The photos in the 2 places are different. On the website, there's actually a picture of Hillary, seen from the back, her arms outstretched and touching the shoulders of 2 men — unidentified "supporters." She needs support as she exits from the the center of the national stage.
Meanwhile, here's Trump, marching onto the stage. He's clapping his hands at the head of an army of Trumpions. If you were here at Meadhouse, you would have heard my spontaneous singing of "Trump, Trump, Trump, the Trumps are marching," to the tune of "Tramp, Tramp, Tramp":
Tramp, tramp, tramp, the boys are marching,That's a Civil War song, written to give hope to war prisoners. Speaking of the starry flag, I'm seeing this:
Cheer up comrades they will come,
And beneath the starry flag
We shall breathe the air again,
Of the freeland in our own beloved home.
Flag burning on 5th Avenue in front of Trump Tower right now. pic.twitter.com/1LAGHCNjxL
— Patrick deHahn (@patrickdehahn) November 10, 2016
That's featured at another NYT article, "'Not Our President': Protests Spread After Donald Trump’s Election":
Thousands of people across the country marched, shut down highways, burned effigies and shouted angry slogans on Wednesday night to protest the election of Donald J. Trump as president.Speaking of marching.
The protests on Wednesday came just hours after Hillary Clinton, in her concession speech, asked supporters to give Mr. Trump a “chance to lead.”...And Obama, for his part, had said "We are all now rooting for his success...The peaceful transfer of power is one of the hallmarks of our democracy.”
In New York, crowds converged at Trump Tower, on Fifth Avenue at 56th Street in Midtown Manhattan, where the president-elect lives.Outside the man's home.
They chanted “Not our president” and “New York hates Trump” and carried signs that said, among other things, “Dump Trump.”...
The demonstrations forced streets to be closed, snarled traffic and drew a large police presence. They started in separate waves from Union Square and Columbus Circle and snaked their way through Midtown.Stopping the flow of traffic in NYC... that might not be the best way to build political support. Ask Chris Christie.
But the protests are a predictable and an inevitable part of American election expression. One can only imagine the opposition that would have confronted Hillary Clinton, had she won. More important is how the winners handle themselves. I'm seeing grace, modesty, and respect. Or that's what I hope I'm seeing. I think we should expect and demand the best from Trump. As a newcomer to politics, he invented a way to win the presidency. He saw how to win, and even if you think he made some scurrilous choices, it worked, and he won. The candidacy is over now. That job is done. That building is built. You can look back on it and say what you like and don't like about it, but he got the job done. The new job is being President, and I want to believe that he's applying his unusual mind to the invention of a way to be an excellent President. I'm not one of the not-our-President protesters. I'm a citizen who knows damn well he's the next President and I'm going to be insisting that he excel at what he's undertaken to do.
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How ya like the TEA Party now, bitches.
LOL at the Trump, Trump, Trump, the Trumps are marching...
Stick and move, America. Stick and move. Don't be the tackling dummy.
Safe spaces will be harder to find.
"One can only imagine the opposition that would have confronted Hillary Clinton"
Yes, one can. I'm imagining a lot less flag-burning and traffic blocking.
Also - were the Trumpsters to hit the streets in similar fashion after a Clinton victory, we would likely read - "America Erupts in Hatred and Anger" etc, etc... at the same source.
"Reality"? We're getting ahead of ourselves. The election for president takes place next month in the various state capitals. For the Clintons, the answer to Life in the White House, a Universe of continued eight-figure checks, and Everything is: 42. As in 42 Trump electors flipped.
Yes Campy, put your hopes into flipping 42 Trump Electors. 43, really, since one Washington Elector has vowed to not vote Her Highness.
Trying to steal the Electoral College is a great response to a charge from Trump that the election is rigged. Let's say you succeed: do you think you'll get any cooperation at all from Republicans or independents, who will not be pleased that the election was stolen?
--vance
But the protests are a predictable and an inevitable part of American election expression.
Remind me again when the right shut down the streets outside of Obama's Chicago house and burned him in effigy? When did the right fill the streets of major cities to protest Obama's election?
Remind me of when the right caused huge riots outside of Hillary's campaign appearances?
Yeah yeah yeah. Protests are part of America. But the protesting left is exhausting.
The right does zingers.
I'm a citizen who knows damn well he's the next President and I'm going to be insisting that he excel at what he's undertaken to do.
Still smarting from grab her by the pussy.
Oh, Trump might scream "rigged election!" Wow, Vance, you really got me. I had not figured that into my calculations AT ALL.
Boy, do I feel dumb. Yeah, that'll stop the Clintons cold.
@mezzrow
Correction: "Trump Supports Erupt in Hatred and Anger"
The protests are being funded by Soros anyway. If Obama wanted them to be called off, he could do it.
Inevitable? Just if the Democrats lose. Unfortunately, that's not inevitable.
We haven't gotten rid of the last one yet. That filthy Communist Muslim bastard (and also son of a bitch, BTW) has still got over two months to swing his wrecking ball at America.
It appears that thousands of non-citizens voted in California. What does that do to the "Hillary won the popular" narrative?
If this continues for 2 more nights, Obama needs to step in and make a public statement in support of Trump, against the protesters, and enforce the law.
