September 4, 2012

"What America needs most today is what it once had, but has lost — the lift of a driving dream."

That old quote sprang to mind just now, as I was thinking about whether Barack Obama will be able to reinvigorate the electorate with his old rhetoric when he does his convention speech this week. The quote is from — did you remember? — Richard Nixon.

We used to love to scoff at him for thinking he had anything to do with "the lift of a driving dream." But Barack Obama got us — some of us — to internalize the association between him and dreams. Can he — should he — do it again? To dream, you've got to sleep, and "what America needs most today" — and any day — is to be awake... vigilant.

118 comments:

Kevin said...

Uh oh. 400 "OMG Ann is looking for any excuse to fall back in love with Teh Won" comments, starting in 5.... 4... 3...

The Crack Emcee said...

Barack Obama got us — some of us — to internalize the association between him and dreams. Can he — should he — do it again?

Considering he told some whoppers from his dreams, I'd say the answer is a resounding YES!

I mean, you guys like lies, so why not?

Four More Years! Four More Years!

Tyrone Slothrop said...

A young person's dreams for the future used to involve things he or she would accomplish. Obama has informed us that individual achievement is impossible-- your dreams belong to the government and are dependent on the government's support and approval.

Shouting Thomas said...

The dream, to be blunt, was Stanley Dunham's childish dream that getting impregnated by a black man was the key to a future of racial harmony.

The black man abandoned her. Per usual.

The problems of black people are mostly self-generated. The all-purpose explanation of "white racism" has failed after 60 years of application.

The dream is stupid. Racial differences, and some racial animosity are just facts of life that one must deal with.

The great liberal dream of eradicating every tiny semblance of "racism" as the only hope for blacks is just stupid. Like adultery, theft, malice, etc. ... racism is just one of those parts of the human condition that will always exist.

Time to give up the damned stupid campaign to eradicate all racism. The cure is worse than the disease.

Pogo said...

Obama dreams of driving 400 yards, that's about it.

Pastafarian said...

I'm not sure what Obama could say, at this point, to reignite any enthusiasm for him, in anyone.

He's done so much to crush the dreams of so many Americans in his first term...what's he going to promise them in his second term that will make them forget about U3 unemployment over 8%, and U6 unemployment over 14%, for over 40 months?

And among those most susceptible to dreamy rhetoric, the young, unemployment is a nightmarish 50%.

Hammond X Gritzkofe said...

Y'know, I hear alot about "The American Dream" in political speech. Usually the reference is to home ownership, college education, or some such, and nearly always referring to how the Other Party is preventing the People from reaching it.

But, y'know, I always thought the the American Dream - the thing sought by the Founders and the many many who have come to America since then - is ...

... LIBERTY. Just being left alone by Government.

That, Ladies and Gentlemen, is the REAL AMERICAN DREAM.

Thank you, very much

-shu

The Crack Emcee said...

Shouting Thomas,

The black man abandoned her. Per usual.

ST, ST, ST,....

Colonel Angus said...

I'm not sure what Obama could say, at this point, to reignite any enthusiasm for him, in anyone.

I will not seek re-election?

garage mahal said...

'm not sure what Obama could say, at this point, to reignite any enthusiasm for him, in anmyone.

The thought of a Romney/Ryan administration will do the trick for most. Are we better off than four years ago? hell yes, Bush was president.

Matthew Sablan said...

"Are we better off than four years ago? hell yes, Bush was president."

-- Tell that to the additional, what, million or so? Maybe not that much? Unemployed and under employed since then.

Tyrone Slothrop said...

garage mahal said...

I'm not sure what Obama could say, at this point, to reignite any enthusiasm for him, in anmyone.

The thought of a Romney/Ryan administration will do the trick for most. Are we better off than four years ago? hell yes, Bush was president.


Apparently not so much.

David R. Graham said...

