In an effort to replicate the tea party's success, 170 liberal and civil rights groups are forming a coalition that they hope will match the movement's political energy and influence. They promise to "counter the tea party narrative" and help the progressive movement find its voice again after 18 months of floundering.First, that doesn't even sound like something that, if successful, would help the President. I think "Change, But Not So Much" would be more popular. Second, an awful lot of Americans hear "One Nation" and immediately — because of the Pledge of Allegiance — think "Under God," and that evokes a more conservative political ideology. But what really gets me is the Washington Post presenting this story as if it hadn't already been done before, with the once-hyped, now invisible Coffee Party movement. Maybe the MSM shouldn't just pass along PR about a hoped-for new movement as if it's already something happening.
The large-scale attempt at liberal unity, dubbed "One Nation," will try to revive themes that energized the progressive grassroots two years ago. In a repurposing of Barack Obama's old campaign slogan, organizers are demanding "all the change" they voted for -- a poke at the White House.
Now, to be fair, One Nation is different from the Coffee Party. The Coffee Party was an attempt to copy the grassroots approach of the Tea Party movement. Phony. But attempted. One Nation is a top-down effort. It's hard to see how it's much of anything at all other than a cry for attention.
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And I'm sure we'll see the same level of overwhelming success as Janean Garofalo, Al Franken, et. al. demonstrated in the now triumphant success - nay the broadcasting juggernaut - that is Air America. Oh. Wait. Never mind.
And don't forget that the Coffee Party was itself a second effort after the failure of the...I can't remember their name but for a little while I was on their facebook group.
Rewriting history is second nature to liberals. Afterall, history is written by the winners and they dearly wish they were winners.
Liberals...symbolism over substance every single time.
What do we do about a media industry that is so completely in the tank for Pelosi and Obama and leftist perspectives?
It's OK. I forgot about the "Coffee Party," too.
Seriously, you don't launch an insurgent movement when you are in charge. Activism is what you do when your side loses the election.
It's still OK, though. Liberals should be able to go back to fighting the system soon. It's like they don't want to be in charge.
Reading that article was a waste of time.
"What do we do about a media industry that is so completely in the tank for Pelosi and Obama and leftist perspectives?"
You do just what's being done. You let it die from acute disinterest and distrust, a victim of its own bias and ineptitude.
They promise to "counter the tea party narrative" and help the progressive movement find its voice again after 18 months of floundering.
"Narrative". Maybe it would help if you moved the narrativistas out of important organizing positions, folks. Uh huh, it's all about the "narrative". Yeah, you've just got to "reframe", people. Sheesh, they never learn.
I wonder what percent of those "170 liberal and civil rights groups" in their coalition receive public funds, compared to tea party orgs. I know I always warm to a "narrative" that I'm involuntarily bankrolling.
The next thing the Liberal Media will discover and headline is a Progressive Alaskan super star that has a real family and shoots moose and wolves, but who also really loves every Marxist Fifth Columnist trick of the day. It appears to be a "replacement strategy" that shoves real people and real events aside with a phony substitute dressed up in their clothes. Now which one is the real political movement and which one is the fake one? It reminds me of a TV Game show in which 3 people all claimed to be the same interesting person.
Why not launch a liberal activist group based on the actual concerns of actual people? Like jobs, or... jobs. Or maybe jobs. It seems to me that liberals could pressure Congress, too.
At some point it's not about narrative but reality.
Phony. But attempted.
Heh. Lefty snark bait. I think this is why I like this site so much.
From the article:
we felt it urgent to organize the majority of this country, which voted in 2008 and has gone back to the couch," said Benjamin Jealous, president of the NAACP. "We've been split off in different directions."
The groups involved represent the core of the first-time voters who backed President Obama -- including the National Council of La Raza, NAACP, AFL-CIO, SEIU and the United States Student Association.
The problem Mr. Jealous (I'm not making that up) is that you all belong to different directions.
"In an effort to replicate the tea party's success, 170 liberal and civil rights groups are forming a coalition that they hope will match the movement's political energy and influence."
Cause that's just how the Tea Party started - a bunch of pre-existing, nationally known, top-down groups getting together to form a coalition. Right.
Actually, upon reading the article, it looks like the only one comparing the effort to the Tea Parties is the WaPo reporter. Surprise. The participants seem to know exactly what they're doing. They're forming a coalition of the same tired groups they always form coalitions with. There's no new blood, as with the Tea Parties, involved.
