July 15, 2016

"UW-Madison’s Multicultural Student Center separated attendees by race to discuss a violent week of news that stirred debates about racism and law enforcement..."

"... prompting criticism from conservative news outlets that the arrangement amounted to segregation."

Amounted to? It clearly is segregation, whether you want to defend it or attack it.
Campus officials said the decision to hold separate meetings Monday for white and minority students, faculty and staff was made to ensure people of color had a place to discuss their concerns, and said the rules were not meant to exclude participants.

“No one was turned away from any session,” UW-Madison spokeswoman Meredith McGlone said in a statement.... McGlone said participants wanted “a space to express feelings without the fear of being judged. Our students of color often find such spaces hard to come by... It is a best practice in student affairs to allow quiet and reflective space for those who request it.”
That's defending it.
Still, McGlone said, the intent behind the different meetings “could have been communicated more clearly to avoid any impression of exclusion.”
The defense is that the officials meant well and didn't intend to demean anybody. Let's remember that the problem with "separate but equal" — as the Supreme Court put it in Brown v. Board of Education — was that the line separating the races was "usually interpreted as denoting the inferiority of" the nonwhite group.

94 comments:

Michael K said...

The "students of color" want segregation so they can be in a protected environment where they don't have to compete for grades with white and Asian students.

Owen said...

And if the administrators had not done this, but (say) the white kids self-segregated into their own special space, because Feelings? What would the reaction have been?

gspencer said...

"Separate but Negro"

What exactly is the left doing,

to itself,

to us,

Swede said...

Remember, it's ok when WE do it!

Michael said...

"...to ensure people of color had a place to discuss their concerns"

Apparently there is no place where people of color cannot discuss or otherwise vent their concerns. These stories become more outrageous by the week. The administration has got to be a murder of bozos, a flight of dodos.

Our hostess has to be embarrassed.

Joe said...

Multiculturalism is great. Except when it isn't.

Time for more budget cuts for UW

J. Farmer said...

Good idea! Let's do that for neighborhoods, cities, and states, too.

readering said...

Amounted to seems like a synonym for is to me.

Meade said...

“a space to express feelings without the fear of being judged”

The university as therapist.

Bob Ellison said...

"It is a best practice..."

"Best practice" is one of those terms, something idiots say to make themselves feel smart.

Sebastian said...

"the line separating the races was "usually interpreted as denoting the inferiority of" the nonwhite group" That was then. When Progs are in charge, meanings change. Freedom is slavery, segregation is emancipation, that sort of thing. Words are simply tools to them. If used by the right people for the right reason, they are good; if not, not.

Francisco D said...

Meade,

Psychotherapists make judgments. We are just cautious about how and when we express them.

Unknown said...

Pretty soon, we'll have drinking fountains that are "safe spaces" for the different races. And lunch counters that are "safe spaces" for blacks only. What about busses?

Somehow, Democrats just can't help putting blacks into their own cages, can they? Even if they have to convince the blacks to do it to themselves.

The Democrat party: all racism, all the time. Since their founding!

Michael said...

"...the line separating the races was "usually interpreted as denoting the inferiority of" the nonwhite group.'

Exactly, just as it was here at the U of W Madison.

Chris said...

"The defense is that the officials meant well and didn't intend to demean anybody."

It's the Hillary Defense.

Steve M. Galbraith said...

Let me guess: if you're AGAINST the separation of races then you're a racist.

Historians will look back at these times and wonder if we haven't gone mad. What was the line by Nietzsche? Insanity is rare in individuals but can be found to be more prevalent among entire groups of people. I don't know if that's true but right now it's hard to argue it's wrong.

J. Farmer said...

@Unknown:

"Somehow, Democrats just can't help putting blacks into their own cages, can they? Even if they have to convince the blacks to do it to themselves."

What's wrong with that? Do you want to live in a predominantly black neighborhood?

TWW said...

Bravo.

Fernandinande said...

"Our students of color often find such spaces hard to come by..."

The poor little dears.

"A local news station attempted to gain access to one of the segregated meetings, but was blocked from entering by UW representatives."

Isn't the racial segregation illegal in a state facility?

