That certainly represents a temporary rhetorical change in western leftist thought.

In any event we kniw you are actually lying about that.

Karin said...

Stoning in America? News to me.

Lyin'PB_Ombudsman said...

I do have one non-education-credential.

I wouldn't be surprised if I'm the only one in this thread who has a class A CDL.

I'm sure I'm the only one who has a class A, but has never driven a big truck. I even took the driving part of test w/ a dully one ton and a flatbed trailer only rated for 14,000 lb.

I thought it'd be fun to have a CDL. Some of the places I live are very rural, and folks out there think that sorta thing is cool. Technically they actually see it as useful, i.e. for making a living.

Anywho, I think that thing gets me out of tickets. I almost always get out of tickets, including a couple recent times when I was doing 19 and 18 mph over the limit. I think cops may believe that tickets would affect my income, so they give me a break. OTOH, I'm not driving cars that normal folks drive, so it must be my winning personality that saves me.

I dunno

Seeing Red said...

OF COURSE you voted for Mitt in 2012 because you were so concerned about Russia then.

If not, stuff it.

They're in worse shape than we are and FRACK BABY FRACK we drain them.

Birkel said...

Richest guy in the city closest to where I grew up had a 4th grade education. He was mega-rich. He paid more in property taxes each year (back then) than an average person earns in a lifetime (today).

He made the lives of uncountable people better by means of commerce.

Capitalism can be a great equalizer when government stays out of the way.

Reduce the size, scope and importance of Leviathan.

Seeing Red said...

Our traditional values are America First.

Most came here to get away from their relatives and supposed betters.

Birkel said...

Lyin'PB:
My brother and my dad actually use their CDLs. I scoff in your general direction.

Lewis Wetzel said...

So Hillary didn't even get the vote of the majority of white women?
Darn those Russians!

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