"Like, already I feel like they should have never OK'd guns in Wisconsin. They already know what our black youth was doing anyway. These young kids gotta realize this is all a game with them. Like they’re playing Monopoly. You young kids falling into their world, what they want you to do. Everything you do is programmed. I had to blame myself for a lot of things too because your hero is your dad and I played a very big part in my family’s role model for them. Being on the street, doing things of the street life: Entertaining, drug dealing and pimping and they’re looking at their dad like 'he’s doing all these things.' I got out of jail two months ago, but I’ve been going back and forth in jail and they see those things so I’d like to apologize to my kids because this is the role model they look up to. When they see the wrong role model, this is what you get. They got us killing each other and when they even OK'd them pistols and they OK'd a reason to kill us too. Now somebody got killed reaching for his wallet, but now they can say he got a gun on him and they reached for it. And that’s justifiable. When we allowed them to say guns is good and it’s legal, we can bear arms. This is not the wild, wild west y’all. But when you go down to 25th and center, you see guys with guns hanging out this long, that’s ridiculous, and they’re allowing them to do this and the police know half of them don’t have a license to carry a gun. I don’t know when we’re gonna start moving. I’ve gotta start with my kids and we gotta change our ways, to be better role models. And we gotta change ourselves. We’ve gotta talk to them, put some sense into them. They targeting us, but we know about it so there’s no reason to keep saying it’s their fault. You play a part in it. If you know there’s a reason, don’t give in to the hand, don’t be going around with big guns, don’t be going around shooting each other and letting them shoot y’all cause that’s just what they’re doing and they’re out to destroy us and we’re falling for it."
Said Patrick Smith, Sylville Smith's father.
Sylville Smith is the 23-year-old man shot dead last night in Milwaukee, touching off rioting. The police officer who shot him,
the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports, was also a black man, according to Police Chief Edward Flynn, who has seen the body camera video.
"I mean, there was virtually no time between the officer unhooking his seat belt, turning on his body camera, getting out of the car and immediately he was in a foot chase. That foot chase went maybe a few dozen feet before he encountered this individual in a fenced yard," Flynn said. "The individual was armed. The individual did turn toward the officer with the firearm in his hand. You can't tell when the officer discharges his firearm."...
Flynn said... that based on the video, the officer faced a credible threat. He said Smith did not comply with an officer's command to drop his gun. There is no indication that Smith fired a shot. "It (the gun) was in his (Smith's) hand. He was raising up with it."
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"don’t give in to the hand"
Mistranscription or slang I've never noticed before?
"There is no indication that Smith fired a shot." Why is this sentence included in the article, in this form? As if to suggest "firing a shot" should be a requirement before a policeman can justifiably fire his own gun.
Yes, it's white folks who allow blacks to have guns who are at fault here.
White folk are so clever, coming up with new ways to kill black folk.
"But when you go down to 25th and center, you see guys with guns hanging out this long, that’s ridiculous, and they’re allowing them to do this and the police know half of them don’t have a license to carry a gun."
There are laws about this sort of thing, I believe. If police know people are carrying guns unlicensed and are not doing anything about it, that's a problem. Are they giving in and choosing not to enforce the laws?
That's the most personal responsibility I've seen in any of the recent discussions on similar matters, even if it is tied in to some very twisted up logic about the freedom to do something causing people to abuse that freedom in a negative manner.
If the police officer were White, Obama already would have sent a Justice Department investigative team to Milwaukee to try to prepare a federal indictment.
Since the police officer is Black, however, we are in uncharted waters. It will be interesting to see what Obama will do now.
My guess is that he will keep his investigative team in reserve for the next incident where the police officer is White.
Okay, guys, maybe Mr. Smith ain't 100% were we here might like him to be, but he's on the right path & getting there.
Yeah, he's not eloquent with the press & he's not exactly a boy scout himself, but he's still suffered an awful lot of hurt. This guy's just lost his son. Cut him some slack.
Rights and responsibilities. A gun is a tool, similar to a scalpel. They do not have to be used to commit abortion. Also, [class] diversity schemes promote fear and hate.
Some rules to live by
When stopped by the police:
1) Don't run
2) Don't pull out a weapon or anything that looks like a weapon
Alternate wording.
