September 11, 2016

"The media elites are in a panic. They witnessed the meltdown of their candidate in broad daylight and can feel that shiver up their spine..."

"... except that this time, it is not the delight of victory they are feeling, but the dread of defeat," writes Kenneth R. Timmerman at The Hill.
They watched her spar unsuccessfully over this issue with Clinton Global Initiative member and NBC morning news anchor Matt Lauer during Wednesday night's national security forum, and blamed her poor performance on — Matt Lauer.

The Washington Post is now essentially an arm of the Democratic National Committee. It has done this with deep investigative dive into the penetralia of the Trump empire and no equivalent reporting about the Clinton emails, the Clinton Foundation's corrupt pay-to-play scheme or the nonstop lies from Clinton herself.
All very interesting. Read the whole thing. Timmerman is an out Trump supporter. I'm just going to get distracted by the word "penetralia."

It is a word. Not a coinage. My dictionary — the Oxford English Dictionary — says it's "The innermost parts or recesses of a building; spec. the sanctuary or inner sanctum of a temple. Also fig.: secret parts, mysteries, etc." From the diverse the historical examples:
1876   J. G. Holland Story of Sevenoaks (new ed.) xxiii. 323   They followed the boy into the penetralia of the great office.
1947   B. N. Cardozo Paradoxes Legal Sci. 99   We reach the penetralia of liberty when we throttle the mental life of a group so fundamental.
1994   H. Weinstein Better Man vii. 73   Even since Spock's mind-blowing journey through the vast penetralia of the machine-being V'ger a couple of years earlier.
I just want to say: 1. I hope the boy is okay. 2. I can't find a searchable copy of Cardozo's book, and despite the seeming love of lawyers for Cardozo, I can't find that quote in any case, so I can't tell you what group's penetralia he didn't want to throttle. 3. Nice to see "Star Trek" pop up in this context. And: What a great word! Penetralia. It's like genitalia, but, despite sounding sexier, you can use it in all sorts of contexts, from lofty legal bullshit to pop culture chatter.

117 comments:

rhhardin said...

Who are they lying to? Soap opera women, their audience.

There's the source of the problem.

traditionalguy said...

Penetralia envy is real. That is the awaited new word that no one has ever seen or heard before.

Lord as you promised, you now dismiss your servant in peace.

Todd Galle said...

RE: Star Trek The wife has been binge watching the 50th Anniversary fest. I'd forgotten how many Hollywood 'A' listers did cameos and such.

Greg Hlatky said...

Sounds rapey to me.

YoungHegelian said...

In backing HRC as their candidate, the Democratic-powers-that-be are taking a huge gamble. Just how openly corrupt can a presidential candidate be & still get elected, & if elected, actually govern?

Many people see the choice of Donald Trump as the Republican nominee as a disaster for the Republican Party. Maybe. That out of the chaos of 17 Republican candidates we get Trump because of a disconnect between the Republican base & the money-men is one thing. But, for the entire Democratic political & cultural establishment to get together & choose Hillary as their only possible standard-bearer is a rot of an entirely more profound order. The fact that within the Democratic Party the only faction that resisted Hillary's spell was the space-cadet Left under Bernie Sanders just makes the total picture all the more horrifying.

Virgil Hilts said...

Damn. Would have been the perfect name for our new extremely curious and nosy kitten.

surfed said...

Kudos to Timmerman and to Althouse for the elaboration. I'm going to find usage for it this week at our monthly drinking with the Dictionary night. I'm getting thirty minutes out of this one. My friends will be agog.

viator said...

The elites are busy sharpening their knives and delivering them to Lester Holt, Martha Raddatz, Anderson Cooper, and Chris Wallace. Which one will win the mantle of Brutus?

Todd Galle said...

Surfed -
Do you have a copy of DeGrose's 'Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue'? Fantastic look at 18th Century slang and cant as used in England / America. My copy is at work, we're trying to incorporate some into our interpretive programs at my historic site.

MisterBuddwing said...

Which one will win the mantle of Brutus?

As in, "Et tu, Brutus"? Who's supposed to be Julius Caesar?

Bruce Hayden said...