J. Farmer said...

Just remember the good, commons sense advice of John Derbyshire, who sacrificed his career to put it words:The Talk: Nonblack Version.

bagoh20 said...

OK, all people of color, lets meet in the back of the bus. Doh!

TWW said...

Randy Newman had something to say about this(Rednecks): https://youtu.be/2nGw_vAnqPI

Jake said...

"McGlone said participants wanted “a space to express feelings without the fear of being judged. Our students of color often find such spaces hard to come by..."

Good thing we make diversity such an important part of the admissions process.

Bill said...

Racial segregation . . . in a spirit of Diversity and Inclusion!

Gahrie said...

was that the line separating the races was "usually interpreted as denoting the inferiority of" the nonwhite group.

Now it denotes the "evilness" of the white group.

Michael K said...

"the good, commons sense advice of John Derbyshire,"

Yup. He was right and most people knew it at the time. More know it now.

Gahrie said...

Somehow, Democrats just can't help putting blacks into their own cages, can they? Even if they have to convince the blacks to do it to themselves.

say you had a time machine and went back to the South in the 1880's and went up to one of the Democrats in the KKK and asked:

How would you feel if I told you in the future that most Black women and men would no longer get married, that 75% of Black children were illegitimate, that Black women killed hundreds of thousands of their children every year, that Black children would be forced to go to failing schools, and that hundreds of Black teenagers would be murdered by other black teenagers in the streets, that almost half of young Black men would turn to a life of crime and spend significant time in jail and that large numbers of Black people would be reduced to despair, disorder and government dependency. Best of all, you don't have to do a thing...they'll do it to themselves.

What do you think his answer would be?

Annie C said...

Were the meeting spaces equal, or was one more demeaning than another?

Gahrie said...

The beginning of the end of my love affair with National Review was when they fired Derbyshire. They screwed Mark Steyn too.

SGT Ted said...

Gahrie has it right. White people are the Other to the Diversity Cultists and can be scorned for their skin color using the racist term "white privilege".

All of the ills of the minority communities are blamed on white people. PC racism is still racism.

As far as well meaning? Meaningless.

tim in vermont said...

A squall of special snowflakes.

YoungHegelian said...

Why is anyone surprised at this? The racial separatists have been active in the "black liberation movements" ever since there's been black liberation movements. I mean, jeez, Marcus Garvey, Malcolm X, & others preached it. While not per se separatist, when the radical blacks took over the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) in the late 60's, they iced out all the white lefties.

There was recently some surprise when a leader of the NBPP said he wanted a black homeland in the South. I remember seeing posters for "New Africa" with the exact same states as part of an organizing poster by some radical black group on lampposts in downtown DC in 1979.

This is all old stuff if you know where to look.

Gahrie said...

What's wrong with that? Do you want to live in a predominantly black neighborhood?

A failed inner city neighborhood? No fucking way.

An upper class or middle class neighborhood? Sure. Better BBQ for one thing.

Eustace Chilke said...

This isn't fair to the whites. Without any blacks in the meeting how can they be certain what to think and say? Sure, they're well indoctrinated and all. But it's unkind of the people of color to leave their white allies unsupervised and liable to make mistakes by speaking and stuff.

rhhardin said...

The have a special nap time in the black meetings.

Amadeus 48 said...

Hmmm..."fear of being judged"? Maybe it is the way they tell it, but it sounds like they wanted to say some stupid stuff and not be judged by their white friends and enemies.

Great!

On a brighter note, Sen. Tim Scott, speaking on the floor of the Senate, gave me a jolt as he described the way he is treated routinely by the men in blue, even the Capitol police. Naively, I would have believed that he had transcended all that by his success in life--elected official, county executive, state senator, congressman, and US Senator.

I recently was pulled over by the Chicago police while driving down Stony Island Avenue at 7:00 AM. I was not speeding. The policeman said that he thought my brake lights were not working, but he saw that they were when I pulled over, and he bid me a pleasant good day. I think he had something else in mind, but stepped back when he saw I was a white guy.

I'd love to know what cops are taught about initiating routine traffic stops. I don't believe people like Tim Scott, Vernon Jordan, Chris Rock, and Jason Riley get a fair shake, but I could be wrong.

