May 22, 2013

"Obama needs to stop lecturing predominantly black audiences, some supporters say."

Writes Vanessa Williams in The Washington Post.
Obama has been making this point — and stirring controversy — since he was a candidate in 2008. Jesse Jackson Sr. was incensed by what he saw as Obama’s “talking down to black people,” yet it was Jackson who was criticized. Many in the black community believed that Obama’s chastisements were necessary to make himself politically palatable to white voters.

The president’s most recent such remarks — there were only a few Sunday, but they were widely reported — triggered a debate on blogs and social media that, in part, asked why Obama continued his lecturing.
To be fair, Jackson was criticized because he added — with a brusque cutting gesture — "I want to cut his nuts out." The metaphor of brutal violence made it easy to discount Jackson's message at the time.

89 comments:

edutcher said...

Choom talks down to black people because he's a country club white guy.

And a racist.

edutcher said...

And another Lefty who can't see black people as anything but his political chattel.

somefeller said...

Classic example of damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Palladian said...

How can they tell that he's talking down to black people? He talks down to everyone.

SteveR said...

Well he has very little in common with most black Americans. As with most Americans.

Amartel said...

Ta-Nahyphen had the same reaction.
But typical graduation speeches are always filled with boring lecturey admonitions to grads. Some people need to realize that maybe it's not the color of their skin but its super-fine thinness.

I criticized Obama on this speech because it seemed to me like he was telling the grads to lay off the excuses and whining and help HIM (while still holding tight to grievances). Typical self-centered Obama.

Amartel said...

Ha. Palladian FTW.

Titus said...

Vanessa Williams dethroned Miss America?

tits and thanks.

Ern said...

Seems not to be the former Miss America. This looks to be the one who writes for the WP.

http://live.washingtonpost.com/'for-colored-girls'-reaction.html#permalink-655006-399.047

Sam L. said...

well, it's mainly that he takes no responsibility for anything, himself.

Or, physician, heal thyself.

edutcher said...

somefeller said...

Classic example of damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

At least we agree, he should be damned at every opportunity.

Mark O said...

The use of the word "out" instead of "off" tells me he hasn't had much experience with the topic.

Sam L. said...

Or, you know, it could be TOTUS just refuses to put any other speech up.

Lyle said...

He's not even talking down to them that much. There's all kind of ugly in some black communities, yet Obama says jack all about it.

Methadras said...

It's the white in him that talks down to the lesser blacks he sees as his racial cushion. The black part of him is just there for show to be used and played to racial effect. He is thereby rendered untouchable because of it. Besides, why would he give up going to favorable audiences when they will trip over their own dicks to receive their daily instructions from him anyway. Adulation has a price and blacks sure know how to pay it. mmmhmmm...

rhhardin said...

Blacks mostly believe that the grudge is the way to go, so they're a fit audience for Obama.

Crunchy Frog said...

Jesse Jackson owes his lavish lifestyle to being a self-appointed spokeswhore for black victimhood. Anything that gets in the way of that (such as black people pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps) must be crushed underfoot.

Dante said...

I'm fine with the clear assessment of what's wrong with Black America. I don't care much for the gratuitous excuses "Oh, a Black has to work twice as hard," when he didn't.

AllenS said...

This is a strange subject. Can you imagine anyone, anyone, saying the same thing about a white person talking down to white people.

What is it with blacks? Why do they feel this need to have a Congressional Black Caucus? Why this need for community organizers, or for "black spokesmen"? There is a black racism that will never go away.

Methadras said...

Dante said...

I'm fine with the clear assessment of what's wrong with Black America. I don't care much for the gratuitous excuses "Oh, a Black has to work twice as hard," when he didn't.


Let's assume for the moment that a black has to work twice as hard and success is derived from that extra labor. Chances are he will not be a democrat. Further chances are, is that he will be labeled a sell-out and an uncle tom and face the derision of that community and a president that they yearn for success through their fruits of extra labor and upon that achievement are vilified for it. Blacks are on the wrong side. They know it, but their grafted servitude, aka neo-democrat voting bloc slavery doesn't permit them to buck the system without paying a massive toll.

Methadras said...

AllenS said...

This is a strange subject. Can you imagine anyone, anyone, saying the same thing about a white person talking down to white people.

