January 14, 2017

"How could I have this much hate spewing at me, and I haven't even done anything?"

"I guess it's not like those old days when political views were your own and you had freedom of speech. ... We live in a different time now and a decision to go and do something for America is not so clear-cut anymore."

Said Jennifer Holliday, who was going to to perform at the Trump inauguration. I'm completely unsurprised that she's been bullied into withdrawing.

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tcrosse said...

They said that a Trump win would open the floodgates of Hate and Intolerance, and they were right.

Drago said...

The Stalinists are very good at show trials and making weak people perform public self-criticism.

Mustn't deviate from the leftist hive mind.

Remember, the Soviets claimed anyone who wanted personal freedom suffered from a mental disease and the entire western left sided with those Soviets.

Not much has changed.

Paul Zrimsek said...

Once again, #LoveImposesACarthaginianPeace!

Eleanor said...

The weeks since the election have put aside all doubt as to which side has the bullies.

rehajm said...

The Republicans were set to repeal the ACA until pressure cowed performers and fashionistas...

Eventually, exposure (money) will overcome pressure. Then it will be cool to cave.

rhhardin said...

There's a slot open for America's favorite entertainer, if somebody wants it.

Though who watches this stuff is a question.

Perhaps I've been pressed into too many high school band member gigs.

rhhardin said...

I could google Jennifer Holliday I suppose.

Singer? Raconteur? Stripper?

Will curiosity win over sloth.

rhhardin said...

Does Don Rickles still perform.

Owen said...

This is how you get more Trump. The Progs are burning all remaining moral capital, and it seems to me the inevitable product of the way they see the world. They have no spiritual center except their belief in secular "progress," and thus politics is existentially important, and winning is essential. All of their emotional energy goes into winning, and hating with great self-righteousness whatever might oppose them. The world is black and white. The Two-Minute Hate is real.

But most of us aren't like that, and aren't ready to go there. So as they reveal themselves, and force us to choose, they marginalize themselves.

But it will take time and cost us all dearly.

rhhardin said...

Get John McCain to tell war stories.

Rick said...

More love Trumping hate.

You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means.

rhhardin said...

The Brave One (Jodie Foster 2007) wasn't bad, a break in the string of bail-out-early DVDs I've been buying. Get her.

Rick said...

"How could I have this much hate spewing at me, and I haven't even done anything?"

Some day we'll get tired of the left proving us right. But it is not this day.

n.n said...

Not even tolerance. Unqualified progress.

traditionalguy said...

It is a Gang War. The Gang has enforcers to attack any lovers of the enemy gang. Counter Revolutionaries are most hated, and the penalty is death in that group.

AprilApple said...

leftwing progressive neo-fascist democrats are bullies.

Virgil Hilts said...

Pretty amusing she thought she could just and step off the plantation/reservation/Cube for a quickie performance w/o consequences. She is part of the Borg; she will assimilate and do as she is told or be systematically destroyed.

Big Mike said...

@rhhardin, Toby Keith is performing. Hope he sings "Made in America."

Chuck said...

Wait; I have so many questions about this.

First, I don't know who Jennifer Holliday is. A singer, obviously. Never heard of her. I also didn't know anything about "Oamarosa," the one-named individual who has been given employment in the Trump White House.

So let's try to get this straight; Jennifer Holliday was invited to perform at the Inauguration, and she accepted. Then, there was "an onslaught of criticism." Okay. I don't quite know how to quantify an "onslaught." But I know what criticism is. I get it here, all the time. Could be an "onslaught"; I don't know. Is a "tidal wave" more than an "onslaught."

So how exactly did an "onslaught of criticism" force Miss Holliday to retire from the proceedings? As far as I can tell, the technical description would be that she chose to decline, after having accepted, because as an entertainer in the pop culture world, the criticism wasn't worth the exposure she'd have gotten from doing the performance. A choice, on her part. Is that "bullying"?

Note well that have zero empathy with the critics of Jennifer Holliday. The usual lefty activists; racialists, LGBTQ radicals, etc. At the same time, I could never be a fan who turned on Jennifer Holliday, because I was never a fan of Jennifer Holliday in the first place. But no matter what, I won't even think of criticizing entertainers who appear in connection with the Inauguration. I recognize so few of them to begin with.

And, as I posted previously, I have nothing but contempt for these secondary boycotts of retailers, manufacturers and entertainers who in any way become associated with politically incorrect Republicans. The tactic is as dated as it is repugnant. And Capital University lawprof Bradley Smith summed it up very nicely for the WSJ editorial page:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304050304577375583144909656

Matthew Sablan said...

"So how exactly did an "onslaught of criticism" force Miss Holliday to retire from the proceedings?"

-- Some people don't like Internet crazies threatening them, their family, their dog, their neighbors, etc., etc. with rape, murder, etc., because -- hey -- one of those crazies might follow through.

This is the heckler's veto, through and through.

walter said...

Eh..she decries the bullying while fully embracing their argument(s).

harryo said...

John Lewis has shot his load. He's finished. Even Nancy can't rescue him this time. Fucking commie bastard.

Drago said...

Chuck: "Wait; I have so many questions about this."

LOL

Sure you do.

rcocean said...

Could someone explain when the Presidential inauguration turned into a comedy-variety Show?

'cause I don't remember who sang/danced/told jokes in 1980/1984/1988/1992/1996 (at which point I stopped watching).

I thought the whole point was the swearing-in ceremony, and the new president's speech. Of course, I'm an old fogey who doesn't know who the hell most of these singers/dancers/comics are.

Matthew Sablan said...

Though, in this case, it looks like someone told her that performing for Trump would make her an enemy of the LGBT community, and threatened her with, basically, the same sort of othering that happens to any non-leftist.

Drago said...

harryo: "John Lewis has shot his load. He's finished. Even Nancy can't rescue him this time. Fucking commie bastard"

They've all shot their loads so to speak. And the ineffectiveness of their actions keeps leading them to ever further demonstrations of insanity.

This applies to the #NeverTrumpers as well.

Michael Wolff of Newsweek (yes, Newsweeks Michael Wolff) seems to now fully understand what is happening.

His article would make a great Althouse posting (unless Althouse has already done that and I've missed it.)

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-establishment-cultural-significance-explained-540213


Matthew Sablan said...

"Could someone explain when the Presidential inauguration turned into a comedy-variety Show?"

-- Washington's inauguration had pomp and circumstance to it, and inaugural balls have been common forever. This is just the modern day's take on the previous versions of these celebrations.

Chuck said...

I call bullshit, Matthew. Not necessarily on the wisdom of Miss Holliday's commercial decision, but rather on the drama-victimhood of the whole thing. Which you seem to have bought into, entirely.

And yet, let's both agree that this is a major problem that is not limited to pop entertainment. Increasingly, as Holman Jenkins of the Journal has frequently noted (and written about quite brilliantly), corporate CEO's the world over have to deal with the same pressures. Almost every Fortune 500 company had gone to full LGBT benefits long before Obergefell based on concerted pressure from left-leaning media and LGBT interest groups.

On that note, it is profoundly weird to me that the LGBTQ "community" is seeming to go after Trump so hard. Including, it would seem, in this case with Jennifer Holliday. But let's face it; as Althouse has surmised, Trump is pro-gay and being cagey about it. Maybe they are pissed off about Mike Pence and Jeff Sessions' places in the Trump Administration, and a new Scalia on the Supreme Court.

rcocean said...

And does any of these show-biz crap matter anymore? We old fogeys can remember when we used to have a common pop culture. We had 3 Major TV networks, no internet, no cable TV, and handful of record companies and AM/FM radio stations. So we had pop singers and show-biz types that everyone knew, cause that was all we had.

But that hasn't been the case for 20 years. We have a fragmented culture, so why have some Pop singer or dancer perform that most of us have never heard of? Just get some unknown singer to do the "Columbia, Gem of the Ocean".

Lucien said...

So Jennifer Holliday is a coward and John Lewis is still a jackass, though venerated by those on the left because of stuff he did 60 years ago, is that about it?