The Caesar thing is interesting to me. Last night, I watched "Ender's Game", a movie made from the first book in a science fiction series by Orson Scott Card. In it, Hans Solo (Harrison Ford) told Ender that he would have to be Caesar, or Napolean. Ender responded that Caesar died, and Napolean lost. Which meant that Ender, still a kid was being asked to sacrifice himself for humanity. Not one of Ford's stronger performances, or rather, he was too strong for the part, tending to obscure that he wasn't supposed to be the main character - Ender was. Still, decent movie for those of us who read the books first.

whswhs said...

I believe that the English word "pantry" derives from "penetralia." In Roman houses, food was highly valuable and was kept in a secured inner room. . . .

james conrad said...

What a great word! Penetralia. It's like genitalia, but, despite sounding sexier, you can use it in all sorts of contexts, from lofty legal bullshit to pop culture chatter.

ABSOLUTELY! I LIKE IT!

Dr Weevil said...

The Latin verb penetrare doesn't have the unavoidable obscene connotations of the English cognate. One of Catullus' best know poems (11) has a line about traveling to far-off India. Very literally, it means "penetrate the extreme Indians", which always gets a nervous oh-my-god-I-hope-no-one-thinks-I'm-racist-for-laughing laugh in Latin class.

viator said...

MisterBuddwing said...

As in, "Et tu, Brutus"? Who's supposed to be Julius Caesar?

Need you ask?

Mary Beth said...

And now Clinton has left the NYC 9/11 memorial service early for what is reported as appearing to be a "medical episode". Reporters were told not to follow her.

sane_voter said...

And now Clinton has left the NYC 9/11 memorial service early for what is reported as appearing to be a "medical episode". Reporters were told not to follow her.

Let's hope there is some video of the episode. Or it will be ignored by the rest of the media.

Her pool reporters were kept from following. Nothing suspicious there . . .

Laslo Spatula said...

"Ms. Meadows, Clinically Depressed Therapist"

Many of my clients, their depression stems from the nagging truth of having fallen short in life. Well-educated, they thought they would be among the Elite, but the Elite have no time for them. They are on the Outside, and this empties them out from the Inside -- of Pride, of Hope, of Dignity, of an Identity that was never theirs...

Of course, they wishfully think there still could be Time. Things could change. They could -- finally -- attain the Status they believe they deserve...

It will not happen.

Ever.

Cards have been dealt.

You will never be Elite, which means you will always be Nothing. I have accepted this in myself, and rarely consider suicide anymore. Well, I still think about suicide a lot, but I feel there is a difference now: at least when I drink enough to ignore the contradictions...

And that is the best I can do for my patients: gently get them to settle for the life they have, and tell them this acceptance makes a difference. Of course, they never accept this. Which is why I have a steady business. Depression is a market that is always accepting new customers...

I am very drunk, but I will drive to the Liquor Store to get more alcohol. It's OK, I make the drive drunk all the time...

I am Laslo.

Original Mike said...

MTP pre-empted discussion of Hillary's "basket of deplorables" to say Hillary is fine.

Clever.

Terry said...

If people believe Hillary's election is in doubt, she will lose. This is what happened in the Democratic primary in 2008. Looks like it may be happening now.

Big Mike said...

And now the media elites have to explain away what seems to have been a serious medical episode of some sort.

"Nothing to see here. Move along."

James Graham said...

"What a great word!"

Agreed. I've written it down and look forward to using it.

Martha said...

Hillary! literally melted down at the 9/11 commemoration in NYC.
She became faint, knees buckled, shoe came off and slipped under her van.
A passer-by had to retrieve the shoe.

was Hillary! overcome by the heat of the day
OR
was this a result of a few too many Sunday morning Bloody Mary's?

Bruce Hayden said...

As I noted in another thread, Crooked Hillary possibly fainting could be a game changer. I think that this could blow open the question of her health. Just imagine a President who couldn't stand in the sun long enough to review troops, or listen to long speeches when meeting foreign leaders. Or to give graduation speeches.

Possibly making this worse for her campaign, her knees apparently buckled as she possibly fainted, and her security/medical detail rushed her out, and her press pool was prevented from following. Possibly the biggest story of the campaign, and they are forced to stand on the sidelines. Which is why I expect the campaign discussion to shift from whether she made up words, or how many Trump supporters are deplorable, or whether he was using sarcasm or hyperbole, to whether she is too ill to be President, and maybe too sick to even be running.