Yes, flag burning is legal. But there are open threats to kill the president elect of the united states. One protester tried to shut down a highway only to get hit by a car. This is not "normal" protesting. There was so much hand-wringing about Trump not accepting the election results, let's see some leadership from our current leaders on dems not accepting them.
"One can only imagine the opposition that would have confronted Hillary Clinton"
I think the word in English is "none."
Wasn't sure how long I should keep my Trump yard sign up, but considering that my first 2 were stolen, and now these loser children are unhappy about the election, that sign isn't moving for a while.
Are they chanting "This is what Democracy looks like"?
I say give them a couple days to vent. They've gone through Denial and shock, and anger is the next step. Eventually acceptance occurs, sooner rather than later.
Total agreement though: If Clinton had won, and similar protests were occurring, the words Hate and Anger would most certainly be in the headline.
Protest last night in Omaha. Historic.
None in Lincoln, Ames, Iowa City or Madison as far as I know.
MM said...Total agreement though: If Clinton had won, and similar protests were occurring, the words Hate and Anger would most certainly be in the headline.
And of course we now have ANSWER and Code Pink back protesting America's wars of aggression under that Evil Hitler
Help me out here. I'm trying to recall which and how many cities had protests (some of them violent) with people chanting "F**k Obama" and "Not my president" across America in 2008 and 2012 after the elections.
Because I'm coming up blank.
Must be that "New Civility" and tolerance I've heard so much about.
Soros wants English-style Anarchists here in the US, ones that everybody is afraid of offending lest they cause $Billions of damage. Putin, Baby, you've got to have some of that Dioxin left, if not Polonium-210.
One can only imagine the opposition that would have confronted Hillary Clinton
Yeah, that smattering of snarky FB posts from the right would have been devastating.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/27aca0786f4fb821ca9062b8e5b63c76387272399bbdd8fb49ad78bb874aae9e.gif
The song was modified in 1898-99 and thereafter sung in the US Army as -
Damn, Damn, Damn the Filipinos
God Damned pock-marked ladrones,
Beneath our starry flag, we'll civilize them with a Krag,
And return us to our beloved home
Several versions.
The Krag was the US Army service rifle at the time.
The problem is in the definition of "excel", isn't it?
I utterly empathize with your take on this, Ann, but the reality is that for some, their definition of "excel" as president would be to utterly reverse the platform Trump ran on.
So we must be resigned to more theoretically objective goals, such as "operate within the law" and so forth.
So we must be resigned to more theoretically objective goals, such as "operate within the law" and so forth.
That would be great! Since we had zero chance of that had Hillary won.
This is the manifestation of " everyone gets a ribbon, there are no losers in the race " culture.
Great to know we are going to see some nice looking chicks instead of a ugly fat woman oozing out of her "comfortable fit" pants for the next 4 years.
I think this election saved feminism from sure-fire death.
zip if you can't remember the rancorous, cantankerous reception that obama got you need to stop and think a minute... i seem to remember the birther 'movement' trying, trying ad nauseum to delegitimize his presidency. this went on and on and trump actually was questioned this cycle and still hasn't put it to bed... then there was the whole mitch mcconnel pledge to obstruct any democrat initiative to ensure that obama was a 1 term persident... and i'm sure if we took the time to google we would find lots of insults etc during the last 8 years... selective memory is a glorious but dangerous thing...
"I'm going to be insisting that he excel at what he's undertaken to do."
No soft bigotry of low expectations for Mr. Trump.
Gwash,
Are you drawing a parallel between these protests and the written/verbal protests against Obama?
Are you drawing a parallel between these protests and the written/verbal protests against Obama?
Sure. A Republican having a negative thought about Obama is equivalent to a Democrat throwing a Molotov cocktail at the Trump Tower. "Excel" means total agreement with the Prog agenda.
zipity: Help me out here. I'm trying to recall which and how many cities had protests (some of them violent) with people chanting "F**k Obama" and "Not my president" across America in 2008 and 2012 after the elections.
Because I'm coming up blank.
What? You don't remember the huge KKK rallies and marches, the nooses everywhere, the mosques burning from coast to coast,the eight year reign of terror by white frat boys on college campuses?
These people do! OK, sure, you can't find any evidence of these events in the archives, and precious few reports of "hate crimes" that pass the smell test, but that only goes to show how white male privilege silences and suppresses women and PoC!
Whose memories am I going to credit, yours, or the unimpeachably reliable and objective witness of the people screaming in the streets today?
GWash said...
zip if you can't remember the rancorous, cantankerous reception that obama got you need to stop and think a minute... i seem to remember the birther 'movement' trying, trying ad nauseum to delegitimize his presidency. this went on and on and trump actually was questioned this cycle and still hasn't put it to bed... then there was the whole mitch mcconnel pledge to obstruct any democrat initiative to ensure that obama was a 1 term persident... and i'm sure if we took the time to google we would find lots of insults etc during the last 8 years... selective memory is a glorious but dangerous thing...
Nice try, but a swing and a miss. I NEVER said Obama wasn't opposed. But can you give me a link to violent vulgar mass demonstrations across 6 or more major cities after his two elections?
No. You cannot. Because there weren't any. Political violence is the basic tool of Liberalism. Period.
