June 10, 2016

"Warren to meet with Clinton this morning, fueling VP speculation."

Headline at WaPo.

I thought it couldn't be Warren because she's one of the Democratic Senators whose vacated seat would give a Republican governor the power to name the replacement. But I guess the need to win the presidency could supersede the desire to control the Senate.

I would guess that today's meeting is more about getting Warren lined up to lend her support to Hillary's campaign where it will be most helpful and to perform a little theater for us out here in the public. We can talk about the VP possibilities and what it would mean to have a ticket with 2 women.

Okay, let me do that for a second: Hillary just reveled in the history-makingness of her being the first woman to get a major-party nomination for the presidency. Why would she like that historical distinction to be immediately intruded upon by a second woman, sharing a second distinction, the first 2-woman major party ticket? I'll just gesture subtly at the "other woman" theme in Hillary's life and say that her preference is probably to stand alone as the woman, not to be there with another woman. I know some people are putting it in terms of whether America is ready for 2 women, as if it's America's fault for being so sexist, but I think Hillary herself doesn't and shouldn't want to share the stage with another woman.

Especially Elizabeth Warren. Elizabeth Warren is such a passionate speaker that it's actually pretty weird. If you align with her on the issues, you may think it's absolutely wonderful, but if you don't, you might feel very uneasy, as I did watching her on the Rachel Maddow show last night. Warren gets so excited, it's like she's in the middle of a heated argument. It's very theatrical. That alone could be off-putting to many people, if we were just deciding if we wanted to hand power to her. But think about the set of her and Hillary. Hillary's style is so emotionally flat, it's almost robotic. Why would you pair that with Warren? If it were a TV show, it might be great fun — a kind of Kirk and Spock effect, but with Spock in the captain's chair.

I don't care enough about "Star Trek" to know if there was ever an episode or movie plot where Spock got to be captain and Kirk was subordinated. If so, how'd that work out? Badly, right? The emotionless one in command would replicate traditional patriarchy, and the emotional, subordinated one would seem like a traditional wife. In traditional wife-and-husband stories where there is an emotionally vibrant wife and an stony, logical husband, the story would almost certainly have the wife ultimately undermining the husband's attempted domination.

How could Hillary set up a show like that?

129 comments:

tim in vermont said...

The thing about reading Hillary is that she cannot be read as a text, like Shakespeare, where scholars assume that the meaning of every comma was fully intended in all of its implications by "The Bard." No, Hillary is pretty much a bumbling idiot, as her military adventurism shows, and you can't read her actions that way.

You can speculate as to the effects of a Hillary move, but you can't really ponder intention, she is too uneven, there us no intellectual foundation on which to plant your feet.

Kate said...

She can't. And she'd be impeached before her first year was out.

yoobee said...

The Kirk-subordinate-to-Spock thing happened in the Star Trek re-boot that came about 4 or 5 years ago. It lasted for about one-third or half of the movie before things went bad.

rhhardin said...

She's running as medicine-woman.

rhhardin said...

Dual squaw ticket.

David Begley said...

Clinton-Warren. Two charmless and screeching harridans.

tim in vermont said...

The main difference between Kirk and Hillary is that Kirk's recklessness generally paid off, largely due to the fact that he is fictional, and Hillary's recklessness has led to huge disasters, if you doubt me, look at the refugee crisis in Europe.

rhhardin said...

I passed up an amazon-suggested DVD where an old writer takes up with a young lesbian who left her transgender lover for him.

They're ringing the gender changes.

Hagar said...

Ernestine Blofeld and a younger and female Bernie. No, I don't think that is going to happen, and if it did, it would not work.

readering said...

Emotionally flat and passionate? Seemed to work for Bush-Quayle, I mean Obama-Biden.

David Begley said...

"The Warden." According to Bill's longtime squeeze Dolly Kyle, that's Bill's nickname for Hillary.

Warden-Warren.

Bob Boyd said...

Perhaps they're thinking Warren, who has cultivated a anti-Wall Street, anti-Big Banks image, might bring the Bernie contingent back into the fold.

Amadeus 48 said...

Warren ran behind Obama in Massachsetts. I can't see her being an asset to the Hillary campaign. I am afraid that Hillary and Elizabeth would come across as a couple of harpies come to torture those who are on the wrong side of history.
Hillary should bask in the glory of being the first major party nominee who identifies as a woman.

Henry said...

