A Reddit discussion, based on this morning's "Meet the Press," which I've seen and for which I am trying to locate the transcript. There's something else I want to blog and will blog soon, but this is an excellent topic. I don't cotton to calling Trump "Drumpf," but the basic question raised there is one I wanted to ask too. To acknowledge that Cuban is a creditable pick — which Hillary did — is to throw out one of your main arguments against Trump.
ADDED: Ah! Here's the transcript. Here's the part about Cuban:
CHUCK TODD: And I know you're not going to reveal how you're vetting for a running mate....At this where she's conceded that it's possible to "have absolute confidence" that a person with only a business career could shift to the presidency without any other political experience. The only question seems to be whether that person actually is successful. Todd picks up the cue and makes it about Donald Trump:
SEC. HILLARY CLINTON: Well, the most important thing is to pick someone who you have absolute confidence in can be president....
CHUCK TODD: Mark Cuban.
SEC. HILLARY CLINTON: Yes. Yes--
CHUCK TODD: I did a interview with him earlier. He expressed serious interest [in the VP position]. If you called him up and said, "I want to vet you to be my running mate," he'd listen. What do you say to that?
SEC. HILLARY CLINTON: I think we should look widely and broadly. It's not just people in elective office. It is successful businesspeople. I am very interested in that. And I appreciate his openness to it. I think that--
CHUCK TODD: You do plan on having people that maybe have never served in elected office, that you're going to vet--
SEC. HILLARY CLINTON: I am absolutely intending to look far and wide. And I think that is the best way to find somebody who can really capture what's needed in the country, and businesspeople have, especially successful businesspeople who are really successful as opposed to pretend successful, I think have a lot to offer.
CHUCK TODD: Pretend successful? You don't think--Now, just to be honest, you have to express admiration for something, don't you? But she needs to fight Donald Trump. That's her main objective, and yet she just made a huuuge concession. If she didn't notice she was doing that, she does now. How can she recover? She shifts to the detail of his tax returns:
SEC. HILLARY CLINTON: Yeah.
CHUCK TODD: --is there anything Donald Trump's done that you think should be praised?
SEC. HILLARY CLINTON: I think he needs to release his tax returns. The only two we have show that he hasn't paid a penny in taxes. And yet he goes around talking about "Make America great." You know? That means paying for our military. That means paying for our roads. That means paying for the V.A. That means a lot of things. And if you've got someone running for president who's afraid to release his tax returns, because it will expose the fact that he pays no federal income tax, I think that's a big problem.So many problems here: 1. She's utterly undercut if he has paid taxes, even at a fairly low rate. 2. She shifts to a subject that could be labeled It's Actually Great to Pay Taxes, 3. It's somewhat fussy detail about paperwork, and she's famous for withholding papers, 4. She couldn't say one thing nice about the man, which forces Todd, who's otherwise ultra supportive, to ask:
CHUCK TODD: No, my question was there's nothing about his background that is praiseworthy?So she waffles and hedges and comes right back to the tax returns, as if it all hinges on the tax returns. That gives Trump all the power. It's like a demonstration of Trump's favorite criticism: She doesn't know how to negotiate.
SEC. HILLARY CLINTON: We'll find out. Because we have to get below the hype. We have to find what the reality is. And--
CHUCK TODD: You don't feel like you know that?
SEC. HILLARY CLINTON: I don't think the country knows it.
CHUCK TODD: Do you?
SEC. HILLARY CLINTON: I-- I think that we're beginning to find out. But I don't think we know enough. And that's why he should release his tax returns.
CHUCK TODD: All right.She's demanding that Trump prove that he's a successful businessman. That's his favorite subject!
SEC. HILLARY CLINTON: Prove that he actually has the level of success he claims to have.
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""On Meet The Press Hillary said she'd consider Mark Cuban
Thought balloon! Trial balloon! All the politicians are going balloon crazy!
The name of this balloon is Avoiding the Bern
Hey, I think George Clooney is available! Why don't you go full celebrity, you jackal!
No no, not a jackal.
You are a clone of a jackal! Quit copying off of Donnie, you loser.
This could be the most shrewdest political move since Ted Cruz picked Carly Fiorina for his vice president.
Calling him "Drumpf" is proof that they possess a superior sense of humor. Just ask them. The irony is that it demonstrates an appalling lack of a sense of humor.