Althouse is full of crap to suggest that Trump supporters would behave this way, bubble baby liberals. Republicans are the adults who love our country. Liberal projection. The leaders of these people are probably being paid by George Soros.
GWash said...
"i'm sure if we took the time to google we would find lots of insults etc during the last 8 years... selective memory is a glorious but dangerous thing..."
It doesn't appear that you have a working memory, selective or otherwise. But yeah, by all means, google the rioting that took place in your mind after the Democrats stole the 2012 election. Meanwhile, could you stop calling yourself GWash? It sounds too much like the name of a person a lot of us admire.
"I think we should expect and demand the best from Trump"
He is moving into a crappier house than he lives in right now. His free movement will be impacted, his dining choices will be worse, all in all not a move up.
But, he is a builder, he likes, he craves to see things rise from the ashes.
He doesn't drink and hardly sleeps.
He was a democrat until a few years ago.
He will be interesting to watch.
Of course the Right didn't do dumb sh!+ like this when Obama was elected, and they wouldn't have were Hillary elected.
They have real jobs and families to attend to. It's not like the 36-year-olds living in their moms' basements are big Trump supporters. It's not like actual businesses can shut down for a week of "Mourning the Wrong President" like the special-snowflake Universities can.
The Right doesn't have time to shout "I don't wanna!!" and throw silly tantrums.
Oh, good grief. "One can only imagine" an infinite number of things might have happened if Clinton had won. Once one narrows those imaginations down to actual possibilities, though, you get: prayer circles, prepping for emergencies, arming for self-DEFENSE, and calls for the FBI and IRS to not let up on investigating president-elect Clinton's shady dealings with the Clinton Foundation.
What gets into you, to make you imagine any equivalence at all in the two sides' behaviors?
OH, and a whole lot of cursing. In private or in writing.
One can only imagine the opposition that would have confronted Hillary Clinton, had she won.
Ah, yes – I remember it well – the Tea Party riots after Obama’s historic victories in 2008 and 2012 … oh, wait. Actually nothing of the sort happened at all. Us anti-Obama folks meekly accepted Obama’s victories with nary a demonstration, flag-burning, freeway traffic disruption, etc.
So … I am wondering what the fuck Ms. Althouse is fucking talking about … Must be that academia bubble she lives in. That and her understandable grief over the totally unexpected Hillary defeat and outrage at the phony, reassuring polls that gave her and the other Hillary supporters a false sense of security. It’s causing her to have some very imaginative hallucinations.
Folks grieve and exhibit anger in various ways – some march and riot and some imagine unrealistic bullshit about Trump supporters rioting in the streets in a far-fetch hypothetical. We need to allow her to go through her personal stages of grief with a minimum of ridicule. Show compassion, she needs a safe space now.
i seem to remember the birther 'movement' trying, trying ad nauseum to delegitimize his presidency.
You mean the rumor that Hillary started as she was having her pant-suited ass beaten like a drum by Obama during the 2008 primaries? THAT “birther movement?” I thought the Left had forgiven Hillary for that particular piece of rumor-mongering but past resentments die hard, eh?
https://youtu.be/oqMl5CRoFdk
AllenS: Wasn't sure how long I should keep my Trump yard sign up, but considering that my first 2 were stolen, and now these loser children are unhappy about the election, that sign isn't moving for a while.
You may have already seen this, but here's some helpful groundskeeping advice, for people with your lawn-pest problem.
Althouse said...
"More important is how the winners handle themselves. I'm seeing grace, modesty, and respect.
Or that's what I hope I'm seeing. I think we should expect and demand the best from Trump."
I agree, but still, I'd like Trump to give Obama a DVD of Season 11 Celebrity Apprentice as a gift during their transition meeting today.
Is anyone else noticing that the people who think Trump is a dangerous kind of dictator are afraid he will repeal Obama's policies he pushed through via Executive Order?
While a handful of crybullies are protesting because of Trump's victory, this is getting much less coverage. I guess it doesn't qualify as news because it doesn't fit the narrative.
While we're at it, I know I shouldn't laugh about people losing their jobs but I just couldn't help it when I saw this photo.
"But the protests are a predictable and an inevitable part of American election expression. One can only imagine the opposition that would have confronted Hillary Clinton, had she won." Predictable, yes; inevitable, no. The opposition would have "confronted" Hill politely, without snarling traffic, without burning flags, without harassing her at home. You've seen what progs do in WI. Now they will try to take their destructive act national. Stop the one-can-only-imagine false-equivalence nonsense.
Ivanka is wonderful but that dress is too short. She's my age (mid-thirties), not a teenager.
And isn't Barron around 10 or so? He's so tall!
You mean the rumor that Hillary started as she was having her pant-suited ass beaten like a drum by Obama during the 2008 primaries? THAT “birther movement?” I thought the Left had forgiven Hillary for that particular piece of rumor-mongering but past resentments die hard, eh?
Just for the record - one more time... There is no evidence to support this. the record does not show Clinton or her campaign ever promoting the birther theory, let alone starting it.
This is another internet myth that gets repeated and repeated and finally accepted as true... if you have proof please let me know...