Ms. Clinton should beat Trump easily if she can get out the vote. But despite the databases and call banks, she has zero ability to inspire anyone in the middle or far left to make the effort.

She has a Hobson's choice. Lock up the left with Warren or some other Sanders' surrogate. Or try to lock up the undecided center by finding some Democratic moderate with appeal in the Midwest. But who would that be? Chaffee? O'Malley? There's no Democratic moderate left with a constituency.

Ron said...

I wouldn't push the Trek analogy too far...it would mean Hillary/Kirk would have to shag every 20 minutes or so, and I think the Nation's heart couldn't take the strain.

Maybe Hil is discussing a bribe to Warren to take the fall for the email thing somehow...the "Patsy" (No offense to actual Patsies!)

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amielalune said...


President "Evil Grandma" and VP "Evil Mrs. Santa Claus" Just great.

Saint Croix said...

It's bizarre to me how fearful she is of Bernie Sanders. Really bizarre!

She wants to lurch to the middle so bad. And yet, all those people on the left need to be inspired and get out and vote.

If she doesn't put Bernie Sanders on her ticket, she will need Donald Trump to inspire her base and get them all angry and afraid and voting against him.

Gahrie said...

I thought it couldn't be Warren because she's one of the Democratic Senators whose vacated seat would give a Republican governor the power to name the replacement.

Not a problem..the Democrats just switch the power back to the legislature like they did the last time this was an issue....

tim in vermont said...

Perhaps they're thinking Warren, who has cultivated a anti-Wall Street, anti-Big Banks image, might bring the Bernie contingent back into the fold

Funny how Warren will climb right into bed with Hillary though. (Excuse the image)

gspencer said...

Clinton - Warren,

the ultimate harridan ticket,

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Gahrie said...

Let's not forget though, she could be the first American Indian to be VP.

Charles Curtis, vice - president to Hoover, had much more authentic Indian blood than Warren's fake ancestry.

Gahrie said...

Curtis's mother was 3/4 Indian, and as a boy he had the nickname "Indian Charley". He spent part of his childhood on a reservation.

So the Republicans nominated and elected the first American Indian to a national office, but got no credit for it.

ndspinelli said...

Crooked Hillary and Pocahantas? It would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

Hagar said...

Ernestine will want someone that can b trusted from within SMERSH, which would be a bit thick, or a clueless Tammany Brave like Joe Bidenl, who can safely be left outside and nobody will pay attention to him.
Cherokee Liz will demand lots of attention be paid to her, so, no.

If the U.S. Constitution has a flaw, it is that it provides for a Vice-President as a President-in-waiting. It would be better to just eliminate the office.

ndspinelli said...

Trump would never pick Cruz as a mate. But, I would pay to see Cruz filet Pochantas in a VP debate.

Alexander said...

Anecdotes not being data, etc. etc.

People I know that love Bernie and hate Hillary... like Warren. So that's a benefit.

More cynically, it lets them keep the 'historic' tagline in play if Hillary has to drop out of the race.

tim in vermont said...

Warren's Indian name is "Could pass for native in Copenhagen".

Gahrie said...

If the U.S. Constitution has a flaw, it is that it provides for a Vice-President as a President-in-waiting. It would be better to just eliminate the office.

At the time it was necessary to ensure the succession of power if the president died. This is no longer necessary after the 20th Amendment, and the creation of the presidential succession list. We would still need someone to break Senate ties, but that could be given to the president.

Gusty Winds said...

When Warren gets heated up, I would call her speaking style 'unhinged'.

It's got that same feel like when your wife is going off on you about some bullshit and you're thinking, "Oh, the relief death will bring."

rhhardin said...

V-troop

EDH said...

Not sure how any of this will work out if Hillary is forced to disavow the "Obama economy" later this year.

Rae said...

Warren would be Clinton's Sarah Palin to her John McCain.

Hagar said...

We would still need someone to break Senate ties,

Why?
In any case, the Senate is quite capable of establishing its own rules.

Levi Starks said...

Uhh,
Before comparing Spock-Kirk role reversals, I think you need to reflect on Spocks inability to lie.

Michael K said...

"Warren, who has cultivated a anti-Wall Street, anti-Big Banks image, might bring the Bernie contingent back into the fold."

I assume this must be the motivation for any thought of Warren as VP. I assumed that she needed to black vote and would go with Booker.

She would be delusional to think that she has it locked up. However, the GOPe is Now trying to throw the election to Hillary.