I think I saw this scene in Back To School, when Rodney Dangerfield is in the back of the class, and he's mocking the professor with real life examples. "You can't sell widgets! Tell that to the bank!" And all the apple-shiners turn around and start taking notes from Rodney Dangerfield.
And hey, I just noticed that Danger is (almost) his middle name!
Rodney Dangerfield, who has crashed into the (Republican) country club, has now invaded academia. He has gone from "I get no respect" to everybody copying his moves. Hillary is basically announcing that she cannot lead. She can only follow.
In the future everybody will be releasing balloons. "Maybe this! Maybe that! What do you think? I'm open to anything."
Anyone who would want to be Hillary's Vice President shows decision-making skills ill-equipped for the job.
Unless they are expecting a fatal vodka-induced fall to occur to her, in which case -- Hey! I'm President!'
I am Laslo.
Cuban would be the better President. So why would he include The Clinton Gang?
...throw out one of your main arguments against Trump.
Exactly. Trump will Judo this move just like the woman card move and the policy (failure) experience move. Almost every claim the woman makes cuts both ways.
They think the Drumpf thing is cute. It's precious really. Like Bushitler. There's plenty wrong with both but if ad hominem is all you have room for in your head I guess that's what you go with.
A bold move. There may be some put out for ideological reasons, but they should come around if it works. Power justifies a lot.
If you can't be like Trump, at least hire someone similar.
They could try to play everything as Trump vs Cuban and keep Clinton in the background.
This sounds to me like she is starting to run a little scared. I was convinced that she would pick Booker to try and get a good AA turn out; now she's talking about a white/jewish guy from Texas who never even went to law school?
"Hey look, I got a billionaire on the ticket, too! Nobody can buy me. I'm Hillary Clinton, independent woman running for president. I don't need anybody's money. I am so independent! Vote for me.
(Hey, Mark, can I borrow some money?)
The Drumpf thing is interesting.
I don't like the guy, but the need to make your dislike concrete by calling someone an ethnic version of their name is really, really bigoted.
To acknowledge that Cuban is a creditable pick — which Hillary did — is to throw out one of your main arguments against Trump.
This assumes that Hillary supporters are paying attention, which is no where in evidence. If they were paying attention, they'd be as horrified that HRC is the presumptive nominee as the old-guard Repubs are that Trump is theirs.
What drives Hillary's supporters is the foundational belief that they are the last guardians of political rationality in this whole sorry mess where the rest of the country & the political process has gone bat-shit insane. The simply can't see themselves as also involved in a broken political process. In normal times, a candidate facing a possible FBI indictment for gross security violations & in possession of an impossible to explain massive fortune wouldn't make it out of the starting gate. But, the rules don't apply to their girl Hillary. Which makes her much more like Trump than her supporters care to admit.
In a syllogism here's how Hillary support goes:
I'm a rational & moral person.
I support Hillary.
Therefore, it is rational & moral to support Hillary.
PS: Needless to say, HRC supporters don't have a lock on this sort of flawed logic.
Socialism sucks! I am joining the Billionaire Boys Club. Vote for me, you stupid children. Can't you see I'm a woman? And it's my turn, damn it!
When you put an earring on a pig, it is still a pig.
Hey, look, Republicans! I got Marko Cubano on my ticket. Vote for me!
The only question is whether Bernie will say yes when she asks.
"Help me, I'm surrounded by Communists! Help me, you brave men on the right! Help!"
Long, long ago, when I was in high school, kids thought that calling Richard Nixon "Tricky Dick" was the absolute height of cleverness. What a rebel you were -- willing to call the President of the United States a disrespectful name! With a dick joke in it! Oooh, burrrrrnnn!
So, yeah, let's show how edgy we are in 2016 by saying "Drumpf."
Isn't this the scene in "Blair Witch" where the girl quavers, "I'm soooo scared."?
Hey, maybe if I have a businessman on the ticket, that will fix EVERYTHING!!!!
Yeah, dat's da ticket!
"I"m just a gigolo, and everywhere I go. People know the part I'm playing."
"But I don't think we know enough. And that's why he should release his tax returns."
Because Hillary is all about financial transparency!
Todd should have asked Hillary about her son-in-law's father, Eddie Mezvinsky. He was a politician and an investment manager. Eddie ripped off his clients to pay for a 419 scam. He didn't get out of jail until 2008. He still owes millions in restitution.