Good point. However, there is some question - subtle, to be sure, and rarely considered consciously - as to whether consciousness is any less dreaming than dreaming. Both conditions assume subject and object are different. Day dreams and night dreams. Waking and sleeping. Is there a difference.? Well, it would be difficult to find a settled answer to that question. Yet, on the context you use dreaming and vigilance, good point. Any time someone tells me I or they need a dream or a vision, I dismiss them. They want to manipulate me or disgrace their self. I have a hard enough time discerning what is real and true. Reverie can be useful, dreaming is dangerous or useless. I despise shrinks.

Colonel Angus said...

Are we better off than four years ago? hell yes, Bush was president.

So in other words, another $5trillion in debt and 9% unemployment is fine with you because your guy is in charge. That's brilliant.



Original Mike said...

"Manufacturing shrank at its sharpest clip in more than three years last month, while separate data showed exports and hiring in the sector slumped in another shot to the country’s struggling economy. August was the third month in a row of contraction in manufacturing, and firms in the sector hired the fewest workers since late 2009, according to an Institute for Supply Management survey on Tuesday." (via Instapundit)

Heck of a job there, Barry.

Marshal said...

Shouting Thomas said...
The dream, to be blunt, was Stanley Dunham's childish dream that getting impregnated by a black man was the key to a future of racial harmony.

The black man abandoned her. Per usual.


You have a serious problem.

Shouting Thomas said...

You have a serious problem.

No, fatherlessness is the overwhelming issue in the black community.

Perhaps, the problem is yours.

Original Mike said...

"But Barack Obama got us — some of us — to internalize the association between him and dreams. Can he — should he — do it again?"

He can't do it again. Too many people won't buy it. Which is why he's running such a divisive, identity politics campaign. My fear is that if he pulls it off the national mood will be even more poisonous than it is now.

Marshal said...

Shouting Thomas said...
You have a serious problem.

No, fatherlessness is the overwhelming issue in the black community.


Fatherless is certainly a problem for many black children, but I was speaking of your problem. The one that has you asserting causality you have no way of knowing simply because it involved a black man and a white woman.

Shouting Thomas said...

The foolishness of the great liberal dream... that racism must be completely eradicated from the earth... was made manifest by the dumb post yesterday about two blacks at the Republican convention who supposedly were offended by the tossing of a couple of peanuts and a mild insult.

The purported "racist" insult was so slight that only a person who cannot leave home without Mommy holding his hand would be much moved by it.

The racism must be eradicated dream has become, as I said, worse than the purported disease.

gerry said...

Obama voters should have been vigilant in 2008.

Shouting Thomas said...

The one that has you asserting causality you have no way of knowing simply because it involved a black man and a white woman.

The Red Diaper baby syndrome Stanley Dunham suffered from is one I have encoutered with great frequency.

There is no "simply" to my knowledge of this syndrome.

Curious George said...

"Pogo said...
Obama dreams of driving 400 yards, that's about it."

That's a driver and a three wood from the looks of his swing.

Michael said...

Marshall: "Fatherless is certainly a problem for many black children,"

Many being upwards of 75%. They all have fathers, they just aren't around.

Shouting Thomas said...

In other words, it's time to cease the great campaign to eradicate racism from the earth...

And to expect black people to take their bumps and bruises and deal with them, instead of rushing to ascribe every bump and bruise to some grand political issue.

gerry said...

was made manifest by the dumb post yesterday about two blacks at the Republican convention who supposedly were offended by the tossing of a couple of peanuts and a mild insult

I believe the incident was uncorroborated by witnesses.

Larry J said...

There are dreams, fantasies and delusions. It's important to know the difference. Obama's pusing fantasies and delusions.

Paul said...

"Can he — should he — do it again?"

Are you kidding?

The only thing he can do is try and generate as much fear and animosity towards his political opponents as possible and hope that's enough to reelect him in spite of his terrible record.

It ain't gonna be enough though. Not by a long shot.

Good to see the Obamas have picked out their new digs in Hawaii to be ready by January 2013. Apparently they know they're going to lose.

MnMark said...

