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Birthers, deathers and Trump!
One largish difference Althouse; some of the "deathers" will be terrorists.
I'm no conspiracy theorist, but why on earth did we bury him at sea? That's just asking for trouble.
I hadn't realized that the announcement occurred during Trump's TV show. (snicker)
Shiloh....Obama could get a loyal following here if he would stop the 24/7 lying he uses to re-distribute the community. President Liar's skills is the reason a man like Trump is needed in politics as the antidote.
Crabs have to eat too. And sea leaches. I assume there is photographic and other evidence of Osama's remains.
Let's call it what it is. Oceanic pollution.
Therer has always been the cautious thought that capturing Osama would make him a Martyr...so they killed him, Or that burying his body would become a memorial to him...so they deep sixed it.
I think the right thing to do all around would have been to return the body to the Saudi authorities. That way 1) we let his own people and his own religious authorities bury him, so we get kudos from the Muslim community, and 2) there would have been independent reporting from a 3rd party (the Saudis) verifying our kill.This assumes, of course, that the Saudis would have co-operated, and that we really did kill OBL.
Yeah, hopefully the burial at sea was only a portion of his body....Why not just keep him for a while so everyone can see his dead body.
I am guessing that if this had happened on Bush's watch, MyDD's Charles Lemos's reaction would be "I question the timing".
Obama could get a loyal following here if he would stop the 24/7 lying he uses to re-distribute the community.Conservatives at Althouse becoming loyal Obama followers under any circumstances.hmmAs Judy Tenuta would say, It could happen!Not!>And trust me on this ~ Trump will not lead conservatives to the promised land, again, under any circumstances lol.
I'm sure we took DNA samples. And the operatives involved probably cut off a few choice pieces as souvenirs. Hope so, anyway.
I'm no conspiracy theorist, but why on earth did we bury him at sea? That's just asking for trouble.They didn't want his grave to be some monument to militants which makes sense. What doesn't make sense is when they keep saying Osama didn't represent Islam and then turn around and state he was buried in accordance with Islamic tradition.
Shiloh - dude. Ann is back in the clutches of Obama. Calm down.
Best pre-emptive answer I've seen to those who're doubting OBL's death:"And for those asking, "But why didn't they do X, Y, and Z just to dispel our doubts?" the answer is, they don't care about your doubts."Amen, man.
Sloanasaurus....Best Obama move would been to bring Osama's head back and have it mounted it on the White House iron fence so the visiting Saudi Sheiks to see it.
(The Crypto Jew)I'm no conspiracy theorist, but why on earth did we bury him at sea? That's just asking for trouble. Ask Yuri Andropov about that…..he reburied Hitler…the Soviets didn’t release where they stuffed Der Fuhrer for JUST that reason, it was not to be a shrine to neo-Nazi’s. I would have cremated him, after photographing and autopsying and collecting DNA samples and scattered him over the Atlantic.As to turning the body over to the Saudi’s someone said we’d get good PR from Muslims, what are you HIGH? Look if you like UBL, then NOTHING we did is going to make you like us…I’m sure all the throat-gargling Mullahs around the world would all have said, “Oh at least they turned the body over to his family for burial. Well then, even though they are kuffirs and let their womyn parade around like wh0res, and they flood the world with their pRon, and they let gays walk their streets, NOW we like them.”
I would have put his head on a pike outside the front door of the White House.
So when they say he was "buried at sea", does that mean they just throw overboard with an anchor tied to him? I doubt they'd want this guy washing up on some shore somewhere.
@Smilin' Jack - The thought of a Seal walking around showing his buddies Osama's dick just made my Monday.
Efficient disposal of the corpse of this particular enemy strikes me as being very... American. We set out to kill Bin Laden. We spent years and billions doing so. Good men and women sacrificed themselves for that cause. Now dump the garbage, and don't make a big deal of it.I think that's entirely appropriate. It's pointless to plan our day around what the deathers/terrorists might do in response, because they don't need a reason to do what they want to do, anyway.
I doubt they'd want this guy washing up on some shore somewhere.I wouldn't worry yourself garage. The Navy has that part pretty well figured out. /faceroll
I'm sure there are pictures of OBL dead.There were pictures of Che, the Hussein boys, and Pablo Escobar.I'm not byuing the burrial at sea bit. Makes no sense.
@joe,It's not the jihadis we need to impress, Joe. It's the great middle of the Muslim world who would see the abuse of the corpse even a dead Muslim rotter like OBL by infidels as an insult. Or, are you one of those folks who sees picking a fight with 1.3 billion of the world's inhabitants as a winning proposition?
I've been banned by myDD.So, I can't go over there and break the news.
I wouldn't worry yourself garage. The Navy has that part pretty well figured out. Not worried. Was just curious.
