June 10, 2016

"Why don’t you leave suburbia for once — come and see me — either here — or at the Cape next week or in Boston the 19th."

"I know it is unwise, irrational, and that you may hate it — on the other hand you may not — and I will love it. You say that it is good for me not to get what I want. After all of these years — you should give me a more loving answer than that. Why don’t you just say yes."

JFK wrote to in a letter to Mary Pinchot Meyer in October 1963 — a letter he never sent. JFK was shot to death the next month. And the following year, Meyer too was shot to death.

From the Wikipedia page for Mary Pinchot Meyer:
In 1983, former Harvard University psychology lecturer Timothy Leary claimed that in the spring of 1962, Pinchot Meyer, who, according to her biographer Nina Burleigh "wore manners and charm like a second skin", told Leary she was taking part in a plan to avert worldwide nuclear war by convincing powerful male members of the Washington establishment to take mind-altering drugs, which would presumably lead them to conclude that the Cold War was meaningless.

According to Leary, Meyer had sought him out for the purpose of learning how to conduct LSD sessions with these powerful men, including, she strongly implied, President John F. Kennedy, who was then her lover. Leary alleged that Pinchot Meyer told him she had shared in this plan with at least seven other Washington socialite friends who held similar political views and were trying to supply LSD to a small circle of high-ranking government officials. Leary also claimed that Pinchot Meyer had asked him for help while in a state of fear for her own life after the assassination of President Kennedy.

In his biography Flashbacks (1983), Leary claimed he had a call from Pinchot Meyer soon after the Kennedy assassination during which she sobbed and said, "They couldn't control him any more. He was changing too fast...They've covered everything up. I gotta come see you. I'm afraid. Be careful."...

50 comments:

Saint Croix said...

wow, this is stuff I did not learn in school

Meyer was shot to death on the Chesapeake & Ohio Canal towpath on October 12, 1964, three weeks after the release of the Warren Commission Report, whose conclusions Meyer allegedly challenged.[6][7] The timing of her killing and the effort by CIA counterintelligence chief James Angleton to retrieve Meyer’s diary immediately after her murder have prompted investigation of possible CIA involvement in her death.[8] The African American man accused of her murder, Ray Crump, Jr., was acquitted at trial in July, 1965. Her murder remains officially unsolved.

Roughcoat said...

Huh. I didn't know about this one.

vicari valdez said...

damn, would've been interesting if meyer had succeeded. wasn't there some 70's rock singer who tried to dose nixon?

Sebastian said...

"After all of these years" Hmm.

YoungHegelian said...

When one reads the full article on Mary Pinchot & contemplates what exactly was a whack-job like that doing in such intimate proximity to the President of the USA, one starts to understand that Trump is not really more of a narcissistic nutcase than we've had rule over us many times before in the past, he's just a more public, in-yer-face, new social media kind of narcissistic nutcase.

I mean, really, could Trump be more of a security risk than Hillary with her server or JFK, who just had this ingrained habit of fucking major security risks? Somehow, the Republic survived. "Children, drunks, & the United States", I believe Otto von B. said.

vicari valdez said...

i agree that what we've seen with trump is not really all that new in a lot of ways.

David said...

Pinchot and JFK went way back, to prep school days. It was an open secret then and while JFK was president. She was lovely, charming and reliably discreet. She was also one of the ones that Jackie knew about, and was threatened by. Same social class, and a much longer association with Jack. Leary took advantage of her like he took advantage of everyone, and she was a pretty easy mark because she was used to getting away with everything.

Whether she and Jack actually took LSD together is unclear. But it was available to him. Everything was available to him.

EDH said...

vicari valdez said...
wasn't there some 70's rock singer who tried to dose nixon?

Grace Slick?

Paco Wové said...