What is it with blacks? Why do they feel this need to have a Congressional Black Caucus? Why this need for community organizers, or for "black spokesmen"? There is a black racism that will never go away.


Black already believe that there is a congressional white caucus. Hence why they needed one of their own. The irony is astounding.

Iconochasm said...

@CrunchyFrog.

Exactly right. I think the most unfortunate fact of the Civil Rights movement may have been that so many of it's leaders were clergy. They're already trained to make a living cashing in on guilt and fear.

Now I want to read up on MLK and the 60's era Jesse Jackson.

Titus said...

Cut His Nuts Off-that is hilarious.

tits and thanks.

somefeller said...

It's always interesting to read threads like this one. The simmering racial resentment that lies just under the surface with a certain class of white conservatives bubbles up in the most predictable manner. That's not to say there aren't similar resentments among other types of people, but this kind appears like clockwork when minorities and Obama are mentioned.

Anyway, like I said, Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, among the permanently aggrieved of whatever type.

CEO-MMP said...

somefeller sez:
"blah blah blah conservatives racist blah blah"



Yeah. The point of the story is that black people are actually saying Obama should stop talking down to black people, and somehow it's the fault of conservatives.

Fuck you.

Titus said...

Vanessa Williams, former Miss America, was dethroned, because there were pics of her eating pussy or maybe just bumping beavers and touching another woman's tits or something like that.

How unfair.

tits and thanks.

Joe Schmoe said...

I think Obama is a jackass and piss-poor president, but I do agree with him on this. I don't think he's talking down when he admonishes them about their out-of-wedlock single mother problems, crime problems, education problems, and high unemployment. If you don't think those are big problems in the black community, then you must be anti-science. The stats are all there, and if you don't believe them, go visit some black neighborhoods in urban areas.

I'm glad he's talking like this. Bill Cosby got pilloried by blacks for saying the same things.

Now, do I think that Obama really believes what he's saying? The same guy who went to the Church of God Damn AmeriKKKa? Hmmm.....

somefeller said...

The people cited in the article are among the permanently aggrieved, CEO. As are their racially obsessed brethren in certain precincts (not all, to be fair) of the Right. One would think they'd get along better with one another!

And I love you too.

Dante said...

Methadras:

I wasn't referring to Blacks, I was referring to Obama. I'm not certain of the grammar rules for the sentence, though.
Love your note:

It's the white in him that talks down to the lesser blacks he sees as his racial cushion. The black part of him is just there for show to be used and played to racial effect. He is thereby rendered untouchable because of it.

That's hysterical.

ricpic said...

Vanessa Williams is such a common black name that if Bob Barker had ever shouted "Come on down, Vanessa Williams!" at the Price Is Right the floorboards would've given way under the combined weight of the thirty Vanessa Williams in the audience simultaneously charging the stage.

Rusty said...

somefeller said...
It's always interesting to read threads like this one. The simmering racial resentment that lies just under the surface with a certain class of white conservatives bubbles up in the most predictable manner. That's not to say there aren't similar resentments among other types of people, but this kind appears like clockwork when minorities and Obama are mentioned.

Anyway, like I said, Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, among the permanently aggrieved of whatever type.

That's one hell of a cartoon you have running there in your head.

Paco Wové said...

The most interesting bit of the linked article:

Leola Johnson, an associate professor and chair of the Media and Cultural Studies Department at Macalester College in St. Paul, Minn., said the Obamas’ speeches “are actually not aimed at black people.”

“They’re actually for white people, liberals especially,” she said. Liberal bloggers were brimming with praise for Obama after the Morehouse speech. “It’s the legacy of Daniel Patrick Moynihan and that whole group of white liberals who want to say it’s not just about structural problems that black people aren’t doing well, it’s about their own values.”

Saint Croix said...

I think the most unfortunate fact of the Civil Rights movement may have been that so many of it's leaders were clergy.

What?!? Now that's an insane thing to say. Have you never heard any of Martin Luther King's speeches? It was entirely a spiritual appeal, rooted in Christianity. That's what made it so powerful.

