October 28, 2011

Critiquing mainstream media and praising Occupy Wall Street, Dahlia Lithwick accidentally slams Barack Obama.

This essay rambles along, excusing OWS for its vague message on the theory that cable TV newsfolk just don't understand:
Occupy Wall Street is... a movement that has wisely shunned the one-note, pre-chewed, simple-minded messaging required for cable television as it now exists....

The mainstream media... has no idea whatsoever of how to report on a story that isn’t about easy fixes so much as it is about anguished human frustration and fear....

While the mainstream media expresses puzzlement and fear at these incomprehensible “protesters” with their oddly well-worded “signs,” the rest of us see our own concerns reflected back at us and understand perfectly....
Okay.  The media doesn't get it. Check. Now, look at the final paragraph.
By refusing to take a ragtag, complicated, and leaderless movement seriously, the mainstream media has succeeded only in ensuring its own irrelevance. The rest of America has little trouble understanding that these are ragtag, complicated, and leaderless times. This may not make for great television, but any movement that acknowledges that fact deserves enormous credit.
These are leaderless times?! Whatever happened to The One?

93 comments:

YoungHegelian said...

Izzit just me or does it seem like Lithwick has been taking stupid lessons over the years?

I mean, there's being leaderless and anarchic, and there's being leaderless and anarchic WELL. It's hard to say OWS is doing it well.

WWBD -- What Would Bakunin DO?

Jason (the commenter) said...

The protests are a response to Obama's failure to live up to the promises he made to the people who voted for him. That's why you don't see pro-Obama signs there. I've only ever seen pro-Ron Paul ones. (People still believe in him.)

glenn said...

But ... But .. Barry issued all those X EC U TIVE orders. Leaderless? Actually she's right and we should all be thankful.

MayBee said...

I've only ever seen pro-Ron Paul ones. (People still believe in him.)



I believe, for better or worse, Ron Paul really believes what he says he believes.
I don't think that about many politicians.

Paddy O said...

There are specific issues to protest (like with Civil Rights or Vietnam) and then there are tantrums.

Using a veneer of postmodernity to excuse acting up out of vague fears and frustrations is pretty sad. Because the fact is that while there are definitely issues and problems and broken lives and specific complaints, responding by "protesting" is just about the least effective act possible. It's basically wallowing in the angst while helping absolutely no one.

Instead of their vague messages and camping out, they would be much better to go and volunteer with specific organizations that are engaged with helping actual people, or running for a local political office, or doing all sorts of other much more specific tasks.

The wallowing in angst only fuels more angst.

And the fact is that each person there is actually comparatively very wealthy and probably much more in the oppressor class than they'd ever want to admit. They have lives filled with all kinds of choices, choices so many in this world don't have. They have options and power and influence, even if they are in debt and have useless degrees. They show by their being there that they can just about do anything. And they waste this power of choice by wallowing in self-pity.

It's sad. But they can, and should be, the change they believe in. They should start businesses, reform economic approaches, and otherwise engage in acts of real change for real people, not waiting for others to give them attention for their present tantrums.

Jason (the commenter) said...

I think this is what you get when you focus on building children's self-esteem rather than teaching them useful life skills. People that are more pets than independent human beings.

Spectators think the protesters aren't saying anything coherent and therefore have no solutions to offer. But that's not true. The incoherent hodgepodge of ideas is their solution.

By and large, these people don't know how to take care of themselves. They don't know how to do anything someone else would willingly pay them money for. And their brains think what they are saying is a solution. They have no idea that what comes out of their mouths is incoherent.

A few of them notice, but only after they hear a reporter mention it on TV. And those few are parroting what was said more than understanding it.

Seeing Red said...

Insty:

OCCUPY MADISON LOSES PERMIT, over complaints about “inappropriate behavior, such as public masturbation, from street protesters.”

Seeing Red said...

Insty also has a link to a story about OWS really started in Canada in June.

Goudie from ABC Channel 7 in Chicago did some excellent work.

traditionalguy said...

Leaderless is as leaderless does.

