1. We talked about this case 2 days ago here. There were accusations of selective prosecution under the Florida statutory rape law, which require you to believe that an 18-year-old guy having sex with a 14-year-old girl would not be prosecuted.
2. The parents of the younger girl are upset about getting called homophobic (in the social media), and they defend themselves here. The video is worth watching.
3. Kaitlyn Hunt refuses the plea deal.
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77 comments:
Stupid twit. Of course, if she had half a wit and took the plea deal, there'd be no more limelight....for her or her idiot daddy.
Agenda dictates. Where do they get all the tee shirts?
They are a bi-racial couple. Like an oreo or Nestle's Quik added to milk.
tits and thanks.
A) Guys that age have much stronger drives to try to get in the sack, and if women had the same sex drive Europe would not have a population.
B) I advised, strongly, my 18 year old still living at home to stay away from underage girls.
C) It ought to be up to the parents to tell their underage kids whether sex is OK or not, and any age boundaries too. Not the state.
So if an 18 year old boy is caught with a 14 year old girl - bad.
But if the 18 year old is a female lesbian - and the 14 year old is a female lesbian - OK.
The parents asked the 18 year old to stay away numerous times.
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Gay mafia to the rescue. Good job, folks. Classy.
The real question is what did these young dykes do sexually?
What if it was just a little kissy kissy?
Or did the older one wear a dildo and plow the other one?
It's the degree of sex that matters to me.
But I am sure all the sordid details will cum out in the trial.
The 18 year old isn't bad looking for a carpet muncher.
thanks and tits.
I did it with older guys when I was 14 but I was more than willing.
I wonder if I could sue them now?
And everyone always told me I was 14 going on 21.
tits and thanks.
Things are never what they seem.
Needs the tag.
The parents have ably shifted the rhetoric. Too little too late?
Lawyer says "if this was a boy and a girl we don't believe there'd be the media attention."
Well no shit. Relatively attractive young lesbians sell advertising.
But I don't think I'd want to go where the lawyer is going. After all--an 18 year old boy wouldn't have been offered a pretty sweet deal.
"The parents have ably shifted the rhetoric. Too little too late?"
Based on the video, it seems that kids at school are putting a lot of pressure on their daughter to reject her parents.
Now, the parents did report her girlfriend in to the police. They did this, they say, as a last resort after their daughter had already run away (without telling them). That was not a good strategy for getting their daughter back, as it's alienated her further, so that she may feel that her entire social life depends on rejecting her parents.
So, do you think that was very savvy of the parents?
I don't think so, but the question is what can they do once the other girl has shifted the rhetoric?
The younger girl's parents made one drastic decision: to report behavior that is, under the law, a felony.
The accused girl got control of the narrative, with much support, making it about homophobia.
There's really no way back for the younger girl's parents. They can present their point of view and make it somewhat better, but they must regret going to the police.
Ever notice that some ideologies of love seem to be highly correlated with aggressiveness and viciousness towards other people.
And that these ideologies are sold as and are supposedly about loving other people.
As a Mormon, I'm all in favor of love between people, but I'm more in favor of the love between people that produces more love for more people.
Not the love that produces aggressiveness and viciousness towards other people.
And if you watch, you'll be able to distinguish between the two.
"they must regret going to the police."
I don't know, The circumstances are hard to put yourself in. You have a 14-year-old daughter, who must seem like a little girl to you, and who very recently surely was a very innocent little girl, getting implements shoved in her by an adult. I wouldn't second-guess.
(Haven't had a chance to see the video here.)
Shorter Titus: "It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that schwing."
Gotta laugh though - lesbian activist objectively propping up the patriarchal definition of sex.
" but they must regret going to the police."
When acting in defense of my child the court of public opinion is the least of my concerns.
Issues of eternity looming somewhat larger...
I do applaud the older dyke though for not looking like the "typical" dyke.
She's cute and was like a cheerleader. But I'm A Cheerleader-loved that movie. RuPaul was the ex-gay camp counselor-tour de force.
She gets props for being cute though.
tits and thanks.
There's really no way back for the younger girl's parents. They can present their point of view and make it somewhat better, but they must regret going to the police.
Not sure about that. The video showed the parents as pleasant, ordinary people and convinced me that Kaitlyn is a predator. Bet lots of folks have the same reaction.
This is what happens when you name your daughter, Kaitlyn.