David Begley said...

82 in NYC. Global warming crisis. More windmills will fix this.

Bruce Hayden said...

I may be speaking too soon here, but I do feel a bit sorry for Crooked Hillary. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if she hitched her wagon to Bill's because she saw him as a potential route to the White House, and then that she was the one pushing him to run for the Presidency. She has always seemed the more ambitious of the two. Then, after the co-Presidency failed to work, and Slick Willie was impeached, she figured out a route to the White House on her own. Eight years as a Senator, the on prestigious committees should work. Except that Obama and his people beat her, but she leveraged her (and her husband's) support for the Secretary of State job (for which she had no real qualifications). That would give her even more credentials for when Obama retired, and she could run again. Meanwhile, she and her people were greasing the skids of her nomination, sidelining any real serious candidates. Building an unbeatable funding operation. Building up obligations and relationships This was her last real chance. She may have been working 40 years for this, and stands to lose it all to a guy, somewhat a friend, who joined moped into politics maybe a year ago on a whim.

glenn said...

Foolish Earthlings, if it's not in the NYTWAPO, or on ABCNNBCBS it didn't happen. Now shut up.

Sydney said...

@ToddGalle - your vulgar dictionary is available online in pdf format. Thanks for bringing it up. I have been looking for something like this.

Curious George said...

Bruce Hayden said...
Possibly making this worse for her campaign, her knees apparently buckled as she possibly fainted, and her security/medical detail rushed her out, and her press pool was prevented from following."

Not "possibly" or "apparently", there's video. Here's a guy the videotaped it and posted it on twitter.

https://twitter.com/zgazda66?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Johnny Sokko said...

sweetie, go fetch grandma another jar of pickles so she can open them for uncle jimmy and america

Curious George said...

"Johnny Sokko said...
sweetie, go fetch grandma another jar of pickles so she can open them for uncle jimmy and america"

LOL

Curious George said...

Watch the female secret service agent at :18 startle enough to look in when she should be looking out.

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Bruce Hayden said...

@curious - thx. Notice the big black guy who opened the door to her van, and helped her in, after she collapsed? Bets are he is not security, but rather the health care guy who was carrying that injector earlier, and seems to be right next to her whenever she has anything approaching a health care incident.

Jupiter said...

Did someone throw a bucket of water on her?

Bruce Hayden said...

PS - I was expecting that guy to be close to her when this happened, and wasn't surprised. That is why I used the term "security/medical detail", while everyone else was using just "security detail". He tends mostly to dress like her Secret Service detail, and blends in. But he is right there whenever she has medical issues, and we have seen him in action 3 or 4 times so far.

Bruce Hayden said...

Hate to gloat about being right, but Chris Cilliza, of the WaPo, just made it official. Crooked Hillary's health just moved from the realm of right wing conspiracies to the front page.

Roughcoat said...

I don't think Hillary's health issues will be a game changer. Focus on the Electoral College. The Dems already enjoy a massive and almost insurmountable lead in the EC. I don't know how or if Trump can overtake it. And I don't think that Hillary, short of withdrawing from the race because of poor health, can lose that lead.

Bruce Hayden said...

The WaPo article was interesting in how Cilliza tried so hard to justify calling attention to her health. He repeatedly said that up until today, there was no evidence to support all the Rightwing conspiracy theories about her health, but two health issues within a week (the coughing fit six days ago, and the fainting today) forced him to change his mind. After all, her personal physician had assured us in general terms that she was just fine. And that she had recovered completely from the brain fart that caused her to forget her four years as Secretary of State (or at least the national security ramifications of using a private, insecure email server, Blackberrys, and iPad). Etc. one of the more extensive CYAs I have seen for reporting the actual news, instead of Clinton campaign spin. He was reluctant bearer of ill tidings, and essentially apologized to his colleagues for doing his job.

Johnny Sokko said...

I'd like to send HRC the new get-well basket of deplorables from FTD, so I send it to the NY or DC address?

buwaya puti said...

Big black guy looks too fat to be SS.
I thought they had fitness standards.