@Shouting Thomas:
The dream is stupid. Racial differences, and some racial animosity are just facts of life that one must deal with.

+10

Shouting Thomas said...

Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.

Eric Hoffer.

Marshal said...

Shouting Thomas said...
The one that has you asserting causality you have no way of knowing simply because it involved a black man and a white woman.

The Red Diaper baby syndrome Stanley Dunham suffered from is one I have encoutered with great frequency.

There is no "simply" to my knowledge of this syndrome.


That possibility A exists to explain circumstance set 1 is only sufficient to prove possibility A is factual when no other possibilities exist. Therefore your assertion is that the possibility you mention is literally the only reason black men and white women ever get together.

This is the least offensive interpretation of your remarks. Given the insulting and emotionally driven tone I'd say this interpretation is overly generous.

PETER V. BELLA said...

Obama had his chance. Instead of reviving the dream he drove the nightmare. It is time for change. Hope died and we are left with despair.

Hammond X Gritzkofe said...

Shouting Thomas said:

"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.
- Eric Hoffer."

Hmmmm. Applies to America, too.

Shouting Thomas said...

Marshal,

You're not being "generous" or "rational."

You're just another asshole pandering the racism bullshit.

phx said...

And to expect black people to take their bumps and bruises and deal with them, instead of rushing to ascribe every bump and bruise to some grand political issue.

Well, you know how black people can be.

Ned said...

Really quite stunning...he LIED, most thinking people KNEW he was lying...and I bought the lies and voted for him.
It will take us decades to undo the damage obama (who I voted for) has done to the people of the US.
I wonder if I will buy his lies again...you are a pure fool M'am

Oclarki said...

Marshal,

What is your explanation for Stanley Ann's pathology for hooking up with goofy third world types?

Lem said...

I was thinking about whether Barack Obama will be able to reinvigorate the electorate with his old rhetoric when he does his convention speech this week.

The dream is getting dialed back a bit.

Warning.. a video starts some blather about premier league soccer to the upper right of the screen.

James said...

God don’t make no promises that He don’t keep.
You got some big dreams, baby, but in order to dream you gotta still be asleep.

When you gonna wake up and strengthen the things that remain?
~ Bob Dylan

Marshal said...

Oclarki said...
Marshal,

What is your explanation for Stanley Ann's pathology for hooking up with goofy third world types?


Serously, pathology?

I have no idea how she ended up with Obama. Maybe he was the most interesting man she met.

Shouting Thomas said...

I have no idea how she ended up with Obama. Maybe he was the most interesting man she met.

I've read numerous discussions of Stanley Dunham's age at the time she met this "most interesting man."

It is possible that Obama, Sr., committed statutory rape. He certainly committed bigamy.

Richard Dolan said...

Ha. Nixon and "the lift of a driving dream" reminded me of Man of la Mancha, a B'way musical of the Nixonian era: "to dream the impossible dream."

As political metaphors go, the 'dream' meme is more popular than it should be. The idea isn't intended to refer to the grab-bag of images that occur during sleep, but instead to lofty goals and desired ends, that place where we want and deserve to get, what MLK called the 'promised land'. But in the hands of politicians, the 'driving dream' is usually just the latest fantasy to get you to vote for them. As Clint said during his rample at the RNC, it's the same old thing, politicos coming around every few years looking for votes, wanting to be hired and trying to talk you into it by selling snake oil.

Better to downplay the dream and stick to humbler realities.

Marshal said...

Shouting Thomas said...
Marshal,

You're not being "generous" or "rational."

You're just another asshole pandering the racism bullshit.


Note that when I showed the logical flaw you made supporting your assertion you came back with ad hominem. You might as well have just said "you're right" and saved yourself the embarassment of doubling down on stupid.

deborah said...
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roesch/voltaire said...

Ned, I know this is a neat talking point:" decades to undo the damage obama (who I voted for) has done to the people of the US. " But please explain how working to save middle class jobs, increasing benefits for Vets, making student loans less expensive, and lowering the cost of prescription meds, while extracting us from Iraq, and increasing drone attacks thus killings al-Qaaeda's key leaders will take decades to undo.

deborah said...