Obama has only been a prop leader in a facade White House keeping us occupied with WWF wrestling matches with Congress while the dollar, the US Military Budget, and the US energy extraction business all wither away...but don't look at that...look over here at Wall Street fat cats who are keeping their money with Crony Obama's generous favoritism.

YoungHegelian said...

@Seeing Red,

OCCUPY MADISON LOSES PERMIT, over complaints about “inappropriate behavior, such as public masturbation, from street protesters.”

First, they came for the jerk-offs, and I did nothing....

Sue D'Nhym said...

Signs- well worded because they were provided by their community organizers, on behalf of their one.

And people see their own frustrations reflected back on them, like people saw their own hopes projected on their one?

So, is Lithwick a complete and utter dupe, or does Lithwick think the average reader is?

traditionalguy said...

Query: Are useful idiots really idiots, or just depressed masochists.

Revenant said...

Part of me wants to Google Lithwick's opinions on the Tea Party movement, but fortunately the other parts of me remembered not to give a rat's ass.

Robin said...

Well, we've been leaderless since the Teleprompter Of The United States was kidnapped.

David said...

Kinsley gaffe, journalism category--accidentally telling the truth.

Jay said...

Hahaha:

City officials temporarily denied Occupy Madison a new street use permit Wednesday after protesters violated public health and safety conditions and failed to follow the correct processes to renew or amend a permit.

The permit, which expired Wednesday at noon, required Occupy Madison protesters to relocate from their current space at 30 West Mifflin Street, also called 30 on the Square.

A neighboring hotel's staff alleged voiced concerns about having to recently escort hotel employees to and from bus stops late at night due to inappropriate behavior, such as public masturbation, from street protesters.


They are representative of the modern left. Angry, ignorant, and rude.

Paul Zrimsek said...

I don’t purport to speak for anyone but myself here, although I spent time this weekend at Occupy Wall Street

Bet all you people who thought that Lithwick never in her life left the Upper West Side are feeling pretty silly right now.

edutcher said...

Given that the Tea Party is also leaderless - and a lot more leaderless than the Dr Evil-funded Occupation - how does Lithwick explain the Establishment Media had no problem reporting on them?

Granted, they got it wrong, but that didn't stop them.

Ann Althouse said...

Whatever happened to The One?

Barry is underwater everywhere.

GodZero's approval is so low in WI, Scott Walker's approval (47%) is higher than Zero's (44%).

PaulV said...

The Hindmost leads from behind. His safety is nedded by the state.

Ann Althouse said...

Hey, I blogged about the Madison masturbators yesterday.

MayBee said...

I'm pretty sure Occupy LA is just about getting high. These are high times.

Seeing Red said...

I wasn't here yesterday, I'm sorry. I did a quick glance.

America's Politico said...

At the Oval Room Happy Hour, we were not pleased with Dahlia. She is so messed up. We have decided that she would not be considered as a our A reporters in the media. We give important access to A people, so that they return favor by totally and completely supporting our Committee to Re-Elect the POTUS. This is not acceptable. We do not need this distraction. We simply want to focus on GOP nomination of Perry. This scenario will help us win everywhere in 2012. This will help all Senate/House members on the ballot. Thus, 2012 is a year of victory. Dahlia is a bad smell, luckily we do not care for her or her publication anymore. Forget you.

PaulV said...

The Hindmost leads from behind. His safety is nedded by the state.

10/28/11 8:09 PM

Also needed



WV: theak Variation of freak week

PaulV said...

In college I knew someone who had a summer job baiting hook on a fishing boat. He dropped out of school and went to Florida hoping to jpim a union and become a Master Baitor

DADvocate said...

Lithwick just doesn't get the leading from behind thing. What a dufus.

Insty has links about physical fighting among ows types in NY and some one draining the Portland ows's Pay Pal account.

In some fairness, a group can't camp out in squalor, cold, etc and not expect some conflict. That they continue to attempt this futile form of protest points out their lack of understanding of themselves and human nature in general.

Jason (the commenter) said...

Althouse: Hey, I blogged about the Madison masturbators yesterday.

Like Althouse doesn't have a Google alert set up for "Madison and masturbation".

Mike_K said...