Laslo Spatula said...

"Big black guy looks too fat to be SS."

He is the black 'Medical Chauffeur' in "Reviving Miss Daisy."

(cross-posted from earlier post)

I am Laslo.

Bruce Hayden said...

I think that we have seen that big guy twice now take one of her arms, while someone takes the other, and help her. The other one, I believe, was when he helped up the stairs of that house last spring. And that may be part of why her medical attendant is so big. Sure, he may be a bit fat, but my guess is that he makes up for it by being strong. He looks ethnically like the blacks originally from central west Africa who play line in the NFL.

grackle said...

From the Sunday morning panels:

This Trump supporter was expecting the Hillary surrogates to double down on the “deplorable” gaffe and they are. When you think about it they have no other choice. Wonderful!

What they are also doing is priming Lester Holt for Lester to “fact-check” Trump during the debate, a la Candy Crowley with Romney, not just in a one-off but for the entire debate. Here again this Trump supporter is expecting poor ol’ Lester to dutifully follow their instructions.

Here also they have no choice – they all suddenly realized after her security forum performance that she is going to be toast in the upcoming debate. Trump will eat her alive – unless they can somehow stymie Trump.

But Trump is not Romney.

Bruce Hayden said...

Making things more interesting Scott Adams has asserted that the Crooked Hillary campaign is, essentially, over. His psychological theory is that Americans are emotional creatures, and one of the things that we are emotional about is 9/11. She couldn't even make it through the 9/11,ceremony at Ground Zero, so what makes us believe that she can protect us from the next 9/11? Interesting to see how this plays out.

walter said...

Blogger Johnny Sokko said...I'd like to send HRC the new get-well basket of deplorables from FTD, so I send it to the NY or DC address?
--
Not FTD but..floating this alternative:
http://www.leadballoons.com/

Michael K said...

"But he is right there whenever she has medical issues, and we have seen him in action 3 or 4 times so far."

Yes, I've been wondering who he is for a couple of weeks. He was there when she froze in front of those demonstrators.

He makes me think of Michael Jackson's doctor but I guess he's not available.

Jupiter said...

Roughcoat said...

"I don't think Hillary's health issues will be a game changer."

You are correct. Hillary voters are not voting for a President, they are voting for a benefits package. And they are confident that Clinton's machine will deliver that package, even if Madame President can't get out of bed.

Jupiter said...

It is kind of amusing to contemplate Hillary Clinton sitting at her desk in the Oval Office. Right there where Monica earned her Presidential kneepads. Someone hand her a cigar.

Bruce Hayden said...

@Dr K - you are a medical expert here. That guy seems to be ready to inject her with anti-seizure meds, as well as help support her (at least twice now). My guess is some sort of nurse. Likely, I would think, an RN. Could be an MD, but that would seem to be overkill. Not sure though if an LPN would have enough autonomy for his role. Expect that there are other alternatives too, but guessing that RN was most likely. Your thoughts.

Char Char Binks said...

"Penetralia" is a portmanteau for "penetrating genitalia".

Clyde said...

Meltdown. Today, she claims to have literally overheated ("I'm melting!") and it may well be something worse. Doesn't go to the hospital but instead convalesces at her daughter's apartment for an hour-and-a-half. Riiiiiiiight. Her people can whistle past the graveyard and tell us she's fine, but she doesn't look fine. And she wants the world's most stressful job that ages its possessor in dog years. Look how much Obama aged in the job, and he spent half his time golfing. She's already past retirement age, and really shouldn't be chosen for a job like the presidency, even if she wasn't an amoral criminal.

walter said...

What's the "portmanteau" for using obscure language like "penetralia" to suggest deep thinking?

Jupiter said...

September 11, 2016
"The media elites are in a panic. They witnessed the meltdown of their candidate in broad daylight and can feel that shiver up their spine..."

Prophetic!

http://tinyurl.com/jeqjsyx

walter said...

Blogger Clyde said..
Look how much Obama aged in the job, and he spent half his time golfing.
--
Hey..those are demanding courses...and hard to concentrate with all the other crap threatening to intrude. "Mr. president this..Mr. president that.."

Marc Puckett said...