Drago said...

I see Chuck is in his Increase Word Volume to Deflect from Lefty Overreach discussion mode again.

Unexpectedly.

Chuck said...

Shorter version; just maybe, it's a smart thing to do, if Jennifer Holliday is someone who cares so much, about what it is that millennials and LGBTQ audience-members think.

That's her own career decision.

rcocean said...

"Washington's inauguration had pomp and circumstance to it, and inaugural balls have been common forever."

Really? Who sang at Washington inaugeration? I can tell you that NO ONE sang at Lincoln's 1964 inaugural. And Fred Astaire and Ginger didn't do a little tap dance at FDR's 1941 inaugural and Elvis didn't do Ike's 1957 inaugural.

buwaya said...

It is a matter largely of industrial culture and its membership in modern tribes.
J. Holliday is a Broadway performer. Broadway seems to be a small, insular world of producers, agents, "talent", and even audiences. All of whom apparently have a raging tribal hatred of D Trump, or rather of D Trumps voters, as they probably wouldnt have cared a bit if D Trump had hired J Holliday two years ago.
This is tribal war and some industries are tribally aligned. This is sonething I suspected years ago, from the consistent, targeted efforts the governments of NY and CA were using to drive manufacturing and agriculture away.

Lydia said...

She said in her announcement that it was a Daily Beast article that made her pull out. Just read it -- it mostly reminds her that it was the gay community who'd saved her bacon during the bad times in her career, and if she did the Trump gig it would be a huge betrayal.

Rick said...

So Chuck hates economic boycotts just not this one.

Conservatives and libertarians had better wake up and start blackballing leftists from business. It's the one career still open to them. But the left has been making inroads especially at the top level of big business. Their control of academia combined with the box-check nature of employment requirements gives them great influence over those at the top. Combined with the Democrats' Corporatist economic philosophy there's a natural affinity that will be impossible to dislodge once in place, especially given the the left's willingness to violate any norm or sense of decency in pursuit of power.

Drago said...

Chuck, here is the simpler and infinitely more accurate version: the left is Stalinist at its core.

I hope this helps you in your life quest to minimize criticism of the dems.

rcocean said...

Could someone explain when the Presidential inauguration turned into a comedy-variety Show?

'cause I don't remember who sang/danced/told jokes in 1980/1984/1988/1992/1996 (at which point I stopped watching).

I thought the whole point was the swearing-in ceremony, and the new president's speech. Of course, I'm an old fogey who doesn't know who the hell most of these singers/dancers/comics are.

walter said...

Right. I'm not sure what the alphabet crowd has to complain about...besides not Hil.

Fernandinande said...

Two Minutes Hate for a Thoughtcrime.

Jersey Fled said...

I still don't get the criticism of Trump by the LGBT... community. He supported gay marriage long before Hillary did, and I understand he was the first in the Palm Beach area to allow a gay couple to become members of one of his clubs. Plus the Trump Organization has a reputation as being gay friendly in their HR policies.

Maybe someone can help me here.

Chuck said...

Rick said...
So Chuck hates economic boycotts just not this one.
Conservatives and libertarians had better wake up and start blackballing leftists from business. It's the one career still open to them. But the left has been making inroads especially at the top level of big business. Their control of academia combined with the box-check nature of employment requirements gives them great influence over those at the top. Combined with the Democrats' Corporatist economic philosophy there's a natural affinity that will be impossible to dislodge once in place, especially given the the left's willingness to violate any norm or sense of decency in pursuit of power.


I agree with so much of what you've written; it's too bad that you led off with such a cartoonish mischaracterization of me; So Chuck hates economic boycotts just not this one.

I do hate economic and secondary boycotts. Including this one. I am just cautioning the Trumpsters from going all-victimhood, like they were part of NOW or the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition or some damned thing.

Man up.

And as for conservatives retaking the leadership ranks of the corporate world and academia, I could not possibly agree more. We just won't do it with ignorant vulgarians like Trump. We should be smarter.

Fernandinande said...

rcocean said...
Who sang at Washington inaugeration?


Didn't they hang a bunch of English swine at his inauguration? If not, they should have.

Sebastian said...

Of course, any deviation from the party line is a "lapse of judgment." But, Jennifer, paying the Dane-geld doesn't get rid of the Dane.

steve uhr said...

Should be an interesting Friday. I imagine there will be a fair amount of civil disobedience to go along with the pomp and circumstance. And then Trump will have a honeymoon for about as long as it takes to write a tweet.

walter said...

Have to doubt her backing out in this manner (obeying while lamenting) really saves her rep. She might have gained a broader audience if she had said what she said about "America" leading into her performance. I know..that's just crazy talk. Sorry..

Rick said...

it's too bad that you led off with such a cartoonish mischaracterization of me;

You views are cartoonish, if you don't like that change them.

n.n said...

Hate loves abortion. It's an intrinsic character flaw inherent to the quasi-religion.

Matthew Sablan said...

There wasn't a literal song and dance number at them, but with inaugural balls and the like, it isn't too big of a jump to having a show. It doesn't really impact me one way or the other, but I don't think it is weird that they'd do it.

damikesc said...

Caving in...I bet that will stop the vitriol. Everybody knows giving in to a bully always makes them stop.

So how exactly did an "onslaught of criticism" force Miss Holliday to retire from the proceedings? As far as I can tell, the technical description would be that she chose to decline, after having accepted, because as an entertainer in the pop culture world, the criticism wasn't worth the exposure she'd have gotten from doing the performance. A choice, on her part. Is that "bullying"?

I'd say "choosing to decline" solely because of what the person in question deems abuse would qualify as being forced into something.

This is the heckler's veto, through and through.

And we keep hearing it's a bipartisan thing, but only one side seems to really wield it.

On that note, it is profoundly weird to me that the LGBTQ "community" is seeming to go after Trump so hard.

Why? He's a Republican. That's enough.

Did Cheney get credit for being supportive of gay issues (far moreso than John Edwards was) in 2004?

Shorter version; just maybe, it's a smart thing to do, if Jennifer Holliday is someone who cares so much, about what it is that millennials and LGBTQ audience-members think.

That's her own career decision.


It's a smart career decision for college admins to ban all speeches from anybody remotely conservative.

Does it make it less craven?

This is SUPPOSED to be a pluralistic country. The Left is working OT to make sure it is not. Do you REALLY want a country as divided as before the Civil War? I do not, but I am not the one dividing us.


gadfly said...

And I'm tellin' you, I'm not goin'
Even though the rough times are showin'
There's just no way
There's no way


From Jennifer Holliday's signature song, "I am telling you I am not going." We are not missing much. She could deliver the song well in the 1980s but the years have taken their toll. Jennifer Hudson, who took over the lead role in Broadway's "Dreamgirls" after Halliday, does a much better job with the song.

damikesc said...

I do hate economic and secondary boycotts. Including this one. I am just cautioning the Trumpsters from going all-victimhood, like they were part of NOW or the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition or some damned thing.

Man up.


Can you explain why anybody should?

Behaving like this has given the Left control of the culture.

For once, force them to live by their own standards.

I Have Misplaced My Pants said...

Why don't we ever hear of these people saying "Fuck off; I do what I want?" How does anyone not do that? Don't they have any dignity?

Drago said...

Chuck: "I agree with so much of what you've written; it's too bad that you led off with such a cartoonish mischaracterization of me;"

Chucks not a leftist just because he adopts all of their talking points, obfuscates when the left is exposed for what they are and attacks every advantage the republicans have.

Oh no. Perish the thought.

He's no leftist, it's just that he's mischaracterized that way.

Yeah, that's the ticket. That should work.

When you read Chuck's post from a conservative or republican point of view, one recalls Pattons famous quotes about "allies": would rather fight against two German divisions alone than fight with a French division as an allied force.

buwaya said...

I suspect there was a great deal of singing after Washingtons' inauguration, in the private or semi-private functions after. People used to have a musical culture thats almost gone now. They used to sing all the time, at work, travelling, on special occasions; and a much larger proportion could play musical instruments.
Technology has professionalized most of that away.

tcrosse said...