Instead of their vague messages and camping out, they would be much better to go and volunteer with specific organizations that are engaged with helping actual people, or running for a local political office, or doing all sorts of other much more specific tasks.

But, But... That's the Tea Party !

Psychedelic George said...

"Margin Call"...great movie, excellent acting by Jeremy Irons and Kevin Spacey.

JAL said...

"By refusing to take a ragtag, complicated, and leaderless movement seriously, the mainstream media has succeeded only in ensuring its own irrelevance."

You got that right Dahlia.

The rest of America has little trouble understanding that these are ragtag, complicated, and leaderless times.

That's because much of the rest of America was at the tea parties (which must not have been ragtag and complicated enough for Dahlia to pay attention to).

T=Taxed E=Enough A=Already isn't too complicated.

Synova said...

"...it is about anguished human frustration and fear...."

I think this is true, and I think that we knew that, didn't we?

The problem is that "anguished human frustration and fear" does not excuse the Stupid.

Tantrums are generally about "anguished human frustration and fear". But the simple expression of those things has no substance.

So the rest of us demand that the expression of "anguished human frustration and fear" be accompanied by proposed solutions.

It hasn't yet.

So far we have demands, but no solutions. Or as Love pointed out a few days ago (not to fuss on Love, but it was illustrative) it's all too complicated for normal people to understand or figure out how to fix, so normal people should just vote in general directions and someone else (presumably the super smart government people) have the responsibility of making it all actually work.

The Tea Party capitalist sorts say, "this is how the economy works and that's why what we propose will work."

The Libertarian capitalist sorts say, "this is how the economy works and that's why what we propose will work."

The OWS protesters say, "Math is hard, but there is no reason I can't have my share!"

It's not any of OUR faults that the Movement when they sit down in one of their democratic committees and hash out the demands that express their "anguished human frustration and fear" come up with the Stupid.

Synova said...

The one thing that I think might be a central unifying premise to the whole OWS thing is that government is utterly powerless and thus Obama is excused.

I get emails from a local Dem who seems to be trying to shed his moderate image in favor of pretending there is a great struggle of the little guy against Big Money. Republicans are responsible for the corporate and bank bail-outs, no matter that Dems had firm majorities, and only his election will stop the dangerous Tea Party and all the damage they are doing in Washington... voting against bail outs, because that's what they did when they got there, right? The Right and particularly the Tea Party has been anti-bail-out from the first day that fellow ranted at the Stock Exchange, and they've been consistent with that ever since.

It's amazing how suddenly congress must be saved from the extremist Republicans that want to bail out big business.

The protesters might be that dumb, but I don't think the long time mayor of Albq and now candidate for Congress is that stupid. I just think he's a lying sack of sh*t.

edutcher said...

Ann Althouse said...

Hey, I blogged about the Madison masturbators yesterday.

Are they playing for the American or National League next year?

Jaske said...

Say, mention a Name, excuse a name, explain both.

wv: rinsm

Tyrone Slothrop said...

For those open to schadenfreude, the forecast for NYC for Saturday is for a high of 44 and 100% chance of rain.

murgatroyd666 said...

Lithwick apparently believes that since socialism led by the Smartest President Everrr didn't work, the only possible alternative is socialism pushed by the stupidest possible losers.

Canuck said...

I don't think it was accidental.

Seeing Red said...

In some fairness, a group can't camp out in squalor, cold, etc and not expect some conflict. That they continue to attempt this futile form of protest points out their lack of understanding of themselves and human nature in general.



I thought that's how they want all of us to live to be fair. In squalor, miserable. But they'll whine.

MarkG said...

Shorter Lithwick: "OWS isn't one-dimensional like the rest of society. Society can't understand the protesters' message because, it's like, two-dimensional. No, multi-dimensional. Yeah, that's it."

garage mahal said...

Hey, I blogged about the Madison masturbators yesterday.

Was there any doubt? Or for that matter, any doubt Meade would have steadfastly recorded every second of the jackoff session, [had it really occured], within inches of the subject, had he had the chance? I bet Meade has more hours of unpaid film footage than anyone in America.