"[Grace] Slick and Tricia Nixon, former President Richard Nixon's daughter, are alumnae of Finch College. Slick was invited to a tea party for the alumnae at the White House in 1969. She invited political activist Abbie Hoffman to be her escort and planned to spike President Richard Nixon's tea with 600 micrograms of LSD. The plan was thwarted when they were prevented from entering after being recognized by White House security personnel, as Slick had been placed on an FBI blacklist."

Thus sayeth Wikipedia

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jacksonjay said...

Just got triggered. I can't read the name, Nina Burleigh, without the memory of her infamous quote about Bubba. Especially in light of today's Drudge headline. She must be so proud, all these years later. I'm sure her children beam with liberal pride when thinking of dear ole Mom on her knees!

dreams said...

Liberal/socialist losers.

Terry said...

Whenever someone mentions the Kennedy assassination, I feel the need to remind people that Kennedy was killed by a communist who was upset over Kennedy's treatment of Castro.

narciso said...

the creater of heroes, had an odd novel, where the nephew of james forrestal, who was involved in such an MK ULTRA exercise, gets himself involved in the kennedy assasination, meyer's visits with the president has a minor sideplot,

vicari valdez said...


�� wow, 600 micrograms is way too much. that would have been a bad situation.

traditionalguy said...

JFKs lovers were dropping like flies because they all knew too much that could expose motives behind Hoover and LBJ 's cooperation on the Dallas hit on Kennedy.

The Conspirators staged Marilyn Monroe's overdose too. For that alone they should never be forgiven.

buwaya said...

I did know about this one. Her murder is in the mix of conspiracy theories.
Not that I credit most of them, but there was an awful lot of funny business about the Kennedy's, to this day. There are a host of mysteries and ambiguities that have not yet all been revealed or explained. And the press has always largely been in their pocket, like it wasn't for even Johnson.

"Trump is not really more of a narcissistic nutcase than we've had rule over us many times before in the past, he's just a more public, in-yer-face, new social media kind of narcissistic nutcase."

Much less of one than many others in the office, his main distinction is personal charisma most others lacked. It takes a very unusual personality to win to that position, or anything like it.

One huge plus about Trump, should he win, is that there wont be any mysteries.

Virgil Hilts said...

I like Nina Burleigh a lot and this makes me want to read her book. Her book on the Amanda Knox case was excellent. Also, I always kind of liked her for her comment about Clinton. How many feminists would have the guts to says something like that. Can you see Amanda Marcotte saying something like that or writing a book about Mary Pinchot? People on the right should not write Nina off as a "knees jerk" reaction. She is interesting.

Terry said...

ConspiracyGuy wrote:
"JFKs lovers were dropping like flies because they all knew too much that could expose motives behind Hoover and LBJ 's cooperation on the Dallas hit on Kennedy."

Kennedy was killed by a man named Lee Harvey Oswald, a communist who was upset over Kennedy's treatment of Castro.
If you believe that Hoover and LBJ killed Kennedy, you might as well believe he was killed by people from outer space who didn't like Kennedy's moon-landing plan. There are, after all, many first hand reports of space people who are hostile to mankind.

EMD said...

“The fact that the CIA’s most controversial counterintelligence specialist had been caught in the act of breaking and entering, and looking for her diary,” Bradlee said, was not something he considered appropriate for public disclosure.

Our elite media betters, deciding what is good for us.

narciso said...

it seems unlikely, there was another series, dark skies, that posited an alien intervention in the assasination,


https://www.amazon.com/Shift-Novel-Gate-Orpheus-Trilogy/dp/0307453456/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1465603437&sr=1-1&keywords=Tim+Kring

narciso said...

the fact, she was the ex wife of the head of the plans division of the cia, made it particularly interesting,

chickelit said...

Leary she was taking part in a plan to avert worldwide nuclear war by convincing powerful male members of the Washington establishment to take mind-altering drugs, which would presumably lead them to conclude that the Cold War was meaningless.

That's the unchanging left for you, always thinking unilaterally without a care for what the Soviets may have been up to. We see it today with their insistence on weakening only our side's resolve in international disputes.