When stopped by the police:
1) Don't be an asshole
. . . they should have never OK'd guns in Wisconsin. They already know what our black youth was doing anyway.These young kids gotta realize this is all a game with them. Like they’re playing Monopoly. You young kids falling into their world, what they want you to do. Everything you do is programmed.
Sad. It is first of all, "they" white folk's fault that black folks get shot for disobeying the law. It is the white folks fault that blacks obtain guns illegally and people get killed. Then comes the recriminations.
I had to blame myself for a lot of things too because your hero is your dad and I played a very big part in my family’s role model for them. Being on the street, doing things of the street life: Entertaining, drug dealing and pimping and they’re looking at their dad like 'he’s doing all these things.' I got out of jail two months ago, but I’ve been going back and forth in jail and they see those things so I’d like to apologize to my kids because this is the role model they look up to. When they see the wrong role model, this is what you get.
But it is still "they" white folks at fault.
They got us killing each other and when they even OK'd them pistols and they OK'd a reason to kill us too. Now somebody got killed reaching for his wallet, but now they can say he got a gun on him and they reached for it. And that’s justifiable. When we allowed them to say guns is good and it’s legal, we can bear arms. This is not the wild, wild west y’all. But when you go down to 25th and center, you see guys with guns hanging out this long, that’s ridiculous, and they’re allowing them to do this and the police know half of them don’t have a license to carry a gun.
Oh, but I forgot, one protester said rich people got all this money “and they not trying to give us none.” How many ways are there to say, "I'm sorry?"
I have no sympathy for the man. None. If he had done his job as a father his son would probably be alive today.
Like, already I feel like they should have never OK'd guns in Wisconsin.
OK.
don’t be going around shooting each other and letting them shoot y’all cause that’s just what they’re doing and they’re out to destroy us and we’re falling for it.
OK.
When stopped by the police:
1) Don't be an asshole
My favorite advice video [Chris Rock]:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
I will quote from Althouse's previous post.
"Tom Barrett, a Democrat, has been mayor of Milwaukee for 12 years."
I'm with Young Hegelian on this issue. Mr. Smith is in agony. His son is dead and he understands that he bears part of the responsibility. What could feel worse?
Mr. Smith is taking a hell of a lot more personal responsibility than Tom Barrett.
News Media Summary: "Racist Black Cop shoots unarmed Black Man who had a gun in his hand."
Racist Black Cop shoots unarmed Black Man who had a gun in his hand.
The racist cop was a "white Black".
"There is no indication that Smith fired a shot."
Is this Han Solo and Greedo? Are we serious here? How many shots should this guy be allowed to get off?
If you don't drop your gun when ordered to do so by a cop, then you've just signed your own death warrant. Maybe that's not fair, but it's how the world works. If you point a gun (or what looks like a gun) more or less in the direction of a cop, you might as well put the gun in your mouth and pull the trigger. Same dif.
"I've gotta start with my own kids."
Got that right. If everybody sweeps their own front step, the world is clean.
"Tom Barrett, a Democrat, has been mayor of Milwaukee for 12 years."
And the Dems have had the Milwaukee Mayors office for over 100 years. That's why I blame ..... Lemme see ... I blame .... The Republicans. That's it. Those evil right wing teabaggers They did it. Pass it on.
These young kids gotta realize this is all a game with them. Like they’re playing Monopoly.
Is the "them" in that sentence referring to the police? Pretty bad, if so.
They got us killing each other and when they even OK'd them pistols and they OK'd a reason to kill us too. Now somebody got killed reaching for his wallet, but now they can say he got a gun on him and they reached for it. And that’s justifiable. When we allowed them to say guns is good and it’s legal, we can bear arms. This is not the wild, wild west y’all. But when you go down to 25th and center, you see guys with guns hanging out this long, that’s ridiculous, and they’re allowing them to do this and the police know half of them don’t have a license to carry a gun.
What a striking example of self-infantilization! If someone said "urban people can't be allowed to have 2nd amendment rights because they're so irresponsible and unable to control themselves that those rights must be withheld from them--for their own protection!" that person would be instantly branded a racist and shamed out of the public sphere at once. This man says and implies exactly that, though. What should one conclude?!