A 419 'dirty money' scam! What a frikkin' dope! And people give his son, Marc Melvinsky, millions of dollars to invest. We have the stupidest elite class in world history.
This is a sign of desperation. I like Cuban, but he is just as unqualified to be president, according to Clinton, as Trump is. When you undermine your main claim to the office vs your opponent, it is a sign of panic.
Mark Cuban on gay marriage. "I don't care."
Mark Cuban on abortion. "That's something I'd rather not get into."
Mark Cuban on marijuana: "It's been a while."
At last! You're the blank slate we've been looking for!
"This sounds to me like she is starting to run a little scared."
I think so too. She is starting to take the blacks too much for granted. I assumed Booker would be it.
Bernie and Trump have her whipsawed so much that she is just paralyzed.
The problem for her in taking Bernie, and I doubt he wants it, is that he is even older than she is.
So many problems here: 1. She's utterly undercut if he has paid taxes, even at a fairly low rate. 2. She shifts to a subject that could be labeled It's Actually Great to Pay Taxes, 3. It's somewhat fussy detail about paperwork, and she's famous for withholding papers, 4. She couldn't say one thing nice about the man, which forces Todd, who's otherwise ultra supportive, to ask:
5) What if Mark Cuban is a bigger tax cheat than Trump turns out to be?
It is amazing how stupid and ignorant these political geniuses think we are about taxes.
If anyone is offended by my use of "Drumpf," I sincerely apologize. I meant no disrespect, and I believe German-American Lives Matter.
It's particularly egregious for these lefty hypocrites to revel in calling him something that's not his name and has never been his name. This, coming from the people who think that anyone who decides he's a woman must be considered and called a woman, that if Rachel Dolezal says she's black she must be called black, that everyone gets to choose his or her own pronoun at any time. But, nah ... "Drumpf."
Seriously, what a bunch of jerks.
Democrats are weird about taxes. They seem to believe that paying taxes is a moral obligation. It is not. It is a legal obligation.
Actually, they seem to believe that paying taxes is a moral obligation for other people, but not for themselves.
It is also amazing to see all these dot.com billionaires proclaiming themselves champions of the "little guy."
P.S.
I had to google Mark Cuban. I thoght he was a rocker or something like that.
Wait. This Mark Cuban?
Flailing.
Oh no! There's a rival for Mark Cuban!
Trump - Cuban
Clinton - Cuban
Maybe he can be on both tickets simultaneously!
Mark Cuban on the nuclear triad. "What?"
None of this has to do with principles or prudence or credentials. All those things are just rhetorical points or at best rationalizations for reasons that won't bear examination.
Especially self - examination. It's all about power and how best to get it. Anything can be made to fit.
What Clinton buys with Cuban is charisma and PR ability. That's worth much more in the real world of power as it exists now than any assumed credentials.
There is no nuclear triad.
I wonder how Obama answered any of those supposed professional questions.
There's the political games like 'GE doesn't pay income tax' and there's capitalizing on the numeric illiteracy of voters but this seems like this is another example of an uneducated leftie. Hillary seems to lack an understanding of the difference between what a tax return expresses and what a balance sheet is.
Okay, I owe Mark Cuban an apology. His blog is interesting.
The most important national domestic issue is overspending. The controlling expenses are entlements and interest on debt. We are headed in the direction of Venezuela. The issue is ignored by those delegated to handle it (Legislators) and by the People who elect them.
I have not previously heard of Mark Cuban. Per Wikipedia, he is a businessman and admirer of Ayn Rand. So far, so good. However his business seems mostly to be sports, entertainment, and financial hi-jinks, Not so good.
May have missed it in the transcript, but seems Mark Cuban was a name posited by Chuck Todd, not proposed by Hillary. Hillary said "we should look widely and broadly." Did she actually say, as per Reddit, "I will consider Mark Cuban"?
If I were a career politician (party functionary, superdelegate, etc.) I might take Hillary's remarks that as a career threat. But rationally, no. It will be understood as political B.S. - just another lie she needs to say to get elected.
That illustrates where we are in politics and society today. Politicians have too long promised everything to everybody. The credulous People have trusted Government with the power to provide it. The People are now coming to realize these were largely lies; it cannot be done, and they were dupes to have believe it.