@Surfed @ToddGalle @Sydney 'Ambidexter, a lawyer who takes fees from both the plaintiff and the defendant', ha. Much more amusing, Captain Grose, than nonsense on television.

Rhythm and Balls said...

Things like this make me feel more and more justified in voting 3rd party and being fine with the outcome if Drumpf wins. If the Democrats need to be licked that badly to learn their lessons, then so be it.

mockturtle said...

I don't think age has much to do with it. I am about Hillary's age and not only look much better [she modestly opined] but am in much better physical shape. She just isn't well. While I would hate to see her elected, it worries me that her health might somehow result in a disruption in the election process or a more viable Democratic candidate.

walter said...

So..what was the temperature where she was "overheated"?

Tim really needs to up his cheer-leading to give cover for these obviously risky stronger together in motion moments.
Like..
Tim with one of those cone megaphones (in H sweater..& shorts) cheering a human pyramid build as a snare drummer builds the tension as they lift Tim to the top and they all shout "Vagina!"
In tighter quarters, Tim could just keep moving one of those foam pillars to block the cameras.

chickelit said...

Just remember that Trump was the one who was supposed to be forced out due to media coverage.

grackle said...

Hey..those are demanding courses.

Nicely done.

grackle said...

Just remember that Trump was the one who was supposed to be forced out due to media coverage.

They’ve done about everything they could short of burn him at the stake.

Darrell said...

So Hillary--who told us that she was in perfect health and many of the commenters here believed her--had a major health incident. And the lying Media covered her as best they could because they were ready to act because they knew she was in poor health. Now many commenters play word games or make non-responsive chatter. Hmmm.

Mrs Whatsit said...

walter: According to Google, it was 71 degrees in NYC at 10 this morning --and her collapse happened half an hour before that. I set my office AC at 71. I don't think the "overheated" explanation is going to cut it.

And jupiter, I see what you did there. All my beautiful wickedness, melting, melting!

Darrell said...

Papa Motumbo--the Gris-Gris Hoodoo priest who re-animated Hillary's dead body for this campaign on George Soros's dime says he is certainly earning his money. He may have to ask for more.

walter said...

71 outside..but inside that pantsuit ;)

Hey Darrel,
Never denied she has health issues. But some of your examples are STILL specious.
So just let reality play out without seeing it round every corner.

Darrell said...

Hey Walter. Learn to read and spell what you read.

Darrell said...

Is walter another sockpuppet of Chuck? I didn't buy a scorecard.

Michael K said...

"Could be an MD, but that would seem to be overkill."

Could be a nurse but there are lots of doctors who seek this contact with celebrities. I know a couple.

The producer of "Top Gun" Don Simpson was one of the doctor shoppers..

At the time of his death, there were twenty-one different drugs in his system including antidepressants, stimulants, sedatives, and tranquilizers. In August 1996, investigative reporter Chuck Philips of The Los Angeles Times revealed that Simpson had been obtaining large quantities of prescription drugs from fifteen different doctors and that police found 2,200 prescription pills in his home.

There are doctors buzzing around these people. Jack Kennedy was going to a quack and, if you believe the stories, getting IV amphetamines.

It could be a nurse but I'll bet on a doc. One of the doctors who had been treating Simpson also OD'd.

It's a strange world.

Darrell said...

If he is anything other than a Secret Service agent, that would be another Hillary lie. For the record.

richardsson said...

Well, it's over but it's not over. She will fight like a wounded, cornered cat to stay in this race. No one will even dare suggest to her face that she leave the race, But, she is seriously ill without a doubt. This is beginning to look to me like an episode of the Twilight Zone.

Rob McLean said...

Yahoo and CNN are reporting Hillary had pneumonia since Friday.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/overheated-hillary-clinton-still-set-182339222.html

Michael K said...

Apparently the Big Black Guy with the syringe is Todd Madison, the head of the SS detail.

So he is not a doc or a nurse. I wonder what he knows about her condition ?

Michael K said...

They are also now denying the black object in his hand was a syringe.

Mainor previously told NY Times columnist Jim Rutenberg that the item being carried in the left hand of the man we now know to be Clinton’s Detail Leader was actually a small flashlight, and not “diazepam syringe”.