If anyone wondered how the GOP could lose this one, it is there plain to see.

Martha said...

No, PLEASE!
a Hillary! — Elizabeth! ticket would be like having your least inspiring and humorless high school teachers hectoring you non-stop every time you turned on cable news.

William said...

Bill Clinton chose Al Gore as his running mate. Gore did not provide any type of gegraphic or ideological balance. He was chosen as an intensifier rather than as a modifier. It worked for her husband. Maybe she feels that it will work for her.......(People forget, but, at one time, Gore was considered a southern moderate. He came from a long and distinguished family of segregationists, and his wife didn't like rap music. It was also felt, back then, that he had a happier, more stable marriage than the Clintons.)..........Warren demonstrates that a woman doesn't have to be shrill or artificial to be annoying. Sadly, Bella Abzug is no longer available to serve as Hilary's veep.

John said...

Gahrie,

The primary job of the vp is to preside over the senate. The veep is in the legislative, not the executive branch.

Itis not, constitutionally, to be some sort of copresident

The line of succession is head of senate then head, speaker, of congress.

We need to separate elections for vp and prez

John Henry

bagoh20 said...

There is something unstable and ominous feeling about such a 2 woman power team. We all feel that, even if we can't exactly explain it. Two ambitious men is bad enough, but these two women sounds like anything but a "team".

M Jordan said...

Bumper stickers ideas:

"Vote for Grandma and the Squaw"
"Pantsuits and Moccasins in every closet"
"Hillary wants your wampum"
"Warren and Clinton put the red and white into red, white, and blue"
"Let's scalp Trump!"
"Me Hillary, She Tonto"
"Trump's Last Stand"
"Hillary Clinton: A true kemosabe"
"Emails and Females, 2016"
"Clinton/Warren: Let's delete the past 8 years"



Quaestor said...

There was the episode where Kirk, McCoy, Scott, and Uhura changed places with their parallel universe counterparts. Our Spock spotted the exchange immediately and had the exchanged Kirk thrown in the brig. Evil Jim tried to bargain pitifully, offering credits (i.e. money) and/or something better (Power, Spock? Is that want you want? I can get that for you!) Evil Spock is the parallel universe was pretty cool. He broke Imperial Regulations to warn Good Jim about orders to assassinate him. The best thing about Evil Spock was his no nonsense approach to things, especially discipline — Your agonizer, please. President Trump should put DARPA to work on one for government employees. Imagine THE DONALD calling Lois Lerner on the Oval Office carpet and saying, "Your agonizer, please." I think we'd see a rapid change in those inside the beltway attitudes. A little servile groveling is good for republics.

Speaking of intense pain I think I'd opt for full duration agony booth rather than listen to Miz Liz merely breath.

shiloh said...

Tim Kaine = Governor / Senator / low key / knowledgeable/efficient / speaks fluent Spanish / swing state / current Governor is Dem

It's always good not to overthink the process.

Again, he'd fit the winning vp profile of do no harm, maybe help a little:

'52/'56 Nixon
'60 LBJ
'64 Humphrey
'68/'72 Agnew
'76 Mondale
'80/'84 Bush41
'88 Quayle
'92/'96 Gore
'00/'04 Cheney
'08/'12 Biden

This is not rocket science ...

>

Trump's pick is a more interesting process ie who wants to be his vp?

Gingrich/Christie/Sessions er someone who will really, really has to swallow a mouthful! ie Rubio/Cruz/Kasich/Perry

Haley/Martinez seem to be out of the equation.

Here's where that Republican deep bench really helps. Oh wait!

AprilApple said...

Endorsing Hillary is the latest sign that Warren is a fraud.

Gahrie said...

The primary job of the vp is to preside over the senate. The veep is in the legislative, not the executive branch.

No, the vice-presidency is created in Article II of the Constitution, which describes the Executive Branch. The legislative Branch is created by Article I.

The Constitution gives the vice president the power to preside over certain legislative bodies, but he is expressly prohibited from participating, except in the case of a tie.

mockturtle said...

I hope she does pick Warren. That combo would be better for Trump. But I honestly don't think Hillary is that stupid.

AprilApple said...

fav line from link:

What’s so ironic about this is that if Goldman Sachs, as an institution, were to somehow take human form and run for political office, it would be — hell, it is — Hillary Clinton.

damikesc said...

Hey, two corrupt unlikeable women on the ticket. That'll work wonders.