I think it's terrible advice from her lawyer, who may have her own agenda.
I'm guessing the parents are more upset that their daughter is out of their control than that she's having sex with an adult. Did they try a restraining order first?
If the 14 year old were my daughter, I'd beat Kaitlyn's daddy to death.
go to trial huh? I wonder if the defense lawyer has an agenda that doesn't quite line up with her client's best interests.
I imagine that most parents only see 18 and 14 when reading up on this story.
I think Ms. Hunt may have overplayed her hand.
I don't see how the 14-yo is going to believe what others say about her parents, btw. Who at 14 doesn't have a pretty good idea of just what kind of person/people their parent(s) is/are?
She said, "If it were a situation with an 18 year old guy we would do the same thing."
The mother (or the reporter) knows how to use the subjunctive.
People (who haven't met my step-mother) don't think of women as predators, but they are.
Ann Althouse said...
The younger girl's parents made one drastic decision: to report behavior that is, under the law, a felony.
what of the parents had done nothing and a third party had come forward and pointed out that the parents were complicit in a felony sexual offense? child endangerment?
IMO, this is a statutory rape situation that would have resulted in punishment for a young guy, if he was stupid enough to continue after being warned off by the parents...
Althouse: "Now, the parents did report her girlfriend in to the police."
Mandatory reporting laws in Fla may have required it.
Of course, I expect the perp's advocates believe lesbians and gays are, or should be, exempt from laws relating to child molestation and child sexual abuse. After all, isn't that the next step in the gay wars.
Otherwise, what the hell are they doing?
Ann Althouse said...
The younger girl's parents made one drastic decision: to report behavior that is, under the law, a felony.
The accused girl got control of the narrative, with much support, making it about homophobia.
There's really no way back for the younger girl's parents. They can present their point of view and make it somewhat better, but they must regret going to the police.
Only if they don't love their kid.
But this is the way the Left gets its way on social issues.
Crucify anyone who objects.
If those people have the courage of their convictions and, more importantly, don't want their daughter turned into one of the vagina monologues, they're not going to give in.
Whose side are you on here?
"Reported missing, and found safe, the Smiths found out she was with Kate, who picked her up even though she had been told to stay away."
-- I wonder how it would go over if an older man convinced a young girl to run away from her parents.
what choice did the parents have? if it was a boy the father could beat the shit out of him and the police would not care. but since Hunt is female dad would be arrested.
Baron Zemo looks more correct about the gay mafia all the time.
Did the 14 year-old actually have lesbian tendencies or was she conned into believing she did by the 18 year-old?
Ann Althouse said...
The younger girl's parents made one drastic decision: to report behavior that is, under the law, a felony.
The accused girl got control of the narrative, with much support, making it about homophobia.
There's really no way back for the younger girl's parents. They can present their point of view and make it somewhat better, but they must regret going to the police.
It isn't even that. It appears that the parents went to the police when she turned 18, yet not before. Unless I missed something, that appears to be a high motivation. However, the discretion of the police notwithstanding would have been to say, "We aren't seeing an issue here, move along." But nope, once they become involved, for some reason the hammer has to drop. No discernment, no discretion, no thought. It's foolishness followed by the stern application of the letter of the law rather then spirit of it. No one wins here and for what? Now this girl has to face turning down the plea deal to see if she can rally support by a jury of her peers. Who is that going to be, twelve lesbian 18 year olds or some mixture of 20 and 30 somethings who may be swayed.
All the cops had to do was say to her, "Stay away or we will arrest you. One warning." did that happen? I didn't see it, so I might be wrong there.
X said...
Baron Zemo looks more correct about the gay mafia all the time.
He either got a good look at ACT UP or had some contact with the Red Cross when they were trying to safeguard the blood supply when AIDS became an issue in the 80s.
Anybody who did could see what was coming.
If the 18 year old's name was Mike instead of Kaitlyn we wouldn't even be having this conversation, because we'd be too busy making Mike Hunt jokes.
After seeing this video, the supporters of the perpetrator will now know they are racists for calling the younger girl's parents homophobes.
The cognitive dissonance will make their heads explode.
Anything women do is fine, especially when it's the magic gay elves.
Kill their babies, have sex with students, have sex with underage girls, blow the married President, whack off a penis, let diplomats die, whatever. Grrl power!
Feminism means never having to say you're sorry.