Michael K said...

"but stepped back when he saw I was a white guy. "

Oh Oh. What's a white guy doing on Stony at 7 AM ?

You're lucky he didn't search the car looking for the dope.

I got stopped one time in the desert at a border patrol check point. It quickly descended into farce. We were lucky to get away with our lives.

Owen said...

The rationale for Diversity is to give kids exposure to lots of different points of view. The rationale for Inclusion is to make sure that there's lot of mixing and nobody is left out.

So in this case: color-segregated safe spaces ensure exactly no Diversity and no Inclusion. But they are still OK and in fact part of the school's active effort to achieve both D & I.

I'd love to see the logic diagram on that one. Also? How much money was put into this: direct expenses but also opportunity cost for the spaces taken up, and the FTE of the administrators running the thing.

Gahrie said...

@ Amadeus 48:

Basically you are accusing the police of profiling...they are. The reason why profiling became such an evil thing is because it works.

Black men get profiled by the police because Black men commit crime at an appalling rate. It is the thing with prison. There are so many Black men in prison because so many Black men commit crime.

However it must be noted that the purpose of the profiling is to protect innocent Black people. The vast majority of the targets of Black crime are other Black people. White people aren't getting hurt by the Ferguson Effect, Black people are.

Lastly when I was in college I occasionally missed the last bus and had to walk through Ingelwood late at night. I got stopped at least once every time by a police patrol wondering what the hell I was doing in that neighborhood at that time of night. I was guilty of walking while White. But the police were right to stop me, I didn't belong there, and it was suspicious. (none of the bastards ever gave me a ride home)

Fernandinande said...

YoungHegelian said...
The racial separatists have been active in the "black liberation movements" ever since there's been black liberation movements.


Here is an amusing compendium of black segregationists and related "Victimization Whack-a-Mole":

'Black kids must be with white kids'...
...'Black kids must be with black kids'

'White teachers must teach black students'...
...'Black teachers must teach black students'

'Force teachers to be accountable'...
...'Forcing teachers to be accountable is racist'

...etc...

The Cracker Unknown said...

The whole hustle has to play itself out, but it's pretty clear at this point that the Kumbaya dream is never going to reach fruition. Assimilate or separate. Those are, and always were, the only two choices.

Amadeus 48 said...

Michael K--I was doing what white people do on Stony Island--I was headed for the Chicago Skyway entrance at 89th Street. I know you grew up in South Shore. Beverly is full of lace-curtain Irish folks who are still ticked that South Shore went bad on them.

Fernandinande said...

Eustace Chilke said...
Without any blacks in the meeting how can they be certain what to think and say?


The naughty white people could - will! - have a struggle session centered around unpacking their invisible white privilege knapsacks.

Michael K said...

"Beverly is full of lace-curtain Irish folks who are still ticked that South Shore went bad on them."

I know. I was kidding.

I don't even drive by my old home at 74th and Paxton anymore.

Michelle Obama grew up four houses south but the middle class blacks are getting out.

Michael K said...

I should add that Senator Tim Scott's story is shocking.

I would think the Capital Police would be especially solicitous of Senators.

EMD said...

If you want people to hate one another, segregate them.

Fernandinande said...

Gahrie said...
Basically you are accusing the police of profiling...they are.


They're doing a pretty bad job:

A greater percentage of male drivers (12%) than female drivers (8%) were stopped by police during 2011. A higher percentage of black drivers (13%) than white (10%) and Hispanic (10%) drivers were stopped by police during 2011.

"Stopped drivers reported speeding as the most common reason for being pulled over in 2011. [like Sen. Scott. And Holder]

Approximately 80% of drivers pulled over by police in 2011 felt they had been stopped for a legitimate reason. In 2011, about 68% of black drivers believed police had a legitimate reason for stopping them compared to 84% of white and 74% of Hispanic drivers.

In 2011, about 3% of traffic stops led to a search of the driver, the vehicle, or both. Police were more likely to search male drivers (4%) than female drivers (2%).

A lower percentage of white drivers stopped by police in 2011 were searched (2%) than black (6%) or Hispanic (7%) drivers."

Gahrie said...