"We shall match your capacity to inflict suffering by our capacity to endure suffering. We will meet your physical force with soul force. Do to us what you will and we will still love you.... But be assured that we'll wear you down by our capacity to suffer, and one day we will win our freedom. We will not only win freedom for ourselves; we will appeal to your heart and conscience that we will win you in the process, and our victory will be a double victory."

It's mind-boggling to try to wish King into some sort of secular humanist. As if that would be an improvement!

They're already trained to make a living cashing in on guilt and fear.

Yeah yeah, cause MLK was all about guilt and fear.

Saint Croix said...

why Obama continued his lecturing

I think his ultimate goal is to unite us all in annoyance.

Broomhandle said...

Black is a mask Bark puts on when it's politically expedient. In his mind he's as white as any middle-class white liberal. And racist in the same condescending, Victorian, take-up- the-white-man's-burden kind of way.

Big Mike said...

If Jesse had cut Obama's nuts off, Michelle would have ripped his gonads off and rammed them so far up has butt he'd be coughing them up a day later.

And Palladian (6:54) is right, by the way.

Methadras said...

Saint Croix said...

I think the most unfortunate fact of the Civil Rights movement may have been that so many of it's leaders were clergy.

What?!? Now that's an insane thing to say. Have you never heard any of Martin Luther King's speeches? It was entirely a spiritual appeal, rooted in Christianity. That's what made it so powerful.

"We shall match your capacity to inflict suffering by our capacity to endure suffering. We will meet your physical force with soul force. Do to us what you will and we will still love you.... But be assured that we'll wear you down by our capacity to suffer, and one day we will win our freedom. We will not only win freedom for ourselves; we will appeal to your heart and conscience that we will win you in the process, and our victory will be a double victory."

It's mind-boggling to try to wish King into some sort of secular humanist. As if that would be an improvement!

They're already trained to make a living cashing in on guilt and fear.

Yeah yeah, cause MLK was all about guilt and fear.


MLK was not a secular humanist in any regard. He was however a liberation theologist and was an essential component in the foundation of black liberation theology. The strain of Marxist thought in catholic. I attribute MLK as a Marxist that used Christianity to promote it.

Methadras said...

Paco Wové said...

“It’s the legacy of Daniel Patrick Moynihan and that whole group of white liberals who want to say it’s not just about structural problems that black people aren’t doing well, it’s about their own values.”


The structural problems within the black community that democrats created to begin with. This comedy never gets old.

Tim said...

edutcher said...

"And another Lefty who can't see black people as anything but his political chattel."

somefeller said...

"Classic example of damned if he does, damned if he doesn't."


Palladian said...

"How can they tell that he's talking down to black people? He talks down to everyone."

SteveR said...

"Well he has very little in common with most black Americans. As with most Americans."

Wow.

That's blog commenting board quadfecta: four distinct personalities each say something exactly right one right after the other without saying the same thing.

Good job guys.

Seriously.

Iconochasm said...

somefeller said...
The people cited in the article are among the permanently aggrieved, CEO. As are their racially obsessed brethren in certain precincts (not all, to be fair) of the Right. One would think they'd get along better with one another!


Ever seen the first episode of The Boondocks? "To the old school."

doustoi said...

Stop telling us to act like productive citizens. Just give us jobs and entitlements.

edutcher said...

somefeller said...

It's always interesting to read threads like this one. The simmering racial resentment that lies just under the surface with a certain class of white conservatives bubbles up in the most predictable manner. That's not to say there aren't similar resentments among other types of people, but this kind appears like clockwork when minorities and Obama are mentioned.

funny, most of the resentment here comes from the Left, including white guys who make a show out of hating white guys who ask pertinent questions about black attitudes.

Like, "Would this happen if a white guy said it?", and wondering why we need a caste system with all the Lefty constituencies as protected entities.

But this is all such low-grade trollery, I'm surprised they called some phony folksy out of Mom's basement.

Much more like Jay Retread or Ritmo.

Unless some phony folksy got the scripts mixed up again.

Ah, well, things are looking so bad for the Lefties desperation time hit last Friday.

aurictech said...

"Obama needs to stop lecturing."

FTFH. ;-)

Iconochasm said...

Saint Croix said...

What?!? Now that's an insane thing to say. Have you never heard any of Martin Luther King's speeches?

