Mr. Trump, first reading slowly from a statement and then speaking more freely in response to a question, said he now considered Mr. Peña Nieto a friend and heaped praise on Americans of Mexican descent. Mexican-Americans, Mr. Trump said, were “beyond reproach” and “spectacular, hard-working people.” But Mr. Trump said he also told Mr. Peña Nieto directly that he felt Mexico had benefited disproportionately from its trade agreements with the United States, and that he had described illegal immigration as a problem for both countries....There were only a few protesters, even though there were efforts on social media to drum up protesting. One protester who did show up — “Maldito Perro” (Damned Dog) — said “These days people protest by clicking ‘like’ or ‘dislike.’ ”
Mr. Peña Nieto pushed back in the gentlest of terms on several of Mr. Trump’s claims on Nafta... Without mentioning specific remarks by Mr. Trump, Mexico’s president said that hurtful comments had been made. “Mexican nationals in the United States are honest people, working people,” he said, adding, “Mexicans deserve everybody’s respect.” But Mr. Peña Nieto stopped well short of scolding Mr. Trump on the international stage. On the contrary, he expressed optimism that they could work together if Mr. Trump was elected president, “even though we do not agree on everything.”
But Mr. Trump showed up in Mexico. And Mrs. Clinton clicked "dislike," essentially, saying, in Cincinnati: "It certainly takes more than trying to make up for a year of insults and insinuations by dropping in on our neighbors for a few hours and then flying home again."
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Looks like my vote for Trump is going to turn into more than just a protest vote. He's actually not a bad candidate at all.
Agree with Sydney.
I'm seeing a really big difference these last week's between Trump and Hillary.
The guy is seemingly everywhere.
A flood in Louisiana? Trump is there.
Riots in Wisconsin? Trump is there.
Invited by foreign President? Trump is there.
Hillary? All I know is she is in Hollywood raising millions or on the east coast raising millions and dancing with Paul McCartney.
The Clinton team is a bit baffled by the idea of dropping in and flying off if you didn't fundraise in the middle.
It's a good move by Trump, dare I say, a Presidential move?
His sometimes obnoxious tone is what turns off many mushy, middle voters. His tone, however, is what propelled him to win the GOP primary.
A primary race, though, is different than a general election race -- ya gotta adjust, without making it seem to obvious that you are adjusting.
Meeting with Presient Pena Nieto in Mexico, while Hillary sits at home tweeting about it, speaks volumes.
Who is Mr. Maldito Perro?
HRC was too low energy to go.
Jesse Jackson on Trump--
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW9Xu35GUMY
My nana doesn't like to be away from home either, Hillary.
Trump is ahead in many polls now. And that's without the many voters that won't say they are voting for Trump because they fear repercussions. Or just hate pollsters.
Over a million people annually illegally entering America from Mexico is more than an "immigration" issue. Combined with a selective-child policy, the motives of anti-native factions, fiscal liberal debtors, and class diversity mongers are more than a little suspect.
Clinton is still watching the video of the Libya-ISIS Affair and the path from a premature removal of honest brokers from Iraq to social justice adventurism and subsequent coverup of the catastrophic anthropogenic global refugee crises.
Will Hillary fake an ankle injury so that she can debate Trump in a wheelchair?
Having a compassionate plan for the repatriation of foreign nationals should include several different components, depending upon whether or not that foreign national has dependents in this country. If that foreign national is married with children who are American citizens, they should be able to choose which partner is repatriated, and upon successful application for return, would be able to return to be with those children while the other spouse goes through the repatriation process. Should either or both parents fail in their application for return, those parents can choose to have their children returned to them in their country of origin--who would be eligible for return to this country at the age of majority, should they choose to do so--or placed into foster care.
We need to help these displaced nationals. Assisting them in their repatriation process would be a benefit for all involved.
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Reuters now has it at +1 and Fox News has it at +2.
What happened to her 15 point lead?
To be noted, these polls are Hillary doing bad, not Trump doing good. But what if Trump keeps up the high energy? Keeps showing up in places like Louisiana, going to Mexico, going to Wisconsin? Saying the tough things and looking presidential?
Hillary better pray he doesn't start to rise in the polls.
Could this be a race between two candidates, neither of whom really wants to win? Either HRC is sicker than she's letting on, or she just doesn't want to win - those are the only reasons I can think of for why she won't get off her fat ass to do the work.