Last night I watched a re-run of an Obama speech at a rally in Toledo. The crowd was pretty pumped up, but by the end when he was working to the crescendo, he seemed to be trying too hard.

James said...
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Marshal said...

Shouting Thomas said...
I have no idea how she ended up with Obama. Maybe he was the most interesting man she met.

I've read numerous discussions of Stanley Dunham's age at the time she met this "most interesting man."


How many included Dunham or Obama Sr?

It is possible that Obama, Sr., committed statutory rape. He certainly committed bigamy.

What does this have to do with her motivation? It's almost like you're desperate to change the subject.

Shouting Thomas said...

Note that when I showed the logical flaw you made supporting your assertion you came back with ad hominem. You might as well have just said "you're right" and saved yourself the embarassment of doubling down on stupid.

Jesus, you're quite a specimen.

Asshole, pure and simple. How often do you pull the racism gambit?

Shouting Thomas said...

hat does this have to do with her motivation? It's almost like you're desperate to change the subject.

Have you ever raised daughters?

I have.

The Crack Emcee said...

Shouting Thomas,

You know I love you, man, but you're backing yourself into a corner here. You said something stupid with the "Per usual" crack.

Come on, as a guy who knows matrimony as I have, and shared the pain of losing it, you should just say "my bad" and let it go. You know I won't hold it against you, or think it implies anything about you - I know what you're trying to say and do - but you've got to be honest, with us and yourself, that what you said is false.

Not all of it, but that.

Can you do it for me?

I was a "husband",...

Shouting Thomas said...

Marshal, a discussion of human emotions and dreams is, by definition, not a rational discussion.

You're something of a dunce.

Mick said...

"Dreams" was a purposeful effort by the Usurper to have the knowledge of his foreign father before the public, in order to cement the precedent he is attempting to set--- that one born with foreign influence could be President. He is exactly the type of man that the framers were preventing from the office.
That precedent is not valid, since it is against the Constitution--- that no person but a natural born Citizen, or a citizen born before 1789 could be eligible.

Palladian said...

To dream, you've got to sleep, and "what America needs most today" — and any day — is to be awake... vigilant.

"I'm saying I'm an insect who dreamt he was a man and loved it, but now that dream is over and the insect is awake..."

Shouting Thomas said...

Crack, I've met, literally, dozens of white Red Diaper baby women who play out Stanley Dunham's game.

They always get dumped.

I observed this by opening my eyes and seeing what was in front of my face.

And, I'm not blaming the black men involved. These women were real loonies.

Jay said...

roesch/voltaire said...
But please explain how working to save middle class jobs, increasing benefits for Vets, making student loans less expensive, and lowering the cost of prescription meds,


Hysterical.

Why, it is almost as if you don't know those things come with a cost or something.

Palladian said...

To dream, you've got to sleep, and "what America needs most today" — and any day — is to be awake... vigilant.

I was the dream weaver,
But now I'm reborn...

And so, dear friends,
You'll just have to carry on.
The dream is over ...

Palladian said...

To dream, you've got to sleep, and "what America needs most today" — and any day — is to be awake... vigilant.

The important thing is, we’re awake now, and hopefully for a long time to come"

Shouting Thomas said...

But, this is degerating into the standard, braindead game of whether racism is the answer to all questions.

I've said what I have to say and I have nothing else to say.

As shiloh would say, I now cede the forum to the racism fetishists who will whack off endlessly to their fetish.

Nothing I say will change that.

Jay said...

The idea that Obama, who introduced 350 new federal regulations with $65 billion in total costs in 2011 alone is fighting for middle class jobs is silly & obscene.

Petunia said...

You don't have to sleep to dream. Daydreams, you know.