I was just thinking about the problem Clinton is going to have in the general. Normally candidates tack to the center for the general. But she needs to win over Sanders supporters, who really don't like her. Dare she tack to the center and talk about how moderate she is?
Trump, on the other hand, can tack to the center just fine. Ted Cruz supporters and the like just need to hear that he _isn't crazy_; we know he's not as completely liberal as Clinton. If he sounds sane, and moderate, he should get pretty much all conservatives.
That is, the two groups he needs to convince aren't really in conflict, whereas Clinton's are.
Maybe only half an apology.
While attending the University of Pittsburgh he held a variety of jobs including a bartender, disco dancing instructor, and a party promoter.
And this...
In February 2004, Cuban announced that he would be working with ABC television to produce a reality television series, The Benefactor. The premise of the six-episode series involved 16 contestants trying to win $1 million by participating in various contests, with their performances being judged by Cuban.
Seriously? He copies Donald Trump and then you want the copy of Donald Trump?
Hillary is looking not only at Mark Cuban, but the entire Shark Tank cast, Ya got your womens, your son of an immigrant, your African American. She can include 'em all in cabinet positions, if Trump doesn't name them first.
Nobody's statements can be parsed into anything like a long-term understand of what they're going to do.
They're tap-dancing through the day, hoping not to set off a landmine.
Not a possible choice I think, because it undercuts her main argument: can you trust some rich guy with no experience?
Mark Cuban stuck in a thumb and pulled out a plum.
It's inspiring how he earned his wealth.
If you admire a whine like a titty baby blow hard like Trump, well then, Cuban is your guy. He whines all the damn time about how the refs or the NBA cheated the Dallas Mavericks.
He engaged in inopportune trash talk, during the last two playoff appearance of the Mavericks. Made him look very stupid!
Fails to attract and keep talent to support his geriatric superstar, Dirk.
Cuban for P or VP, uh, NO!
Mark Cuban stuck in a thumb and pulled out a plum.
Heh.
It's not a bad strategy Sanders voters might think he's actually Cuban.
Dems yesterday: You can't elect a businessman/reality TV personality with no government experience! Is he going to tell Putin "You're fired!"?
Dems: today: We should elect a businessman/realits TV personality with no government experience. He'll tell Putin "For those reasons, I'm out."
Mark Cuban is Donald Trump, if you don't inhale.
Mark Cuban is Trump's mini-me.
(Does Hillary think he's hispanic?)
Geez she really is bad when speaking extemporaneously! Obama ummms and errrs but manages to say vacuous, empty things that people pretend are meaningful, but in one on one interviews he mostly understands the message he'd like to get out (press conferences are a problem for him, but he compensates by refusing to have them). H. Clinton's just terrible even one on one.
The Left would LOVE to argue that the Repub. candidate is some undeserving white person who inherited wealth and is out of touch (you know, like they claimed about Mitt Romney)...but how can they even begin when they're putting up Hillary?! Her accomplishments, meager as they are, are almost entirely due to her husband!
Can she really attack Trump for not releasing a record? Has she given poor ol' Bernie copies of her speech transcripts yet?
Trump should say he'll follow her example and turn the records she wants over two years after a judge demands them--when they'll be miraculously found in the private residence of the White House after he's elected.
Trump should claim he wants to turn the records over but he's afraid they might contain top secret information and he actually cares about national security.
Trump should say he wanted to publish his tax records but they were kept on a private server and he accidentally deleted them--he thought they were just some yoga routines.
What an election! It's entirely possible these two weird candidates are the only two who could lose to each other...I can't imagine what it must be like in Hillary's inner circle right now to even contemplate the fact (evidenced by some recent polls) that there's a real possibility that he might beat her. Him! Her!!
I can't believe Cuban would work as second fiddle to Hillary.
If being profitable is the criteria for Trump, wouldn't running balanced budget government be the criteria for Hillary?
If tax returns are the issue, where he made money and how much taxes he paid (and how many jobs he created), then wouldn't Hillary's returns be the issue, where she made money and what she said in return for that money?
Hillary is going to lose. Big time.
One of the oddest things about the Democrat party is the despite being the party of "people of color" and "the poor and working class" they have no problem with the leadership being almost absurdly Jewish.
Gore's VP in 1980 is Jewish. Now people are suggesting Mark Cuban be Hillary's Jew. And every Democrat seems cool with yet another Jewish Lawyer being put on the SCOTUS (4 out of the last 5 Democrat SCOTUS Judges nominees have been Jews).