Smartest move Trump has made in months. Worked well.
If I were Trump, I'd start traveling at a breakneck pace like this -- see foreign leaders and then back to battleground states. And every time I met with a foreign leader, I'd mention that Hillary can't keep up. People elect the person they already see as president -- so be that person and wear her out in the process.
Hillary's comment about dropping in for a few hours was rich, given that we've been told she was our greatest Secretary of State ever because she managed to get her tuchus to one hundred and lebenty-leben countries.
holdfast said: Either HRC is sicker than she's letting on, or she just doesn't want to win - those are the only reasons I can think of for why she won't get off her fat ass to do the work.
I'd suggest that Trump is simply being a leader, a role with which he is quite familiar. Hillary has never been a leader and doesn't know where to start. Hillary has a resume, but no accomplishments.
Hillary is also too ill to travel out of the country.
I'm sure Trump and Nieto found common ground, they're both overwhelmingly unpopular with Mexicans and Mexican-Americans on either side of the border.
It certainly takes more than months of campaigning to make up for years and years and mounting evidence of corruption.
Drip. Drip.
He appeared appropriately presidential. Too many are selling this guy short.
Trump got more done with Mexico in a day than Bush and Obama have in 16 years. Laying out that Five Point Agenda is a big step beyond the usual fluff.
He appeared Presidential did he?
I must have missed that bit, to each his/her own I guess.
The word is fearless.
Hillary has Secretary of State for 4 long years. Why isn't everything great with Mexico? Hillary was a total failure at State. We got screwed by every country in the world and she got paid.
That was a masterful Commander-in Chief display by Trump.
George Soros will probably have his puppet Obama declare by executive order, and insert in a Treaty he alone signs, that being a traditional Andrew Jackson style American leader is declared a Crime Against World Order.
Mexican "nationals" means Mexican citizens.
As far as I can tell from the clips on the news, Trump looked and acted very "presidential;" in fact, more so than Mr. Nieto. Trump dominated the scene, and that in Mexico City!
Alright, entertain me, how did America get "screwed" by every country in the world- this should be good.
Usually Trump means this as it relates to Trade so
Do tell me Trump's lies about Trade and how it screwed us over while you enjoy your cheap coffee and cheap tech gadgets - that you're using now to type on a blog.
Oh, look, we have a new commenter in sparemethebull, with a profile created fresh today for his/her new job as resident commenter for the HRC campaign.
And, working from orders from above as always, there's no defense of HRC, just playing offense against the Donald. I guess if David Brock had any imagination he wouldn't be David Brock now, would he?
Young, maybe you can engage with what I actually said -
Or do you want this to be a safe space? Aren't safe spaces bad? Does it matter when I created an account?
@Spare,
Does it matter when I created an account?
By that comment you reveal an utter ignorance of what's been going on in this forum for a few months now. You really did just get parachuted into this, didn't you? What, "Unknown" didn't pass along any notes?
Young, maybe you can engage with what I actually said.
Yes, I could, but once again, we've been through this all before. And, I'm sure, with you too, we'll all die of old age before we hear any defense of HRC's positive qualities.
So, I'll engage with a question to you: Where the hell is your candidate? Out raising money from rich liberals from her wheelchair? She barely campaigns, she doesn't talk to her press pool, she doesn't visit disaster areas. Is the presidency going to be her part time job, 'cause she don't seem to be up for the campaign?
This was a good day for Trump but i hate to say will he take it away with another ill advised comment? If he can reign in his impulses for the next 2 months he could run away with it. Hillary on the other hand looks really flaccid. Has she already been selected as the winner and she doesn't have to pretend to run any more?
@Spare,
You're clearly less-than-24-hours-new around here so let me start you off with a pro tip when it comes to commenting on this blog: Better than nothing is a high standard.
You'd better learn it quickly. You don't have much longer. 3 comments in and YoungHegelian has already laid you bare.
If Hillary COULD do more, certainly she would, correct? Her overarching campaign tactic always was to minimize her own exposure since, as all poll readers know, her negatives are inversely but tightly entwined with her screen time. But surely Mook et al must know the time for that has concluded. The chief indicia today, I would say, is that Pena sought Trump, not the reverse. It looks like he thinks he will be dealing with Trump and it cannot, therefore, be so that all 130 million Mexicans hate the man irredeemably, as Vicente Fox claims. If Hillary COULD, she would. She just can't.