Entertaining, drug dealing and pimping and they’re looking at their dad like 'he’s doing all these things.'
saturday-night-live/video/velvet-jones-school-of-technology
Raise a gun up at me and, yep, I'll fire (and my aim will be true.)
There is no justification for this riot. It wasn't an innocent man shot down. It was a murder-to-be killed before he could murder the cop.
All we are seeing is agitators trying to get riots (and succeeding.)
Come try that shit in Texas skippy, see what happens.
Sounds like, "If we let our children play with dangerous toys, it's our fault if they get hurt." I think some inner-city blacks [not all] need to decide if they are children or grownups. If they are not grownups, then dangerous toys may have to be taken away.
Speaking of BLM, prominent BLM guy Shaun King has a tweet up 8.12 showing a cop punching and kneeing a guy the cops are trying to cuff. (there are 3 cops, and in the .gif 2 of them are bleeding). King's tweet: I don't care what happened, this is police brutality. Those knees & punches to the back of his [head] could be fatal. Someone else pointed it out, but doesn't that go against everything the protesters said re: Mike Brown (which blew BLM up) and Trayvon Martin--specifically that people using fists/who didn't have a weapon but were attacking someone can't correctly be described as posing a deadly threat? Ah, just something to think about--I know not to expect consistent standards.
The only honest part of what Shaun King is when he wrote "I don't care what happened".
Honest people do, of course.
Shaun King sounds like Peanut.
Shaun King is a white grifter boosting his career and fortunes on the backs of suffering black people.
Waiting for the Prez to announce which would be most like his son, if he had a son - the cop or the perp.
At least the father realizes a need to reconcile moral, natural, and personal imperatives.
But when you go down to 25th and center, you see guys with guns hanging out this long, that’s ridiculous, and they’re allowing them to do this and the police know half of them don’t have a license to carry a gun.
Half?
1) The father sounds like he actually learned something in prison, too bad he didn't learn it in school or church instead.
2) Milwaukee has not had a Republican in charge for over 100 years. Democrats have controlled all of the major institutions and legislative bodies for the last 100 years. Most of those Democrats have been minorities.
So why the fuck are all the schools so bad? The police department racist? Why is it so god damn dangerous to live there? Why do most of the young men end up ignorant, uneducated and in prison? why are 3/4s of the children born to single mothers and condemned to poverty? How the hell are the racist Republicans managing this when they haven't had any power for the last 100 years?
When will the Black community wake the fuck up and return to the Republican Party who have always had their best interests at heart?
I have no sympathy for the man. None. If he had done his job as a father his son would probably be alive today.
I cut him a little more slack, because I'm willing to bet that no one ever taught him how to be a father, or suggested to him it would be the most important thing he did in his life.
I said this in the last thread, but it bears repeating. The officer's body cam apparently shows the gun in the decedent's hand. That would fully justify the officer shooting him in self defense. Period. The Vivian doesn't need to point the gun at the officer. He doesn't need to shoot at the officer first. That is because there is no justification for someone in his position having a gun in his hand when interacting with a cop. The cop was fully justified in believing that the purpose for the civilian having a gun in his hand in this sort of situation is to threaten, if not shoot the cop. Cops are routinely exonerated for shooting someone after hearing another cop yell "gun".
Is it a double standard? Probably. The rest of us have to be more sure of a threat before shooting. The reason for the difference is that the rest of us can, and probably should, retreat in many cases, even if armed, when the other party shows a gun. The police really don't have that luxury. If they retreat, in order to avoid a confrontation, the other party may harm a civilian.
And note that a concealed carry permit does not authorize you to pull a gun in the presence of a cop. Most anyone who has taken a concealed carry class knows this, and that you have to act responsibly with firearms. Don't know about WI, but most states have some sort of education or training requirement for issuing CCWs. If this guy actually had a permit, he should have known that you don't pull a gun around a cop. Instead, at a traffic stop, you should have your hands on the wheel when the officer comes up, and in states that have a duty to inform (or if the cop seems nervous), you tell the officer that you are armed, etc. of course, WI seems to be weird here, with no allowance for being actively armed in your vehicle, permit or not. Which means, for the guy to have a gun in his hand when shot, he must have been illegally transporting his firearm, which is the community session of a crime in the presence of a police officer, which in many states justifies the use of deadly force to effect an arrest IF the crime is considered violent (which illegally carrying a firearm probably is).