These protesters should check their privilege. The privilege being that apparently they don't have to get up the next morning to go to work. Most of the people who voted for Trump (and Hillary for that matter) are too busy working to have time for this.
Larry--the photo you link to is a Cubs rally in Chicago posing as a Trump rally in Philly. I think the Trumpians are actually at work.
Re: Mitch McConnell quote
At FactCheck.org there is an interesting discussion of what McConnell actually said under the heading "Pelosi stretches an old Mcconnell quote". The gist is that McConnell's real message was, I don't want the president to fail, I want him to change and meet the Republicans halfway.
The Dems have taken a quote out of context and used it for their own ends. What a surprise.
A little info for bubble baby liberals, more white women voted for Trump than crooked Hillary.
GWash said...
You mean the rumor that Hillary started as she was having her pant-suited ass beaten like a drum by Obama during the 2008 primaries? THAT “birther movement?” I thought the Left had forgiven Hillary for that particular piece of rumor-mongering but past resentments die hard, eh?
I'll give you that one. However, it was the Clinton camp that pushed the "Is Obama a Muslim" claim in the run up to the 2008 election.
http://nypost.com/2016/10/14/clinton-campaign-polled-voters-about-obamas-ties-to-islam/
Althouse: "But the protests are a predictable and an inevitable part of American election expression"
A bit of horse shit here. Link us back to the protests after either Obama victory, show us the students in their safe spaces and the grief stricken hysterics and their placards.
"Althouse: "But the protests are a predictable and an inevitable part of American election expression"
"A bit of horse shit here. Link us back to the protests after either Obama victory, show us the students in their safe spaces and the grief stricken hysterics and their placards."
Yeah, its just bubble baby liberal projection.
And this.
"SO BEFORE THE ELECTION THE PRESS WAS ALL “IF TRUMP LOSES, WILL HIS SUPPORTERS ACCEPT IT LIKE GOOD AMERICANS, OR REACT LIKE VIOLENT REDNECKS?” And now that he’s won: Tens of Thousands Protest Trump Election Victory, 124 Arrested.
Will anyone blame Hillary for her campaign’s fear-mongering rhetoric that incited this reaction? And is Jan Schakowsky’s (D-IL) husband Robert Creamer involved in promoting violence post-election the way he was when he was working for Hillary’s campaign?
Flashback: Dem Operative Who Oversaw Trump Rally Agitators Visited White House 342 Times. I mean, maybe this stuff is all spontaneous, but once you’re caught stirring up violence against your opponents, it’s hard to escape suspicion when it happens again."
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/
Ha! I see the Trump motorcade with the ever present ambulance. Were it Hillary's motorcade, we know where she would be riding.
The Obama birthed stuff was conclusively shown to have been started by one Sidney Blumenthal, one of Hillarys chief aides. The chief editor of I think Gannet news released the emails showing it. This was totally a Hillary thing.
--Vance
Ya know, it may only be misty water colored memories, but I seem to remember the San Francisco Police Department TAC squad riding horses and marching through demonstrations in Haight Ashbury beating young men and pretty girls with three foot clubs back in the sixties. Demonstrating does not seem to have the immediate repercussions it used to.
Huggies for all..
David said...apparently they don't have to get up the next morning to go to work
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Maybe there was left-over/re-purposed paid protester money.
Good to know dissent is once again patriotic!
Strange new respect for a limited executive branch is incoming any day now too.
Or that 43 is the number of Republican electors that Obama would have to drone to tip things back the other way.
I really hate college students. According to the Dept of Education, there are about 20M of them enrolled at US colleges/universities. That is roughly 6% of the US population. And everyone knows most of those little pricks don't bother voting anyway. Why should anyone care what they think? F 'em.
And Gallup says 29% of Americans self-identify as Democrats, as of 2015, anyway. So even if you take all the college students and all the Democrats as one block, that's 35% of the population.
Grow up, ya bunch of babies. Didn't you moms ever tell you the world doesn't revolve around you?
Also, I really like the light blue dress on, who is that, one of the daughters? Very pretty. I guess saying that out loud makes me a rapist or misogynist or something - I can't keep up with all the various horrible ways I exist as a straight male cracker.
"One can only imagine the protests if Hillary had won...." Really? Like the rioting in the streets when Obungle won?
You don't get to make up your own reality, Professor.
I despise these rent-a-mobs, Soros-funded fakery. The same stupid crowds that form for Occupy protests or WTO protests or BLM protests or Global Warming protests. The only genuine grass-roots movement this country has seen since 1968 is the Tea Party, a movement so loosely affiliated that the powers in DC were able to ignore and marginalize them.
Clever.
Observe Hillary's supporters protesting the election result.
And then imagine Trump's supporters doing the same.
And then imply that both sides are equally to blame.
Just keep imagining prof ...
Blogger Matthew Sablan said...
Good to know dissent is once again patriotic!
Strange new respect for a limited executive branch is incoming any day now too.
Gridlock is soon to be an essential part of our democracy.
Matthew Sablan said...Strange new respect for a limited executive branch is incoming any day now too.
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Ha! "For the people, by the people! For the people, by the people!"
Have the Capitol singers (Madison) changed their tune(s)?