I still don't get the criticism of Trump by the LGBT... community.

I always suspected that a lot of Organized LGBT... are seeking revenge for the bullying they got in High School. Trump probably reminds them of the guy who picked on them.

Freeman Hunt said...

Why do we do all this? Why not swear the new guy in and be done?

exiledonmainstreet said...

rcocean said...
Could someone explain when the Presidential inauguration turned into a comedy-variety Show"

While movie stars and singers have blessed with their political opinions for a long time, I think the Hollywood-DC nexus went into overdrive with the arrival of the Clintons in January 1993. I remember celebs like Streisand swanning into town for Billy Jeff's Inauguration and the excitement it created in DC. Washingtonians were babbling excitedly about seeing Spielberg or Hanks or some other star at the Palms. The gods are among us! It's like a homely high school girl who is thrilled because the handsome jock wants to take her to the prom.

Although the Reagans had a Hollywood background, they were not seen as glamorous, but as garishly excessive - because Republican. Remember the squawking about the cost of Nancy's clothes and new White House china? After Michele's multi-million dollar vacations, it sure seems quaint now.

buwaya said...

Trump is not, himself, the enemy of the LGBTQ or whatever, its just that he is aligned with those the LGBTQ hate.
They really, really, hate you.
You can see this clearly in places like SF, where its often out in the open.

This is tribal war.

Drago said...

I Have Misplaced My Pants: "Why don't we ever hear of these people saying "Fuck off; I do what I want?" How does anyone not do that? Don't they have any dignity"

The "liberals" are always easily cowed and absorbed into whatever the left drags them into.

Think of the libs/left pre-WWII where the leftist pro-Soviet line was "keep the US out of the war!!!" because Stalin had cut his deal with Hitler (Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact), then as soon Hitler invaded Russia Stalin sent out word and the US leftists, like robots, switched overnight to "Second Front Now!!".

The left has always been aligned with whatever totalitarian force wants to destroy the US. That's why the lefts support and defense of Islamic extremism is entirely predictable.

As was the lefts defense of all the Soviet backed western terrorist groups like the Baader-Meinhof's, Red Army Faction, Red Army Brigades, the fake "Palestinian" Liberation Organization, etc.

As surely as night follows day.

rcocean said...

BTW, I'm reading Trump's comments (All Talk - no action) on Rep. John Lewis - the greatest black man who ever lived - and I'm laughing my ass off.

Like the worship for John McCain, the reverence for Rep. Lewis seems to be a boomer thing. I guess you had be there - back in the 60s or whenever - to understand why this guy gets a pass on being an partisan asshole for 50 years.

rhhardin said...

NYT Top Story in my email

President Obama, once reluctant to speak about race, found his voice after deaths jolted the nation. Here's how he evolved.

They still do that?

walter said...

Maybe the solution is to make it a nation-wide karaoke session.

walter said...

(by the people, for the people)

AprilApple said...

Instead of celebrities - why not find ordinary people?

Celebrities suck.

Rick said...

I don't give a flying fuck what you think.

If this were true you wouldn't whine about people criticizing you every other day.

You seem to think you're waging a principled fight, but you're not. You reveal that every time you break your own supposed principles to support and defend an attack on Trump.

Matthew Sablan said...

"Instead of celebrities - why not find ordinary people?"

-- Because after Joe the Plumber and Ken Bone, a normal person would have to be suicidal to sign up to say: "I'm Pro-Republican, come at me media bro."

William said...

Too late now, but for the next inaugurationTrump should organize an America's Got Talent reality show to recruit performers for the inaugural events. Probably be a real ratings grabber.. Maybe have a Miss Trump Inaugral Beauty Queen contest to select someone to hold the Bible while the oath of office is administered. Go bigly or go home.

YoungHegelian said...

What a despicable bunch of judgemental, Stalinist shits the LGBT community has quickly morphed into!

Do they exist in a binary mode --- in yer face or in the closet? How about a live & let live happy medium?

You'd think for a community that's suffered so much bullying in their lives, they'd be sensitive to doing it to others. They rather seem to have adopted the methods of their bullies as a "how-to" manual.

Matthew Sablan said...

[Note that both didn't even have to say they were pro-Republican. Simply not showing enough fealty to Democrats was enough to get them on the media's hit list.]

Drago said...

rcocean: "I guess you had be there - back in the 60s or whenever - to understand why this guy gets a pass on being an partisan asshole for 50 years."

John Lewis showed genuine courage 50 years ago. That is not in dispute.

He then immediately joined the party that beat him. So there's that.

Lewis occupies one of the highest positions on the lefty/PC/Marxist totem pole of Victims: that of an African American who was present and a front and center participant in the Civil Rights struggle who was beaten by Southern white racist cops/dogs/water hoses etc on the path to achieving rights for blacks.

That gives him (in Nancy Pelosi's words) ABSOLUTE MORAL AUTHORITY on all issues forever.

It is understandable, given that, he would succumb to siren song of "I can never be wrong-dom" on any subject, period and that the left would use him that way: as the vanguard battering ram of the "Trump is not legitimate" faction.

In fact, if you listen to the MSM, they speak of Lewis in almost hushed and reverent tones even though he has pretty much become a tool. But hey, whatevs. I'm not concerned about that.

I'm much more concerned about the 5th column movement of establishment republicans who want to defang the conservative (and effective) base and work closely with dems to reestablish the establishment structure. Which necessarily requires the destruction of Trump and all his supporters.

wendybar said...

I'm with AprilApple!! Non celebrities sing too!!

Drago said...

Matthew Sablan: "[Note that both didn't even have to say they were pro-Republican. Simply not showing enough fealty to Democrats was enough to get them on the media's hit list.]"

We've seen that Act before: Never be the first to stop clapping for the Stalinists: http://davidsisler.com/04-01-2000.htm

snip: "One of Solzhenitsyn's most chilling stories concerned a birthday party for Comrade Stalin, held in a small, out-of-the-way town. Stalin was, of course, no where in sight, but still there were speeches and applause. Without thinking, the mayor of the town rose and exhorted his fellows to one last cheer for the evening to the honor of Stalin.

The applause continued for minutes without stopping and everyone was growing weary, but who would dare to be the first to stop clapping? As the labored applause wore on an old man collapsed. Finally the mayor allowed his arms to drop and the noise died. The next evening the mayor was sentenced to the gulag, and no charges were ever spoken against him. As he stepped into the train, a party official whispered into his ear, "Never be the first one to stop clapping.""

Clyde said...

“I sincerely apologize for my lapse of judgement, for being uneducated on the issues that affect every American at this crucial time in history and for causing such dismay and heartbreak to my fans,” Holliday wrote.

This sounds like the self-critical confession that was common for all of the communist show trials, whether in Russia, China, North Korea or elsewhere. Holliday's lucky she's not getting the usual finale for such a confession, which was usually a bullet to the back of the head, if not a tenner in a Siberian labor camp.

Drago said...

Unknown: "Damn those gays! Send them all forcibly to conversion centers."

LOL

When the lefties accuse the other side of wanting to do what the left has always and continues to do:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-11147157

https://www.thefire.org/cases/university-of-delaware-students-required-to-undergo-ideological-reeducation/

snip: "Following an intense campaign led by FIRE and national media attention, the University of Delaware dropped an ideological reeducation program that was referred to in the university’s own materials as a “treatment” for students’ incorrect attitudes and beliefs. The program’s stated goal was for the approximately 7,000 students in Delaware’s residence halls to adopt highly specific university-approved views on politics, race, sexuality, sociology, moral philosophy, and environmentalism."

This is how you get Trump.

Carry on!

Unknown said...

The nomination of Jeff Sessions might have pissed off some gay people considering his stance on same sex marriage and hate crimes legislation.

Rick said...

YoungHegelian said...
You'd think for a community that's suffered so much bullying in their lives, they'd be sensitive to doing it to others. They rather seem to have adopted the methods of their bullies as a "how-to" manual.