That last line I wrote was an allusion to a fact I just realized while typing that comment; I have not (at least, no more than fragments from a decade or more ago in school). My exact thought was "I wonder if that would have been the case if MLK had survived to continue to lead the movement. But then, I've heard that Jesse Jackson was a much more admirable person in 1965, too. I should probably read up on both of them."

Tim said...

Racism.

Assume its a problem.

How is government supposed to fix it?

Especially with its current policies?

What examples can an ardent, "let's harness government to fix it" anti-racism advocate point to as successful government policies that could not be explained equally as well, if not better, by the simple passage of time?

And, by "fix it," I mean that which lies in peoples' hearts and minds.

David said...

Why does she think he was talking down? He was trusting the audience to take a somewhat taboo notion seriously. Sounds to me like he was showing them respect.

Saint Croix said...

I attribute MLK as a Marxist that used Christianity to promote it.

I am more inclined to believe that Hoover wore a dress.

David said...

Is it possible to have a post about Obama without everyone dumping on him in the same old way? Find something original to dump on him for, or respond to the topic. This blog post tells something interesting about black America. Maybe a response to that would be more interesting than a rote slam of Obama?

Titus said...

Mercedes, Star, Tenishwya, Towanda.

What is up with those black names?

tits and thanks.

Richard Dolan said...

Separating the message from the messenger is often impossible. In that vein, people who can't stand O-man will focus on his motives (real or imagined) and ignore what he says. And with O, even more than most politicos, it pays to ignore what he says and just watch what he does.

So what does he do about the social pathologies he was warning against in his speech at Morehouse? He urged the audience to act responsibly and make something of their lives. What he does is offer endless doses of the nanny state. It's hard to exercise personal responsibility with nanny hovering so closely.

Richard Dolan said...

Separating the message from the messenger is often impossible. In that vein, people who can't stand O-man will focus on his motives (real or imagined) and ignore what he says. And with O, even more than most politicos, it pays to ignore what he says and just watch what he does.

So what does he do about the social pathologies he was warning against in his speech at Morehouse? He urged the audience to act responsibly and make something of their lives. What he does is offer endless doses of the nanny state. It's hard to exercise personal responsibility with nanny hovering so closely.

Richard Dolan said...

Separating the message from the messenger is often impossible. In that vein, people who can't stand O-man will focus on his motives (real or imagined) and ignore what he says. And with O, even more than most politicos, it pays to ignore what he says and just watch what he does.

So what does he do about the social pathologies he was warning against in his speech at Morehouse? He urged the audience to act responsibly and make something of their lives. What he does is offer endless doses of the nanny state. It's hard to exercise personal responsibility with nanny hovering so closely.

Scott M said...

I believe my exact words the day after were, "the halls of the NAACP and the CBC will echo with 'how-dare-he'".

somefeller said...

Edutcher mumbles:funny, most of the resentment here comes from the Left, including white guys who make a show out of hating white guys who ask pertinent questions about black attitudes.

Interestingly, the article was about Obama asking such pertinent questions. Funny how that works.

Like, "Would this happen if a white guy said it?"

If a white guy said it, you probably wouldn't have started in with a dumb comment about that person being a country club white guy who was being condescending. Actually, I take that back. You might have said that, given that you are the type of person who would feel condescended to by a country club white guy, and not without reason. The fellowship of the permanently aggrieved and all that.

Saint Croix said...

A pastor (and Morehouse grad) got himself kicked out of the graduation ceremonies when he wrote this editorial.

Methadras said...

Titus said...

Mercedes, Star, Tenishwya, Towanda.

What is up with those black names?

tits and thanks.


SBPL = Shit Black People Like

AprilApple said...

Obama has done more to set race relations back than any modern leader.
Obama is a divider.

Michael K said...

"What is it with blacks? Why do they feel this need to have a Congressional Black Caucus? Why this need for community organizers, or for "black spokesmen"? There is a black racism that will never go away."

What's interesting is that this applies only to American blacks. Those from Africa or the West Indies, seem to do fine in our economy and don't have this victim complex.

Saint Croix said...

The people cited in the article are among the permanently aggrieved

Yes, that's exactly right. And they're not just permanently aggrieved; they are professionally aggrieved. It's their job to be upset about race and to upset people about race. It's how they make their money.