Frankly, how ANYONE could have been naive, gullible, stupid, and/or Bush-deranged enough to think that Obama was going to fulfill ANYONE'S dreams but his and his cronies', absolutely boggles the mind.

phx said...

~~You're a man of the mountains, You can walk on the clouds Manipulator of crowds
You're a dream twister~~

Colonel Angus said...

But please explain how working to save middle class jobs, increasing benefits for Vets, making student loans less expensive, and lowering the cost of prescription meds..

Better yet, maybe explain how the current administration did any of those things?

exiledonmainst said...

"To dream, you've got to sleep,"

Copious amounts of choom are also helpful.

Marshal said...

Shouting Thomas said...
Marshal, a discussion of human emotions and dreams is, by definition, not a rational discussion.

You're something of a dunce.


The logic presented doesn't apply to Dunham's feelings. It applies to the facts you believe support your assertion. I'd think that was clear. But clear thinking must be too much to ask from from someone who believes raising daughters makes him an authority on any woman he chooses to armchair psychoanalyze.

Shouting Thomas said...

The logic presented doesn't apply to Dunham's feelings. It applies to the facts you believe support your assertion. I'd think that was clear. But clear thinking must be too much to ask from from someone who believes raising daughters makes him an authority on any woman he chooses to armchair psychoanalyze.

The first job of a father is to get his daughters through to the age of 21 or so without getting knocked up.

Do you have any idea how this is accomplished?

I'm just not an idiot like you. I've lived for 35 years in communities that feature plenty of Stanley Dunhams. I can see what is in front of my face.

Shouting Thomas said...

So, no, I'm not doing the sort of generalized, far away thing you keep insisting I'm doing.

I'm dealing with the particulars of personal experience, and I have plenty.

Apparently, you don't.

roesch/voltaire said...

Colonel here is one example: To help veterans find jobs when they get home, President Obama signed into law two tax credits that encourage businesses to hire unemployed veterans and wounded warriors.

A record number of veterans are entering the VA health system, so President Obama has significantly boosted the Veterans Affairs budget to ensure that veterans receive timely access to the highest-quality benefits and services. And though he knew it would be difficult, he's making sure the VA eliminates the backlog by 2015.
And Jay what is the cost of NOT doing this?

DADvocate said...

making student loans less expensive,

And, please explain how enabling students to get larger and larger loans for higher and higher tuition makes college less expensive.

A huge number of colleges and universities are government entities. Why do they keep getting more expensive?

Lem said...

Elisabeth Warren will be the official dream catcher... depending of how the pow wow goes ;)

Christopher in MA said...

So in other words, another $5trillion in debt and 9% unemployment is fine with you because your guy is in charge. That's brilliant.

Colonel, if a hack like garbage can support the Kleagle Byrd and the rapist Clinton, what makes you think he gives a flying fuck about debt and unemployment?

Original Mike said...

"To help veterans find jobs when they get home, President Obama signed into law two tax credits that encourage businesses to hire unemployed veterans and wounded warriors."

While hiring veterans is laudable, and I wouldn't gainsay it for a moment, note that for every veteran hired under Obama's plan, a non-veteran is not hired. Here we have the President doing what he thinks is the central responsibilty of government; picking winners and losers.

Special tax credit plans by the economic wizards in Washington are no substitute for real economic growth.

Hagar said...

All this talk about "creating" or "saving" jobs is bad. It inevitably leads to "creating" jobs by passing more laws requiring more regulations which require more regulators to be hired which require industry to hire more people to deal with the regulations and regulators, and so on, which is just a sea anchor dragging on the economy and preventing the ship of state from changing course to stand off the shoals of disaster.

R-V and that section of the Democrats seem to think the Federal Government is a bottomless horn of plenty created by the Almighty or the Big Bang, and it is only a question of who shall control the outlet end in order to create happines and prosperity for all. But it really is only a front office - overhead - created to form a structure within which we can work for our own happiness and prosperity, and to which we are willing to surrender a part of the fruits of our labor in order to have an orderly structure to work within.