Mr. T. said...

We're still waiting from Lithwick to see what all her "mounds and mounds" of evidence were against the Duke lacrosse players.

Well?

Mike said...

Look at Dahlia! She shoots! She scores!---an own goal.

Carol_Herman said...

Not exactly "leaderless." There's someone who can sign the checks! And, money is being raised!

It's like a political event ... where a really clever lawyer figured out that the "private property" ... with a guarantee that half an acre had public access 24/7 ...

Is what put this thing in motion.

Bloomberg said the cops won't "come inside the private space" to toss out the tents. Generators. FREE FOOD. And, other giveaways.

And, about the only thing that stopped some of the drumming ... was "someone" with a razor blade.

Who damaged about $8000 worth of drums. (And, then the drummer discovered ... while so much money has been raised ... no one was gonna replace their ripped up drums.)

I'm sure the IRS will also get to see loads of wealthy people who will be taking their tax deductions ... "to give this leaderless group" MONEY that's bankable.

What you don't know are the names of the people who can access the cash!

What media hype CREATES!

But, it's not quite a bubble, yet.

Jim Treacher said...

Was there any doubt? Or for that matter, any doubt Meade would have steadfastly recorded every second of the jackoff session, [had it really occured], within inches of the subject, had he had the chance?

Don't worry, he'll blur out your face.

Curious George said...

"garage mahal said...

I bet Meade has more hours of unpaid film footage than anyone in America."

My favorite was that asswipe that went up to Margie Phelps and called her a bitch and gave her the finger.

MarkG said...

My favorite was that asswipe that went up to Margie Phelps and called her a bitch and gave her the finger.

I'm not convinced that was actually Garage. Because if that was me, and that's all I could come up with, I'd never show myself around here again.

Chip Ahoy said...

I understand leading from behind to mean that one leads group dynamics invisibly to build consensus in such a way that one's leadership is hardly noticed and where one does not step forward to claim recognition or responsibility.

But now I am seeing the phrase used with a different meaning: being behind events but claiming foresight.

Ron Moses said...

If you took out the direct reference and didn't name the author, you would have no way to know whether those quotes were in reference to OWS or the Tea Party movement. None at all.

Alan said...

Whatever happened to The One?

He took the campaign train to the coast
The day the economy died

Bruce Hayden said...

One of the problems here is that the protests are somewhat a product of the MSM. They are supposed to be the left's answer to the Tea Party movement. Note the timing - about a year before the election. They were hoping for the same sort of movement that the right has in order to retake the House and save the White House for another Obama term.

So, the original protests were built up. All of the negative stuff was covered up by the press. Heck, today, David Duke jumped in to support them, along with the Communists, Nazis, etc. All of the premade socialist, communist, union, etc. signs were ignored. The numbers were exaggerated, by the same media outlets that downplayed the Tea Party numbers. And the most vehement spokespeople were the ones making the rounds of cable and network shows.

One reason that the movement doesn't seem to have a unified message is that it isn't a unified movement. You have the unions, the communists, the Nazis, etc. all with their own signs and messages. And, then you have the ignorant slacker generation who know things are bad, but don't want to look to Washington, D.C. and esp. the White House as the problem, since they were instrumental in putting Obama there.

Indeed, the one place where they should be protesting, Washington, D.C., they really aren't. I drove by their park in that city last Sunday, and all I saw were a couple dozen nice looking tents, and not that many people sitting around. Not much energy whatsoever.

In the end, I think that the movement will fizzle out. They are now showing resolve to sit out the coming snow in NYC in their tents. We shall see. The winter can be quite long, and spending it in a tent near Wall Street is not going to be fun. And, so, I expect that by the end of the year, much of the movement will have fizzle out.

We shall see.

Wayne Richards said...

Insty has a link that might suggest a scholarly purpose to the public masturbation in Madison.

Self-replication achieved using structural DNA nanotechnology.

Don't misunderestimate those fine minds.

Don't Tread 2012 said...

Uh oh.

More evidence of the liberal mind and the absence of the 'sane' and 'reasonable' filters.