You'd think the POC's would say "where's the Hispanic"? "Where the Black"? "Where's the Asian"? "Where's the white working class"?
The Democrats are getting to be like a Chocolate Cake with White Icing on top.
I totally want to see the Sarah Palin - Mark Cuban debate. Vice presidential fireworks! You betcha.
Until he goes, "oops." That's what men from Texas say now. "Oops." And there is no forgiveness! Are we allowed a mistake on national television? Hell no.
new idea for Rocky 27:
Hillary Clinton training Mark Cuban for the Big Debate.
Duh duh duh da duh duh duh. "Flying high now! Flipping pages in books now!"
NBA owners have all the foreign-policy experience that governors of Alaska lack.
This strikes me as bizarre for several reasons:
1) Mark Cuban is Trump lite. Similar backgrounds, heading their own businesses, celebrity, reality TV show.
2) Last July there was talk about Trump picking Cuban as his VP. Cuban was saying all sorts of nice things about Trump. Also that he would consider being Trump's VP but probably would not accept. (July 30, 2015)
http://www.businessinsider.com/mark-cuban-donald-trump-vice-president-2015-7
3) Now he is saying that he would be Hilary's VP or Trump's VP but would not vote for Trump. Well, I thought I saw that an hour or two ago but now can't find it.
4) Cuban is accustomed to being in charge of things. The VP job is just the opposite. No executive responsibilities and no executive powers. He would be Ed McMahon to Trump's/Hilary's Johnny Carson. How well do you think that will work out with someone like Cuban.
Smells like desperation on the part of Hilary. I get the feeling, for reasons I can't put my finger on, that Trump let Cuban know a while back that he is not interested in him for VP and that Cuban's feelings are now hurt.
John Henry
Hey, Mark Cuban, if your mind goes blank in the Big Debate, and you know it's a possibility, we're men, you can't expect us to be verbal all the time, don't say, "oops."
You might try, "I don't care." The kids will respect that.
Just don't say, "oops." If Donald Trump has taught us anything, it's never admit you made a mistake. I think he learned that from Obama. Or the Clintons.
I mean, Nixon made a mistake. Look what happened to him!
In fact, my advice, if the words have left you, and the blank slate just can't remember all that shit that needs to be said, what was it, anyway, damn it...
you can always rock the disco moves.
It's in the muscle memory, baby.
no worries!
Re Hilary's comments on Trump's taxes:
Is she claiming that he somehow violated tax law or tax code? I did not see that. She seems to be saying that Trump should pay more taxes than he is legally required to.
Why? What would be the logic behind that?
What about Jeff Bezos of Amazon? He is worth about $60 billion yet has an income of about $1.6 million. I assume that he pays full taxes on that income.
Warren Buffet is similar. Net worth of $60-70 billion, pays taxes on about $40-50 million.
Why is Hilary not complaining about them. Oh, yeah. One owns WaPo, the other big contributor.
Buffett and Trump (I think) about the stupidity of the tax code and I think most people agree with them.
As it is now, we pay tax on income. No income, no tax. One of the reasons that Amazon operates at a small profit or loss and pays no dividends. B-H, Buffetts company is very profitable but it too pays no dividends for the govt to tax at the owner level.
I suspect that Trump does all he can to minimize his taxable income. I suspect that he does it legally.
John Henry
remember when Hilary said, in response to a question about her insurance putting small business out of business?
"I can't be responsible for every undercapitalized business"
She was implying that small businesses would have to shut their doors and she had no qualms about it.
Her statement was stupidity on stilts and showed a lack of even the most basic economic knowledge.
Insurance is an expense paid out of revenue/income. If the company does not have enough income to pay the insurance, it can draw down capital. It might do this in a bad year. It cannot do it year after year, though a really well capitalized company might be able to do it for a few years before running out of money.
Undercapitalized or extremely well capitalized, if a company has to use capital to pay expenses, it will eventually be bankrupt.
John Henry
Rcocean has a problem with the Jooooosss!?
PS Gore ran in 2000
"Joy-Ann Reid was next, and she said she didn't really know what "We Are Stronger Together" means or "how it unites voters." She paused to sneer at Trump's slogan: it evokes "nostalgia that a certain kind of white, particularly white voter, has for a bygone era.""