Screwed by Iran, China, Russia, Libya, North Korea, Saudi Arabia and OPEC members.
A fine display of one of Trump's greatest strengths: to him, winning means negotiating and ending up with a deal. Even if we're not there yet, this is a huge step in the right direction. To Obama, winning has always meant "everybody do what I want." I don't expect anything different from Clinton.
Trump can get along with both Democrats and Republicans, and if he wins, it will be a welcome change from the gridlock and headbutting we've the country has been subjected to for years.
Livejournal is huge in Russia. Not very popular in the States. Also, apparently growing in India.
"Why isn't everything great with Mexico?"
Why isn't anything great with anyone? Have we improved relationships anywhere in the world? That's a genuine question. It really doesn't seem like we did when Hillary was Secretary and not in a long while.
Whatever this is, I'm loving the antics over at msdnc. Apoplectic is pretty close. Good humor really.
I was able to watch news shows today. Some had unusual people in to present the talking points for the left. My guess is that the "regulars" were too smart to make fools of themselves by trying to mock Trump without having had the benefit of practicing the carefully prepared talking points prepared by the NYT, etc.
It was a version of Eric's classic comment "Trump was terrible - I'll let you know why as soon as I hear from the left commentators." [I know, that is not a direct quote of Eric's comment, but close enough.] One poor fellow said: "Trump completely capitulated - he didn't bring up who would pay for the wall!" Now, I don't know what a "complete capitulation" might actually have been, but one thing that it certainly was not is simply failing to bring something up. Looking ridiculous is an unavoidable result of rushing unprepared into "analyzing" someone's position or behavior without the benefit of the prepared narrative.
Trump was brilliant to seize this quick opportunity to steal a march on the narrative. You will read small stories on how efforts were made to scare up "protesters" to mar the visuals and find kittens who were run over by Trump's motorcade. Hillary's minions were caught flat-footed on this one.
I am sure that what appears to be master-stroke by Trump (well executed) was actually a terrible, sexist, racist, amateurish, yada-yada. As soon as the left catches up we will find out why that is so.
Paddy,
Livejournal used to be big in the US. I still have mine that I use occasionally.
Apropos of absolutely nothing, our six month old puppy has recently been getting these glassy-eyed episodes of stupor accompanied by a raging pink boner.
My wife finds it profoundly disturbing, I should think at least in part because he is otherwise absolutely fuzzy, cute and adorable,
Me?
I think it's a hoot.
According to Mr. Peña Nieto “Mexican nationals in the United States are honest people, working people,”
Well, some are and some aren't but they do depress wages, which is bad for American workers. Speaking for myself, whenever I engage a contractor and what shows up is an all-Spanish speaking crew (and many only speaking Spanish) I worry about the quality of their work. Some are good and do good work, but at least half the time I get people who cannot (or pretend they cannot) communicate with me and who mess things up. I've had a roofing crew drop a pile of staples on my lawn and neither pick them all up nor warn me (do you know what it costs to replace the tires on a lawn tractor?) and I've had crews put the wrong color on walls until I could get their boss on the line.
Here's the problem for Mexico: they can't live without the remittances back to Mexico from the US. As of 2015, remittances was the largest source of income for Mexico, larger even than oil sales since the price of oil dropped so.
Systemic corruption, a narco-culture that often produces more dead bodies than the battlefields of the Mideast, & a growing middle class that now is connected enough to not only feel stifled by their culture, but even ashamed.
Mexico, as a matter of survival, has to keep those remittances flowing in. When Trump talks about locking up the border or sending back lots of Mexicans, he speaks as an existential threat to the Mexican state. If by words alone, President Pena Nieto can mollify the beast & reduce the future damage from a Trump presidency, that time today was time well spent for him & his people.
Seems like the border control debate in this election cycle is always focused on immigration, but that's not the only aspect.
Mexicans are suffering tremendously from the ascendancy of the drug cartels. The murder rate is unbelievable.
Wouldn't ordinary, honest, hard working Mexicans benefit from America getting control of it's border?
Wouldn't Mexico as a nation benefit if the flow of drug money to the cartels was sharply reduced?