I can only imagine the media coverage of a Tea Party event that had triggered this type of result. Janeane freaking Garafalo would be on every left wing cable outlet spewing her hate rhetoric calling every grandmother and child a racist.

Have to agree, these OWS protests seem to point to a dissatisfaction with the lack of goodies from Zero. Pathetic indeed. OWS wants more government/cronyism, while the Tea party wants less. Period.

Don't Tread 2012 said...

Nothing to see here.

All is well. The OWS people really are the mainstream of America.

Bless their hearts.

wv - bless

AllenS said...

Whatever happened to The One?

The last I heard, he was in Hollywood collecting millions of dollars in campaign contributions, then it was off to the Jay Leno show for some giggles.

What's the problem?

Martin said...

That last paragraph is about the Tea Party, right?

DADvocate said...

I thought that's how they want all of us to live to be fair. In squalor, miserable.

That is what they want. That's the stupid, no understanding part.

Ritmo Re-Animated said...

These are leaderless times?! Whatever happened to The One?

Lol. It's funny how much self-awareness you must foresake in order to substitute your own caricatures with other people's actual thoughts, ideas, impressions.

DADvocate said...

But now I am seeing the phrase used with a different meaning: being behind events but claiming foresight.

Kinda like the teenage boy egging his friend(s) on and then saying "WE did it! WE did it!"

Ritmo Re-Animated said...

Janeane freaking Garafalo would be on every left wing cable outlet spewing her hate rhetoric calling every grandmother and child a racist.

You tell 'em, Don't Tread! Racism only exists when it's directed at white people, right?

Only non-whites can have racist attitudes in Tea Party land.

new york said...

These are leaderless times! Absolutely. That is exactly the message of OWS. The two main prongs of OWS (attacking Wall Street and attacking government) are based on the fact that Congress and all presidential candidates are bought and paid for by Wall Street. OWS wants the People to find a way to bring democracy back to the electoral and the economic process. Hence the slogan: We are the 99%. If you go to OWS or any occupy camp that is on point, you will most definitely notice the absence of anyone talking or writing about current political candidates or political parties. They are trying to change the system and our current mindset of dividing people into Democrats and Republicans and having them attack and destroy each other. Who benefits when the 99% fight over the scraps tossed down to us by the 1%? The 1% is laughing all the way to the bank. The 1% control everything, including Obama and the Supreme Court. They will write a law tomorrow taking away your fancy house and your pension if they feel like it and you will be powerless to stop it. If we are not going to support the constitution and the people's right to free speech and peaceably assemble then all is lost. We gave up freedom of the press, separation of powers, checks and balances, etc. a long time ago.

Ritmo Re-Animated said...

The last I heard, he was in Hollywood collecting millions of dollars in campaign contributions, then it was off to the Jay Leno show for some giggles.

What's the problem?


No problem. But it's nice to see that the conservatives make up for their lack of any class and resentment of Hollywood by making their debates into the political equivalent of beauty pageants, game shows and reality TV shows.

As Obama said, he'll wait to pay attention once the last one's been "voted off the island".

I totally cracked up watching the Republican ego-stroking that occurred with Wolf Blitzer's use of Vince McMahon's announcement style when presenting the names of the silly lil' Repubs.

Bob59 said...

OWS needs a leader because their demands are to collectively take stuff from others and give it to us. The TEA Party does not need a leader because their message is to leave us individuals alone. You dont really need a leader to get that message across.

AllenS said...

Well, Ritmo, it seems that obama likes to hang out with the 1%, doesn't it?

AllenS said...

And wasn't there a time when obama had to wait until Hillary! was voted off of the same island? Isn't that what primaries are for?

KenK said...

Boy howdy. Back when the TP was in full on rage mode everybody here bitched and whined about how CNN, NYT and the rest always gravitated to the kooks, freaks, the gun carriers. Mass movements are always attracting those sorts. And being in large cities the lumpen is gonna smell an opportunity. (And just smell in some cases too.) Judging a mass movement by the random acts of a few fringe types would be like judging the TPers by the nuts and kooks who were attracted to its energy and momentum and missing the bigger picture of spontaneous resistance movements arising. Forest vs. trees eh?