They say abused children are more likely than others to abuse their own kids. Same thing.

Drago said...

Unknown: "The nomination of Jeff Sessions might have pissed off some gay people considering his stance on same sex marriage and hate crimes legislation."

The existence of Jeff Sessions pisses off the Stalinist left.

FIFY

YoungHegelian said...

@Unknown,

The nomination of Jeff Sessions might have pissed off some gay people considering his stance on same sex marriage and hate crimes legislation.

Yeah, we need a real AG! One fights the important fights! Like, hauling the Little Sisters of the Poor before the Supreme Court...

Unknown said...

No, it's all good that Trump was dumb enough to nominate Sessions, really good.

Drago said...

Unknown: "No, it's all good that Trump was dumb enough to nominate Sessions, really good"

We know it's all good Comrade.

Your consternation is merely the final validating proof.

John said...

Rick,

The problem is education. They never learned basic English grammar and punctuation.

It should be:

[I] Love Trump's hate

As in I love that he hates a lot of the same things I hate. Big wasteful unresponsive govt particularly. I love that he hates leaky borders. I love that he hate illegal immigration. Not the immigrants themselves but that they are here illegally.

The more I see of this kind of thing with the entertainers, the more I love Trump.

Want more Trump? This is how you get more Trump. Whoever Jennifer Holliday is.

John Henry

Rick said...

Unknown said...
Damn those gays! Send them all forcibly to conversion centers.


The Crazy is back. You have to wonder what happened that she's so rapt in her fantasy world she believes such idiotic nonsense. Was she abused as a child? Hallucinogens?

Drago said...

Hey Unknown, why aren't you busy organizing a food drive for the "Victims of Leftist Thought Made Into Policy" in Venezuela?

Or have you, like every other dem/lib/lefty, taken to running away from this story now that the inevitable collapse is fully underway there?

Jupiter said...

"“I sincerely apologize for my lapse of judgement, for being uneducated on the issues that affect every American at this crucial time in history and for causing such dismay and heartbreak to my fans,” Holliday wrote."

I'm glad to see that we are finally getting serious about shaming black Americans into getting educated.

Anglelyne said...

Jersey Fled: I still don't get the criticism of Trump by the LGBT... community.

It's because professional LGBTism (like pretty much every *ism) compromises a bunch of attention-seeking drama queens who love play-acting at being "victims of oppression". It's hard to avoid the impression that imagining all the oppression coming their way is thrilling them bigly. Seriously, the stuff being written (and not just by LGBTers) reads like cheesy romance-novel rape-porn. Remember this guy's breathless, heaving-bosom fantasy about the plumber? Dude claims to be straight (yeah, right), but you get the idea.)

John said...

Perhaps we could do like happened to Memories Pizza. The SJWs closed them down for a week but they got more than $800m in donations.

Let's see who does show up and crowd fund a project to send them $5.

Get a couple hundred thousand people doing it and Trump tweeting about it, they might never have to work again.

Please, please, don't go after my book, snowflakes.

John Henry

Chuck said...

Clyde thanks so much for posting the quote from Miss Holliday's public apology letter:

“I sincerely apologize for my lapse of judgement, for being uneducated on the issues that affect every American at this crucial time in history and for causing such dismay and heartbreak to my fans..."


That was one of the earlier questions I had, and overlooked in my haste. So, wtf? Is she really sorry, and did she commit a "lapse of judgment [one 'e', please]"? Or is she a victim of an unfair attack? Was she bullied? Or did she make a terrible mistake. I suggest that in this case they are mutually exclusive. She seems to have made both claims in the space of less than 24 hours. If part of the "bullying" was being forced to withdraw, AND the publication of a phony apology, let's just please be clear about that apology.

Pop culture is such a waste of time. Who knows what anybody is really intending to communicate? The language is so awful. "Imprecise" is not sufficiently disparaging; it is insulting to the intelligence of readers.

epador said...

tcrosse: While I'm not gay, a lot of folks picked on me in grammar and high school, some of them accusing me of being gay, and none of them looked like Trump. They looked more like Alec Baldwin and Cameron Diaz, and some of them were gay.

YoungHegelian said...

@epador,

While I'm not gay, a lot of folks picked on me in grammar and high school, some of them accusing me of being gay, and none of them looked like Trump.

Read what "swish" (i.e. effeminate) gay men like Andy Warhol had to put up with from their more macho gay peers. Gays, like the rest of us, can be very cruel to our own,

Unknown said...

Miss Holliday shouldn't have been such a coward. If she agreed to sing at the imposter's inauguration, she should've had enough guts to follow through.

John said...

Blogger Drago said...

participant in the Civil Rights struggle who was beaten by Southern Democratwhite racist cops/dogs/water hoses etc on the path to achieving rights for blacks.

FIFY.

Never forget all these Democrat heros like Richard Russell, George Wallace, Bull Connor, Crooked Hillary's mentor Grand Kleagle Robert Byrd and so on.

The south was sold racist and sold Democrat.

John Henry

Michael K said...

"the consistent, targeted efforts the governments of NY and CA were using to drive manufacturing and agriculture away."

I was in U Haul today picking up a trailer. There was quite a bit of banter about rates to and from California. To California is about 1/3 of the cost from California. Guess why.

Most common destination ? Texas.

From Jennifer Holliday's signature song, "I am telling you I am not going." We are not missing much. She could deliver the song well in the 1980s but the years have taken their toll. Jennifer Hudson, who took over the lead role in Broadway's "Dreamgirls" after Halliday, does a much better job with the song.

Maybe they can get Bianca Ryan to sing it. She was better than both of them. And 11 years old.

Drago said...

Jersey Fled: I still don't get the criticism of Trump by the LGBT... community.

What do you get when you cross an LBGT advocate and a leftist? A Leftist.
What do you get when you cross an environmental activist and a leftist? A Leftist.
What do you get when you cross an global warming alarmist and a leftist? A Leftist.

Anyone discern a pattern?

All "issues" are merely cudgels used by leftists to increase the power. And that, my friends, is why the left doesn't really believe a single thing that they lecture us about.

Good old Fen's Law.


Drago said...

Unknown: "Miss Holliday shouldn't have been such a coward. If she agreed to sing at the imposter's inauguration, she should've had enough guts to follow through"

I disagree. Singing at the imposters inauguration would mean that she would miss Trump's inauguration and I don't think it's fair of you to demand that she do that.

Drago said...

Unknown: "Am I supposed to know you Rick or who you are?"

Sez "Unknown"!

Let's see, we'll just mark you down with "Self Awareness: Needs Work".

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Bad Lieutenant said...

"Think as I think," said a man,
"Or you are abominably wicked;
You are a toad."

And after I had thought of it,
I said, "I will, then, be a toad."

Ribbit, motherfuckers.
Where is Pepe when you need him?

Rest assured, homos, if my choices are to suck your dick or to kill you, it's no choice as all.

Bay Area Guy said...

Well, Merle Haggard died last year, so we can't have him sing "Okie from Muskogee" at the Inauguration.

Hmm. Clint Eastwood with a banjo singing HonkyTonk? At least, nobody can bully Clint.

The Left is filled with obnoxious bullies and a bunch of silent enablers.

rcocean said...

I was in U Haul today picking up a trailer. There was quite a bit of banter about rates to and from California. To California is about 1/3 of the cost from California. Guess why. Most common destination ? Texas.

California now belongs to the Left and the immigrants from all over the world who moved their in the last 30 years. They were willing to fight for it. The Right, and most whites, just wanted to run away.

Where are you going to run to when you lose Texas?

exiledonmainstreet said...

Rosie O'Donnell wants Obama to declare martial law to prevent Trump from being inaugurated.

Because, you know, Trump's a dictator.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Unknown said...
Lewis Wetzel, you're an idiot to use your real name."

It's unwise because spiteful, ugly leftist crybullies like yourself might harass and dox him. But he chooses to take that risk - just like Ann Althouse and Meade do, although they were also harassed and threatened with bodily harm by cowards like you.