Your first statistic only adds up to 20% (what gender are the other 80%?)and the rest is just as incoherent. What point were you trying to make?

Gahrie said...

OK..rereading it...your point is that Black mail drivers get stopped and searched more often than white women. I agree...we're back to who is doing the crime?

Paul Ciotti said...

Liberals and leftists use the cry of racism to rip up the constitution, denigrate free speech, gut the second amendment and now, with the urging of campus blacks, to bring back segregation. if students really need a safe space to talk about their feelings, they should do it in their dorm rooms with a few close friends, not among hundreds of other people in the student union. Anyone who needs a safe space on a college campus is either in trouble academically or totally trying to prepare a list of demands to present to the administration.

Jon Ericson said...

Let's be fair... like the TSA!

J. Farmer said...

@Gahrie:

"An upper class or middle class neighborhood? Sure. Better BBQ for one thing."

And how many predominantly black middle or upper class neighborhoods can you think of off the top of your head?

@Fernandinande:

If anything, blacks are probably being stopped and questioned by police at too low a rate. Heather MacDonald's work for the Manhattan Institute has been invaluable in this area.

Amadeus 48 said...

Gahrie--Tim Scott is a black guy in a suit, who happens to be a US Senator. He says that of the seven times he was stopped in one year, he was speeding twice.

I am a white male in a suit who regularly drives five miles an hour over the speed limit. The most I have been stopped in any year is once, and until the incident I spoke of last month, I hadn't been stopped for five years.

If the police are regularly picking out Tim Scott, or Vernon Jordan, or Chris Rock, or Jason Riley to assist them in their inquiries, they are doing it wrong.



DanTheMan said...

>> I'd love to know what cops are taught about initiating routine traffic stops.

The first thing I was taught was that there is no such thing as routine traffic stop.
The second thing I was taught to make sure you can see their hands. Nobody draws a gun with their feet.

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J. Farmer said...

@Amadeus 48:

If the police are regularly picking out Tim Scott, or Vernon Jordan, or Chris Rock, or Jason Riley to assist them in their inquiries, they are doing it wrong."

How should they be doing it?

n.n said...

[Class] diversity.

Oh, well. Forcibly segregating people promotes prejudice. Forcibly integrating people promotes prejudice. Selectively excluding people promotes prejudice. Perhaps there is an organic, principled alternative.

Sal said...

The university has simultaneous efforts to both integrate and segregate students by race. It must be an experiment of some sort.

Rick said...

Steve M. Galbraith said...
Historians will look back at these times and wonder if we haven't gone mad.


Historians will claim the whole process was driven by conservatives. Don't you know how this game is played?

J. Farmer said...

@n.n.:

" Perhaps there is an organic, principled alternative."

Nope. We're doomed. In my humble opinion, anyway.

Amadeus 48 said...
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J. Farmer said...

@Amadeus 48:

When black men are 6.5% of the population and committing nearly 50% of the murders annually, how do you avoid blacks receiving a disproportionate share of police attention?

Amadeus 48 said...

J Farmer--Like I said, I'd love to know what the cops are told. "If you see a black guy in a nice car wearing a suit driving through Wilmette, stop him?" "If you see a black guy entering an office building wearing a congressional ID pin, stop him and check his ID?" "If you see a black guy driving a nice car in NW Washington, tail him and stop him if he makes too many left turns?"

None of these things are unreasonable if they happen once in a while, but compare notes with any of your many black friends and see how many times they get stopped compared to the number of times you get stopped.

You can see why they are tired of it--and they can never be successful enough to get away from it.

J. Farmer said...

In other words, the reasons black receive more scrutiny from the police than whites is that they are more often likely to be involved in criminal behavior. Now maybe that's a "hate fact," but until the establishment truly internalizes whats actually going on in the world, they're destined to support meaningless, dead end causes like BLM.

Michael K said...

The fact that Scott was stopped going into the Capitol shocked me, not that he was stopped driving.

I'm sorry but, if 80% of the crime is committed by blacks, 80% of drivers stopped should be black.

I remember when Jews were discriminated against and the movie "Gentleman's Agreement" was a big deal partly because Gregory Peck was willing to portray a Jew.