There's no reason why we can't set up a system so Mexicans can come hear to work legally on jobs Americans don't want to do. It doesn't happen because politicians want the issue at election time.
President Trump looked very good up on stage with another world leader. Bodes well for the rest of his presidency.
What was with the hair? Unusual blond shade and in need of a trim at the back. Is he going for the LBJ in retirement look?
@Robert Fulton. Exactly. So far the WaPo and NYT have been playing Trump's visit as a straight news story. I am sure that will change over the next 12 hours. Trump really did steal a march on Clinton. Perhaps earlier in the thread someone mentioned he was on the west coast when the invitation was issued and like any good exec who senses an opportunity he jumped right on it. Hillary was probably going to run a focus group to see if she should go - right along with the focus group on whether she should visit Baton Rouge. I an truly enjoying seeing the Clinton crew getting caught with their pants down. Earlier today I linked to a NY Post article that had Hillary sending classified material on her server(s) after she left as SOS. If Trump can maintain discipline the next two months are going to be like the water torture for the Clinton campaign.
I was wrong. The WaPo and NYT have settled on the fact that Mexico says - as they have said before- they won't pay for the wall as the fly in the ointment. Hopeless.
And if Florida gets hit hard, Trump will be there too. Obama and Hillary will not. As someone observed above, acting like you are the President goes a long way towards convincing people to make you the President.
Spare is a decidedly ghetto-brand troll. Even Unknown was starting to get in the swing of things. Spare makes garage look like Billy Graham.
Anyone talking about Hillary's "Burn Bags?"
Ahhh, yes. The left is catching up. Let's see:
The NYT:
"Mexicans Accuse President of ‘Historic Error’ in Welcoming ...Trump — ... — If President ...Nieto invited ...Trump to visit Mexico for a dialogue in the interest of democracy, the message has fallen on deaf ears. — Instead, the predominant feeling here in the Mexican capital is one of betrayal."
And then there is ThinkProgress:
"Mexican President Fact Checks ...Trump To His Face, In Spanish — Following a controversial and hastily thrown together bilateral meeting behind closed doors on Wednesday, GOP nominee ...Trump and Mexican President ...Nieto held a tense press conference …Trump's Mexico visit ends with Mexico basically accusing him of lying..."
NBC News: "Why Is Mexican President ...Nieto So Unpopular?"
Politico: "Mexico rages against Trump visit...
Sorry guys, too little, too late. The readers and watchers are watching Trump's speech and getting it from horse's mouth. Your quibbles are old news already. Only the kool-aid drinkers are reading your stuff.
"When Trump talks about locking up the border or sending back lots of Mexicans, he speaks as an existential threat to the Mexican state"
True. This is serious business. Note that he offered a carrot in exchange - American-to-include-Mexico tarriff barriers, by implication.
So... While Trump sounded very fierce tonight, he actually promoted the Obama administration's deportation policy already in place. Too funny. And about that wall, Trump claims he and the Mexican president didn't discuss it, well, that is being refuted by the Mexican president who says it was discussed and he told Trump that Mexico would not be paying for it.
For a lard-ass, that was almost coherent. Go pester some other blog.
Sugartits.
That was a fantastic speech by Trump. The take away points were pretty awesome too.
It drove the left crazy too, which is just bonus points.
Inga's currently hitting 'refresh' feverishly at huffpo so she can come back here and make a snappy rejoinder.
I'm going to vote for Trump but honestly I can't stand listening to him. What I'm really hoping for is if Trump wins he appoints an army of special prosecutors to root out the Democrat criminals in the government and perhaps go after the most egregious of the Republican political criminals as well. It's time government officials feel fear.
pena nieto is unpopular, because they received a bribe from one of the major corporations involved in the panama papers, a house supposedly acquired by his wife, a former soap star, and the matter of the 47 'missing' students, and the rotten economy, in part due to the collapse of crude oil, spiking the ball with el chapo, just unleashed another more ruthless cartel, the guadalajara one, that rivals sinaloa and the beltran leyva's
Well-made "Amnesty Don" Music Video
"Morning Joe” host Joe Scarborough isn’t letting the joke go. The MSNBC host posted a music video ode to “Amnesty Don,” his newly-coined nickname for Donald Trump over his ever-shifting immigration policy, on his Facebook page Wednesday."
https://www.facebook.com/JoeNBC/videos/10154489274671880/
'...At multiple points on the track, background singers croon: “He’s softening, is there a pill for that?” It's a reference to Trump’s own remark that his hard-line immigration policies could undergo a “softening.”