Robert Cook said...

What makes you think Lithwick's slam of Obama is accidental?

Ritmo Re-Animated said...

Well, Ritmo, it seems that obama likes to hang out with the 1%, doesn't it?

To a mind that only comprehends "with us or against us" that can be a problem.

But to liberals and independents it's not.

Most of the "1%" wants to avoid political trouble, and many, many among them are likely to identify as liberals or to at least be sympathetic to the economic immobility that conservatives have created.

It's those chuckleheads at "the bottom of the bracket" who endorse Republican ideas, and bribe their whore-pols accordingly.

They'd like to be at the top, but they aren't. The tippy-top know that if you don't have a social conscience, your legacy will be shit. Well, most of them do, anyway. The Brothers Cock and a few other bad eggs are different. And necessarily shadier, as well.

Most people with that kind of power don't mind better exposure, because they realize that morality no longer becomes a luxury or a choice once they run out of rungs on the economic ladder.

But you are just a mindless peon, so why am I even bothering to explain this to you? Just vote Republican and don't worry your little head with the complex realities of life, ok Allen?

J said...
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J said...

The OWS people are demanding jobs for Americans--however offensive teabugs find it that's more than the demopublicans are doing.

Ritmo Re-Animated said...

The Teabags are just schizophrenic about the fact that they cooperated with the Great Scheme to outsource our middle class to China. It causes them apoplexy to reconcile their blind nationalism with economic greed.

I don't mind or care if China builds up its own middle class, I just don't think it's illegitimate to ask that it do so on its own dime, with its own ideas, and with the necessary freedoms and protections to its citizens that allow economic power to grow in the first place.

If all that were to happen, they wouldn't have been in a position to threaten us anyway, as their politics wouldn't have allowed for it.

And if they hadn't, they'd be just another USSR - doomed to collapse under the weight of their own internal inconsistencies.

But Republicans keep holding on to the idea that Reagan was somehow necessary for allowing a doomed enterprise to collapse, so we must therefore engage another brutal dictatorial regime to prevent them from being a threat to us.

It's clearly an incredibly presumptuous idea that requires much more thinking through.

GMay said...

Ritmo belched: "But it's nice to see that the conservatives make up for their lack of any class and resentment of Hollywood by making their debates into the political equivalent of beauty pageants, game shows and reality TV shows."

Yeah, because class is wanking in public, gang rapes, and shitting on police cars.

And last I checked, Republicans weren't the ones setting u pthe debates. But you'd actually have to have a clue to know that wouldn't you?

GMay said...

KenK tried: "Judging a mass movement by the random acts of a few fringe types would be like judging the TPers by the nuts and kooks who were attracted to its energy and momentum and missing the bigger picture of spontaneous resistance movements arising. Forest vs. trees eh?"

Yeah you're right, the wealth of examples of filth, crime, sexual assault, indecent exposure, calls for violent revolution, and outright militias showing up at every major OWS Public Health Risk is totally comparable to the few instances at TP rallies, minus the Black Plague reunion tour at Zucotti Park of course.

Keep dreamin'.

Ritmo Re-Animated said...

Methinks I just heard an attempt by GMaynot to convince me that Hollywood celebrities are "wanking in public, gang rapes, and shitting on police cars."

Does anyone have evidence of this? Hollywood celebrities committing these acts? Really?

But I digress. It's easy to prevent myself from getting caught up in the faint sounds of white cranial noise emanating from the small brain of the mayfly, GMaynot.

Perhaps he's just a scatological and masturbatory sort and gets easily aroused by those sorts of thoughts.

GMay said...

Ritmo: "To a mind that only comprehends "with us or against us" that can be a problem.

But to liberals and independents it's not."


Coming from a collectivist, that's rich.

GMay said...

Ritmo furiously typed: "The Teabags are just schizophrenic about the fact that they cooperated with the Great Scheme to outsource our middle class to China. It causes them apoplexy to reconcile their blind nationalism with economic greed."

This is what academics refer to ass "Talking out of your ass".

The rest of your argument, as usual, is just one overlong strawman.