My uncle, who grew up in England and was Anglican, told me one time that someone said a Catholic was walking by and the kids all ran to the fence to see if he had horns.

Blacks have to understand and accept that they have a problem with crime and feral children, especially boys but both sexes.

Once they admit that there is a problem, there is a huge majority of whites who will want to help.

We already have a lot of whites who are willing to lie to themselves about it because they don;t want to hurt feelings.

Jason Riley's book "Please Stop Helping Us" is a start if only people would read it.

J. Farmer said...

Baltimore, Maryland is 65% black. Nine out of its 15 city council members are black. The mayor is black. The chief of police is black. About 40% of the police force is black. The BLM analysis of Baltimore: too much white privilege.

wildswan said...

“segregation is not a humiliation but a benefit, and ought to be so regarded by you gentlemen.” Woodrow Wilson to Blacks protesting segregation

"each race, within its own framework has the freedom to teach, to instruct, to develop" - George Wallace, Segregationist governor of Alabama

“a space to express feelings without the fear of being judged. Our students of color often find such spaces hard to come by... It is a best practice in student affairs to allow quiet and reflective space for those who request it.” UW-Madison on separate but equal meetings

Amadeus 48 said...

I had a black friend--a banker at a major US bank-- whose high school age son was falsely accused of raping a white classmate, who was essentially trying to squeeze money out of the family. The Evanston police, in their wisdom, surrounded my friend's house at 4:00 am, put on floodlights and banged on the front door, waking up the whole neighborhood. My friend hired a first class lawyer for his son, who was ($400,000 in lawyer's fees later) eventually exonerated when the girl confessed she had made the whole thing up.

My friend said, "Do you think they would have done that if we were white? Wouldn't they have just asked us to come down to the station?"

What do you think? I don't think a white family would have been treated that way.

J. Farmer said...

@Amadeus 48:

"What do you think? I don't think a white family would have been treated that way."

I think if the only data you have are anecdotal stories which are meaningless in discussing group differences, then there's really no point in even beginning the conversation. I can go dig up a story about a white person being treated unfairly by the cops. What would that contribute to the discussion? Zilch.

J. Farmer said...

If blacks and whites, as groups, behaved the same way, then it would be reasonable to expect similar outcomes. But you can't focus on just the difference in outcomes without also considering the difference in behavior. Blacks, as a share of the population, commit a much greater degree of crime than whites do.

n.n said...

J. Farmer:

Nope. We're doomed.

Maybe. In the meantime, I will continue to "preach" the principles, because... It's something internal. Perhaps it's a curse. I've learned to live with it.

J. Farmer said...

@n.n.:

"I've learned to live with it."

Of course. We all have to operate under the delusion that we matter. It's a necessary component to the human comedy.

Amadeus 48 said...

J Farmer--

Ahh, the group thing. Yup--that is what America has become, a place where what group you belong to determines how you are treated by the state. I thought we fought a civil war and went through the civil rights movement to get away from that. The Dems love to put us all in groups. It sounds like they have won. Great.

Also, anecdotes are one way of understanding the problem. I don't know how many people on this blog have many black friends, but if you do, ask them about their interactions with the cops. And remember, many of them are just like you.

J. Farmer said...

@Amadeus 48:

"Ahh, the group thing. Yup--that is what America has become, a place where what group you belong to determines how you are treated by the state."

Uh, no. "Groups" and "individuals" are two completely different statistical concepts. You're muddying the waters by confusing the two.

" I don't know how many people on this blog have many black friends, but if you do, ask them about their interactions with the cops."

Nothing any black friend can tell me would change the basic empirical reality of crime within the black community. But as far as anecdotal experience counts, I have actually spent my entire adult life working in the social work field for juvenile justice and child welfare agencies. I owned a company that provided a broad spectrum of mental health and substance abuse services across the entire span of central Florida. I spent 10 years inside the homes, schools, detention centers, jails, prisons, psychiatric facilities, detoxes, etc. working with the underclass and trying to get them to change their maladjusted behavior.