The song also references Trump’s repeated comments about his eldest daughter Ivanka’s good looks and suggested the GOP nominee has mental health problems.
“If you take medication for premature softening, don’t take it for your softening if you suffer from psychiatric abnormalities like being a sociopath, a psychopath, or nacissism, nativism, racism, or flip-floppery,” Scarborough sings. “Or if you just think your daughter is really, really hot.” '
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/joe-scarborough-amnesty-don-music-video
Really a catchy tune.
Whether Scarborough is actually successful in influencing Trump's poll numbers in a negative way with this is an open question. Some voters might see it as Trump becoming more rational.
Anyone talking about Hillary's "Burn Bags?"
News of Hillary's corruption, lost emails, Benghazi truths surfacing, incompetence, and bad health are coming on so fast, the whole "Hey, can someone move that secret stuff off of my passenger seat (that legally should NOT be there) and into the trunk (that legally, should NOT be there either!)?" just got passed on by.
As someone who once held a security clearance, I just shake my head at the incomprehensible incompetence and negligence of Hillary and her assistants. To be this incompetent requires effort.
I'm feeling special. Althouse is making me feel special.
She has highlighted two of my comments (Although they weren't special insights or anything, just some polling I think) but now Instapundit links to Althouse and shares my special insight.
Just let me bask in the glow for a few minutes.
This is a good day for Trump. He met with a world leader with whom he has obvious disagreement on policy. He gave remarks that come off as "normal" for a meeting between two leaders. He didn't significantly alter his message despite being in obviously hostile territory. And it seemed his counterpart was willing to concede that NAFTA has room for improvement and that there are border issues.
Later on in Arizona, in his immigration speech, Trump outlined 10 points - none of which included deporting all the people in the country illegally. Many of those 10 points will play very well in much of the country - particularly between the coasts - and they will make sense to a lot of people. The wall itself may not be popular, but the other 9 will strike many as reasonable, no matter how many times the press loses their collective mind bashing it.
Trump's speech should shut up those NeverTrumpers who were wailing that he was abandoning his base support in recent days, but it probably won't. He did pretty much what I said he should do earlier today. It will be difficult to make the argument to the American people that his plan is irrational in any degree. This is a speech Marco Rubio should have been giving since taking his Senate seat, or any of the other high profile candidates not named Ted Cruz (who was probably closest to Trump's position all along).
Young, I'm a free trade Democrat with slightly libertarian leanings. The two sanest candidates in this election is Gary Johnson - to a degree - and HRC - because of her iher understanding of policy.
That a nothing speech by Trump today impresses you is interesting.
I haven't a clue what's been going on in this blog. I just came upon it and was bored and thought I'd type a pithy comment or two.
Reading the comments, it seems many are comfortable deporting millions This means there's a comfort with the idea a quasi-police state enforcing deportation. So much for smaller government!
The ethics of such a move is too deplorable to consider rationally. That millions of Americans have fallen for the fallacy that immigrants commit more crime ( they don't) or are dependent on welfare more than Americans ( they aren't) tells me there's nothing fact or evidenced based about Trump's arguments. He is appealing to emotion.
Where's his position on the War on Drugs - he didn't think of that today did he?
And his nonsense ideas on trade and cringe-worthy assessment of NAFTA was embarrassing. Is it lack of logic that causes people to not see the link between the drop in immigrant arrivals ( yes the stats don't lie) and the influence of NAFTA? Mexico's economy has been steadily growing, due to trade, her only problem being corruption and the insidious influence of drug cartels which can only be broken if America "softens" her hard stance on a futile drug war. Compared to 2 decades ago, there are fewer immigrants arriving due to Mexico's aging population and dropping fertility rates. The hysteria about deportation is mystifying since Obama has deported more people than any previous President.
None of what Trump says gels with the truth, with fact or reality - but I'll let you guys cook.
"None of what Trump says gels with the truth, with fact or reality - but I'll let you guys cook."
Why does this Hillary Campaign troll's remark bring to mind Donna Brazile's similar comment: "There's no smoke!"
All of a kind with: "There is absolutely nothing in your average supermarket worth eating." "We need at least thirty-two gender identities in order to not be discriminatory."