I remember when Obama was elected, there were all these people who saw it as their job to assure us that racism was alive and well. America is still racist! Just because you elected a black President, doesn't mean that racism has gone away.

The vibe I got was panic.

What will we do without racism?! Our bread and butter, gone!

Saint Croix said...

Everything you need to know about race, racism, and racial politics is in this book.

edutcher said...

some phony folksy blathers back something about Choom "asking such pertinent questions" when what Choom really is doing is very obviously throwing out the standard boilerplate trying to sound as if he cares about the plight of black people in this country when all he ever does is worsen it. This from Mr Reading Comprehension.

The problem is it's so clear to everyone that some phony folksy makes a fool of himself trying to convince the assembled throng it's all in earnest

He also doesn't want to talk about the fact what he (folksy) says is the usual low-grade drivel about how nobody cares about black people but the Lefties.

somefeller said...

If a white guy said it, you probably wouldn't have started in with a dumb comment about that person being a country club white guy who was being condescending.

But that's what your Messiah is, sweetie; that's how his dear old grandmother he threw under the bus raised him, in a life of luxury and privilege. He lives just like a white guy, dresses like a white guy, plays like a white guy.

He's no more black than you are.

And I have no problem with country club white guys.

I am one. Apparently, some phony folksy is the one who feels inferior.

You get that way living in Mom's basement.

somefeller said...

Edutcher boasts:And I have no problem with country club white guys. I am one.

I doubt that. Most country club types don't express themselves with the level of nose pressed up against the window resentment as you do. You're pretty obviously branded on the tongue, or rather, the pixel. Plus, how can you pay for club dues, given that you are unemployed and unemployable?

Saint Croix says, intelligently:Yes, that's exactly right. And they're not just permanently aggrieved; they are professionally aggrieved. It's their job to be upset about race and to upset people about race. It's how they make their money.

Sad but true. Hucksters exist among all races and ideologies and one can make a good buck selling grievance.

I Callahan said...

It's always interesting to read threads like this one. The simmering racial resentment that lies just under the surface with a certain class of white conservatives bubbles up in the most predictable manner.

See, this is the most absolutely chicken-shit argument that one can make regarding this subject. It can only exist for two reasons: 1, the person making it wants everyone to shut up, or 2, the person making it is too afraid the other person is right.

Grow a set, somefeller, and actually address the points. No one made a racist statement in this entire thread.

edutcher said...

somefeller said...

And I have no problem with country club white guys. I am one.

I doubt that. Most country club types don't express themselves with the level of nose pressed up against the window resentment as you do.


You're the one with his nose pressed against the glass. All anybody hears from you is resentment of anyone who dares criticize your Messiah and disagrees with you. Nothing positive, no friends here, no nothing.

I grew up with country club guys, went to school with them, worked with them.

You talk about having your club sandwich made as if it's something that's supposed to impress us all.

You're pretty obviously branded on the tongue, or rather, the pixel.

Whatever that's supposed to mean.

Plus, how can you pay for club dues, given that you are unemployed and unemployable?

Lots of unemployed in this country, sweetie, thanks to your Messiah. And you seem to be the one that's unemployable, wasting your life trolling in Mom's basement, obsessing about how much time I spend here. BTW, what are you doing here after a long day's "work" at the "office"? When I was employed, I liked to unwind after a hard day, but, then, I actually did some work.

But I do quite well, thank you. The Blonde and I live in one of the nicest little communities in NE OH (Rust Belt hovel - now there's projection) and we both have several annuities, as well a few little businesses, that keep us quite nicely.

Some of us get up and try again after we get knocked down. Some, like you, hide in Mom's basement.

somefeller said...

You talk about having your club sandwich made as if it's something that's supposed to impress us all.

Club sandwich? What are you babbling about? Sounds like you're the one with odd obsessions.

And I must say, it's interesting to see you claim that Obama's life story makes him a white guy. Apparently, minorities can't be upper middle class. You should hang out with the sort of people who say academic accomplishment is "acting white". You have a lot in common with them, once again, the fellowship of the permanently aggrieved.

Saint Croix said...

No one made a racist statement in this entire thread.