Now where is Jelly to weigh in on what Rousseau thought?

Alice Aforethought said...

What is a powerful "male member" of the Washington establishment?

Like a Dick Nixon?

Laslo Spatula said...

"Jacqueline, I don't know if this is a good idea anymore."

"You love me, don't you Lee Harvey?"

"More than any non-Russian Capitalist woman I've ever met."

"So: how DO I measure up to your Russian girls, Lee?"

"I love that I can understand what you say in your wispy, wispy feathery voice."

"I've practiced in front of the mirror for YEARS."

"Yes. But your husband -- eventually he'll find out."

"My husband is busy fucking women while Teddy watches them in the pool. Teddy has a thing about women and water."

"Jacqueline?"

"Yes, Lee Harvey?"

"What if I was to shoot your husband?"

"Shoot my husband?"

"Yes. You two are coming to Dallas. He's going to drive right under the building I work."

"But Lee, they'll find you and capture you."

"No, no, my love. I will have suspicious patsies on the Grassy Knoll to take the blame."

"That's genius, Lee! Patsies!"

"I know! No one would believe that poor little Lee Harvey Oswald could pull off such a dastardly deed by himself!"

"Are you sure you can do it?"

"Of course! Sure, I might get nervous and miss the first shot or two, but I'll get him before he gets under the underpass. I was a Marine, remember?"

"Lee, I love you."

"I love you, Jackie."

"But please understand -- even if you kill my husband I will not have anal sex with you."

"Really? Even after I kill a President?"

"Lee Harvey my love, I don't do Greek*..."


*Greek, of course, being a phrase used to describe anal sex. And Jackie married a Greek Tycoon. Who undoubtably fucked the Wife of a Dead President in the ass. So that last line is really, really funny, if you think about it enough.


I am Laslo.

wholelottasplainin' said...

Angie Dickinson purportedly had a tryst with JFK, and later said, "It was the best ten seconds of my life".

Krumhorn said...

So that last line is really, really funny, if you think about it enough.

It was very funny even if she didn't take it in the Onassis. Hmmm..was that reach-around too far?

- Krumhorn

William said...

JFK reportedly had sex with Audrey Hepburn, Sophia Loren, and Marilyn Monroe. He hit the trifecta of 20th century nookie.......Leary was an unreliable witness to his own life. I believe JFK got away with an awful lot that we'll never know about, but I would need more corroboration than Leary's word on this.......I have heard that JFK negotiated the Cuban Missle Crisis while being administered cocaine $ amphetamine cocktails by Dr. Feelgood. I wonder how long it will take for JFK to find his proper place in history.

Terry said...

LBJ: "We gotta do something about Jack. We've got to get him out of the way so I can step into the presidency."
Hoover: "No problem. He is addicted to pain pills and he's screwing every Hollywood starlet and Vegas showgirl he can get his hands on. A lot of those molls have mob connections. I'll show Jack the pictures and threaten to plant a few stories in the Times. He'll resign in a week for 'health reasons' before he will face that music."
LBJ: NO! We need to kill him. I have come up with a great plan! It involves a commie ex-marine and some black ops guys. We'll trick this ex-marine into shooting at Kennedy but he'll miss and our black ops will shoot him instead. And the best thing? We'll do it in the middle of a fucking parade in Dallas. Thousands of witnesses, God only know how many of them will have cameras, or what they might see.
Hoover: "You are a genius!" (stands and clicks heels, makes a Hitler salute) "Heil, President Johnson!"

narciso said...

yes, the crazy train with roger stone's pal, robert morrow, jerome corsi, and barr mcclendon,

Terry said...

My own theory is that the right-wing conspiracy guys gave Oswald a gun with a bent barrel. Just through random chance, though, Oswald hit Kennedy and killed him. Black ops guy on the grassy knoll had to just stand there, fuming.

Terry said...