It takes a special brand of stupid to ridicule someone for using their real name on a blog owned by a person who uses her real name.

That's why you're such a joy to read. I've never seen a poster - not even sunsong or Vicki - who can come up with so many different varieties of harebrained cluelessness.

tcrosse said...

No, it's all good that Trump was dumb enough to nominate Sessions, really good.

It's all good that the Democrats were dumb enough to nominate Hillary Clinton, who was dumb enough to lose an election while getting more votes and at twice the expense because her campaign was too dumb to figure out the rules.

chickelit said...

exiledonmainstreet said...
Rosie O'Donnell wants Obama to declare martial law to prevent Trump from being inaugurated.

I've read several words about Rosie O'Donnell on the web including "terrific, radiant, humble" and one other I can't remember. Help me, people.

Birkel said...

Yeah, Lewis Wetzel! How dare you use your real name and make yourself susceptible to the Stalinist plans Leftists like Unknown hope to impose on you? What kind of cool are you to not be cowed.

We demand your complete obedience!!

However, owing to the Second Amendment, the First Amendment and the Trump presidency (which has delayed the Leftist dream of power wielded by Leviathan) there is a chance you needn't care about Unknown.

chickelit said...

I bet John Fogerty would perform if asked.He never bitched and moaned about Trump using his song

exiledonmainstreet said...

But it's of course, classic Inga, to ridicule someone for being anonymous and then attack another poster for not being anonymous. It's yet another display of that razor sharp intellect and logical thought we've come to expect from our own dear Village Idiot.

Drago said...


Unknown said...

"Rest assured, homos, if my choices are to suck your dick or to kill you, it's no choice as all."

No worries, I bet no gay man will be looking to Bad L for a blow job.

Drago said...

roocean: "California now belongs to the Left and the immigrants from all over the world who moved their in the last 30 years. They were willing to fight for it. The Right, and most whites, just wanted to run away.

Where are you going to run to when you lose Texas?"

CA especially belongs to the illegals who are driving out the blacks in so many neighborhoods:
http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-firestone18oct18-story.html
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-ramona-hate-crime-20160707-snap-story.html
https://www.africanglobe.net/headlines/mexican-gangs-drive-black-families-southern-california/

The dream of making every city in the US just like Juarez!

Drago said...

Unknown: "No worries, I bet no gay man will be looking to Bad L for a blow job."

I'll take that bet!!!

.....

...now what?

Rick said...

Unknown said...
Am I supposed to know you Rick or who you are?


You think people have to know you well to perceive The Crazy? Obviously not true, although that may be one of your symptoms.

exiledonmainstreet said...

No worries, I bet no gay man will be looking to Bad L for a blow job.

1/14/17, 4:22 PM

Madonna was giving out free ones to straight men in return for voting for Clinton, but somehow that strategy failed. I'll bet she's really good at it too, especially after she removes her dentures.

Drago said...

exiledonmainstreet: "But it's of course, classic Inga, to ridicule someone for being anonymous and then attack another poster for not being anonymous. It's yet another display of that razor sharp intellect and logical thought we've come to expect from our own dear Village Idiot."

How dare you sir!

I'll have you know that one of Unknowns 247 daughters was killed by an anonymous poster!

And another was killed by a not anonymous poster!

And another was killed by a formerly anonymous poster who decided to become much less anonymous!!

Unknown has a daughter for every occasion!!

Drago said...

exiledonmainstreet: "Madonna was giving out free ones to straight men in return for voting for Clinton, but somehow that strategy failed."

Madonna has since moved on to the always popular and frequently effective "Tattoo on the Vagina" Strategy, not seen since that unfortunate Helsinki Incident of 1919.

Rick said...

exiledonmainstreet said...
[you're an idiot to use your real name]

It's unwise because spiteful, ugly leftist crybullies like yourself might harass and dox him.


As I recall she found out someone's employer and threatened to harass his boss.

chickelit said...

Unknown wrote: The nomination of Jeff Sessions might have pissed off some gay people considering his stance on same sex marriage and hate crimes legislation.

No, Inga, it started well before that. The first blip was back around the time of the Orlando shooting. See for example, here. As crazy as that seems, I think it's because the LGBLT allies itself with Muslims and didn't like Trump's tough talk on Muslim integration.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Madonna's mistake clearly was to give out blowjobs in NY and LA. If she really wanted Clinton to win, she should have set up shop in downtown Detroit, Milwaukee and Philadelphia. All those black men who did not make it to the polls might have had some incentive to do so.

Or maybe not.

Jim at said...

Ah, those tolerant leftists again.

How cute.

chickelit said...

As I recall she found out someone's employer and threatened to harass his boss.

She contacted another commenters's spouse and attempted to cause mischief. That Inga was a piece of work.

walter said...

Somehow..the Clintons are escaping criticism for attending the inaugural.
Somehow..

exiledonmainstreet said...

I picture Inga as looking and sounding something like this delightful specimen of womymhood, who harassed a deplorable man for daring to put Trump signs on his lawn. Then lit into a cop, who displays the patience of Job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfyX0Fv3KGU&t=3s

Isn't she sweet? Believe it or not, that woman, Tara Dublin (she actually posted this sorry exchange on her FB page, believing somehow that it was to her credit), is also a "voice actor." I imagine she provides the voice of the Evil Witch of the West.

chickelit said...

Is every goddamn Unknown here this Inga person you all seem obsessed with? Wow, what a bunch of odd ducks inhabit Althouse.

Unknown unknowingly outed herself as Inga a few days ago in case you missed it. Many had suspected as much. What bothers people so much is Unknown's ongoing denials of identity.

urbane legend said...

rcocean said...
And does any of these show-biz crap matter anymore? We old fogeys can remember when we used to have a common pop culture.

We have a common, and increasingly crude, pop culture.

mockturtle said...

Entertainers have no cojones.

chickelit said...

mockturtle said...
Entertainers have no cojones.

Madonna has ciccones.

Rick said...

chickelit said...
She contacted another commenters's spouse and attempted to cause mischief. That Inga was a piece of work.


This reminds me she also wrote negative Amazon reviews for another commenter's spouse's novel. Same event?

exiledonmainstreet said...
I picture Inga as looking and sounding something like this delightful specimen of womymhood,


Think of her as Inga Quixote fighting imaginary dragons coming to force gays into conversion therapy.

exiledonmainstreet said...

"What bothers people so much is Unknown's ongoing denials of identity."

As I recall, she was doxed herself by someone (if I remember correctly it was Shouting Thomas), who posted her last name and address. Having her own tricks used against her sent her into a frenzy, although Meade removed the information almost immediately. Violent right-wingers were going to turn up at her doorstep and I dunno, force her to kiss Scott Walker's picture or something.

So her tactic now is to post as "Unknown" and to try to avoid mentioning personal details about herself- however, she slipped up the other day. And she also slips up because her writing style and hysterical mode of attack is the same as Inga's.

You can't hide that much stupid.

exiledonmainstreet said...

What bothers people so much is Unknown's ongoing denials of identity.

1/14/17, 4:44 PM

Yeah. R & B, who is calling himself "Commander Craftshaft" these days, also has a curious need to change nicks (do any conservative posters ever do this?) but at least he doesn't try to pretend that he's a new and different poster.

Leora said...

Hollywood stars crossed the country by train to attend FDR's first inauguration. I saw the newsresll on TCM years ago. Here are links describing The Better Times express and their participation in the 1933 parade.

https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2013/feb/22/42nd-street-special-hollywood-train-trip-archive-1933

https://newrepublic.com/article/112228/inauguration-franklin-delano-roosevelt


Eme Eses said...

Her gushing self-criticism is worthy of Stalin's show trials or the Cultural Revolution.

walter said...

Nation-wide broadcast karaoke (featuring songs by the strongest criticizers), chainsaw art making by the Bikers for Trump group.
With Hil there he might chainsaw a server.

AprilApple said...

The left love to shame and guilt people - and we haven't done anything wrong.

If you're not a proper Stalinist leftist democrat progressive - why - you hate gay people, and you hate brown people, and you hate this and you hate that.