Warren ran behind Obama in Massachsetts

That's always the stumbling block in her cult of personality. Warren hasn't exactly done great in elections. She didn't destroy Scott Brown in a Democratic year. in, arguably, the most Democratic state.

AprilApple said...

"Warren can back whomever she pleases. But let’s not pretend Hillary Clinton is anything other than the manifestation of everything Warren claims to be fighting against.

Warren’s a fraud, always has been. What’s amazing is that her “progressive” fans still fall for it."


Hillary-Warren - Goldman Sachs/Fraud-cahantas 21016

Wilbur said...

A safe pick would be Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida, moderate, swing-state, popular state-wide.

Nelson's not likely to give up his safe seat, though. He's figured out the easiest path to re-election for any senator: Keep under the radar and out of the news.

Gahrie said...

The line of succession is head of senate then head, speaker, of congress.

Not quite. The first seven positions in the current line of succession are:

1 Vice President
2 Speaker of the House of Representatives
3 President pro tempore of the Senate
4 Secretary of State
5 Secretary of the Treasury
6 Secretary of Defense
7 Attorney General

So...vice president, then the head of the House, then the head of the Senate, and then the cabinet officers, in the order the position was created.

traditionalguy said...

At last a ticket that the Millenials would be comfortable with. Hill will be the Lesbian Dike and Elizabeth will be the Lipstick Lesbian part of a couple. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

John said...

Yes, Gahrie,you seem to have the succession correct.

But Vice President = head (President) of the Senate. Article 1, section 3

Legislative, not executive, branch.

John Henry

John said...

Also VP is not "expressly prohibited from participating".

They are only prohibited, Constitutionally, from voting.

John Henry

Paddy O said...

"The line of succession is..."

If things go according to the plan, the line of succession is Bill Clinton, the Hillary Clinton, then Chelsea Clinton...

Michael said...

The Vice President has to be a good soldier. It's hard to see Warren quietly falling in line if Hillary feels the need to say or do something hawkish or otherwise not Hard Left. I don't see Hillary doing this unless she thinks she has to in order to win.

Henry said...

Levi Starks
Before comparing Spock-Kirk role reversals, I think you need to reflect on Spocks inability to lie.
Spock had a masterful ability to equivocate, when necessary.

Nonapod said...

Elizabeth Warren seems like the type of person who would enjoy telling people how much they suck.

I do like Martha's analogy of Hillary - Elizabeth ticket being like two of your most unpleasant high school teachers. Get ready for 8 years of finger wagging and accusations of being naughty! Long live the Croneocracy.

John said...

One of the interesting things about Sarah Palin's vice presidential candidacy was that she realized that the VP was legislative. She also realized that the VP did have some powers in the Senate. Not many and not too significant at the moment but something to build on. She told us that she "was going to be an activist vice-president" and I think she meant it.

Prior to LBJ accepting the job, the Senate Majority Leader position had pretty much no power and nobody ever wanted it. It was the kind of thing that you got elected to when you stepped out to take a leak. LBJ started by nibbling around the edges and turned it into one of the most powerful jobs in government when he had it. I think this is what Palin had in mind. Caro's Master of the Senate, which I think Ann is currently reading, goes into quite a lot of detail on how he did this.

Not to go all Godwin but Stalin was kind of a nobody and took the job of party secretary when nobody else wanted it. When he took it, it was basically keeping records of meetings and so on. Look what he did with that.

John Henry

Static Ping said...

Honestly, I don't think voters are moved much by VP picks anymore. I may be wrong, but the main criteria used to be geographic balance, but the favorite son phenomenon has waned in these days of greater partisanship. Ryan did not carry Wisconsin, Edwards did not carry North Carolina, and Gore did not carry Tennessee when he was on top of the ticket. The only thing you want to avoid is picking someone who will make the top of the ticket look bad, but with the media as it is that may not longer be a concern. The Democrats selected a know-nothing blabbermouth bungler in Biden and the media covered up for him when they could have had a dedicated segment for his idiocy every day. The Republicans selected a pretty, energetic female governor from Alaska. She certainly had flaws, but we primarily got non-stop stories about tanning beds, SNL skits, and faked pregnancies. I would say that the only requirements these days are alive and no felonies, but the Democratic Party has made it clear that the latter is optional and the former can be worked around.

Saint Croix said...

Charles Curtis, vice - president to Hoover, had much more authentic Indian blood than Warren's fake ancestry.

What about Calvin Coolidge?