Bottom line - don't draw down on a cop if you want to remain alive.
No man is an island, but Jamaica is. I believe that that island nation has strict gun control laws. IIRC it also has a higher murder rate than Chicago. It also has a police force that is not famous for its restrained use of force. BLM is full of shit.........Those cops in Baltimore looked like solid citizens and decent human beings. Can anyone direct me to a black celebrity or political figure who spoke out in their behalf or even said a kind word about them. For that matter can anyone point out a publicly visible black who criticized Suge Knight or that rapper who came out of the VIP room with his gun blazing. The video evidence against them is much more damning than anything seen on these police videos but such evidence inspires street cred rather than protests........I've screwed up my life in a number of areas. I don't think that these screw ups were the result of the relentless forces of capitalism or imperialism. These screw ups were the result of my venality and weakness. Ain't white privilege grand. We're the only ones who get to be evil.
OK, he took a step on the right path, and I'll cut him some slack.
But still: "They targeting us." As long as blacks keep race-baiting themselves, deflecting real responsibility and undermining true self-knowledge, nothing will change.
So why the fuck are all the schools so bad?
Teacher's unions.
The police department racist?
Not racist, they just arrest more blacks.
Why is it so god damn dangerous to live there?
Drug turf disagreements.
Why do most of the young men end up ignorant, uneducated and in prison?
Dunno.
why are 3/4s of the children born to single mothers and condemned to poverty?
Dunno.
YoungHegelian, 6:45:
"he's still suffered an awful lot of hurt. This guy's just lost his son. Cut him some slack."
I agree. And for me, "they got us killing each other" and "they're out to destroy us" is outweighed by "I’ve gotta start with my kids and we gotta change our ways...We’ve gotta talk to them, put some sense into them."
If the son really was drawing on the cop, I'm glad it's the cop who lived. But I'm still sorry for a father in this situation.
What do you suppose dad's payoff will be?
One million?
Two million?
Three million?
"Instead, at a traffic stop, you should have your hands on the wheel when the officer comes up, and in states that have a duty to inform (or if the cop seems nervous), you tell the officer that you are armed"
We were taught that you should not only inform an officer during a traffic stop if you have a firearm in the vehicle, but even if you don't you should still tell them you have a permit. Why? That seems like needlessly putting yourself in a risky situation, but when the cop runs your driver's license and sees you also have a carry permit, he's going to be very suspicious as to why you didn't let him know that to begin with; and he's going to be wondering whether you've got a firearm in the vehicle. Be up front with them, and don't make a single move without being told to do so.
My father (retired cop) once had a firearm pointing directly at an armed robber at close range coming out of a grocery store. He identified himself and told the guy to drop his weapon, but the guy raised it. Before the robber could get it pointed at him, my father squeezed the trigger: misfire. The robber squeezed his: misfire. True story.
Back in the 1800s, running guns to the Indians was a bad thing. Not because guns were bad, but because savages were bad. Now days, we can't admit that we have savages, and that they shouldn't have guns.
So what is the end game for BLM and black society in general? Black people don't have to follow the law? If that is the case, then black people can't be a part of the overall society. How that will play out will be terrible, but mostly for the black community.
@sane_voter,
So what is the end game for BLM and black society in general?
My guess is that BLM is looking to re-create the "Forbidden Zones" of the European suburbs (e.g. Paris) where the police can't or won't go, so that the zones are effectively under the control of local "gangs", of either a criminal or religious character. Except they want black communities to be under their control.
This is the way of black politics now within the Democratic Party -- the blacks get their cuts & their political fiefs & the honkies are told to stay the hell out. White liberals tend to be into "good government" & "transparency". Well, at least they used to be. In theory. But, blacks see government in the good ol' fashion American way, as about streams of patronage.
BLM is just looking at the term "patronage" in a radical, racially separatist, way.
I got out of jail two months ago, but I’ve been going back and forth in jail and they see those things so I’d like to apologize to my kids because this is the role model they look up to.
Patrick Smith sees no need to apologize to the people he's harmed through his criminality, or to society in general.
Like, already I feel like they should have never OK'd guns in Wisconsin. They already know what our black youth was doing anyway. These young kids gotta realize this is all a game with them. Like they’re playing Monopoly.