We know who the real haters are.

AprilApple said...

-- Because after Joe the Plumber and Ken Bone, a normal person would have to be suicidal to sign up to say: "I'm Pro-Republican, come at me media bro."

True.

The left destroy - anyone. Everyone.

We, the deplorable, must stand shoulder to shoulder against Clinton lies, leftwing media lies, and leftwing celebrity bullying.

rcocean said...

"You can't hide that much stupid."

Or that much crazy. We all know she's nutty Ingra, the left-wing German troll.

rcocean said...

They're always Leftists.

The Left seems to attract kooks and morons. It's always been that way. 9/10 of all felons and mentally ill people vote Democrat. That's not an insult, its a fact.

cf said...

what makes me most sad about this is my friends/family/countrymen in lgbt land have twisted into thought-police-Jackboot Pose.

May all be Happy.

John said...

BTW:

You may think you are "unknown" but I doubt that you are. I am confident that I could track you down, real name, home address, phone etc in an hour or two. Don't worry, I won't.

I did it once before in another venue where I had mentioned that I had no objection to raising dogs for food. A PETA type in Dover England, who thought he was anonymous, took umbrage and organized a spam attack on me. This was in the days when mail and bandwith were metered and slow. I tracked down his home phone and wound up speaking to his parents. I was pissed and forgot there was a time zone difference so spoke to the parents at about 3AM their time.

Also got his hosting service to cancel his account.

I posted what happened on the thread and the attack stopped cold.

Nobody is anonymous on the internet. You need to just live with it.

John Henry

exiledonmainstreet said...

" It means that you can deny that you actually wrote something since there are at least 3-4 unknowns here. Vance, I don't count you since you always identify at the bottom."

The left-wing, dumb Unknowns all sound like the same person to me. Perhaps that's because employing the same old leftist cliches and catch phrases robs people of their individuality.

I can normally spot Vance's posts even before I see his name at the bottom. I don't agree with everything he writes, but he puts some thought into his comments, and that alone distinguishes him from the lefty Unknown.

John said...


Blogger Drago said...

Where are you going to run to when you lose Texas?"

A point Mark Steyn has been making since at least the early 90s is that the US is the refuge of last resort. The world is getting smaller and smaller and, as he says, "Where you gonna go when the US has become just like the rest of the world?"

He also makes that point about Canadian healthcare frequently. Lots of Canadians get their healthcare in the US because it is not available in Canada.

Now, maybe even the US is closing in. We are not quite to the point of "Where are you going to run when you lose Texas?" but we were certainly headed that way.

We may still be but at least now there is a glimmer of hope that this will change.

Thank you Wisconsin and all the others who put Trump over the top.

John Henry

Laslo Spatula said...

Trump should cancel all 'Entertainment' for the Inauguration.

Just livestream him heading to the White House and signing his First Executive Orders, one by one.

The last being one that curtails Hollywood tax breaks.

That would be Entertainment.

I am Laslo.

Chuck said...

Lots of Canadians get their healthcare in the US because it is not available in Canada.


True. The United States is the Number One medical tourism destination in the world. And nothing about that statistic bothers me.

At the same time, many Americans find it in their financial interest, to go outside of the U.S. for some elective procedures. This "list" of places for the best healthcare in the world shouldn't be taken too seriously, at least not for overall care. If I get sick, I pray that I will be in the U.S. at the time.

But this business of medical tourism is highly selective, based on a patient's wealth and income, your insurance, your national citizenship, your nation's national healthcare planning, etc.

https://internationalliving.com/2017/01/4-countries-best-healthcare-world/

I've always found it laughably disingenuous when Donald Trump spouts off about how he's going to repeal Obamacare, and replace it with something wonderful and fantastic. Something that we'll all love, and find amazing. Who is so stupid as to believe that? Mind you, I have no doubt that we could improve national healthcare. With Republican-led (and hopefully, in the end, bipartisan) reforms.

But I have no expectations that Donald Trump, who once praised the Canadian system that you are now ridiculing, knows the first damned thing about how to fix it. Congressional Republicans will do it, and I hope and expect that they will proceed with great caution.

Louisa Wurlitzer said...

It seems to be the opposite. The conservative bloggers here, you included seem to be the worst offenders.

Unknown said...

Bullied? Give NotMyPresident country a break. Jennifer came to her senses.

Trumpland is devoid of culture because no one, and I mean no one of any significant worth from the entertainment industry is playing at the inaugural on your behalf. If Trumpland doesn't understand the significance of this then good luck with your shtick because we are all laughing at you.

FullMoon said...

Unknown said... [hush]​[hide comment]

The nomination of Jeff Sessions might have pissed off some gay people considering his stance on same sex marriage and hate crimes legislation.


Same stance as Clinton and Obama prior to their evolution, right?

Gretchen said...

The left is a seething ball of hatred. They project their pathology onto the right. They are bullies, thugs, race-baiters and intolerant of views or opinions they don't share.

Most people, especially lukewarm Trump supporters are growing more and more tired of their childish antics.

rhhardin said...

I flipped on the radio by the mouse, and there's apparently another contest on. It took a minute to look up the rules, and then another minute to work Wyoming, California and Costa Rica.

Then turned the radio off.

There seemed to be no hatred, is the bloggable point.

Gahrie said...

Thanks for proving my point. It doesn't matter what one's name is. There seems to be very little room for those with opposing viewpoints here."

On the contrary...we are desperate for some Leftwing commentors who can make an argument and reason. The Lefty trolls simply are incapable of making cogent arguments so we get distractions instead.

Bruce Hayden said...

@Dr K - also at U Haul today, but not intentionally. R Front hub froze up by Gallup, NM, will be a week to get the parts, only rental car place in town closed at noon (and I called at 12:15), and ended up renting a van at U Haul to get down there (and back). Nice though to have - we are getting new bedroom furniture delivered Tues, and the van will fit a new mattress set for it. Plus a bunch of other stuff for the new house, maybe even one of those curved TVs. 3 (maybe 4) bedrooms need fan/lights. I am also thinking a couple of car floor mats for the garage. Might as well make use of the van until I get my normal vehicle back in a week. And in a couple weeks will be driving a U Haul truck down from CO. Not looking forward to that, esp the excitement this trip.

Gahrie said...

Distract from what?

Anything and everything that is bad for the Left or good for the Right.

buwaya said...

Luisa Wurlitzer,

It is difficult to find a left-wing opponent for a decent argument with proper rules of argumentation. If you are such, welcome.

Some people here are a bit rabid at times.

On the other hand the usual left-wing persons who show up do not attempt a proper argument. They do not discuss in good faith. They assert a point, usually through quoting something grabbed from their information stream, and do not engage the following rebuttal, but thereafter go to insults and ad hominems, or sneers. This is no cut and parry, merely a flinging of rocks. There are a few who do however, and good for them.

Drago said...

buwaya: "Some people here are a bit rabid at times."

I take my distemper medications religiously so I resent this but only somewhat.

Gahrie said...

My point was at 5:10PM. Since that time all I've seen is the same nasty few saying the same boring shit about user names and others who have different opinions. Group think is strong here, not what I expected at Althouse.

Well then, instead of talking shit about us like a typical Lefty (you are a lifelong Republican aren't you?) how about presenting an actual argument?

Quaestor said...

We still exist.

As do other flat-earthers.

mockturtle said...

I totally agree with Laslo. Why have entertainment at a Presidential inauguration, anyway?

mockturtle said...

The Seahawks' season is over. Time to put my logo away and bring out my iris.

Drago said...

What is it about the leftist mentality that makes them so susceptible to the siren song of socialism/communism/Marxism with all the evidence of its inevitable "mass graves" results and infuses them with the fervor required to attack others who simply want to live their lives?

Fabi said...

No concerns at all about a Trump Russia connection?

No concerns at all about begging the question?

Drago said...

It has been theorized that those with a leftist bent tend to be the types that require validation, constantly reinforced, that they are correct and have all the correct thoughts and beliefs.