If we want more jobs, etc., the front office needs to create conditions to encourage more enterprise among us peasants, and the jobs will follow.
The other way around does not work.

Jay said...

roesch/voltaire said...
And Jay what is the cost of NOT doing this?


Hysterical.

Um, you realize the CBO projects the economy to seize up in 2026, right?

So how much health care are those vets going to get in 2027?

Don't worry, this is all way, way too complicated for you.

Synova said...

Note please R/V that "working to save middle class jobs" doesn't count as actually saving any of them.

Nor does it count as growth in the economy. Obama doesn't and shouldn't get points for saying the right things about his priorities "working" without being able to point to results.

Employment is lower than it was when he started, certainly. And more jobs aren't "middle class" they're "lower class" and "part time" jobs. Job growth is measured in numbers that don't even match population growth.

Should Obama get credit for "working to save" middle class jobs when he pretty much destroyed the generally good paying jobs on oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico and has done crap-all to get big projects like the Keystone pipeline underway?

Jobs aren't his priority. Self-evidently. He has NOT prioritized jobs.

I don't care how much "work" he's done. He doesn't get a participation ribbon.

Jay said...

roesch/voltaire said...
To help veterans find jobs when they get home, President Obama signed into law two tax credits that encourage businesses to hire unemployed veterans and wounded warriors.


I love that.

Make is to that is costs tens of thousands to employ somebody and then give them a $1,000 tax credit.

All the while furrowing your brow that the U/E rate is stuck at over 8%.

Seriously, you can't make this type of high brow comedy up.

Want to guess how many veterans have been hired R/V?

Christopher in MA said...

Speaking of hacks - Ned, I know this is a neat talking point:" decades to undo the damage obama (who I voted for) has done to the people of the US. " But please explain how working to save middle class jobs, increasing benefits for Vets, making student loans less expensive, and lowering the cost of prescription meds, while extracting us from Iraq, and increasing drone attacks thus killings al-Qaaeda's key leaders will take decades to undo.

Funny, R/V, but I remember your ilk screaming to the high heavens that drone attacks were shameful, that they killed innocent babies and puppies and that Bush was a war criminal for using them. Odd how one's perspective changes depending on whether the war criminal has an R or D after his name.

Just as dissent became the highest form of racism sometime in January 2008.

garage mahal said...

Colonel, if a hack like garbage can support the Kleagle Byrd and the rapist Clinton, what makes you think he gives a flying fuck about debt and unemployment?

+100000!!!!

Synova said...

Also, you know... it's not like a Republican would do anything for Veterans.

Jason said...

"... And now the dream is over -- and the Insect is awake"

What? No insect politics tag?

Jason said...

"... And now the dream is over -- and the Insect is awake"

What? No insect politics tag?

Jay said...

And though he knew it would be difficult, he's making sure the VA eliminates the backlog by 2015.

Would you like to bet $5,000 that there is a VA Backlog in 2015?

Because I guarantee there will be.

Synova said...

Unemployment is so high that it's probably a good thing to make incentives to hire vets. But the truth is the truth, and it really is picking winners and losers and it does nothing at all to increase the total number of jobs available or the total number of people employed.

School loans are nice if you're like me and willing to gamble on some hopeful future job creation because you can't get a job NOW so why not go to school? Pushing people into debt, essentially, because the economy is that bad might be better than nothing but it might not be, too.

But please, let us demonize "big business" some more, because of the fairness. Lets throw money at "green" energy and watch it go down the toilet. Lets close down plans for a pipeline for Canadian oil sands and shale oil, for the children, so they can produce every bit as much of the "dirty" stuff and sell it to China.

Peter said...

I suppose an offer to pay for contracptive services just doesn't quite rise to the level of an inspiring dream, does it.

roesch/voltaire said...

Chris my "ilk?" please show me the links where I said what you claim, or do you simply like making over-generalized talking points that paint the world black and white. And speaking of Green,Synova I suggest that you look at the growth of solar in California because they have figured out how to lease the energy!

bagoh20 said...