Go spend a day in a predominantly black public school and look at how much energy and resources are devoted to just trying to maintain basic order and discipline. Try a tiny thought experiment. If a woman was alone in a parking garage and heard footsteps behind her, do you think the gender of the person making those foot steps would have any impact on her level of anxiety? I think it'd be perfectly natural to be more worried about it being a man, and you don't have to be a misandrist to feel that way.

Anglelyne said...

Campus officials said the decision to hold separate meetings Monday for white and minority students, faculty and staff was made to ensure people of color had a place to discuss their concerns, and said the rules were not meant to exclude participants.

Nobody with any self-respect uses the idiot phrase "people of color" with a straight face. But we are talking "campus officials" here.

Does the implied dichotomy above even make any sense? There are "white people" and there are "people of color". "Minority" equals "person of color". Really? Is UW-Madison lacking in Asians? Were Asian students piling into the safe spaces for "people of color" to "discuss their concerns"? Or are Asians white? (I actually have seen non-Asian individuals, jealous of their turf I guess, making that claim.) Hard to keep up.

Yeah, there are some dopey Angry Studies NE Asians out there who pump that "people of color" thing, but the stupid phrase, launched as an everybody-else-against-whitey trope, appears to be settling in as a euphemism for "black or (non-white) Hispanics", or sometimes just, "black". Which is the sort of thing that usually happens to dumb made-up terms.

Moneyrunner said...

Why is Democrat dominated UW Madison such a den of racism and depravity?

Moneyrunner said...

Why is Ann participating in racial segregation and injustice?

DanTheMan said...

Since anecdotes are so 'helpful':

When I worked in certain parts of town, I'd often get "You only stopped me because I'm black!" during a traffic stop.
I would politely counter with the specific offense they committed, and would have some variation of the following conversation
Me: "Look around, do you see anybody around here who isn't black?"
Driver: "Just you"
Me: "Well, if I want to write a white person a ticket here, I'd have to ticket myself, right?"

A smile was often the only reply....

Amadeus 48 said...

J Farmer--
We are talking past each other. My essential concern is when does the state let Jason Riley or Tim Scott out of the ghetto? Never?

J. Farmer said...

@ Anglelyne:

You have touched on a very important point about race relations in America. "Lack of diversity" has basically become code for "not enough blacks." MIT isn't diverse enough because there aren't enough blacks, even though huge chunks of the student body are of East Asian or Indian heritage.

J. Farmer said...

@Amadeus 48:

You might as well ask when the state is going to let men out of the ghetto. Men are stopped more often than women. I'm a man, and I've accepted that as a natural consequence of the fact that men commit more crime. I've also had obnoxious police throw their weight around to me. And I never took it as a personal assault on my human integrity. I just assumed the cop was a jerk.

J. Farmer said...

The problem is that the relatively small number of police misbehavior towards blacks is used to defend an entire worldview on race in America that is significantly at odds with empirical reality. Less than 1% of black homicide victims are killed by cops. Your perspective is like saying we shouldn't worry about heart disease or cancer until we've cured some rare exotic disease that affects a relatively small number of people.

Gahrie said...

We are talking past each other. My essential concern is when does the state let Jason Riley or Tim Scott out of the ghetto? Never?

It is not the "state" that is "keeping them in the ghetto". There is not a police department in the country that tells its officers to go out and harass Black people. There are no laws or policies mandating it. The interactions are instead a product of each individual officer's experiences on the job.

You want to reach a place where cops don't profile Black men? Reduce the tremendous amount of crime committed by Black men. (again, primarily against other Black people)

Gahrie said...

You can see why they are tired of it-

Sure. But are they doing anything to solve the actual problem, the dysfunctional inner city culture, or are they just bitching and moaning about racism?

-and they can never be successful enough to get away from it.

it is not their success or lack of it that is at issue...it is the behavior of the majority of their fellow Black men that is the issue.

MaxedOutMama said...

They split the faculty by white and non-white (POC)?

When did the concept of "safe spaces" become "a space and time in which you are never contradicted"?

Is this what a university SHOULD be?

J. Farmer said...

@MaxedOutMama:

"They split the faculty by white and non-white (POC)?"