I suspect a majority of these protestors are just your basic collegiate SJWs, but that a number of them are Occupy Movement/Soros anarchists/criminals.
I can't wait to see the encampments and drum circles again. They accomplished SO much.
dreams: Yeah, its just bubble baby liberal projection.
That's another thing that's interesting about this election. Of course, we've always known that "bubble baby liberals" project and talk nonsense about the people who disagree with them. But I'd like to think that the non-bbls who've been crediting the bbls with good faith up to now have got to be waking up to the batshit, paranoia-soaked animus fueling these projections. Hieronymus Bosch, thou shouldst be living in this hour, to record their phantasmagoria. (Say, a current Krugman column. Sure, you've always been a blinkered bbl ding-bat, but dude, wtff? Talk about Othering and dehumanizing. This is rubber-room level hallucinatory material. And he's not an outlier.)
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Diamond and Silk® @DiamondandSilk 14h14 hours ago
Why do the media give these staged paid protesters attention? Y'all, I bet this was planned by the left to create havoc. #TimeToUnite
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Lou Dobbs Verified account @LouDobbs 46m46 minutes ago
Left Paid Protesters: College students protesting 'a bunch of crybabies' http://washex.am/2eNoRWg via @DCExaminer #MAGA #AmericaFirst #Dobbs
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Buck O'Fama @patdissent 2h2 hours ago
If protesters are being paid, shouldn't the one cutting the checks be civilly and criminally liable?
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DeplorableWinner.357 @SonofLiberty357 4h4 hours ago
#TrumpProtest idiotic Soros paid for http://moveon.org protesters here are your safe space and butthurt form. STFU & get a real job
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Lkweirgal Retweeted erictucker
Soros/Clinton paid protesters being bussed in. Arrest Soros
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Anti-Trump protestors in Austin today are not as organic as they seem. Here are the busses they came in. #fakeprotests #trump2016 #austin
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WKiraW @WKiraW 7h7 hours ago
Anti-Trump ads posted on Craig's list for paid protesters, being brought in by buses. This is not spontaneous, who is paying for this?
Eight To the Bar, I'm Trumpin'.
These protests are stupid...One of the reasons why Trump won so big, is because people are sick of these snowflakes and their political correctness...and "tolerance" from the left
These fucking losers will scatter with the first whiff of grapeshot.....pardon my French.
Ann Althouse said...One can only imagine the opposition that would have confronted Hillary Clinton, had she won.
Eh, I dunno--do you really think right wing people would shut down streets in protest, march around & burn her in effigy? I don't think you have much reason to believe that. The coverage of these protests is neutral-to-sympathetic and I am CERTAIN any similar protests against a Dem elected President (much less the first woman so elected!) would be much harsher.
When right wing people fret that elections going to the Left will curtail freedoms (and they advise people to buy guns & ammo before they're outlawed, etc) the Media & pop culture mock the Right--stupid paranoid hillbillies! My FB feed is FULL of left wing people fretting about all the horrible things the country is going to do to them now and INSISTING that we take their fears & emotions seriously--how dare you say we're being melodramatic, people are SCARED, people are HURTING!
It's not really equivalent--the treatment of dissent and popular concern depends entirely on which side you're talking about.
But I'm not gloating, of course--I didn't think Trump would do it, myself! I have been laugh quite a bit (in private) to the reaction and to the stinging, grand-scale repudiation of everything the Media believes and holds dear. That's definitely been fun and I openly laugh in the Media's faces.
When will Kellyann Conway get respect for her performance?
Time's up. Clear the streets. Jail the agitators. Track down the paymasters and fine them heavily and seek restitution. Why should taxpayers have to pay to clean up after these anarcho-commie scum that the Democrats deploy to keep people in an uneasy state.
Because they lost an election.
This sore-loser parade is a psy-ops move and we need to cut the head off the snake that leads this crap.
From one angle, the election shows a "wide political divide." From another, the country appears more unified than it has been in a long time: solidly red between the coasts, united behind Republicans in most state legislatures, governorships, Congress and the White House.
Who's taking bets as to when we start hearing about Code Pink or ANSWER again?
I'm wagering the first articles about urban homelessness & the plight of people who can only find part time work (in "Trump's economy") will drop about a week after he's sworn in.
Facing the reality of a Trump presidency: "Donald Trump’s Victory Is Met With Shock Across a Wide Political Divide.
"I'm seeing grace, modesty, and respect. Or that's what I hope I'm seeing."
In your face! In your Face!
Please stop. My schaedenboner can only take so much. Yesterday I accidentally destroyed a glass sliding door with it.
MOSCOW — Russian government officials had contacts with members of Donald Trump’s campaign team, a senior Russian diplomat said Thursday, in a disclosure that could reopen scrutiny over the Kremlin’s role in the president-elect’s bitter race against Hillary Clinton.
Things are going to get very interesting.
Sebastian suggested: From one angle, the election shows a "wide political divide." From another, the country appears more unified than it has been in a long time: solidly red between the coasts, united behind Republicans in most state legislatures, governorships, Congress and the White House.
Agree. Looking at the counties across the US, they are overwhelmingly 'red'. One could even make a cogent argument that the concentrated urban/suburban enclaves do not really represent America. And maybe that became quite clear on Tuesday.