(I love that photo. And I love Calvin Coolidge, he's awesome).

Advisers warned Coolidge, who wore the headdress while being named an honorary chief in Deadwood, South Dakota, that he would look funny. “Well it’s good for people to laugh, isn’t it?” Coolidge replied.

Saint Croix said...

Woman: "I'll bet I can make you say more than two words."

Calvin Coolidge: "You lose."

Clayton Hennesey said...

A not unreasonable question on strictly sexual grounds: how much collective vagina leading the executive administration will the nation as a whole really accept in 2016?

Hillary as the first female president makes history. Hillary and Warren as a purely female ticket bends that history logarithmically.

Who would vote for that female-female ticket? Well, Pajama Boy would vote for that ticket, but over the entire electorate is there at this time a majority percentage of men and women who would also?

Sebastian said...

This whole business about why would she do this, and Warren would be a fraud, is beside the point. Progs want power. They'll calculate whether Warren as VP is best to shore up the left flank and GOTV. Of course, Warren will entirely discount Hill's shilling for Goldman-Sachs and Wall Street, since she knows the woman has no principle other than herself. She will calculate only whether the VP slot will help turn Hill left. The answer to both may be yes, so Warren has a good shot at VP.

buwaya puti said...

Ancestry.com could solve Warrens problem for $95
Its more than good enough to find 2-5% Native American.
Many "native" white people have this dating to early in the European settlement, so its good odds for her.
Heck, because of uncertainties it very likely could give plausible false positives for some trace of a related connection, like East Asian or Eskimo, which not infrequently and possibly spuriously show up also on European samples.
I wonder why she hasnt.

cubanbob said...

Mix Hillary's cronyism and criminality with Warren's socialism, marinate for fifteen years and Venezuela is what you get. Hillary's pick will be crucial if she (God forbid) be elected: too sane and competent then she runs the real risk of getting impeached and removed or she finds someone to be her Biden (is there anyone out there that bad that thought of removing her and replacing her would be anathema?).

Hillary needs to win to stay out jail and to keep her minions out of jail. She should be running for President of The United Mexican States where that is a reasonable cause to seek the office of president.

Nonapod said...

buwaya puti said... Ancestry.com could solve Warrens problem for $95

There currently are services that will sequence your whole genome for around $1000. They could identify any uniquely Native American markers and remove all doubt and ambiguity... assuming she actually wants or cares to do so. But I doubt that.

At any rate, it doesn't matter if she lied to get preferential treatment. It's all good if you've got a (D) in front of your name.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

The best thing about Evil Spock was his no nonsense approach to things, especially discipline — Your agonizer, please. President Trump should put DARPA to work on one for government employees. Imagine THE DONALD calling Lois Lerner on the Oval Office carpet and saying, "Your agonizer, please."

I don't know why they couldn't re-purpose some tasers for this.

Awesome idea.

buwaya puti said...

The real Pocahontas has a great number of descendants, heavily skewed to prominent and wealthy families, so Indian descent in trace amounts is hardly a handicap in itself.
Warrens career seems to have been based on flimflam on both sides, hers and the characters that probably encouraged her to take that line in order to give her a preference for reasons of academic politics. She was groomed for her track in the cursus honorum, its clear. She was a "made man", or woman, in her own "family" of the Democratic mafia.
Samples of sausage-making like this are what turns people paranoid and disrespectful of prominent institutions. They are revealed as petty, grasping and low minded as the rest of us.

Static Ping said...

There were times where Spock did have to take command, though other than the movie reboot I cannot think of a time where Kirk was a subordinate officer to Spock. It usually occurred because Kirk was not physically present, or Kirk was relieved of command, or, in one case, Kirk was replaced by an evil mirror universe doppelganger and was promptly thrown in the brig. In Star Trek IV Kirk is the Captain of the Enterprise, but Spock is technically in charge of the mission as he is the lead diplomat.

The thing about Kirk and Spock is their leadership styles rubbed off on each other. Spock became more and more willing to take risks thanks to Kirk's influence, though not to the same extent as Kirk would be willing to go, while Kirk seemed to become more calculated in his risks as time went on.

Oh, and Vulcans can lie. It's never been clear to me if the "no lying" thing is outright propaganda promulgated by the Vulcans to get an edge on other species, or if was some sort of misleading technicality. Vulcans are known dissemble, not volunteer information, not correct improper assumptions, provide technically true answers that are misleading, speak in code, etc. Straight up lying is very rare though.