" "working to save middle class jobs"

" License to kill gophers by the government of the United Nations. Man, free to kill gophers at will.

"So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Obama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."

The new American Dream

bagoh20 said...

The American dream is Friday night heading home to the family with a paycheck in hand.

Curious George said...

"roesch/voltaire said...
A record number of veterans are entering the VA health system, so President Obama has significantly boosted the Veterans Affairs budget to ensure that veterans receive timely access to the highest-quality benefits and services. And though he knew it would be difficult, he's making sure the VA eliminates the backlog by 2015."

Taking this statement further, how does Obama's cutting $700 billion from Medicare NOT in any way harm Medicare and ultimately the care seniors receive?

Hagar said...

Well, yes, they sure have figured out how to grow the "alternative energies!"

First you drive up the demand by applying political pressure on the local governments to require the power companies to have a certain percentage of their product consist of solar or wind driven generation. This costs the companies money, so they petition the PRC's for rate increases, which in fairness are granted. No problem since it is only the rate-payers money, not theirs.

Then you phony up the supply by guaranteeing loans or giving outright grants to the producers of solar panels and wind turbines, especially start-up firms formed by your political cronies in return for a share of the take in the form of donations. Again, no problem since it is only Federal money and we can always have Bernanke and Geithner "create" some more of that!

And California has figured out how to "lease" the energy? Does Al Gore have something to do with this?

This is "funny business," not "business!"

garage mahal said...

Taking this statement further, how does Obama's cutting $700 billion from Medicare NOT in any way harm Medicare and ultimately the care seniors receive?

Easy. No benefits were cut. It's another lie from Republicans.

From the Math Party no less.

RonF said...

America has the lift of a driving dream. It's the liberty and freedom to rise and fall on your own without a monarchy, aristocracy, oligarchy or self-appointed guardians of the public good to interfere with your devotion to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".

Pres. Obama and his fellow-travelers want to substitute for that dream the one embodied in his video "Julia"; one where we all get what we need from the government without having to do any productive work; a government composed of the educational and political elite who know what's best for us better than we do ourselves. I forget who said this, but a government powerful enough to give us all we want is powerful enough to take all that we have.

The Crack Emcee said...

Shouting Thomas,

I'm not blaming the black men involved. These women were real loonies.

Shouting Thomas - FOR THE WIN!

Michael said...

Garage. You didnt read the article you linked. Read the last vit again.

Michael said...

Garage. I will do it for you." The only element of truth here is that the health care law seeks to reduce future Medicare spending, and the tally of those cost reductions over the next 10 years is $716 billion. The money wasn’t "robbed," however, and other presidents have made similar reductions to the Medicare program."

Wasnt robbed is correct. Will be robbed is also correct.

Original Mike said...

"Garage. You didnt read the article you linked."

You expect garage to read the articles he links to? Are you new around here?

AllieOop said...

Shouting Thomas is brilliant, Marshal is a dunce and an asshole. Even Obama said there was a huge problem in the black community with fathers not taking responsibility. This is no secret.

BarryD said...

We have enough of a dream to keep us going for the next couple of months.

We dream of the White House door not hitting Obama's ass on the way out.

garage mahal said...

Wasnt robbed is correct. Will be robbed is also correct.

Not correct. There are no benefits cuts, just as I said. What was done is what Republicans claim should be done, but it was done by a Democrat, so they are compelled to lie.

Marshal said...

AllieOop said...
Shouting Thomas is brilliant, Marshal is a dunce and an asshole.

Even Obama said there was a huge problem in the black community with fathers not taking responsibility. This is no secret.


The idea that family instability hurts the black community isn't in dispute. I'm delighted by your eloquent and thoroughly amusing accusations. Normally you misstate people's positions. But in my case you had to misstate the entire subject in order to build your strawman.

Do I get a trophy for eliciting the second most ridiculous Oops comment ever? (The first of course was when she claimed Republicans are instituting The HandMaid's Tale in America, and I don't think I drew that one out.)