Ritmo Re-Animated said...

Lol. Republicans were dragged into having debates. Shame on you, CNN, Google and FOX! Shame! Trying to MAKE and FORCE the helpless and incompetent Republican candidates into an actual debate!!! Everyone knows the poor little dears aren't capable of something so demanding and taxing as explaining their ideas and defending them in front of their colleagues! For shame!

Where will this coercive show of government power ever end? Oh, where...?

A mayfly wants to know.

GMay said...

Ritmo whiffed: "Methinks I just heard an attempt by GMaynot to convince me that Hollywood celebrities are "wanking in public, gang rapes, and shitting on police cars."

If that's what you read, then your reading comprehension level is comparable to an OWS Shit-In's health and safety standard.

But you sure can type!

michaele said...

PaulV said...
In college I knew someone who had a summer job baiting hook on a fishing boat. He dropped out of school and went to Florida hoping to join a union and become a Master Baitor

Pretty funny...deserves a thumps up from at least one comments reader.

GMay said...

Yeah Ritmo, you keep thinking CNN, Google, and even FOX are bastions of conservative outlets.

Denial: serving liberal progressives since 1933

Ritmo Re-Animated said...

Coming from a collectivist, that's rich.

Representative government in a democratic republic is a necessarily collectivist enterprise, dummy. So deal with it. We don't get to carve out parts of a federal republic and deny it accountability to the entire system of government as a whole.

And you're the one who thinks only the rich should get a voice.

How hard would it be for you to stop being stupid for ten seconds. Everyone knows your predictable talking points. Come up with your own ideas, clone warrior.

Do you have to ask Mr Koch for permission to think for yourself, first?

Ritmo Re-Animated said...

When the 9:34 comment, as a follow-up to the 9:17 comment, served as a response to an 8:46 comment, you'd think that the idiot who supplied those later comments should have read the 8:46 comment.

But GMaynot does not. He thinks it's not his responsibility to read what he responds to.

But undoubtedly he will serve as the reminder here of the importance of personal responsibility in America. Just not when it comes to reading.

Ritmo Re-Animated said...

Yeah Ritmo, you keep thinking CNN, Google, and even FOX are bastions of conservative outlets.

Denial: serving liberal progressives since 1933


Denial that FOX is a conservative outlet? The war against reality continues unabated.

I assume that the Republican party is a conservative outlet that gets to choose with whom it does business, but GMaynot fervently comes up with so many knee-jerk reactions that he doesn't even realize how stupid it would be to disagree.

Curious George said...

"Ritmo Re-Animated said...
Come up with your own ideas, clone warrior.

Do you have to ask Mr Koch for permission to think for yourself, first?"

Ritmo teed it up! Anyone want to hit it out of the park?

shorta: Kathleen Falk saying "sort of"

Paco Wové said...

New York:
That is exactly the message of OWS. The two main prongs of OWS (attacking Wall Street and attacking government) are based on the fact that Congress and all presidential candidates are bought and paid for by Wall Street.

Attacking government? I thought that's what they weren't doing. After all, you mention, "the absence of anyone talking or writing about current political candidates or political parties." Like it or not, those candidates and parties represent the levers of power right now, and any change will have to be effected by them or their replacements. As you also say, "They will write a law tomorrow taking away your fancy house and your pension if they feel like it and you will be powerless to stop it." Damn straight. It's not the investment banker swine doing that, it's the government.

They are trying to change the system and our current mindset of dividing people into Democrats and Republicans and having them attack and destroy each other.

You might want to have a word with your friend Ritmo, then.

Ritmo Re-Animated said...

Are you going to rely on the usual confusion between independent agreement and bootlicking to get your answer, Georgie?

Ritmo Re-Animated said...

Georgie, hitting your semen out of the proverbial park doesn't count.

You have to land a decisive rhetorical and logical blow.

Come on, Georgie, we're all waiting. Rally your troops. Lead them to your call. Show them the way.

Have them file up and organize for the cause.

GMay said...

Ritmo twisted: "Representative government in a democratic republic is a necessarily collectivist enterprise, dummy. So deal with it. We don't get to carve out parts of a federal republic and deny it accountability to the entire system of government as a whole."