Sylville Smith was 23. If 23 is a young kid unable to distinguish a loaded firearm from a board game, then how in good conscience can we allow anyone under 24 to vote?
When we allowed them to say guns is good and it’s legal, we can bear arms. This is not the wild, wild west y’all.
The wild, wild, west was tame by comparison to any majority black neighborhood in any large city in this nation. By foisting blame on the Constitution Patrick Smith implies that blacks are too free for their own good. Jefferson Davis is smiling in agreement.
I’d like to apologize to my kids because this is the role model they look up to. When they see the wrong role model, this is what you get.
More "role model" bullshit. It's really too bad Robert K. Merton wasted his talents and didn't become the best damned industrial arts teacher in southeastern Pennsylvania. If he had ninety percent of the bullshit phraseology in ninety percent of the bullshit term papers and dissertations would not have been written, and the writers would have gone on to intellectually suitable and socially responsible careers like pipe fitting or custodial engineering.
...don’t be going around shooting each other and letting them shoot y’all cause that’s just what they’re doing and they’re out to destroy us and we’re falling for it.
Doubling down on the same point every authoritarian dictatorship is founded upon. The whole of the KKK nod their pointy hoods approvingly like bobbleheads. I wonder if Patrick Smith knows he's an Aristotelian?
So what is the end game for BLM and black society in general?
The BLM will vanish in December....it is just a vehicle for Soros to get Black people angry and scared and out to vote for the Democrats.
Why do most of the young men end up ignorant, uneducated and in prison?
Perhaps we should compare urban black values to, say, the East Asian and Southwest Asian immigrant values.
What does the typical black male of that critical age group save his money for? A car. If he already owns a car, he saves for a sound system, the louder the better — fidelity be damned, followed by oversized tires on custom-made spinner rims. If an Asian kid already has a computer, he saves for a car, followed by another computer.
Who does the typical black male of that critical age group admire? LeBron James followed by Drake followed by Joaquin Guzman Loera followed by Lil Wayne. The Asian kid admires Ma Yun followed by Michio Kaku followed by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart followed by Edward Witten.
The typical black male of that critical age group is into intimidation, either to avoid it or inflict it, usually both. The Asian kid is into Auskomponierung.
no they want to nationalize police, they've made their intentions clear,
I'm happy to cut Dad some slack. He was there while his failed son was growing up, right? Okay, my heart goes out, then. Some kids are just bad - not necessarily anything the parents could have done. Anyone with enough siblings has seen it.
Jon Ericson has approximately the correct answers. I see Dad was a screwup but not necessarily trying to be absent from his son's life (to hear him tell it). Yeah, it is sad.
Good and necessary shooting by the cop.
Maybe people buying guns should train themselves to quickly stop drawing on people who turn out to be cops. Basic gun safety.
YoungHegelian said...Yeah, he's not eloquent with the press & he's not exactly a boy scout himself, but he's still suffered an awful lot of hurt. This guy's just lost his son. Cut him some slack.
Fair enough, YH--the immediacy of his loss and obvious grief should be accounted for, too. Thank you for the reminder.
Is there a difference between buying a gun and buying a stolen gun?
Page 44
"Under the new CCW law, a person with a CCW license may carry a concealed weapon (handgun, knife, electric weapon or billy club) in a vehicle. However, long guns are still subject to the requirement of being unloaded and not hidden when within reach."
https://www.doj.state.wi.us/dles/cib/conceal-carry/faq-concealed-carry
If I do not have a CCW license how do I transport weapons in a vehicle?
A. Handguns The law now allows a person who can legally possess a handgun to do the following without a CCW permit: • place, possess, or transport a handgun in a vehicle without being unloaded or encased. Wis. Stats. § 167.31(2)(b). • load a handgun in a vehicle. Wis. Stats. § 167.31(2)(c).
From what I've read, Sylville Smith was a career criminal and the gun he had on him was stolen. His father talking about the legal availability of guns to law-abiding citizens is illogical. LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM! Criminals with guns are the problem, and you won't disarm criminals by taking away the guns of law-abiding citizens; you would only create a situation where those law-abiding citizens were unable to defend themselves from the predations of the Sylville Smiths of the world.