Look, a word to the wise, research "Jack Ruby" and "Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys." Yeah, the Western Swing connection. Wheels within wheels, my friend, wheels within wheels . . .

narciso said...

actually occam's razor points the right way.

http://cuban-exile.com/doc_451-475/doc0451.html

Terry said...

Maybe I'm saying too much, but . . .
Bob Wills knew Jack Ruby. Sold him a ranch. Hank Williams knew Bob Wills (of course, they were old pals from their Texarkana night club days). Williams was addicted to pain pills. So was Kennedy. Williams spend WW2 working at a shipyard in Alabama. That same shipyard produced a certain boat -- the PT 109 -- that Kennedy commanded in WW2. The PT 109 was attacked by a Jap sub. Wonder how the Japs knew the PT 109 was there? Like maybe a homing device was built into it at the shipyard?
How did Williams die, anyhow? Perfectly healthy when he got into the car, dead a few hours later.

Lawrence Person said...

Leary was a con man and Nina Burleigh is manifestly irrational.

walter said...

Lawrence, that was a particularly potent instapundit quote. Kerboom. Might apply to Geena Davis too.

Smilin' Jack said...

....told Leary she was taking part in a plan to avert worldwide nuclear war by convincing powerful male members of the Washington establishment to take mind-altering drugs, which would presumably lead them to conclude that the Cold War was meaningless.

Fuck meaning...seeing gigantic glowing mushroom clouds while on acid would be totally awesome. They'd all be saying, "Push the button, Jack!"

chickelit said...

"Please come to Boston."
She said, 'No.
Would you come home to me?'

furious_a said...

It was the Chicago Mob and the Cubans who put out the hit on JFK.

Michael K said...

"Kennedy was killed by a man named Lee Harvey Oswald, a communist who was upset over Kennedy's treatment of Castro. "

The best conspiracy theory is in Epstein's two books of which this is one.

He theorizes that Oswald had a KGB connection that went back to the Marine Corps. Pretty interesting theories. Some evidence.

Terry said...

The horror.
https://youtu.be/0C08jmN1sM8
Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys singing "The New San Antonia Rose." If you were to strip the flesh from them, it would be all bones and death's heads.

damikesc said...

When one reads the full article on Mary Pinchot & contemplates what exactly was a whack-job like that doing in such intimate proximity to the President of the USA, one starts to understand that Trump is not really more of a narcissistic nutcase than we've had rule over us many times before in the past, he's just a more public, in-yer-face, new social media kind of narcissistic nutcase.

It REALLY makes one wonder how a slutty, drug-addled weakling like JFK got this insane aura around him. Camelot seems like the most asinine time ever.

Kennedy was killed by a man named Lee Harvey Oswald, a communist who was upset over Kennedy's treatment of Castro.

Yeah, that seems most plausible.

Conspiracy theorists can easily point out all of the really odd parts of the official explanation --- but they are never able to generate an ALTERNATE explanation. That, to me, is key. I can point to flaws in any explanation. But if I cannot provide a credible alternative, then the official one is the still the most likely scenario. There are "flaws" because recreating somebody perfectly is exceptionally difficult.

Was there a gunmen on the knoll? Seems odd the Secret Service wasn't searching for one after 4 shots. None of them acted as if the attack came from the front. The Secret Service, even after their embarrassments the last 8 years, are good at figuring out where an attack is coming from really quickly.

Was Oswald a really good marksman? Seems he really wasn't that great. And his rifle may have had a bad sight. Doesn't mean that shooting a very slow moving target is impossible. Difficult, maybe. Impossible? No.

That's the unchanging left for you, always thinking unilaterally without a care for what the Soviets may have been up to. We see it today with their insistence on weakening only our side's resolve in international disputes.

You're assuming they had American concerns at the front of their thoughts. I do not have that assumption. Anybody advocating unilateral disarmament isn't seeking to strengthen anybody.

Rusty said...

traditionalguy said...
JFKs lovers were dropping like flies because they all knew too much that could expose motives behind Hoover and LBJ 's cooperation on the Dallas hit on Kennedy.