Life in the liberal bubble leaves one, even one such as "sparemethebull" (trying to "pass") speaking a language totally divorced from life in the real world.
"Trump's speech should shut up those NeverTrumpers who were wailing that he was abandoning his base support in recent days, but it probably won't."
Well now Trump has been on every side of the issue in a matter of weeks. It's just one of the reasons we don't trust him.
The Today Show is leading today with "Who's telling the truth?" RE: whether Trump and Nieto discussed paying for the wall.
Yeah, that's the take-away from what happened yesterday.
It's really simple. END "BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP". It is not in the 14th Amendment, OR in Wong Kim Ark (159 US 649 (1898)), often cited as a justification never HOLDS that anyone born in the US, even of alien parents, is a US Citizen.
That case holds that the CHILDREN OF LEGAL RESIDENT ALIENS is a US Citizen (See page 693). The practice of birthright citizenship is the way that the New World Order Marxists have invaded our country with third worlders. It provides the magnet, but it is totally illogical in its result, creating a class of illegal parents who's children are supposedly legal US Citizens. It is called KIDNAPPING. The stated 35 Million Illegals are probably more like 90 Million when the children are factored in.
End BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP, deport all minors and their illegal parents, but in fairness, allow the children the choice of US Citizenship when they reach the age of majority. That is the way to solve the problem, created by 100 years of TREASON, and allowing our country to be invaded.
I don't see how the Mexico trip hurt Trump--both he and Nieto say they discussed the wall, and the differing accounts are over whether they discussed who will pay for it. But that doesn't matter--the takeaway for most people is that Trump met with a foreign leader and discussed his campaign issue. I believe the wall will be built about as much as I believe a Trump University education is worth anything, but the optics of that meeting are not bad. I don't think it'll win new voters, but it will shore up his current support.
His hard line speech in AZ is also intended for the same thing--to keep the Coulters from bailing on him in the home stretch. Again, it's not a play to gain new voters (if you liked that speech, you were already voting for him) but remember his end game--starting his media empire. And that means having a very avid minority ready to consume what he is about to sell.
Say what you will about Trump as a businessman, but as a showman and media salesman he seems to know what he's doing. In the end this may profit him quite well and erase a lot of his debt.
Apparently, paying for the wall is this campaign's binders full of women. Both "issues" are/were juvenile mischaracterizations of what was actually meant, but that won't stop the press from pushing them. The takeaways that a dramatic event such as Trump's visit could have generated are many. That the possibilities so quickly coalesced into this one sad theme reeks of coordination at the very least.
Let me note in passing that "spare" truly is single "A" ball. He'll be released even before the season's over.
And Hillary followed that up with a remark about "dropping in on the neighbors for a quick visit just isn't how it's done," essentially rejecting her own #1 qualification for the job of President: the fact she traveled 1 million air-miles dropping in for brief visits as SOS. Oh wait. I get it! He didn't tie it in with any "fundraising" so she's saying he's doing it wrong. OK.
If I'd just read down to Gbarto!
The truth about Obama's deportation. He deports people at historic lows.
The HILL has it.
Deportations under President Obama could hit 10-year low
oooo - the Hill - bastion of total right winger-y. (not)
**Not that the truth will sway people who read Huffpo.
Deportations under President Obama could hit 10-year low
M the Magnificent
It's not incompetence. The Clinton Crime machine and the Clinton Crime Media know exactly what they are doing.
Blogger Unknown said...
So... While Trump sounded very fierce tonight, he actually promoted the Obama administration's deportation policy already in place.
No he didn't
Unknown, it's not Mexico's choice as to whether they pay for the wall. We send th em enough aid that it could be paid for just by eliminating that aid.
Wait. Why am I bothering?
Trump visited Mexico (totally bold) and opened negotiations - did not start with the most contentious issue which is the wall. Good negotiating strategy. Got a concession - NAFTA needs improvement. Good strategy. Listened to the Mexican president denounce some of Trump's positions without comment. Did not try to finish negotiation.
Hillary? stayed at home counting her bribes. She's probably in rehab if we knew the truth.
PS I notice one Unknown has upped itzx game; and then a new one troll suddenly uplifts his voice in screeched out SJW-entitled rudeness like the woman in the LYFT video.
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