If you buy a stolen firearm, I guess all the paperwork was legit?
Sorry for the tense screw-up.
You can summarize Smith's father statement like this:
"I was a bad role model as a father. Kids like my son have lousy lives. They pick up criminal habits and society makes guns available to them, so tragedies like this happen."
The unspoken reasoning -- what makes it all sensible to Smith's father -- is 'white people are responsible for all this. White people (or society, if you prefer), were responsible for him being a lousy father figure, for his kid's lousy values, as well as making guns desirable and available (stolen or not) to his son.
This is typical blame displacing, but when it's linked to race -- as I believe Smith's father links it to race -- it inevitable forms the basis for ethnic nationalism: 'My fate, and the fate of all Black people, is a result of my Blackness."
FTA: "don’t give in to the hand"
Althouse: Mistranscription or slang I've never noticed before?
Answer: "the hand" = the "Hidden Hand", i.e., whitey, "the Man", etc. A nice but rather pedestrian bit of Farrakhan-style NoI folklore, rather admirably played by this fellow.
@Terry:
I read Dad's remarks five or six times.
I think you accurately decoded it.
With a cherry on top.
Thanks.
YoungHegelian,
" This guy's just lost his son. Cut him some slack."
Why on earth should I do that? He's talking to the press!
I would definitely cut him slack if the only 4 quotable words in response to the press inquiries were "FOAD!"
Bonus slack if the above was followed up by, "What kind of moral monsters are you, hounding a man who just lost his son?"
Mike Sylwester said...
Since the police officer is Black, however, we are in uncharted waters. It will be interesting to see what Obama will do now.
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Not uncharted waters. Black cops shooting blacks has happened before. There's a riot. Cars are burning. It has made no difference that the cop is black.
"After the shooting, violence erupted on the city’s predominantly black north side, an area with a history of violence and distrust between police and the community. Flynn said four officers were hurt, and a 16-year-old girl was hit by what was thought to be crossfire, suffering non-life-threatening injuries. He said 17 people were arrested, most for civil disobedience but four on burglary charges. Six businesses were burned, and seven squad cars were damaged."
WaPo
At such a moment in time as this, you suggest that self-righteousness is what is and has always been in play far more than an attempt to respond to people who are very angry and in a lot of pain and anguish.
interesting article at Legal Insurrections n: Research Report Black Lives Matter More About Radical Social Upheaval Than Black Lives Which points out that:
Black Lives Matter is a vehicle for consolidating decades of unfulfilled and disparate goals of the left “Oppression” and “privilege” are the updated terms to described the “Haves” and the “have-nots” Privilege restricts free speech in a subtler but more powerful way than use of force
Despite positioning itself as counter to the “system,” they simply want to take the system over for their own ends Activists who are not black are termed “allies,” refer to themselves as such, and admit to reacting to a culture of fear, driven primarily by the fear of being ostracized from the left’s cultural community, “Allies” reported that their motivation for joining, in addition to avoiding community exclusion, was to promote their own “oppression” by tethering it to that of the black community.
Operatives shared that one of their greatest fears was activists perceiving that the movement was not driven by black leadership but instead “the same old” Civil-Rights-era types with a diversity of backgrounds. They feel it is important to distinguish the movement from the “failed” Civil Rights era movements, which did not achieve the operatives of BLM’s goal: “radical social upheaval.”
The Report itself lists 10 key insights:
1. Black Lives Matters core message is built upon, depends upon, and has as its ultimate goal, the larger retelling of the American story as one of oppression and racism.
2. The police, as representatives of the state, must be messaged as exemplifying the Black Lives Matter framing by being themselves oppressive and racist.
3. Black Lives Matter frames their cause as one against a systemic problem and necessarily utterly rejects the one bad apple counterargument BLM relies upon the elevation and equating of other underprivileged groups to a status just as oppressed as Black America in order to build a narrative of an America divided into the Oppressed and the Privileged. For this reason causes such as undocumented workers, LGBTQ, and womens reproductive rights, are recruited and welcomed into the Allies category of supporters (see below).