The Conspirators staged Marilyn Monroe's overdose too. For that alone they should never be forgiven.


And we're being visited by people from another planet.
Christ.

Paul Snively said...

Because mind-altering chemicals are such a wonderful way to achieve rational decision-making.

Say what you will about the '60s drug culture, but at least when Grace Slick wanted to sing about an acid trip, she chose "Alice in Wonderland" as her launching-off point.

Steve M. Galbraith said...

Sorry, if you believe Timothy Leary's account then, well, you really need help.

Meyer was murdered, in all likelihood, by a serial murderer and criminal by the name of Ray Crump. Crump was charged with the murder but not convicted. He later went on to rape and assault other women. A really evil man. It had nothing to do with JFK or the assassination.

One interesting aspect of this is that the then associate publisher of the Washington Post, Phillip Graham, revealed this affair - along with others that JFK had - in a rambling speech before a group of newspaper editors in January of 1963. Graham later committed suicide in August of '63.

madisonfella said...

A lot of those molls have mob connections

Speaking of conspiracy theories, its funny how so many people still believe the Mafia actually existed.

The Cracker Emcee said...

My favorite conspiracy theory is that JFK was killed by Ngo Dinh Diem's family as revenge for the CIA coup. Wildly implausible from a nuts'n'bolts perspective, it would have a very satisfying wake of historical reverbations. Oh, those crazy '60's!

The Cracker Emcee said...

Like the 9/11 dirtbags, Oswald with his crappy surplus Carcano just goes to show that Luck can be as ugly as it is provident. People are fucking silly.

Rusty said...

The Carcano was accurate enough. Oswald was an ex marine and the shots weren't that far.

aritai said...

sigh. This is a nasty one. Needed to go disinfect my keyboard, mostly because grammma was spitting angry as she dictated. And you have no clue how deadly the rot in large carnivorous lizard's mouth is.

gramma says that family was the talk of the crater. Turn out I was out at our mines on pluto so I missed it. Better than your HBO and your adult movies channels. Sine we scan see clearly into your homes and hear your thoughts. Old Joe, the Nazi lover would take his very athletic and well-endowed chauffeur upstairs for very strenuous and loud exercise shortly before lunch saying the doctor said he needed to do this to maintain a healthy prostate, the doctor also said take pictures and bring them in so I can check on your progress. Old Joe then had is Son's do the same and they'd compare pictures as they'd do for other academic feats. Ms. Bouvier was a little naughty in her younger years and smarter than all of them together and knowing she had a chance to marry into big money from Joe’s gangster and booze business and use her assets to create her own royalty, she targeted the Kennedy closer to her wild spirits. This all ended when she opened the door that her soon to be father in law maintained and found her own picture along with all the others scored and ordered like high dives, the messier the better. she collected them all and used them like Ms. C. as a hammer over all the brothers, and told J. he must be more discrete and smart, or else her dreams of creating a new royalty were over, and she would publish the pictures including hers with old Joe.

this Ms. C. like ruthlessness also showed up where she shifted blame from the left to the right in an instant with J.'s death, because she'd already prepared for it. As well as her later run to Mr. Onassis later having been involved him and have the same sort of pictures from a the pedophile island of its day. She was the ultimate girl scout. Always prepared. John was certainly his father's son. Of course the sons and the father treated this as a competition, comparing notes and pictures. The daughters and mother were destroyed by all this, good and decent women, victimized by old Joe. Who didn't hesitate to buy off, and if they didn’t stay bought, have kill those who threatened his family, or might publish those pictures. And journalists that might talk about it. Makes FBO and your Porn look tame. Of course we have are also voyeurs so we pay goodly number of tadpoles to watch all this as reflected through our best reflector on the big screen. W cried at the suffering Rose and the daughter were forced to endure, which eventually drove the daughter into such severe depression suppressing her urge to confess all they removed that challenge since old Joe couldn’t bring himself to kill her by having her lobotomized.