Ah, the hive mind has done it's work well with you. You're apparently blissfully unaware of these things called States and our Bill of Rights, which are quite antithetical to your overwhelming Borg philosophies.

"And you're the one who thinks only the rich should get a voice."

Another strawman slain by brave Sir Ritmo!

"How hard would it be for you to stop being stupid for ten seconds. Everyone knows your predictable talking points. Come up with your own ideas, clone warrior."

Is there medication for a classic case of projection? I only ask because I know that has got to be hard to stop on your own.

"Do you have to ask Mr Koch for permission to think for yourself, first?"

Not anymore, because that motherfucker still hasn't sent me that phat phat paycheck he promised me.

GMay said...

Ritmo teed it up again: "Georgie, hitting your semen out of the proverbial park doesn't count.

You have to land a decisive rhetorical and logical blow."


Look, you're the only one talking about another man's semen here.

You wouldn't recognize a decisive rhetorical blow if it ended up all over your face.

Ritmo Re-Animated said...

GMaynot used the following verbs in constructing his Mad Libs-inspired responses:

"Whiffed... twisted... typed... tried... belched."

And he still didn't come up with anything relevant or thought provoking.

AND, OWS is still winning, as was the, you know "Union" back when GMaynot's intellectual forebears forgot about the Supremacy Clause. Maybe he'll try to pretend that we're still in the Articles of Confederation phase of American history.

Boring, incoherent, irrelevant. The typical GMay happy hour show. It plays during weekend morning cartoon time instead of in a bar between 4 and 6 PM, because, you know, that's how he rolls.

Ritmo Re-Animated said...

Look, you're the only one talking about another man's semen here.

Well, this IS the internet and my opponents are conducting the usual mental masturbation, so why not?

You wouldn't recognize a decisive rhetorical blow if it ended up all over your face.

If it lacked any logical thought, then I might as well. Besides, aren't you violating your own prude rules by invoking a rhetorical twist on the last supposed outrage with this comment?

Bruce Hayden said...

Indeed, the one place where they should be protesting, Washington, D.C., they really aren't. I drove by their park in that city last Sunday, and all I saw were a couple dozen nice looking tents, and not that many people sitting around. Not much energy whatsoever.

According to Instapundit, Byron York found something similar - except that a lot of those nice tents may now be occupied by homeless, apparently with permission. It appears that it is better for appearances to have someone in the tents over night, than no one. And, this is kinda a good deed, on the part of the D.C. Occupiers. So, it is a win-win - the protesters get the appearance of occupying D.C., the homeless get to stay in a nice tent, and the protesters get to go home to their nice warm beds at night.

Carol_Herman said...

You know what I see? Media hype!

And, for some reason ... only one age group shows up!

Certainly not like the Tea Party! Nobody who sports grey hair ... would want to camp out, even overnight. To get a message across to the lug heads in DC.

While in England. At St. Paul's. Where permission was actually granted to allow the "encampment" ... I learned the the European Union means England now has unemployed bums from Germany! And, Denmark. Coming to St. Paul's to hang out and drink beer. They don't need youth hostels. You have to pay at youth hostels.

The other thing worth noticing?

ALL the idiots you see have CREDENTIALS! Bought by taking out loans! And, they had professors who taught garbage ... And, somehow these morons did, in fact, graduating. Owning nothing more than a piece of paper. And, at a minimum $150,000 in student loans.

How did all this crap collect?

Easy. Western nations outlawed the draft.

(Now you know why a country needs a draft! You need the sargeants in the military to kick some sense into the "testosterone" crowd.

Famine, ahead, will fix this problem, somewhat.

n.n said...

At best, they have provided implicit immunity to authoritarian interests, in exchange for prosecuting corruption in the private sector. To excuse or overlook corruption in the public sector, which is funded through involuntary exploitation, and maintains a granted authority over the people, is near-sighted and is not in anyone's best interest.

The OWS movement is both right and wrong. Their concerns are premised on common perceptions, and limited, circumstantial evidence. Their priorities are wrong.