4. Supporters of BLM, for the most part, have moved on from desiring to silence dissent through amending free-speech laws; instead, Black Lives Matter (1) pressures authorities to do it for them, (2) creates an atmosphere of intimidation through threats of violence and shows of force, and (3) incorporates a culture of self-censorship in which those with privilege have a lesser voice than the oppressed.
5. While social-media and cameras are utilized uniquely and effectively to communicate with and recruit new supporters, it is the framework of organizing learned from past attempts and overarching magnanarrative that in reality gives Black Lives Matter its edge.
6. There are three distinct segments of supporters of the Black Lives Matter movement, each with their own emotional pathways to a deeply felt connection: Activists, Allies, and Operatives.
7. These mental maps explain current reasons for support as well as provide strategic pathways for weakening that same support.
8. Common across all segments is the emotion of fear of being ostracized from the lefts cultural community.
9. The specificity of the cause injustice toward the Black community is both central to its appeal and also a window into an Achilles-heel weakness of the movements core positioning.
10. The movement is at a critical juncture in its lifecycle, with maximum cultural influence but having failed to transition this influence into policy impact.
In the Report, Anne addresses the motivations of “allies” and confirms that many non-blacks participate as a way of virtue signalling:
Real nationalism -- as opposed to patriotism -- is poison.
In nationalism, your nation is your destiny. No other feature of your identity, not religion, not education, not social class, not sex, is as important as the nation you belong to, and your nation is in eternal war with other nations. Your nation can only gain by making another nation lose.
We may tend to sympathize with self-identified nationalists, if they are a minority and they play the oppression card, but the nationalist philosophy is just as poisonous. There is no progress. There is no getting along, no reconciliation. If your nation isn't tangibly losing to me, giving up something your nation is loathe to give up, your nation is winning over mine, and losing the war means extinction of that part of myself which is greater than myself.
Smith's point about role models in poor ghetto neighborhoods is well taken. The values are so skewed that in fact, success stories are the dopers, the pimps, sometimes the thieves, while a working man with 2 jobs trying to keep his family safe is a sucker. The kids are told - and shown - over and over from a very young age that they are entitled to whatever they can take, that white society is holding them down and the only reason they are different, can't work and succeed. The government is both surrogate parent and oppressor.
Christmas Day in the ghetto: every child with a new bicycle or new rolle skates, a new Game Boy (or whatever) is immediately victimized by the older children, like one of those cartoons of a line of fish, each progressively larger, eating each other. And no one cares, except maybe the cops. My memory of working Christmas is of crying 5 year olds, their toys stolen, and every other child in the chain walking around with something new, simultaneously victim and offender.
Fix it? Sh*t, you'd almost have to nuke it first. It's Chinatown.
Like, already I feel like they should have never OK'd guns in Wisconsin.
Blacks have said they want equality. Then you cannot sit there and whine "Well, why didn't you white folks STOP us?" It's not our job. It's not our job to tell you to stop committing crimes because it will usually lead to your kid's committing crimes. That was your call.
But, honestly, you've voted for the nonsense that passes as leadership in Milwaukee for generations. And, after this, you will continue voting for the same people advocating the same idiotic policies and generating the same results because they really don't give a shit about you and don't HAVE to do anything because there is zero chance you won't vote for them anyway.
2. The police, as representatives of the state, must be messaged as exemplifying the Black Lives Matter framing by being themselves oppressive and racist.
What I'll never get is that BLM hates the police, who represent the state --- but demand the state get larger to deal with the issue. As that Reason picture shows of riot cops making a girl: She wanted bigger government. She got bigger government.
Blogger damikesc said...
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It's not our job.
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The federal government thinks that it is its job to fix it, through GOP administrations and Democrat administrations. And guess who pays for the federal government?
"Gahrie said...Democrats have controlled all of the major institutions and legislative bodies for the last 100 years. Most of those Democrats have been minorities."
LOL Not even close to being true. Sure,. there is the odd token black. But they Milwaukee Democratic machine, like Chicago's, is white.
Yes he lost a son and that is tragic.
But ask yourself why THIS man is being interviewed.....
He's a career criminal.
He raised (if you can apply that term to his role) a career criminal.
By all appearances his son died in a justifiable shooting.
That shooting led to riots, injuries, lost businesses and multiple harmed lives.
So it is the fault of white, hey(!) like me.
Feh.