Therefore, anyone stepping out of line and demonstrating an independent streak must be brought back into the fold, violently if necessary, in order to reassure the lefty that their lefty "good thoughts" are the only real option for the moral person.

Drago said...

Now would probably be a good time to discuss how Nicole Kidman, for simply offering up a generic "lets all get along" message is being savaged by the left for daring to voice a non-lefty-groupthink-indoctrination thought.

She's is already having to provide "clarifications" to soothe the savage leftist body politic beast:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nicole-kidman-clarifies-her-support-for-donald-trump-in-new-interview_us_587a79fbe4b0e58057ff29aa

wildswan said...

The idea seems to be that by intimidating people like Paul Anka and Jennifer Halliday and anyone else who might gave wanted to perform at Trump's inauguration the Trump people will be forced to see that Celebrities Disapprove of Trump. No one wants to come to your party. And that will make us sad, sad, sad.

But that is not what will happen. It will simply be made clear that celebrities have no principles and no guts. A little pressure - they fold. And the next time they want to lecture us ...

Cacimbo Cacimbo said...

Just like with feminism, a few loud voices are claiming to speak for all. I personally know some LGBTQ who are more PRO Trump than Caitlyn Jenner.

@Chuck Trump is not being the least bit "cagey". He has frequently expressed support for the LGBTQ community - even during his speech at the RNC. He also ran around the stage with a rainbow flag at a rally. This is faux outrage by most with some of the less intelligent swept along by fake news.

mockturtle said...

Louisa asks, incredulously: Why do you savage Chuck, Drago?

We all savage Chuck. That's what he's here for! Right Chuck?

Gahrie said...

No concerns at all about a Trump Russia connection?

Frankly, I don't have any.

What concerns are we supposed to have?

Trump is secretly a Communist?

Trump is going to sell the US to Putin?

Describe one thing Trump could do that would help Russia and hurt the United States that would be worse than what Obama/Clinton have done the last 8 years.

Freeman Hunt said...

Entertainers have got to eat like everyone else. Unless a person already has the money to retire, it's awfully hard to do something that could make it difficult to get any work. So I don't blame Holliday.

I don't, however, like the idea that an inauguration is supposed to be about the specific person being sworn into office. Shouldn't any celebration involved be a celebration of our country, of the fact that we have these peaceful transitions of power? That's an incredible thing and worth celebrating.

Paco Wové said...

Since I will personally never get to go to any inaugural festivities, I will be happy to see said activities cut to the bone. Anything other than twenty minutes shivering on the Capitol steps? Faugh.

Gahrie said...

Shouldn't any celebration involved be a celebration of our country, of the fact that we have these peaceful transitions of power?

yes..but then the Left is trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power in this case aren't they? Some of them are doing so explicitly...

chickelit said...

My own theory regarding the Left's preoccupation with painting Trump as a Putin stooge is as follows:

The DC spy establishment has a vested interest in maintaining the Russians as our arch villain. It's a DC rice bowl issue; Trump threatens their rice bowls. The second reason is that D's are looking for a way to appeal to Reagan Democrta who have long mistrusted Russia and the evil Soviet Empire; Get the Midwest to forget about the economy and put on some of that ol' commie hatred will get D's votes, amirite? Third, hating on the Russians distracts from hating America's real enemy: (hint, it's not Global Warming as a few clowns at the Pentagon have come to believe) It's radical Islam -- the words the Left still dare not speak.

Drago said...

mockturtle: "BTW, I agreed with--and stood up for--Chuck just yesterday!"

I know it was you mockturtle! You broke my heart!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjUOBVAbGhQ

mockturtle said...

chickelit rightly observes: The DC spy establishment has a vested interest in maintaining the Russians as our arch villain. It's a DC rice bowl issue; Trump threatens their rice bowls. The second reason is that D's are looking for a way to appeal to Reagan Democrta who have long mistrusted Russia and the evil Soviet Empire; Get the Midwest to forget about the economy and put on some of that ol' commie hatred will get D's votes, amirite? Third, hating on the Russians distracts from hating America's real enemy: (hint, it's not Global Warming as a few clowns at the Pentagon have come to believe) It's radical Islam -- the words the Left still dare not speak.

Louisa, do listen to chickelit. She is spot-on. Oh, and the yuuuge defense industry, too. Fighting terrorists is not as lucrative as cold war with the Russians.

chickelit said...

I don't, however, like the idea that an inauguration is supposed to be about the specific person being sworn into office. Shouldn't any celebration involved be a celebration of our country, of the fact that we have these peaceful transitions of power? That's an incredible thing and worth celebrating.

Who said this inauguration was any different than the last? It seems to me that a considerable number of people are trying to prevent there being an inauguration let alone a peaceful celebration of one. This nonsense that it's all about celebrating Trump's personality is just that -- nonsense.

traditionalguy said...

What if the truth comes out from deep inside the Deep State, a Dossier of collected rumors that Trump is a descendant, on his father's side, of the Czar of Russia, and now Putin wants Trump to be anointed by the Russian Orthodox Church as the Ruler who will Make Greater Russia Great Again. Poland and Germany will have to forget it, when they wake up in a Trumpian Movement, a pincers movement.

The key to proving this is in Kellyann Conway is his handler. She has to be a Russian Robot Doppelgangr. No human is that charming and intelligent.

Remember, it is the victim we should always side with.

Drago said...

tradguy: "The key to proving this is in Kellyann Conway. She has to be a Russian Robot Doppelgangr. No human is that charming and intelligent."

Kellyanne has the patience of a saint.......and the ability to slip the dagger in between the ribs when you don't even notice.

Big Mike said...

I think conservatives need to prepare for some possibly shocking news regarding the Trump Russia connection. It's going to hurt conservatives who have bought into Trumpusm. I feel bad for them.

@Louisa, he doesn't have to be perfect or even above average. All Trump has to do is not be Hillary Clinton, and so far he's managing that admirably.

Fabi said...

It would show when you created your profile, Louisa. There have been plenty of drive-bys and that's one way to identify them.

Maybe you should learn the ropes a bit before you continue your passive-aggressive quips. Just a suggestion.

n.n said...

As a cold war with the Soviets. The projection of antagonism, warmongering, and conspiracy by fake news outlets (e.g. PBS) and mainstream politicos has been breathtaking. The Russians, for their part, have assumed the role of canaries previously held by Jews in the Leftist progression.

Paco Wové said...

Stil mystified as to why the gay community in particular was key in this bit of lefty groupthink. What mean things has Trump done to the gay community?

Fabi said...

I think conservatives need to prepare for some possibly shocking news regarding the Trump Russia connection. It's going to hurt conservatives who have bought into Trumpusm. I feel bad for them.

I'm preparing for that meteor, too. I'm under my bed. Don't feel bad for me!

Drago said...

I am old enough to remember how GWBush went AWOL, and how Reagan/GHWBush conspired with the Iranians, and how Reagan/Bush were finished due to the IranContra nothingburger (extra points if you can identify the 3 different Boland Amendments and the time periods within which each was "in force"), etc.

I think I'm good with this whole Russia Trump thing. Although it's almost guaranteed the "nonpartisan" investigators will find something.

You know, just like Tom Delay, Ted Stevenson, Rick Perry indictment, etc. The lefties/Deep Staters are very clever with their maneuverings.

CNN will yelp but it will all come to naught.

I feel sorry for the Anti-Trump crew. They are in for another in a long line of big letdowns.

traditionalguy said...

CNN breaking news alert from Russia: The NFL team named Seahawks from Seattle in the Russian territory of Alaska, that extends south to the Russian River in Sonoma County, California has been cheated by the KKK's Redneck Falcons, who obviously were the ones on Steroids and Growth Hormones released to Trump by Putin.

Freeman Hunt said...

"All Trump has to do is not be Hillary Clinton, and so far he's managing that admirably."

Exactly. "Trump is awful!" "Trump said this!" "Trump did that!" True (sometimes), but it could be worse. It could be worse.

n.n said...