(The Crypto Jew)It's not the jihadis we need to impress, Joe. It's the great middle of the Muslim world who would see the abuse of the corpse even a dead Muslim rotter like OBL by infidels as an insult. Or, are you one of those folks who sees picking a fight with 1.3 billion of the world's inhabitants as a winning proposition? You know what is even MORE impressive to the mass of Moderate Muslims…a DEAD USAMA. Backing the Strong Horse….And I’m not “picking a fight” it seems they picked a fight with ME. And a nice burial for Usama, like killing Usama works for Obama, works for today…Gays, pRon, Womyn dressed wh0res, will be there to rankle the Dar al-Islam long after Usama’s nice burial, and good treatment…so unless you’ve got a plan to put potato sacks on your girlz, ban Anna Nicole Smith pictures, and start stoning a few gays, Muslims are going to be “unhappy” with the West…and some of those unhappy Muslims will turn to violence. So I really don’t care what the moderates think, I don’t think we can run our lives based on the “Ideals of others” and have anything close to a Western life.
I've got to admit, my first reaction was "I don't believe it", but then I reminded myself that such a conspiracy would require the cooperation of entirely too many people, many of whom are not ideologically on the same side. It was just a reflexive unwillingness to give the President credit for anything good happening on his watch. And of course, I wanted the Army to get the kill.So, with that bit of sour grapes aside, my congratulations, to the SEALS, the intelligence agents, for their operational expertise, and for the President for his willingness to use boots on the ground rather than yet another drone attack.
Are the Moslems going to buy, "Well, we can prove it's him by his DNA"?If they watch CSI at all, it's probably to tell each other what a shameless bunch of sluts women like Emily Procter are.garage mahal said...So when they say he was "buried at sea", does that mean they just throw overboard with an anchor tied to him? I doubt they'd want this guy washing up on some shore somewhere.Excellent point, but I believe the body is weighted in a burial at sea.
There's another problem with bin Laden. Apparently the body washed ashore in Hawaii. The Governor says he's seen it but he's refusing to release it...
Is someone going to demand that we see a long form death certificate?
(The Crypto Jew) Is someone going to demand that we see a long form death certificate? I believe Trump is demanding it, along with any records of whether or not Obama used nickels or dimes to pay for his lunch milk…and NO PDF’s the form must be mailed to each US citizen, personally.
Even if we'd kept the body, put it on display, and did DNA analysis to prove it was him - people would still say it was all faked.It ain't worth the effort of trying to convince some people.(Hell, even if he'd been taken alive, tried, proudly said he did it all, and went defiantly to the gallows calling out encouragement to his followers in Arabic with his own accent, people would still say it wasn't really him.)
The problem is more that Muslim fanatics who will not believe it. And how someone could claim to be Osama and try to continue his work.Hopefully they did an autopsy and a full forensic workup including dental records and what not that they will release to the world so independant experts can verify it was indeed Osama.What are the chances that this administration will release these records?
A local radio station running a poll this morning said 75% said they didn't believe bin Laden was really killed. The way this was done will raise questions for years.
Nobody going to make any comments about the first 10 minutes of "You Only Live Twice"?
He is waiting with the 12th imam at the bottom of a well.
I'm sorry but the burial at sea is bull. Sure Obama and his fanatical fans will try to laugh this off as the ravings of racist lunatics, but everyday people wanted proof, esp since it's been so long.I was on Yahoo news, and people were saying just that; that while they never believed in any conspiracy theories (trutherism, et al) this overboard thing is making them wonder.No matter what we do, we are a target because we killed bin Laden. No amount of Muslim appeasement will appease those who want revenge and/or fill his shoes. So perhaps it was best for O to show the corpse to Americans. Because not every American is a hard boiled lib or con or racists. They just want the right to see it
Dadvocate,which radio station was that?this is not to mock
They probably just snatched him and are waterboarding him at this very moment. Later they will drop him into the ocean. That is why we have a CIA in the first place.
Sabinal is right. Obama botched the PR on this. This is the closest thing to tangible evidence they've provided so far ("Joe, please try to look awake"). Bush would have been waving the bloody turban from the podium.
I don't know about the bloody turban, but you would expect something so important to everyone (esp the Obama Admin, since the economy is in the tank and as an obligation to the 9/11 survivors) to provide more evidence to the public, such as having Senators and Represenatives viewing the body (very top secret) and evidence for themselves b/4 announcing that we got him. i believe we caught him, but the removal risks of being Birthgate v2.0 esp. if we end up in an official recession.
I for one demand a burial at sea certificate. And it had better be laminated this time.
Sabinal is right. You can use pejoratives ("deathers") for anyone who would dare question the line we've been fed, but that doesn't answer their concerns. A hasty - and complete - disposal of the evidence just doesn't give me a whole lot of comfort that the official story is true, particularly given the timing in relation to Pakistan telling us to get the heck out, the economy, and other recent diversions. I would love to jump on board and take patriotic satisfaction in this, but there are too many unanswered questions at this point.
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