Achilles said...

@buwaya

I guarantee she tried. I think warren is fairly intelligent just lacks a soul.

Charlie said...

Warren is a terrible candidate and is almost as wooden and charmless as Clinton. Also, she has the fake Indian problem which will never go away.

traditionalguy said...

The story is the danger that this "meeting" can make Huma into a very angry lover. A betrayed lover who knows her insider dirt is not what Hillary needs at this moment of the FBI Criminal Investigation.

Writ Small said...

Two Star Trek episodes come to mind that, according to Wikipedia, appeared back to back in the first season.

The first was "The Galileo Seven" in which Spock is put in command of a shuttlecraft mission to a planet cut off from the Enterprise where his emotionless, flat leadership style creates resentment and one problem after another. Only when Spock gives in to an emotional act of desperation at the end is the group saved.

The next episode is "The Squire of Gothos." In this episode, a virtually all-powerful, but emotionally stunted and capricious alien named Trelane reminiscent of no one so much as Liberace abuses his power and delights in tormenting anyone who challenges or insults him. At the end of the episode, Trelane is revealed to be a child and his even-more-powerful parents put an end to his abuses.

Such are our choices this cycle: Spock or Trelane.

Achilles said...

It may be Warren as VP. But it wont be a Hillary-Warren ticket.

If Hillary somehow survives the next 2 months she will pick booker. She needs the cool male head on the ticket and she needs to stop the bleeding in the black vote where Trump is in the mid twenties and climbing. Warren does little for Hillary among the Bernie bros but she needs her support. They are talking cabinet positions or head of the SEC.

traditionalguy said...

But blonde, blue eyed Warren is not a Cherokee warrior. It's far worse. She is a Scots-Irish warrior. And she will not play a submissive role to anybody. These two would make the ultimate odd couple.

I bet an Hispanic woman will be chosen.

Nonapod said...

If we're using Star Trek analogies, Clinton would probably be a high level Romulan politician and Warren would be... I don't know... an Andorian or something?

mikee said...

Again, Gracie Burns as candidate for the Surprise Party in 1940 did it first, and better.

The obvious choice for VP is Bernie Sanders, if Hillary had any doubts about winning the election. That he is not being named indicates Hillary already is sure of enough fraudulent votes, to be produced as needed, to overcome any Trump total vote count.

AprilApple said...

It's worth reminding progs that Warren stands against everything Hillary stands for. Namely - Hillary's special brand of corrupt government cronyism.

But winning, for dems, Trumps principle.

Static Ping said...

CORRECTION: That's Star Trek VI not IV.

Curious George said...

Maybe Hillary needs someone to scissor with?

buwaya puti said...

Warren is in the same camp as Clinton.
Warren has gone after the disposable retail bits of corruption, not the true corporatist stuff, and every regulation she wants to add is in itself yet another item that promotes monopolies, the bread and butter of corporatism.
They are fine and compatible.

Yancey Ward said...

I don't think the Senate being in play is the real stickler- the seat would revert to the Democrats in 2018 anyway (and that assumes Baker is even allowed to fill the seat- I am all but certain he won't be allowed to do so).

The bigger problem is that Clinton has already been pulled far to the left in the primary, and really needs to find a way back the center to shore up the the weaknesses in the midwest. I think Evan Bayh is a far more likely choice.

Michael K said...

"I think Evan Bayh is a far more likely choice."

I think he would be a good choice which is why Hillary would never choose him. First, he would be impeachment bait, not insurance.

chuck said...

Two for one sale on corrupt women. Maybe if they were pizza...

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Roughcoat said...

I don't know if many feel the same way, but Warren is really hard to look at. She kind of reminds me of Buck Owens and his homely face, only with his grandma's hairdo. She looks like she is sucking on a lemon all the time.

Yeah, she's very Calvinist in her appearance, a New England Protestant fence post. I can easily imagine her as a member of the Salem tribunal, judging and passing sentence on accused witches, stern and humorless.

shiloh said...

Hillary is lucky/fortunate Althouse provides insightful/strategic advice daily.

Beam me up Scotty as there's no intelligent life ...

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David said...

"Why would she like that historical distinction to be immediately intruded upon by a second woman, sharing a second distinction, the first 2-woman major party ticket?"

She would do it no problem if the polling showed that it was likely Warren would give her a good assist in winning.

I Callahan said...

In fairness, the JFK/LBJ ticket was successful. Talk about two different personalities. And after JFK passed, LBJ was able to get a lot done.