"Blogger holdfast said...
Please stop. My schaedenboner can only take so much. Yesterday I accidentally destroyed a glass sliding door with it."
BWAAA HA HA HA HA!! Awesome. :)
I do hope BLM enjoys their last few months of relevance, though.
Inga is concerned.
And it isn't because she just finished a ten-pound pork shoulder in a single sitting.
Kathy Antley asks: When will Kellyann Conway get respect for her performance?
She's had mine since she took over the helm.
"And isn't Barron around 10 or so? He's so tall!"
Barron is 10, and he is very tall. It's an interesting look in that suit with that hair. Androgynous... if you think of him as being 15 or 16. But he is a child. A very tall child in a suit.
Looks like some raggamuffins that need a real job.
Don't worry, better times with better ideas are ahead.
Soon these kids will be moving out of their parents' basement and becoming productive members of a new vibrant economy.
He's quite lovely, and I hope for the best for him. What an incredible adolescence he faces! The Obama girls had each other and they had a father who was, for the most part, loved. Trump is such an odd character and the emotion toward him is very weird. That poor little boy. Rich tall boy.
The "protests if Clinton had won" would probably look like the protests when Obama won. Which... were rather timid affairs.
"Losers: Nasty Women everywhere, but most of all, Elizabeth Warren, although Tuesday she did put her ear to the ground and heard the thundering of Trump voters coming at Hillary like a herd of buffalo on the plain before the Iron Horse."
Lets not forget Althouse, at least honorable mention.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/howie_carr/2016/11/carr_there_was_more_than_one_loser
I think this is wrong. The USA has learned if it did not know that intractable opposition is the way forward for politics. Fight them on the skies, on the beaches, in the streets, in the kitchens, etc.
Also, I wonder how many of these are just people being paid to bird dog in a new and creative way.
That Veritas video is so powerful because EVERY action like this now comes with an asterisk: *Real protest may actually be paid by the DNC.
"He's quite lovely, and I hope for the best for him. What an incredible adolescence he faces! The Obama girls had each other and they had a father who was, for the most part, loved. Trump is such an odd character and the emotion toward him is very weird. That poor little boy. Rich tall boy."
He has a bunch of older half siblings who were obviously raised well and will be both siblings/parent to him and he does have loving parents too.
"The USA has learned if it did not know that intractable opposition is the way forward for politics."
-- What are you talking about? Republicans won because they offered solutions and compromises, and then Democrats shut them out, most noticeably on the ACA. Each step of the way, Republicans offered Democrats a chance to reach compromise, and each step, Democrats said: "We won" and ignored them.
What we learned is that you can't be a rigid ideologue. Clinton was, and she lost. Trump, for all his flaws, is a fairly moderate Republican, especially on social issues, and won.
"Intractable opposition" is why Democrats kept losing to Bush, and then won with Obama, who promised to bring unity instead of the Dean scream/Kerry elitism.
If anyone learned the lesson stated, they just weren't paying attention.
Reality is easy to adjust to. The myths and fake data will destroy you.
Now we get to watch withdrawal symptoms from the media and establishment myths and faked data.
Don 't blame Dr Trump.
Androgynous.
Really? He looked like a boy in a suit to me. But I’m interested. Just what was it about the boy’s appearance that clued you in, professor?
"He's quite lovely, and I hope for the best for him. What an incredible adolescence he faces! The Obama girls had each other and they had a father who was, for the most part, loved. Trump is such an odd character and the emotion toward him is very weird. That poor little boy. Rich tall boy."
I predict Barron will be a likable charming man as an adult because he will have grown up learning via the practice of pleasing his older siblings. I see that in my youngest uncle who had much older siblings and my youngest brother who is much younger than his siblings.
"Androgynous."
Actually, the same thing could have been said about Trump when he was young who was very good looking but not in a rugged sort of way and the same probably of his second oldest son.
After a while all this becomes boring and predictable - if you're old enough and not senile. When the Dems get elected its "The nation has spoken, lets support our new leader push his agenda" - when the Repubs get elected (Reagan, Bush, Bush) its "An anxious nation looks for the President to heal the divide and reach across the aisle"
Pretty soon we'll be hearing about "the tyranny of the majority" and how filibuster is once again a "bulwark of the Republic".
“If we don’t fight, who is going to fight for us? People had to die for your freedom where we’re at today. We can’t just do rallies, we have to fight back. There will be casualties on both sides. There will be, because people have to die to make a change in this world. Trump, enough with your racism. Stop splitting families. Don’t split my family.”
#IfTrumpSupportersSaidIt
Trump got elected despite the vicious lies and smears of the liberals and MSM. He owes them nothing. And after Obama's arrogance and executive orders and Reid arrogance and petty partisanship and playing by Alinksy's rules - the Repubs owe them nothing.
Trump got elected to do certain things, and "reaching across the aisle" to a bunch of assholes who called him a Nazi, fascist, racist, stupid, clownish, evil, rapist and crooked, isn't one of the them.
I really don't have that many worries about Barron. One of the interesting things that Trump's older kids said about him is that he made it a point to bring them to the office on the weekends, where they would play around all his deal making. They have fond memories about it, and no one was surprised that they went into business with him, and were successful at it. I think that his father will make sure that he gets a lot of time around him, maybe in situations that other Presidents have not had their kids involved. Still, Trump is really too old to be raising a kid this age.