TRUNEWS correspondent Edward Szall asked the former Secret Service agent to comment on the picture described above, which the source confirmed was likely a SureFire black light (example here), noting that many agents carry handheld tactical lights as part of their standard equipment.


Hmmmm.

HT said...

According to the media, to the major media, she's got pneumonia. So what's still being hidden?

Bruce Hayden said...

@DK - thx about SS. Still surprised that she had SS protection last spring when he helped up the stairs to that house. But it would make sense that a primary could somewhat pick their lead, and she is obviously comfortable with the guy, with him helping to support her at least twice, and patting her on the back that time when she was speaking.

Many of us have, or at least I, missed your participation here. But, I also understand your reticence, the way that the left wing trolls and Crooked Hillary trolls go after you. Inevitably, they seemed to get personally vendictive with you. Life is too short for that type of brain damage.

Michael said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11-EAzsGxgQ

Better look from a closer camera/angle.

Michael said...

Perfect health!! Touch of pneumonia, maybe a tiny bit of stroke. Nothing to see here.

HT said...

Are you saying she was stroking out?

tim in vermont said...

I guess he needs a flashlight to check her pupil response.

Terry said...

From the Times report on Hillary's concussion and blood clot:
Hillary Rodham Clinton, whose globe-trotting tour as secretary of state was abruptly halted last month by a series of health problems, was discharged from a New York hospital on Wednesday evening after several days of treatment for a blood clot in a vein in her head.

The news of her release was the first welcome sign in a troubling month that grounded Mrs. Clinton — preventing her from answering questions in Congress about the State Department’s handling of the lethal attack on an American mission in Libya or being present when President Obama announced Senator John Kerry as his choice for her successor when she steps down as secretary of state.
. . .
Mrs. Clinton, 65, was admitted to NewYork-Presbyterian/Columbia hospital on Sunday after a scan discovered the blood clot. The scan was part of her follow-up care for a concussion she sustained more than two weeks earlier, when she fainted and fell, striking her head. According to the State Department, the fainting was caused by dehydration, brought on by a stomach virus. The concussion was diagnosed on Dec. 13, though the fall had occurred earlier that week.

The clot was potentially serious, blocking a vein that drains blood from the brain. Untreated, such blockages can lead to brain hemorrhages or strokes. Treatment consists mainly of blood thinners to keep the clot from enlarging and to prevent more clots from forming, and plenty of fluids to prevent dehydration, which is a major risk factor for blood clots.
. . .
Clinton’s blood clot formed in a large vein along the side of her head, behind her right ear, between the brain and the skull. The vein, called the right transverse sinus, has a matching vessel on the left side. These veins drain blood from the brain; blockages can cause strokes or brain hemorrhages. But if only one transverse sinus is blocked, the vein on other side can usually handle the extra flow.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/us/politics/hillary-clinton-is-discharged-from-hospital-after-blood-clot.html?_r=0


Love this bit here:

With only a few weeks before the end of President Obama’s first term — the time frame she set for her own departure — she will be able to do little more than say goodbye to the state department employees lucky enough to have survived her tenure.


Okay, I edited that last bit for clarity.

Michael McClain said...

Why do you need a flashlight in total daylight?

Mine stays stowed away in my everyday carry case in my briefcase/day pack until needed.

HT said...

So having the flashlight is some ominous sign that she's at risk for a stroke? So what if she is? You don't think there's medical personnel available to get her taken care of quick as can be? Isn't Trump also at risk for a stroke? Stop beating around the bush and say exactly what it is you are so concerned about.

Terry said...

Blogger HT said...
So having the flashlight is some ominous sign that she's at risk for a stroke?

SOP for a suspected stroke is to shine a light in the r & l eyes and look for a symmetrical pupil response.

Michael K said...

"Stop beating around the bush and say exactly what it is you are so concerned about."

The question was whether it was Valium for seizures. She froze at that August rally when confronted by demonstrators. Was it a seizure ? I don't know but that was when he was seen with the object in his hand.

tim in vermont said...

Hillary's doctor says she was coughing from allergies and fainted at the 9/11 ceremonies as a reaction to her medication because she was overheated and dehydrated.

Dehydrated and overheated first thing in the morning on a lovely cool day. OK.