How bad does Clinton need to take blue states that may be close, like the rust belt states? Quite a bit. Warren may help.

Roughcoat said...

She'll pick a black guy for VP. Not under consideration: Micks, wops, dagos, krauts, chinks, nips, squareheads, dotheads, wetbacks, polacks, bohunks, midgets, dwarves, bozos, beavers, and dingbats. Among others.

tim in vermont said...

Beam me up Scotty as there's no intelligent life ... - Shilo


How exactly would you know?

AprilApple said...

does this work ?

Smilin' Jack said...

Okay, let me do that for a second: Hillary just reveled in the history-makingness of her being the first woman to get a major-party nomination for the presidency. Why would she like that historical distinction to be immediately intruded upon by a second woman, sharing a second distinction, the first 2-woman major party ticket?

Not just a second woman, but a Native-American woman. I think, in today's America, a Native-American woman vice-president outranks a mere woman president, like a flush beats a straight.

AprilApple said...

I think Hillary and Warren are a perfect match.

Ken B said...

Does this mean there are no male democrats willing to be #2 to a woman?

mockturtle said...

It gives Bill someone else to diddle.

walter said...

A pow wow for the diversity ticket...

Gahrie said...

Maybe Hillary needs someone to scissor with?

That's Huma's job.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Fernandinande said...

I think Obama will offer her a deal: "choose me as your running mate, and we won't prosecute you." Then he'll have her assassinated and he'll be president again - I think that'll get around the 22nd Amendment.

Gahrie said...

But Vice President = head (President) of the Senate. Article 1, section 3

Legislative, not executive, branch.


You do remember that originally the vice president was the presidential candidate that came in second?

I guarantee you that Adams and Jefferson were not running to become the head of the Senate. Your confusion comes from the changes made after the election of 1800, but the vice president still runs for office as a member of the executive branch, not the legislative.

Gahrie said...

I think Obama will offer her a deal: "choose me as your running mate, and we won't prosecute you." Then he'll have her assassinated and he'll be president again - I think that'll get around the 22nd Amendment.

Nope.

12th Amendment:

"no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States."

Terry said...

Word is that Sanders won't accept the VP slot.
So Hillary should pick Larry David. At this point most people can't tell the difference between Sanders and David anyhow.

steve uhr said...

I think Warren makes a lot of sense. She agrees to be the running mate and Hillary agrees to nominate her for SCOTUS.

Too bad the ticket isn't reversed. I would vote for Warren. Hillary and Trump no.

bbkingfish said...

Bernie would be the home run VP pick for Trump. A real game-changer.

Saint Croix said...

Oh, and Vulcans can lie. It's never been clear to me if the "no lying" thing is outright propaganda promulgated by the Vulcans to get an edge on other species, or if was some sort of misleading technicality. Vulcans are known dissemble, not volunteer information, not correct improper assumptions, provide technically true answers that are misleading, speak in code, etc. Straight up lying is very rare though.

I always associated Spock's less-than-honesty with his human side!

It's kind of touching, the idea of a super-smart race of people who are incapable of lying. Wow, you are so vulnerable!

walter said...

"A real game-changer."
Yeah..he would be a great rep at funerals.

walter said...

Bernie: You know..I've given this whole capitalism thing some thought. After all I was a struggling carpenter once. It was very integral to my..WHAT THE HELL AM I SAYING?

Quaestor said...

shiloh wrote: Beam me up Scotty as there's no intelligent life...

Congrats, shiloh. Your mom should tape that one to the fridge.

Jeez, with all that Saudi money in her coffers you'd think Hillary could hire a better quality troll than shiloh... but then again, she always was a cheapskate.

eric said...

Blogger Gahrie said...
I think Obama will offer her a deal: "choose me as your running mate, and we won't prosecute you." Then he'll have her assassinated and he'll be president again - I think that'll get around the 22nd Amendment.

Nope.

12th Amendment:

"no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States."


It only says that and means what you think it means if Obama doesn't get his judge on SCOTUS.

The plain meaning of the constitution won't mean any such thing anymore.

Lydia said...

If Hillary wants to keep the most devoted Bernie voters, she couldn't do better than Tom Perez, Secretary of Labor:

Perez has more credibility with committed progressives — who measure politicians by their battle scars — than almost anyone else around. The unions love him so much that they campaigned against his nomination to replace Eric Holder as attorney general in late 2014 because they didn’t want to lose him at the Labor Department.