Ironically enough, the entire premise of granting black Americans certain race-based privileges is based on their unique experience as descendants of chattel slavery and subsequent Jim Crow laws. Blacks, especially, should be resent the piggybacking of other ethnic minorities on this unique historical experience. Americans of East Asian or Jewish extract typically, on average, outperform on white Americans. How does the whole white privilege/white supremacist view of American history explain this phenomenon. And furthermore, if the effects of historical trauma are so determinative, shouldn't holocaust survivors and European Jewry, in general, be plagued by social maladjustment and poor social outcomes? And yet, the exact opposite is true.

In total, about 750,000 Africans were brought to the United States as slave labor. Between 2000 and 2010, about one million black Africans immigrated to the United States. Why would black Africans willing leave their ancestral homes to emigrate to a country that is supposedly designed to its very core to oppress blacks? As an Ethiopian immigrant friend once expressed to me: there is a pervasive notion in many sub-Saharan African countries that an individual has three paths to success and economic mobility: be a good soccer player and get recruited by a western team, have family members in government or the military who can get you a job, or emigrate to Europe or the United States.

Meade said...

"[P]articipants wanted 'a space to express feelings without the fear of being judged. Our students of color often find such spaces hard to come by.'"

In other words, your students of color asked for racial segregation and you, a state institution of higher education, provided it by separating students based on your assessment of who is a person of color and who is not a person of color. Doesn't equality now require you to do the same for your students not of color if they ever request a space to express feelings without the fear of being judged by your students of color?






walter said...

I stuck my pasty white face into the newly minted "multi-cultural" UW center way back in I think late 90's. If you judge culture by skin color, was very mono.

But this latest UW segregation bit is not fundamentally all that different from the long held notion that we MUST have/search for/recruit more black teachers in school so black students have role models they can relate to.
Dunno..it was VERY rare that any teacher I had was someone I felt I could relate to.

damikesc said...

Still, McGlone said, the intent behind the different meetings “could have been communicated more clearly to avoid any impression of exclusion.”

Yes, they need to lie more convincingly. We're rapidly approaching the point where the Left will argue Brown vs Bd of Education was a bad decision, on par with Citizens United.

The defense is that the officials meant well and didn't intend to demean anybody. Let's remember that the problem with "separate but equal" — as the Supreme Court put it in Brown v. Board of Education — was that the line separating the races was "usually interpreted as denoting the inferiority of" the nonwhite group.

Isn't that McGlone's unspoken reason? That non-whites cannot handle discussing issues with anybody with a differing view?

How would you feel if I told you in the future that most Black women and men would no longer get married, that 75% of Black children were illegitimate, that Black women killed hundreds of thousands of their children every year, that Black children would be forced to go to failing schools, and that hundreds of Black teenagers would be murdered by other black teenagers in the streets, that almost half of young Black men would turn to a life of crime and spend significant time in jail and that large numbers of Black people would be reduced to despair, disorder and government dependency. Best of all, you don't have to do a thing...they'll do it to themselves.

I wouldn't say, necessarily, that they did it to themselves. Government provided benefits to people who did not abide by long-standing cultural norms. They targeted these "benefits" at blacks fairly openly. And they responded to incentives as people are wont to do.

...and it seems more of the "institutional racism" is bad shit without asking who runs the institutions...

James Pawlak said...

'Tis only another UW "Affirmative Action" program for "minority" students unprepared for the challenge of ideas as should be the standard for universities.

hawkeyedjb said...

"a space to express feelings without fear of being judged"

Isn't that what racists want? Wouldn't white racist kids want a space to express feelings without being judged? That's what the racist black kids want - a safe space to complain about white people. That's what they got. The university uses words like Tolerance and Inclusion to describe how they helped.

walter said...

"a space to express feelings without fear of being judged"

Maybe the problem is fearing that. Although the speech police of Universities have certainly created their own brand of fear.

I guess the problem is both not being heard and being heard by the wrong people. Not simply moving, but musical goal posts.

Basil said...

Are the Democrats back to doing segregation again? I thought we had dragged them kicking and screaming past that.

Guess not.

mikee said...

"It is a best practice in student affairs to allow quiet and reflective space for those who request it."

That place is called "home" and any student requiring such a space should avail themselves of it immediately.