The Black commentators are idiots. Thats the only conclusion reachable. The Black commentators are a one note samba. The world is a complicated place. But no matter the issue. It's black vs white. Idiots
"The Black commentators are a one note samba. The world is a complicated place. But no matter the issue. It's black vs white. Idiots"
They really are a one note symphony. Samba makes us think of Sambo, a no-no.
Juan Williams has embarrassed himself on Fox. The only guy who seems to have his head on straight is Jason Riley who wrote "Please Stop Helping Us."
They really look stupid, especially that Mayor of Baltimore, Rawlings-Blake. I don;t trust hyphenated women anyway.
She hasn't been exactly grateful for the help she got from the GOP governor.
With all of these events fully documented on film, the initial response from the Mayor when Hogan reached out to her is rather staggering. She insisted that things were under control even as the city was going up in flames around her.
Hogan said that when he first called the mayor, she assured him that everything was under control. He recalled telling her that “it doesn’t look like everything’s under control. It looks like the city’s on fire.”
He said that the National Guard’s “overwhelming presence had a chilling effect on the rioters. They all went scurrying home and didn’t want to cause any more violence because we had an overwhelming display of force.”
Rawlings-Blake is on her way out, having chosen not to run for another term. In the interview, Hogan declared that her career is over, which sounds about right. But sadly, the price for her inaction and political calculations in a moment of crisis has already been paid and it’s the residents of the city’s poorest communities who picked up the tab.
I think her career as a pundit on ABC might be over, too.
michael k, i assume you know that one-note samba is a specific really-existing thing. also various one-note solos. naturally they all eventually use more than one note, but the tension is delicious.
funny 'sambo' concern troll tho
Mark Cuban? The guy who couldn't persuade De Andre Jordan to leave the Los Angeles Clippers to play for the Dallas Mavericks? This guy couldn't sell icicles in the Sahara Desert. Even so I think he's probably smart enough not to climb on board the SS Hillary campaign.
rcocean, heads up before you come to Bible study
the good book is filled with Jews!
The Black commentators are a one note samba.
Are you kidding? They invented jazz! Here is Randall Kennedy, writing a book on the word Nigger. Here is a nice lady who agrees with me that Santa is Satan. Here is Stanley Crouch, ripping into Alex Haley for his fraudulent book, Roots
Just the other day I had a discussion with a black woman who feels so sorry for Jeb Bush and thinks he was mistreated. Spare me your theories from the corn, Iowa Boy.
Sorry about the Iowa crack.
I'm hot-tempered, it's in my blood!
I will add, too, that the media likes putting racists on the air, since it causes controversy and gets people paying attention, which results in eyeballs and money. They think it's okay as long as the racists are hating on white people. Donald Trump flummoxed them by switching victim groups, denying he was a racist, and saying outrageous things all at the same time.
Cuban led the charge against patent trolls. I've always like that about him. He's an interesting guy in general. I'm not surprised he came up with the idea, HRC's staff never could have thought of someone like that.
If Trump, a businessman is not qualified to be President(her words)? How is Cuban, a businessman qualified to be Vice President?
"the good book is filled with Jews!"
No, its filled with Ancient Hebrews. The idea that Ruth Bader Ginsberg has anything in common with Moses or King David is ludicrous. And if you think she's a Jew like Jesus, I suggest you ask her about that at the next ACLU meeting and report her response.
oy vey
The only problem is that Cuban seems remarkably pro-Trump for a democrat VP pick:
“I have to honestly say he is probably the best thing to happen to politics in a long time,”
“I don’t care what his actual positions are, I don’t care if he says the wrong thing,” Cuban continues. “He says what’s on his mind. He gives honest answers rather than prepared answers. This is more important than anything any candidate has done in years.”
Source: http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/249456-mark-cuban-praises-trump-the-best-thing-to-happen-to-politics-in-a-long
rcocean,
Hebrew and Israelite and Jew are all synonymous.
Don't let Satan, the father of lies, cloud your mind with semantics.
Hillary cannot have a powerful VP, she might just face impeachment in office, and any replacement should be odious to Senators voting on impeachment. We'd have had two terms of President Al Gore if he wasn't so disliked in the Senate that Bill wasn't tossed out on his lying, cheating, corrupt ass.
Hillary needs a VP like Bernie, both to win the election and to keep herself on that narrow path to Hell in a Handbasket that is true-believer Socialism.
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