He’s spent years working at the Justice Department on voting rights, civil rights and police misconduct, right in the center of issues that have exploded among African-Americans and progressive Democrats. He’s adored in the White House, where he’s been a main player in crafting the Obama second-term domestic agenda, and he’s got a knack for a fiery stump speech. Also, he’s Dominican. And unlike Housing and Urban Development Secretary Juli├ín Castro, the other Latino Cabinet secretary and more frequent subject of VP speculation (to whom nearly every conversation about Perez becomes at least an implicit comparison), Perez speaks fluent Spanish.

Sigivald said...

Elizabeth Warren as VP?

...

Well, fuck. Clinton may pick the one solitary thing that might make me consider voting for that copulating Oompa-Loompa as a protest.

Elizabeth Goddamn Warren.

Michael K said...

"she couldn't do better than Tom Perez, Secretary of Labor:"

Or worse, he is a rabid partisan who recommended DoL follow the Roman practice of destroying a town to warn the other towns of the consequences of defying the Emperor. Hillary would love that. He would be good impeachment insurance, though.

walter said...

Tom Perez ‏@LaborSec Jun 6
Today I visited remarkable Newburgh Heights, OH: first municipality to offer public employees 6 mos maternity/paternity leave. #LeadOnLeave

Richard Dolan said...

"I thought it couldn't be Warren because she's one of the Democratic Senators whose vacated seat would give a Republican governor the power to name the replacement. But I guess the need to win the presidency could supersede the desire to control the Senate."

I don't think that concern applies. If I remember correctly, when Ted Kennedy died, no one was appointed to his seat because the Mass Legislature had amended the law (when another Rep named Romney was governor) to remove the governor's power to appoint a successor. Instead, in Mass, state law requires a quick election to fill a vacant Senate seat. Of course, Scott Brown won but that kind of fluke event is unlikely to be repeated in Mass. So the 'control of the Senate' factor is really not in play.

poker1one said...

Shiloh wrote about a Trump VP pick:

"Here's where that Republican deep bench really helps, wait."

What makes you think Trump needs to pick a Republican? As an early Trump supporter and volunteer I'd be happy to have him name Ivanka. She's honest, smart, good looking, well spoken, and very loyal, which is more than you can say about any of the other Republicans you are thinking of for the office.

Our (my) goal for Trump is to destroy the GOP Democrat Uniparty and replace it with us, the US party. Trump 2016, Ivanka 2024.

Unknown said...

"Also, he’s Dominican. " (Tom Perez)


Like Judge Curiel is Mexican?

narciso said...

he's the son of one of trujillo's diplomats, but he was a major league zampolit at Justice,
hates cops, hates free speech, gun owners, et al.

John said...

Unknown:

Curiel was born a Mexican citizen, because of his parents. Has he renounced it or had it rescinded by the Mexican govy?

He was born in the USA which makes him an American citizen as well, of course

John henry

Fernandinande said...

Gahrie said...
Nope.
12th Amendment:
"no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President of the United States."


I dunno, I think it could still work: the 22nd doesn't say Obama's ineligible to be president, at least any more than he was before, or that a person can't be pres more than twice. It says that a person can't get elected president more than twice:

"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once."

Rhythm and Balls said...

Okay, let me do that for a second: Hillary just reveled in the history-makingness of her being the first woman to get a major-party nomination for the presidency. Why would she like that historical distinction to be immediately intruded upon by a second woman, sharing a second distinction, the first 2-woman major party ticket?

Lol. You don't get it. In Hillary's lizard brain, there's no problem that can't be solved with MOAR ESTROGEN!!!

Rhythm and Balls said...

Hillary-Warren - Goldman Sachs/Fraud-cahantas 21016

If Hillary and Warren were able to get gay/lesbian married and by some technology have a baby, I'm pretty sure the baby would look like this.

Fabi said...

A tip of the coonskin cap to M Jordan!

SukieTawdry said...

It won't be Warren--she brings nothing of value to the ticket. The xx/xx thing would be overkill and Mass already is a gimmee.

Saint Croix said...

funny one, R & B!

damikesc said...

What makes you think Trump needs to pick a Republican? As an early Trump supporter and volunteer I'd be happy to have him name Ivanka. She's honest, smart, good looking, well spoken, and very loyal, which is more than you can say about any of the other Republicans you are thinking of for the office.

I still doubt Trump is the nominee when it's all said and done.