I think there's a fair amount of racism in this thread. Whenever you start talking about millions of people you've never met and you don't know ("black people are X"), it's going to be sloppy and stupid.

Everybody is a unique and different person, with different experiences and different ideas. And we all have free will.

Race itself is a stupid concept, one that people can't define. It's scientifically and morally useless. It's a bankrupt idea. I wish people would abandon it.

The best way to combat all this crap is to stop dividing people into races on our census. Just count up the people.

edutcher said...

somefeller said...

You talk about having your club sandwich made as if it's something that's supposed to impress us all.

Club sandwich? What are you babbling about? Sounds like you're the one with odd obsessions


You made a big deal about it several times, dear, as we both know.

As if you were sitting by the pool waiting for some lackey to bring it to you once you snapped your fingers.

And each time it sounded lamer and lamer, so I don't blame you for trying to deny it.

But then, once we call you on your nonsensical pontifications, you always have to try to change the subject.

And I must say, it's interesting to see you claim that Obama's life story makes him a white guy.

What was his mother, an Arab?

Of course, he's white. And that's the way he was raised and that's the way he lives.

Apparently, minorities can't be upper middle class.

You said that, not me. All I've said is that your pathetic attempts to portray your Messiah as some downtrodden black man fighting for the rights of his people are absolute nonsense.

Lots of upper class minorities - Bill Cosby, Allen West, Susana Martinez, but they earned theirs.

You should hang out with the sort of people who say academic accomplishment is "acting white".

In case you haven't heard, those are inner-city gang bangers who say that.

You don't even know what you're talking about, do you?

You just have a list of things beside you to say and you just mindlessly belch them out.

You have a lot in common with them, once again, the fellowship of the permanently aggrieved.

The only permanently aggrieved here is you, sweetie.

As I said, nothing positive to say, no friends here, not even an attempt to debate with anyone.

Just instant blanket condemnation. Maybe you're better off in Mom's basement.

somefeller said...

Cool rant, bro. And you ended it with a cliche. Bravo! Good to see you're still at the top of your game.

And about that club sandwich. (I had to laugh when typing that.) Apparently it made a much bigger impression on you than it did on me. Again, odd obsessions. But, if I "made a big deal about it several times" you should be able to provide links and direct quotes to those several times. Knock yourself out, you obviously think that's a very important detail and attention must be paid!

So much humor on the Internet and so little time. Alas.

John Lynch said...

Speaking truth from power?

edutcher said...

The fact you had to put the whole club sandwich thing in several posts I assume was intended to cow us all into being in awe of your fabulous lifestyle. Now you realize how silly you looked and you want to deny it.

Well, at least you're capable of learning something.

And is the "bro" supposed to show us the great street cred you've got with your homies?

I skipped the rest of whatever it is you wrote because it's your usual drivel, trying to make you feel better about yourself.

Too bad you didn't want to discuss anything I said about your Messiah really being a white man or couldn't rebut the points I made about how nonsensical your attempts to call me and the rest of the people here racists.

But, by all means, toddle off to bed. You've got a lot of "work" at the "office" tomorrow, keeping tabs on all us racists.

Hagar said...

It's not a particularly Black thing. He talks down to everybody.

madAsHell said...

I dunno.

I've never been mugged by three white guys.

Trust me, Jesse Jackson is a racist.

AlanKH said...

Doesn't he lecture to all his audiences?

edutcher said...

You forget, he's always the most interesting person in the room.

Give him a chance and he'll tell you himself.

cubanbob said...

Obama goes to a black college and tells the students to man-up and take responsibility for their lives and stop looking for excuses and that is a bad thing? The guy is wrong on just about everything but the one thing he gets right he gets dumped on. And by whom? The grievance industry crowd.

wildswan said...

Obama gets into massive trouble because he sicced the IRS on the Tea Party and suddenly he's making a speech about responsibility like a Tea Party guy.

n.n said...
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n.n said...

cubanbob, wildswan:

Obama's right, of course. Unfortunately, his words and actions are irreconcilable. Judge a man by the content of his character and actions. He cannot simultaneously advocate for responsible liberty and advance policies which sponsor corruption. The ensuing dysfunction is both predictable and expected.

n.n said...

Saint Croix:

Bias is intrinsic. Prejudice is developed.