Paco Wové:

It's probably not the transgender class, but the Democratically appointed leaders who are tasked to influence a perception in the press, on campus, in social gatherings, popular culture, etc.

Drago said...

To paraphrase Chevy Chase: Would be Presidential Hopeful Hillary Clinton is still NOT the President-Elect!

Dems/left/Never-Trumpers hardest hit.

chickelit said...

Paco Wové said...
Stil mystified as to why the gay community in particular was key in this bit of lefty groupthink. What mean things has Trump done to the gay community?

As I hypothesized above, it's because LGBLT leadership is allied with Muslims. Why? The only commonality is anti-Christian sentiment. Myopic? Of course it is.

traditionalguy said...

Query: Will it be a conflict of interest if Trump's kids running the Family businesses buy CNN and fire all of the Clinton apparatchiks?

Drago said...

In any event, expect more dem/Deep state rumors to be launched this week along with accelerated trolling online in conjunction with expanded "heated" reporting by the MSM all leading up to the inauguration.

The desperation on the left is palpable. If you've seen Robert Reich on MSNBC or CNN the last several days you would see that he was continuous and embarrassing screeching mode.

It was beautiful.

Drago said...

CNN appears to be ground zero for the attempted media/Deep State driven coup so if you get a chance wander over there every now and again to see how they are working with this hoax to spin it.

Should be very interesting.

Paco Wové said...

"LGBLT leadership is allied with Muslims"

I recently had it hypothesized to me by a younger person, who is more in touch with the thought currents of today, that the big fear on the LBGTetc. side was that Trump == Reagan, and Reagan maliciously let all the gays die of AIDS, therefore Trump would let all the gays die of whatever the next bad disease would be. (No, he didn't seem convinced by this either.)

tcrosse said...

Hillary never sincerely conceded. She has a lot to answer for. She dragged her party down the road to defeat to serve her own sense of personal entitlement.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Any more hiding in the shadows? Afraid of being savaged by the Dragos of Althouse? Be brave. Speak your conscience.

1/14/17, 8:24 PM

Oh, for chrissakes, drama queen, we're making comments blog not nailing the 92 theses to the door in Wittenburg. Unlike being an Trump supporting entertainer threatened with a very real loss of employment or a business woman threatened with a boycott for giving a contribution for Trump, it takes no bravery whatsoever to post here. Nobody is going to fire chuck or you. Unlike that guy in Chicago who was beaten for being a Trump supporter, nobody is going punch you out because you don't like Trump.

The only person here who has run any personal risk for expressing their political opinions in our hostess, who was threatened by intolerant Madison leftists during the Walker recall.

So stop acting like you are some sort of noble martyr braving - well, what, exactly? Drago's deadly barbs?

If people are nice to me, I'm nice to them. I'd rather have constructive conversations, but if people are nasty, I can dish right back. If you fall apart when some stranger says something about you on the Internet, you might try toughening up a bit.



cf said...

Louisa, the Republicans were responsible with their computer systems and the Democrats were not, and the Russians, plus who knows who else, had much opportunity to cause the havoc that has been caused by Wikileaks, etc.
So, no, I am really not concerned with connections/problems between Mr. Trump and Mr. Putin and Russia, no matter what: it is much preferred instead of seeing Putin dealing with Hillary Clinton --who would have been the most God-awful President ever.

Louisa, The most REAL danger going on this week is the subject of this post, but you don't want to talk about that. The most REAL danger going on for this country this very week is the precedent that entertainers are being bullied and intimidated so fully -- apparently by the LGBTQ jackboots (why dear ones, do you choose this road of "BakeTheCake!" zealoutry, so sad) -- that freedom of expression is being shut down.

. . . By those who call themselves "Liberals" and "Democrats"

It is so hideous. The very thing they project onto this fascinating man, Donald Trump, as some demon that will force all kinds of evil on others. In fact, That is what they are willing to do, here and now. Force all kinds of evil on others for their wrong stand.

Hideous.

(Godspeed, America)



Fabi said...

I can't make any money from the Russians if my dollar-per-pro-Trump comments get deleted.

Lewis Wetzel said...

Blogger chickelit said...
As I hypothesized above, it's because LGBLT leadership is allied with Muslims.

I think that this is true. A few days before the election, NPR was interviewing voters about their choice for prez and letting them give their reasons for their choice.
One person they interviewed was an openly gay man from Atlanta. He was voting for Hillary (of course!), and part of his reasoning was the Pulse nightclub massacre. He blamed it on homophobia. He never mentioned the word Islam. He thought that the shooting was the result of homophobia and slack gun control laws.
I think that driving a homophobic and gun control narrative was the reason behind Lynch's early refusal to release the 911 transcripts. All that Mateen spoke about in the calls was his allegiance to ISIL and its Caliph, and the US bombings in Syria. The 911 operator tried to get Mateen to give his name, his location, etc., but Mateen refused to be driven off message. All he would say, again and again, was that he was killing people in revenge for the US bombing of ISIL in Syria and Iraq, and the bombing death of an ISIL cleric. Mateen never mentioned gays. He only wanted to talk about the US bombings and the death of an ISIL cleric. He also claimed that he was a mujahadeen (an Islamic warrior fighting a religious war) and that he prayed a lot.
Given the facts of the case it takes a lot of work to make anyone that the shooting was due to inadequate gun control and homophobia.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Personal anecdote: I shook the hand of a Marine general (ret) and MOH recipient today. He gave a short speech and mentioned that he spent time Trump last year--he was the warm up speaker at a few Trump events. He said Trump in person is very different from what you see on TV. He also said he got to fly on the Trump jet and was anticipating a fancy lunch on board (caviar, etc) but when he got on he smelled McDonalds and they all ate Big Macs. "My kinda guy!"
End anecdote.

Paco Wové said...

The reaction to the Pulse nightclub shooting amazed me. Here was a guy saying over and over again he was killing people for ISIS, and the victimized group turns right around and says, no, it was hateful Republicans at fault. How can you reason with people like that?

walter said...

It's about the next grant.."further studies are warranted"
They Mann/Steyn lawsuit will be interesting to see unfold..if it ever ends.

Gretchen said...

Putin is a bad actor.

Compared to NK, China, Iran and ISIS he is small potatoes. Russia is neither economically powerful like China, nor does it have millions of ideological loons like the Muslim countries or ISIS et. al. Putin is not Kim Jung Il crazy either, he'll invade a region or two but he doesn't want nuclear war. .

The left needed a rallying cry they felt would dissuade some Republicans from voting for Trump, and the old Koch Brothers weren't cutting it, especially because they didn't support Trump, they needed someone who wouldn't be sympathetic, to their base, so the Muslim states were out. They probably remembered Romney's comments about Russia and Putin, and figured he'd make a good Boogyman, plus it was plausible considering Trump's business. And so it began "Russia, Russia, Russia!"

David said...

Freeman Hunt said...
Why do we do all this? Why not swear the new guy in and be done?


We do, but only after a president dies in office. We must be careful what we wish for.

Laslo Spatula said...

Been on a bit of a Talking Heads kick of late, was reading an article in the New Yorker about a book on their album "Fear of Music".

Came across this quote:

"As with Warhol, they were wrong. Byrne claimed in his book accompaniment to the 1986 film “True Stories” that the era’s “new patriotism” was “a trick,” and he included a list all of the people falling for it. But, he goes on, “none of them is wrong. They are setting a good example, and in this film and book I’m teaching myself to appreciate them.” For years “we have been taught not to like things. Finally somebody said it was OK to like things. This was a great relief.”

Reagan era comment that scales to Trump.

People are tired of being told "not to like things."

Meanwhile the Progressives are all doing Attitude Karaoke to "Life During Wartime."


I am Laslo.

rhhardin said...

Mercedes: I work and you porn-surf and pretend to work.

Dean: That's so much bull right there, okay? I had four postings today alone. Fogcaster, Skyscan, Parsec12.com.

Mercedes: They're not postings, they're comments. Comments! Like, "You're lame" is a comment.

Dean: And who are you to judge me, Boozilla?

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