Blogger Kathy Antley said...
When will Kellyann Conway get respect for her performance?
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You mean from the press? On the right, I've heard plenty of mention...Trump having her up on stage and mentioned first in line of thanks.
"Still, Trump is really too old to be raising a kid this age. "
True..but I suspect it was part of the "deal"
Kellyann Conway is the first woman to manage a victorious presidential campaign in U.S. history. What have you done lately?
Kudos to President Obama for his nice words about Donald Trump and George W. Bush. He specifically said he was following the example that President Bush set, when we transfer power to the other party. Very high road, very impressive, very presidential.
Also, Donald Trump is always gracious when he wins. He's a sore loser, a bad loser, a horrible loser. But when he wins? He's always gracious and nice to his vanquished opponents. I admire that about him, it's a very American trait.
"Kellyann Conway is the first woman to manage a victorious presidential campaign in U.S. history."
Doesn't count unless you're Democrat says the Instapundit which is obvious.
But the protests are a predictable and an inevitable part of American election expression. One can only imagine the opposition that would have confronted Hillary Clinton, had she won.
I honestly don't think you do, Professor. Certainly there wouldn't have been a bunch of overprivileged college students mixed with professional protesters blocking streets and defacing American flags. Republicans don't do that sort of thing, and you darned well know that.
Le jour de gloire est arrive. Marchons, Marchons. Great marching song of the National Guard of Marseille. But it ends with something about impure blood filling our fields.
"But the protests are a predictable and an inevitable part of American election expression. One can only imagine the opposition that would have confronted Hillary Clinton, had she won."
"I honestly don't think you do, Professor. Certainly there wouldn't have been a bunch of overprivileged college students mixed with professional protesters blocking streets and defacing American flags. Republicans don't do that sort of thing, and you darned well know that."
Althouse was just being a nasty woman.
"Losers: Nasty Women everywhere, but most of all, Elizabeth Warren, although Tuesday she did put her ear to the ground and heard the thundering of Trump voters coming at Hillary like a herd of buffalo on the plain before the Iron Horse."
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/howie_carr/2016/11/carr_there_was_more_than_one_loser
@dreams, I can think of a number of adjectives for Professor Althouse, and most -- though not all! -- of them are complimentary. "Nasty" is nothing I would ever apply to her.
If I were king, what would I do?
Suggestions for Trump?
My mind boggles at all the thing I think I would do, and I don't know if I could do them.
Fix the regulatory state! It's in the Executive Branch, right? So I can do whatever I want, right? Guess he'll find out. Can't fire most of 'em, they're Civil Service? Can he close down divisions by Executive Order? Certainly he can cancel the previous president's Executive Orders.
Repeal Obamacare? I well know that parts of it need to be replaced or kept (guaranteed issue seems to be very popular, and extremely expensive.) I would repeal it anyhow, all of it together, starting a year from today. That gets the political hard part out of the way without the pain hitting now, and then the politicians in Congress on both sides of the aisle can figure out what to send him as a replacement. I don't know, though, if there's a way to stop them from renewing it for "just one more year", at the end of the year. Perhaps include in the repeal an immediate end to the preparatory steps by the insurance companies for the following year; that would probably sabotage a last-minute extension.
Rework our foreign commitments? I would tell NATO, and Japan, and South Korea, that we expect them to pay their way from now on, with every country contributing a similar fraction of their GDP to defense. If they want us to leave, we will.
Reform education in the United States? I would totally reorient the Department of Education, getting rid of most of its functions. Announce that charter schools have as much right to federal support as public schools. Send out a "dear colleague" letter or two to states and schools across the country that there will be no federal support for any school district that cannot fire bad teachers.
There is so much to do! I wonder how much of it can really get done. Here're some of Paul Ryan's plans: http://time.com/4564832/paul-ryan-speech-donald-trump-election/. Sounded good to me; I hope there's some overlap with Donald Trump's plans.
"Still, Trump is really too old to be raising a kid this age."
No, he is not too old. Older dads can be great dads. Trump doesn't have to be young enough to play basketball with him or play catch or any other physical activity with him.
Grandparents are not too old to have grandchildren?
Scott Adams:
Yes, yes, I realize Trump supporters say bad things about Clinton supporters too. I don’t defend the bad apples on either side. I’ll just point out that Trump’s message is about uniting all Americans under one flag. The Clinton message is that some Americans are good people and the other 40% are some form of deplorables, deserving of shame, vandalism, punishing taxation, and violence. She has literally turned Americans on each other. It is hard for me to imagine a worse thing for a presidential candidate to do.
I’ll say that again.
As far as I can tell, the worst thing a presidential candidate can do is turn Americans against each other. Clinton is doing that, intentionally.
Intentionally.
As I often say, I don’t know who has the best policies. I don’t know the best way to fight ISIS and I don’t know how to fix healthcare or trade deals. I don’t know which tax policies are best to lift the economy. I don’t know the best way to handle any of that stuff. (And neither do you.) But I do have a bad reaction to bullies. And I’ve reached my limit.