There are a variety of tribes or ethnicities; but, there is only one human race, where men and women are biologically compatible with each other.

For all the reasons you stated, our integration will continue to be delayed. Exploitation of real and manufactured differentials and gradients sponsors corruption. It is fundamentally corrupt to denigrate individual dignity and devalue human life. This is the source of all evil in the world.

It is, of course, motivated by dreams of material, physical, and ego instant (or immediate) gratification in the general population; and a desire to advance political, economic, and social standing in the so-called "elite" class.

And so the cycles of redistributive and retributive change continue under the selective oversight of individuals and cooperatives with "good intentions," which are often short-term solutions (e.g. treating symptoms) that engender individual, institutional, and cultural corruption, typically through dissociation of risk.

William said...

Jesse Jackson took his mistress with him when he went to the White House to offer President Clinton pastoral counseling during his time of trouble. Jesse Jackson was never mocked or criticized for this lame act. I long for the day when black leaders worry that misdeeds such as this will cost them support......Do you think Vanessa Williams would ever have the courage to write a column lambasting Jackson for his many shabby deeds.

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Rusty said...

cubanbob @11:08

I know. ironical ain't it.


Who knew "asshole" was a race.

Maybe I'm entitled to something.

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CEO-MMP said...

Saint Croix said...

No one made a racist statement in this entire thread.

I think there's a fair amount of racism in this thread. Whenever you start talking about millions of people you've never met and you don't know ("black people are X"), it's going to be sloppy and stupid.

Everybody is a unique and different person, with different experiences and different ideas. And we all have free will. "


Get back to me when black people stop voting 95+% in a single block, and when they stop ostracizing successful members of their own race for being different (look up Thomas, Clarence).

Then I'll take you a little more seriously.

I agree with your comment as a whole, I just figure if black people are going to act like a group (or a mob, in some cases) then the group should be treated as a group.

phx said...

I agree with your comment as a whole, I just figure if black people are going to act like a group (or a mob, in some cases) then the group should be treated as a group.

That's throwing away your responsibility to act with high standards and blaming it on someone else.

Drago said...

Phx: "That's throwing away your responsibility to act with high standards and blaming it on someone else."

Wherein phx provides the perfect description of the Obama operational model.

Sigivald said...

It's always easy to discount Jesse Jackson's message, because he's a pathetic race-hustling fool...

Amartel said...

Someasshole always comes along and complains of nonspecific raaaacism.

The first thing that should spring to mind when someasshole accuses you of racism is to demand specifics. What was racist? Is talking about black people in a post regarding black pundits' opinions about a black president racist? By that standard, wouldn't anybody making blanket generalizations about blacks be "racist?" Wouldn't Vanessa Williams (the writer) and Barack Obama (the prezzie) also be "racist" then? Can anyone anywhere talk about black people critically in any context, without being racist? If so, what context? This context? If not, why not? Can anyone talk about black people in any context? Without being accused of racism, that is? Define racism. Define racist. Is Obama racist, by your definition? If not, why not? Do black people make you nervous? Anxious? Do you start to sweat just thinking about the topic? Like you might be thinking "bad thoughts?" Yannow, like, totally inadvertently of course? So better to shut down the topic immediately? And what to do if a black person looks at you? Like, when you're walking down the street? Panic! What's the protocol? Does one avert one's eyes, even if it's not Beyoncé? If you mention Obama, is it correct to merely bow or genuflect in the direction of Washington DC or must one go full bottoms-up Muslim? Too obvious? Should you charge black people rent if they are living in your brain and controlling your thoughts? What if there's rent control? Is it fair to ask for a little compensation for always yelling about racism even though you're white and only bring it up in order to shut down ideological opponents and other white people who seem like they might be trouble? What if you're half-white? If you're half white can you still "lecture" blacks at a graduation ceremony? What if you're just pointing out the obvious, stuff everyone already knows? Isn't that a little, um, self-serving? You're not really "lecturing" blacks in that case, then, are you? You're lecturing everyone else. Duh. What if you're too dumb to figure that one out on your own? What if you rely on Vanessa Williams and Ta-Nehesi Whatever the fuck in order to interpret world events and how to think? ARe you doomed? Is it racist to point that out?

ETC.