HT said...

pupillary response is part of any physical assessment.

HT said...

Ok, so I'm seeing stroke risk and possible seizure disorder. What else ya got. And what is the speculated cause of this seizure disorder?

HT said...

oh, and not pneumonia, right?

MadisonMan said...

The campaign is like the Politburo when Andropov and Chernenko were sick.

Terry said...

Blogger HT said...
Ok, so I'm seeing stroke risk and possible seizure disorder. What else ya got. And what is the speculated cause of this seizure disorder?

See my 6:01.
The concussion was diagnosed on Dec. 13, though the fall had occurred earlier that week.
So she falls, has head trauma, and it takes days to get her to a doctor? Really?

HT said...

(Whoa, beautiful sunset in DC, fyi)

I'm just trying to keep up. So she concussed after a fall .... caused by a seizure? Is that what you are saying?

Maguro said...

I wouldn't think you'd want to examine someone's pupil response with a SureFire flashlight. They're incredibly bright.

tim in vermont said...

So she lied about coughing due to allergies when in fact she was suffering from pneumonia. Whodathunk Hillary would ever lie?

tim in vermont said...

So she concussed after a fall .... caused by a seizure? Is that what you are saying?

Who knows why she fell, but she suffered damage to her brain. She might have fallen because she is elderly and a bit overweight. She may have been knocking back a couple of martinis. Who knows? But in the emails, Huma allowed as to how Hillary often seemed "confused."

tim in vermont said...

Documents released Friday [9/2] by the Federal Bureau of Investigation reveal that Hillary Clinton told the agency she could not recall all of the briefings she received on preserving sensitive materials during her transition out of her job as Secretary of State after a concussion she sustained in 2012.

tim in vermont said...

HT, just substitute George W Bush for HRC, read the story again, and see how you would read it then.

HT said...

what story?

Terry said...

Blogger HT said...
(Whoa, beautiful sunset in DC, fyi)

I'm just trying to keep up. So she concussed after a fall .... caused by a seizure? Is that what you are saying?

9/11/16, 6:43 PM

I'm just speculating, HT. How unusual is it for people to suffer a concussion as a result of a 'stomach virus'? How unusual is it for this concussion to go undiagnosed for days?
"They went to all this trouble to say she had staged what was a terrible concussion that required six months of very serious work to get over," [Bill Clinton] said. "It's something she never low-balled with the American people, never tried to pretend it didn't happen."
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/05/hillary-clinton-took-6-months-to-get-over-concussion-bill-says-of-timeline/

There is something fishy about this. Although her spokes people have stated that concussion was the result of fainting and a fall due to a 'stomach virus', no one seems to know the exact date she fell, other than that it was between Dec. 9 and Dec. 12, 2012.

HT said...

FWIW I always thought Hilary was too old to run which is one reason I was so sure she wouldn't. (Trump too, but I never thought one way or the other about his running before he decided to or make it known). I can't really comment much on 2012. Much more concerning to me is the video today. That is dehydration? To collapse like that is not mild dehydration. Seems she lost muscle tone. And yet, she made a recovery and popped back out a few hours later. I can't explain it right off the top of my head.

traditionalguy said...

By now Hillary has bleach bitted everything in her control that will disclose her chronic Parkinson's Disease and Levodopa drug reaction.

I just hope no unexplained deaths happen in the course of this cover up.

Rusty said...

" And yet, she made a recovery and popped back out a few hours later. I can't explain it right off the top of my head."

Amphetemines

JAORE said...

Let's see.

Thursday: (+-) Talk of Hillary's health is reckless and trash talk by trash people.
Friday: (+-) That coughing spell (and, presumably the others before) was allergies.
Today: Overheated, at temperatures in the high 70s.
Today (later): Hillary has been fighting pneumonia for a few days... and still, for effect, embraced a child.

This changing of explanations is SOP for her. Yet, I continue to read/hear the Clinton explanations repeated in the press as if they represented fact.

One has to purposely suspend belief to accept ANY of Hillary's statements about ANYTHING.

Joe said...

Watch the video. Watch her legs. That's not fainting, it's a seizure. This is madness.

Andrew Pardue said...

The wide receivers went deep down field as penetralia in a last ditch effort to score a touchdown.