Shockingly it turns out all the excuses the left made to cover a statutory rape were wrong. The woman was 18 the entire time, the girl was 14. And the parents of the younger did warn the older to stay away before going to police.
We do clearly see the party of hate in action again though. What lovely people.
It's a bad plea deal designed to destroy her life. Home arrest doesn't allow education, employment, or any other aspect of life. The prosecutor wants much more that the 2 years Unsupervised probation he's likely to get in court. Of course, he can fuck up this young girls life. But if he didn't like doing that, he wouldn't BE a prosecutor.
Methadras,
It isn't even that. It appears that the parents went to the police when she turned 18, yet not before.
No shit, Sherlock.
When the older girl was still 17 what she was doing was not a crime.
The younger girl's parents went to police as soon as a crime had been committed.
mariner said...
The younger girl's parents went to police as soon as a crime had been committed.
The parents went to police after the woman escalated her behavior by picking up the girl and taking her to her house without the parents permission.
By letting the parents of the younger girl tell their side of the story, the TV reporters have placed themselves in the crosshairs of the "stop the hate" crowd.
House arrest most certainly allows for education and employment---both of those can be done via the internet, and school can even be done by mail ifshe's not allowed internet access. Besides, don't they use those electronic monitoring bracelets to let people under house arrest go to approved places?
Whatever. I'm out of sympathy. Parents gave her plenty of warning, it seems, and in return she put them through the hell of waking up to find their 14 year olds bed empty, not knowing where she was. Awful, and that's not even the half of it. She's an adult messing around with a child, someone who isn't even old enough for a learners permit or a job.
On Monday, she's 17 and everything that has been going on is fine. The next day she's 18 and the SAME conduct continues. As it has for centuries.
Note: girl #2's parents don't go to the police when it's 2 juveniles. No, they wait until they can really screw up girl #1's life. Then they strike.
When adulthood was 21, the same stuff happened but the consequences were less serious. Did Society really want to cover everything? Or are the unintended consequences as Draconian as Victorian England? Is this what we really want?
As Act Up used to say in the 1980's, can you really overrule nature? No. And teying just leads to destroyed lives.
""This is a situation of of two teenagers who happen to be of the same sex involved in a relationship. If this case involved a boy and a girl we don't believe it would get the media attention to this case," Graves said.""
Nor would Graves be anyway near as willing to take the case. This is how careers are made.
The girls are just convenient props for lawyers and media types.
anywhere not anyway
Come on. Imagine an 18 year old dude boffing your fourteen year old baby girl. I can't imagine many parents being happy with that.
And if they are, that family has other, more serious problems.
Leave it up to the parents, IMO.
The accused girl got control of the narrative, with much support, making it about homophobia.
Really?
I think the accused girl looks pretty pathetic.
Oh, you're talking about those already sympathetic.
Never mind.
If it was an 18 year old boy with a 14(!!!) year old girl the guy would be in jail right now.
Titus wanted details on what they did. From Stacy McCain's blog:
in the words of a Sheriff’s Department detective, the two teens “put their fingers inside of each other’s vaginas, put their mouths on each other’s vaginas, and both of them used a vibrator on each other to insert it in each other’s vaginas.”
As for the age, McCain has a link to the arrest warrant. Read it:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/142642135/Kaitlyn-Hunt-Redacted-Affidavit-Redacted
Kaitlyn turned 18 in August 2012. They started "dating" in November 2012 When Kaitlyn was already 18
They "began a sexual relationship before Christmas 2012" When Kaitlyn was already 18
So the bit about the parents waiting to go to the police is an out and out lie. There was never any sexual relationship before Kaitlyn was 18.
But they are gay so it is all OK. It is not like it was statutory "rape-rape"
Except that it was exactly statutory "rape-rape"
With penetration.
With fingers
With dildo
By both to both.
Kaitlyn deserves jail time. Maybe not 15 years though certainly more than 90 days or so.
John Henry
Yeah, go ahead and call me a homophobe if you want. Some people will find it hard to do anything else.
You can also call me the father of a daughter and the grandpa of a granddaughter who would be extremely pissed off if this happened to either of them.
John Henry
So Titus are you gay or an untreated sexual abuse survivor or both?
Trey
Decent people would be against baby rape.
Just sayn'
You have to be blind or dishonest to not see where we are going!