"@dreams, I can think of a number of adjectives for Professor Althouse, and most -- though not all! -- of them are complimentary. "Nasty" is nothing I would ever apply to her."
We all can be nasty, including Althouse. I didn't like her comment and I think it qualifies as nasty and I suspect she meant to be nasty and I stand by my comment.
"@dreams, I can think of a number of adjectives for Professor Althouse, and most -- though not all! -- of them are complimentary. "Nasty" is nothing I would ever apply to her."
Also, I'm not impressed with your suck-up behavior.
Trump protest planned in Milwaukee Thursday night
One can only imagine the opposition that would have confronted Hillary Clinton, had she won.
I imagine it would have been orderly, law-abiding people who held rallies after getting the required permits who left the rally site cleaner than they found it.
Kind of like the tea party.
But then the tea party was crushed, so now you get Donald Trump.
"But the protests are a predictable and an inevitable part of American election expression. One can only imagine the opposition that would have confronted Hillary Clinton, had she won."
The opposition would be imaginary alright.
Althouse thinks Obama is loved. But somehow his policies are roundly repudiated.
Weird.
I was watching Fox and Friends this morning and they had a correspondent in a diner in Florida who was interviewing some senior citizens on why they had voted for Trump. I felt sorry for those people because you just know that some leftist is going to find out their address/phone numbers/email/facebook/etc, put it up on the Internet, and then they will be harassed. By people who will feel virtuous about doing so. It is impossible for a democracy to continue to function in such an environment. Something is going to break.
"I felt sorry for those people because you just know that some leftist is going to find out their address/phone numbers/email/facebook/etc, put it up on the Internet, and then they will be harassed. By people who will feel virtuous about doing so."
-- This is why I'll never tell anyone except a very few select people how I vote. People might guess, maybe they'll even be right, but I won't admit it and will just point them to my previous opinions [notably my criticisms of both parties this election cycle and what things I thought each candidate might do better or worse] to draw conjectures from.
That 55% Obama approval rating is false just like election polls.
Seems Hillary's ground game came out 24 hours too late.
This is why I'll never tell anyone except a very few select people how I vote.
Yeah, I just made that mistake in a comment on my son's Facebook page. Looks like I damaged him in the eyes of his friends.
"That 55% Obama approval rating is false just like election polls."
-- People have said that for awhile, and I didn't believe it. After the election, I don't know any more.
these are professional protesters - yes that's a thing. "Direct Action" tactics used by community organizers. Hmm...where have I heard that before? Anyway here's a little window into that scene: http://bit.ly/2g1m7H0
"While a handful of crybullies are protesting because of Trump's victory, this is getting much less coverage."
Larry, that's a photo of the post-World Series Chicago Cubs celebration! You can see the Sears-whatever-its-now-called Tower in the background.
>"One can only imagine the opposition that would have confronted Hillary Clinton, had she won."
Yup. Peaceful.
The left is full of bed-wetters--just take one look at all the anger on display in these "protests." And those such as AA hoping, pleading for "grace, modesty, and respect."
Just like Obama. Not. Self-awareness in short supply.
The frightened and befuddled children-- students at the University of Oregon, I mean-- 'marched' from campus to downtown Eugene on the night of the election and did it again yesterday for good measure. And may well continue repeating the (not very strenuous walk) "for some days" (said a police spokesman; the cops are providing an ample escort). Unlike in Portland, I-5 isn't close enough for them to attempt blocking it.
"One can only imagine the opposition that would have confronted Hillary Clinton, had she won."
So much for the big secret about who Althouse voted for...
"One can only imagine the opposition that would have confronted Hillary Clinton, had she won."
They would have been on the streets in their Brooks Bros. suits chanting, "We beg to differ".
The best thing for Barron now, is to send him to a good military boarding school.
Coupe suggests: The best thing for Barron now, is to send him to a good military boarding school.
I would agree. Mommy seems awfully overprotective.
Bruce says: I think that his father will make sure that he gets a lot of time around him, maybe in situations that other Presidents have not had their kids involved. Still, Trump is really too old to be raising a kid this age.
It says a lot about a father when his kids want to join in the family business. With most families I know, the kids can't wait to get out from under Daddy's thumb. My BIL worked in a feed store in Montana rather than take over his father's very successful shipping business in Seattle. He wanted no part of the ulcers and headaches. [He did, however, end up with a very nice trust fund].
Just_Mike_S said...
these are professional protesters - yes that's a thing. "Direct Action" tactics used by community organizers. Hmm...where have I heard that before? Anyway here's a little window into that scene: http://bit.ly/2g1m7H0
11/10/16, 11:43 AM
That's something that always struck me when I look at these protests (BLM, Occupy, etc) is to pay attention to the professional signs (versus the handwritten on cardboard flavor. It's funny how they usually have ANSWER or RevCom at the bottom in a web address (and RevCom's the Revolutionary Communist Party of the US). I wonder if that would change if the city presented them with a bill for damages and police overtime after the next 'spontaneous protest'. and let them know that there's a lien against their assets for payment of said bill.
"One can only imagine the opposition that would have confronted Hillary Clinton, had she won."
I'm imagining it. And it isn't burning flags.
It could be said that the project was completed on time and under budget.
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