Other than the increasing pile of evidence leading me towards anger rather than sympathy - a trend that is more exhausting to resist by the day - I get nothing from him. I have nothing for him.
Quoting myself:The federal government thinks that it is its job to fix it, through GOP administrations and Democrat administrations.
I wonder what makes some people think the feds are capable of fixing this? More so than the Boy Scouts or the Rotary?
I know that liberals believe that federal actions successfully integrated the US armed forces by simply ordering them to be successfully integrated, but citizens aren't soldiers. Citizens talk back. Citizens are expected to be the government in a republic.
Mike Sylwester said...Since the police officer is Black, however, we are in uncharted waters. It will be interesting to see what Obama will do now.
He will do nothing. Hillary leads by wide margins in Wisconsin (the women there hate them some Trump). He's not going to wreck that.
The White majority neighborhoods are as/more "gun rich" than "The Hood". Yet, the vast majority of illegal misuses of guns are inflicted by Blacks and chiefly in Black majority neighborhoods.
Of course, facts do not matter to those who attack The Bill Of Rights--Especially Articles I, II, IV and X being members of today's Fascist Party.
One of the reasons gun control is a more popular issue with Blacks than with whites is that Pew survey info showed that black gun ownership/ gun in home number is about 1/5 that of whites.
I think that this means that gun owning Blacks (as a group) are incredibly more likely to use a gun for criminal purposes than whites, but as a percentage of the population, Blacks are much less likely to own a gun.
Does that sound right?
Milwaukee needs..a trolley.
"3. Black Lives Matter frames their cause as one against a systemic problem and necessarily utterly rejects the one bad apple counterargument BLM relies upon the elevation and equating of other underprivileged groups to a status just as oppressed as Black America in order to build a narrative of an America divided into the Oppressed and the Privileged. "
The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel used the word "uprising" three times on the front page today to describe Saturday night's looting and burning, including in the main headline. That's an interesting word choice. It connotes justified opposition to systemic de jure oppression, like the slave revolts in the 1800's or fighting apartheid in South Africa. It dignifies the conduct as something more than an opportunity to destroy property and loot liquor and wig(!) stores.
"Uprising" sells more papers/gets da clicks...and there's a zeitgeist to nurture.
John TuffnellThe Milwaukee Journal Sentinel used the word "uprising" three times on the front page today to describe Saturday night's looting and burning, including in the main headline. That's an interesting word choice. It connotes justified opposition to systemic de jure oppression, like the slave revolts in the 1800's or fighting apartheid in South Africa. It dignifies the conduct as something more than an opportunity to destroy property and loot liquor and wig(!) stores.
Exactly. It's like the distinction between 'rebels' and 'insurgents' when reporting ME affairs.
I guess it's an aside..
But..
I was on I-94 near Milwaukee last night around midnight and saw a young-ish woman walking..on the interstate..on the traffic side of cement construction barriers.
She was putting herself (and potentially drivers) in pretty clear danger so I called a Milwaukee police dept. by cell to alert them.
They answered with a pretty harried tone in their voice, said things were busy and that they would forward me to another station that should be able to handle my call.
The line went quiet for a bit..then some electronic noises briefly came on followed by a canned voice saying "all circuits are busy".
I hope nothing happened to her.
How long has it been since there was a Republican mayor in Milwaukee? Why are Democrat-run cities such quagmires of hatred and violence?
Milwaukee needs..a trolley.
Or a monorail.
Gerry, you may know this already..but the mayor of Milwaukee, "Barette" as I refer to him, has spent a lot of time pursuing an expensive trolley project.
I think a more symbolic effort would be a merry-go-round...with caricatures of various Dem pols and city school figures in place of horses.
So is today the first time el Rushbo has referenced this blog?
"don’t give in to the hand"
I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
How long has it been since there was a Republican mayor in Milwaukee?
Over 20 years before sliced bread was sold.
Over 20 years before bubble gum.
Always helpful to provide some context to "It's been a long fucking time"
23 year olds are "youth" now?
I think ACA says till 26.
damikesc said...
How long has it been since there was a Republican mayor in Milwaukee?
Over 20 years before sliced bread was sold.
Over 20 years before bubble gum.
Always helpful to provide some context to "It's been a long fucking time"
The last time the Cubs won the pennant.
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