Neither of these girls are real dykes. They are just girls who are turned off by most guys and have not found suitable mates. Real dykes are crude, nasty, and worst than any men you have ever been around. They have no shame.
I imagine that most parents only see 18 and 14 when reading up on this story.
I suspect most jurors will.
When I argue in favor of gay marriage, I say, Treat these people just as you would a straight couple in a similar situation. They really feel about each other the way you feel about your own spouse. Same thing here: If an 18 year old man debauched your 14 year old (girl) child, and wouldn't desist, what would you do? Maybe, as Ann suggests, you think, It's better to let him keep screwing her, rather than screw up the parent-child relationship. But to me, calling the cops is a reasonable course of action.
The younger girl's parents are experiencing the empathy, tolerance, and diversity of the left. Which resembles a pack of jackals.
I'm dismayed that the elder Hunts don't feel any shame for their daughter's behavior. They really want to defend this? A responsible parent would tell her to find someone older, or to wait.
If the 18 year old stuffed shit in the other girl's cooch she should go to jail.
If it was just a little petting and kissing I would say not but cunt penetration is where I draw the line. That's rape.
tits and thanks.
Piggy sounds depressed and suicidal.
I hope the Pigo will make it through these treacherous times.
God Speed Pig.
tits and thanks.
Things I learned from this thread:
1. Some people don't read before they post.
2. Some people don't care about the facts.
@ Geoff
Agreed. Parents of heterosexual males are always concerned with this.
I never had an interest in older boys. I figured I could be easily used. Never dated a grade older then myself.
For the alleged felon, sorry it wasn't worth it. You were warned and you ignored it. She should of found someone her own age.
The 14 year old assisted the police on a pretext call.
Wait until she testifies as a witness for the prosecution.
" I did it with older guys when I was 14 but I was more than willing.
I wonder if I could sue them now?
And everyone always told me I was 14 going on 21. tits and thanks." -Titus
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They call that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_grooming>grooming.</a>
First, as I said at the beginning of this thread, the 18 year old has been advised against her best interest.
She was in essence offered the equivalent of what Michigan has in the "Holmes Youthful Trainee Act" [MCL Section 762.11] that provides a "second chance, following a probationary period. It applies to youths ages 17 through 20 at the time of the crime.
Nothing to be gained at trial, even if acquitted, will leave less of a record for future impediment. Her lawyer and her family are serving their personal agendas, not the young woman's welfare.
Second...just in my opinion, but any time an 18 year old is seeking intimate social & sexual contact with a 14 year old it is because said 18 year old cannot establish normal relations with their own age peers, plus or minus a year. They find a target and take advantage. Period.
@Airdog
Reminds of college, freshman year sometime someone may bring a friend to visit who was a Senior in high school, which is fine. By junior year in college, this was a no-no.
I've been to social gatherings on campus/off-campus and someone brings minors to the party. It just clears the party out completely, no one wanted to be near that.
At eighteen, you shouldn't be checking out fourteen-year-olds, you should be focused on your future.
I was reserving judgement on this case until more information came out. The affidavit linked to by John throws gives enough information more me to conclude that Kaitlyn Hunt is not only guilty of statutory rape, but has psychological problems.
Note that the first sexual encounter happened in a bathroom at the school. Another interesting thing is that a phone call was set up and the 14 year old asked Kaitlyn if the sex meant anything. To me, this is very telling and indicates that the relationship was more of an adult taking advantage of a confused, rebellious, underage teenager.
Kaitlyn isn't the innocent person she proclaims herself to be. She's a self-entitled "princess" who gets her way. I'll wager that she's going to end up looking like yet another crazy woman in court and wouldn't be surprised that this behavior isn't an isolated incident (which is why the current victim asked if it was love.)
As for the parents; they have a rebellious 14-year-old who is being encouraged to be even more rebellious by an 18-year-old. They ASKED Kaitlyn to stop and when Kaitlyn refused, they resorted to the police. The attack on them is an attack on the rights of parents.
Some in the lesbian community are now acting like NAMBLA and are doing a great disservice to their cause.
(If the 18-year-old were male, this wouldn't be a public case.)
Kaitlin Hunt refuses the plea deal.
That deal would have spared a trial and given her two years house arrest, and one year probation. There would be no sex offender label. But she would have had a felony conviction on her record.
If Hunt loses at trial, she faces up to 15-years behind bars.
The prosecutor offered such a sweet deal because this isn't rape rape.