Colonel Angus said...

Obama said there was a huge problem in the black community with fathers not taking responsibility.

Why should they if the American taxpayer and the government will?

Seeing Red said...

Teh Won's 1st SOTU - what did he inspire us to do?

Weatherstrip.


I dream bigger than that.

paminwi said...

r/v: "making student loans less expensive". Obama only made student loans less expensive for those CURRENTLY in school. Those who recently graduated are paying an interest rate of 6.8%. There was NO change in the interest rate for millions of people with student loans. You spout BS, the same BS as Obama, and expect those who are working really hard to make those student loans payments with a 6.8% interest rate to buy into your BS.

Seeing Red said...

--Taking this statement further, how does Obama's cutting $700 billion from Medicare NOT in any way harm Medicare and ultimately the care seniors receive?--


Take it even further, if I'm over 75 and want to pay for something out of pocket, I can't.

Some smart cookie will build really nice clinics in Mexico or 1 of the Caribbean Islands for treatment.

Seeing Red said...

Get Uncle Sam out of the business of student loans and they will become less expensive. Put the risk where it belongs.

Marshal said...

paminwi said...
r/v: "making student loans less expensive". Obama only made student loans less expensive for those CURRENTLY in school. Those who recently graduated are paying an interest rate of 6.8%


The interest rate is not the sole determinant of the loan cost. Democrats drive up the principal by adding unnecessary spending to the education system primarily to fund political sinecures. John Edwards shouldn't have been given a job at UNC making hundreds of thousands to dollars. That unnecessary spending, which drives up tuition, is a bigger problem than the interest rate.

Colonel Angus said...

-Taking this statement further, how does Obama's cutting $700 billion from Medicare NOT in any way harm Medicare and ultimately the care seniors receive?-

Because it assumes that reducing payments to providers won't have any effect on those providers willingness to continue to accept Medicare patients.

Colonel Angus said...

Get Uncle Sam out of the business of student loans and they will become less expensive. Put the risk where it belongs.

This. Why should a bank refuse you a loan when they are guaranteed repayment.

Michael said...

Garage. Oh, now I see. There will be cost reductions but no benefit cuts. Right. And we were waiting for Obamacare to make those cuts, right? Because, why? Why wait?

Tip. There will be no cost cutting. There will be benefit cutting. It cannot otherwise be done.

Original Mike said...

"There are no benefits cuts"

Providers will simply reduce their obscene profits by a little. Right?

garage mahal said...

Tip. There will be no cost cutting. There will be benefit cutting. It cannot otherwise be done.

It's already law. Unless ObamaCare is repealed. That's where the 716 billion figure comes from! Link.

They lie about everything.

AllenS said...

Allie, how was the wedding?

AllieOop said...

Allen, GREAT!! Couldn't have been better.

Joe Schmoe said...

Em-dash much, Ann?

ken in sc said...

My first wife was hot. She was good looking and sexy. She was crazy in bed and sometimes crazy out of bed. She could be worth the world if somehow you could touch her at all. She was part Cherokee and proud of it. She was the mother of my sons and I loved her, but she was crazy. She smoked herself to death. She thought it was her duty to smoke tobacco.

Crunchy Frog said...

I dreamed I met a Galilean;
A most amazing man.
He had that look you very rarely find:
The haunting, hunted kind.

ricpic said...

What America needs most today is an unpicked pocket.

Rusty said...



roesch/voltaire said...
Chris my "ilk?" please show me the links where I said what you claim, or do you simply like making over-generalized talking points that paint the world black and white.


That's rich coming from you.



And speaking of Green,Synova I suggest that you look at the growth of solar in California because they have figured out how to lease the energy!


Which is still subsidized.

ricpic said...

Hey Marshall, ST speaks the simple truth that black culture is all but dysfunctional due to the baby daddy phenomenon, obvious to all but the willfully blind, and you throw out the you must be crazy card. You're bankrupt.