Rob Schwarz said...

Every 2 terms the US electorate switches party. 2 years democrats, 2 years republicans, 2 years democrats. It's like clockwork except for the Carter/George Sr correction. We just get tired of defending our idiots and that results in low turnout at the polls.

I believe the Democrats know this and expected Hillary to run and lose but because of the media has ramped up Trump hate to such a level, and cooked polls, it started to look like she might have a chance. Now they are seeing it slip back to what they'd originally expected.

walter said...

That classic mockumentary was originally titled "This is Penetralia" until trademark issues err..sprang up.

Bill Crawford said...

A statement from the Trump campaign:

“After seeing the video of Mrs. Clinton today, we thought her health issues were very serious. We are relieved to hear it is attributed to the more common ailment of pneumonia. Granted, pneumonia can be a serious disease, taking the life of Muppet creator Jim Henson at age 53.

“We hope and pray for her quick recovery. If she should win the election (something we are not hoping for, by the way!), she will need to be at full strength. As stressful as running for president is, actually being president is much more so.

“God be with you, Mrs. Clinton.”

I wish.

TBlakely said...

"penetralia"

triggered :P

Martha said...

What Joe said:

Watch the video. Watch her legs. That's not fainting, it's a seizure. This is madness.

If a person faints they go limp and slide downward—not lurch in fits and starts.
And if fainting were suspected, the remedy would be putting the person's head between the legs to get blood to the brain. A prone position is even better—fainting occurs when blood pools in the lower extremities.

Hillary's! handlers propped her upright. Why?

Rt1 Rebel said...

I wasn't even watching her legs, and I could see her upper body convulse at least 3 times before she fell off of the curb.

Pneumonia? That seems relatively easy to diagnose. Especially since she's had cough-gate for what seems like months. The initial excuse was heat exhaustion, it was 79 degrees at the time and very breezy. None of it adds up.

walter said...

Weirdness from Wapo:

The incident also raised questions about Clinton's traveling group of reporters, which she left behind at Ground Zero when she departed unexpectedly, leaving the press with no knowledge of her whereabouts or condition for about 90 minutes.

Clinton travels with a small group of reporters and photographers representing broadcast and print outlets. The arrangement, called a “pool,” approximates the rotating group of press outlets that travel with the president.

Trump has no such pool, a break with past candidates. He had no reporters with him Sunday, when he appeared unannounced at the same memorial ceremony Clinton attended.
--
So..no one to tell reporters anything? If this was pneumonia, wouldn't she have said something about it being a cold during that previous extended coughing jag? I thought she had attributed that to meds or something.
And..how is it that Trump has no pool? His choice or media's? I can see Trump not wanting one frankly..but weird to not specify that in article.

Nate Whilk said...

"What a great word! Penetralia. It's like genitalia, but, despite sounding sexier, you can use it in all sorts of contexts, from lofty legal bullshit to pop culture chatter."

If a man uses it on a college campus, I predict he'll be accused of sexual harassment. Or if he uses it within earshot of that insane feminist who melted down because she thought the joke name "Hugh Mungus" was sexual assault.

Drago said...

I don't think anyone really understands what is happening here.

One of Soros grandkids is making donations to the Clinton Global Initiative money laundering scheme and is having Hillary flop about for fun.

Bad Lieutenant said...

Not Oladotun A. Okunola, M.D.?

"Dr. Okunola joins the prestigious Neurology group, Neuroscience Center of Northern New Jersey, to provide a variety of specialized care. He specializes in epilepsy, clinical neurophysiology, and sleep medicine."

Seeing him in that plaid shirt (in another photo), whoever he is, did not make me think "Oh, USSS Detail Lead." I do agree that thing in his hand was probably not a Diazepam pen, but hard to know what it was, or if a flashlight, why it was in his hand (as for gun hand, how do we know his chirality).

RDYarnell said...

I used timeanddate weather history for this: weather in NYC at time of HRC exit on 9-11-2016 was 79°F with 54% humidity, scattered clouds and a northeast wind at 9 mph. Where I live in Kansas, this would be considered as a cool, pleasant day!

Jack Burton said...

Sounds rapey to me.

Don't be so niggardly with your thoughts.