The victim doesn't think she's a victim at all, and presumably will so testify at trial.
But statutory rape is still statutory rape. Hello, it's still a crime!
Defense attorney Julia Graves advised her client to go to trial, rather than accepting a plea deal by the state. A decision she says is the best one.
That is serious malpractice. You are counting on the jury nullifying the law? Are you insane? Your client did exactly what she is charged with doing!
Cynical thought: the attorney doesn't mind a conviction of her client, because that will make her a martyr for the cause.
And while an 18-year-old is a legal adult, you are still very young and might not appreciate how people in a position of authority can be screwing with you. Which is ironic since you screwed with a child.
This girl is highly likely to be convicted for statutory rape, and sentenced to prison. And the attorney will be "outraged."
Or, ditto Aridog.
The 14 year old assisted the police on a pretext call.
Wait until she testifies as a witness for the prosecution.
Holy fuck, this attorney should be disbarred.
I wonder if it is the perp's father who is pushing this against the advice of the attorney. Or maybe the attorney has an agenda and is trying to set the kid up as some mistreated patron saint of sexual abusers.
Trey
"Homophobia" was a term invented to improve the self-esteem of men and women who choose to engage in homosexual behavior. It followed from the self-esteem movement, which attempted to normalize dysfunctional behaviors.
"Homophobia" is a subset of a larger class of dislikes or fears of efforts to normalize dysfunctional behaviors. This class includes normalization or promotion of promiscuity or irresponsible behaviors, from which, among other things, arose a need and desire to normalize abortion.
It is the same effort which normalized involuntary exploitation (or "redistributive change"); retributive change (e.g. "social justice", institutional discrimination, selective rule of law); premeditated murder (i.e. abortion).
It is the class of behaviors and causes which are exploited be a select minority (e.g. Democrats) to advance their political, economic, and social standing.
Are you actually arguing that homophobia is entirely fictitious? Are you also denying the homosexual bigotry doesn't exist? The unfortunate reality is that if Ann posts someone about homosexuals, the bigots come out of the woodwork. Oh, they couch their hatred in "nice" terms, but it's still bigotry, pure and simple.
Joe:
A phobia is a dislike or fear of something. There is no fear of homosexual behavior, other than efforts to normalize a dysfunctional behavior. There is no dislike of the behavior, other than efforts to normalize a dysfunctional behavior. There is no "homophobia".
Consenting adults can engage in a homosexual relationship, and other dysfunctional but tolerable behaviors. The "phobia" arises with an effort to normalize a dysfunctional behavior. A behavior which violates a society's and humanity's fitness.
Bigotry is sanctimonious hypocrisy. There is no bigotry when people reject the normalization of dysfunctional behaviors. There is no bigotry when they identify the dysfunctional nature of a behavior.
Actually, the bigots are homosexual activists, and their heterosexual patrons, who selectively violate civil and human rights, as well as evolutionary principles.
Why don't they support normalization of all dysfunctional behaviors equally?
With their rejection of evolutionary principles, there can be no legitimate reason to restrict special treatment to couples or couplets. Why don't they propose that all unions be corporate?
Why do they practice selective discrimination without cause or reason? That is the definition of bigotry.
I suggest that certain classes of dysfunctional behaviors can be tolerated. That couplets may enjoy certain legal benefits and protections, but their behavior does not merit a special status because it has no redeeming value to either society or humanity. Dysfunctional behaviors, including homosexual behavior, cannot be normalized without violating the terms and circumstances of reality.
Joe:
You should avoid reliance on emotional appeals as your principal argument. While they evoke a visceral response, which is usually but not universally sympathetic, they are also more likely to cause early saturation. This will not favor your position as it favors a rote response to your argument, which will likely be a progressive rejection of the emotional appeal.
seeing as the victim in this case is seemingly an african-american, would the aclu and the various civil rights groups be on the sherriffs case if he hadnt charged hunt?
tola'at sfarim said...
Seeing as the victim in this case is seemingly an African-American, would the ACLU and the various civil rights groups be on the sheriff's case if he hadn't charged hunt?
Actually, no. Long ago Richard Pryor had a comedy sketch about the Vietnamese being America's "new ni**ers" ....well today, the Vietnamese are replaced by the LBGT community.
Pssst: What is it with the ee cummings bit?
n.n. @ 5/25/13, 11:32 PM ... perfectly said. Thanks.
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