"In forming the coalition, the groups struggled to settle on a name. Even now, two of the major players disagree about who came up with the idea of holding a march this fall."
Again, no relation to the Tea Parties, which sprang up nearly overnight and didn't need three months of negotiation to pick a name. It's the difference between a true grass roots movement (which even now doesn't have one leader, one organization or one policy platform) and just another centrally-planned, leftist, bureaucratic movement. Which one is likely to have more energy?
this sort of thing is the most blatant examples of liberal media bias. With conservative, or at least anti-democrat, movements, the pattern is the same. First they ignore, then if they can't ignore, demonize. and if that fails, then try to drum up support for a liberal/dem imitation. they didn't care about the tea party movement when it was just starting. and they will never demonize these people the way they did the tea partiers.
Why not launch a liberal activist group based on the actual concerns of actual people?
Good question. It seems to me that lefties like the concept of the people more than actual people.
Reminds me of how Fearless Leader was at his best when he was President-elect as opposed having to be an actual president.
One Nation will be a lot more sucessful than Coffee Party. Democrats are good at top-down structures, as it is in their heart to rule and control others and defeat the forces of freedom and liberty. When they tried the grassroots Coffee Party, it was a cyncial attempt to be something they are not. One Nation though will likely be funded by rich, controlled by rich, and organized to activate sleeper cells of idiots and morons. In that respect, it is bound to be more sucessful than Coffee Party, but it is hard to see how it will be different than moveon.org or obama.gov.
"One Nation" is a massive misnomer, since what is Progressivism but using government power to reward favored groups at the expense of others?
. . . including the National Council of La Raza, NAACP, AFL-CIO, SEIU and the United States Student Association . . .
These people are in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens.
Which nation does "One Nation" refer to?
One Nation, under Marx, race-divisible, with mediocre health care for all.
(Am I the Jewish One)
FINALLY a group to put you racist Tea-Baggers in your place....
Soon you will feel the Progressive wrath and Righteous Indignation and your pathetic little movement disappear like ice cream on the hot pavement!
So it is written; so let it be done.
"In forming the coalition, the groups struggled to settle on a name. Even now, two of the major players disagree about who came up with the idea of holding a march this fall."
It's a good thing they're starting with the big issues. It would be a shame to waste time on stuff that doesn't matter.
They were torn between "Ein Volk" and "Ein Fuhrer," and compromised.
Why not launch a liberal activist group based on the actual concerns of actual people?
Hey Goob-Face, these ARE the actual concerns of people!
Sure the People may not know it, yet...but we'll inform them of their actual concerns.
In the interim we will act, on their behalf, to meet their actual concerns.....
If you people would get out of the way it would be a LOT easier...
For a while the question was can the right and independents maintain momentum until November. Now we see that that fear was unfounded as Obama, Holder and their hard core cohorts are pushing every hot button issue they can find on a daily basis, in an effort to stem the fleeing of their base.
In an effort to stay alive they are furiously fanning the flames of their own demise...delicious.
AllenS said....The problem Mr. Jealous (I'm not making that up) is that you all belong to different directions.
Reading the article, I was going to make the opposite point. The reporter and Ann could save some digital ink by using fewer terms for the same world view:
Liberal = Civil Rights = Progressive = Democrat = Leftist
Anglelyne said...
I wonder what percent of those "170 liberal and civil rights groups" in their coalition receive public funds, compared to tea party orgs. I know I always warm to a "narrative" that I'm involuntarily bankrolling.
I was thinking the same thing. All these 170 groups are "non-partisan" tax exempt arms of the Dems as indicated by the last line in the article:
"They are calling the Democratic party back to what has been the pattern of successful liberalism in the 20th century," McGerr said."
A Conservative Teacher said...
One Nation will be a lot more sucessful than Coffee Party. Democrats are good at top-down structures, as it is in their heart to rule and control others and defeat the forces of freedom and liberty.
Leftists are always agile in that regard. Think back to how fast the American Communist party could go from being Pro-Nazi/Anti-British to Anti-Fascist/pro-ally in a single day in June 1941 after the USSR was invaded. Amazing how that works :)
They're not necessarily under God. They could be under a groove, gettin' down just for the funk of it.
In One Nation, 170 liberal and civil rights groups are forming a coalition that will "counter the tea party narrative".
Plan:
1) Control the media. Wait. We already do that.
OK.
2) Intimidate and threaten to beat the shit out of white people who try to vote. Wait. We already do that, too.
How about...
3) Give out free bread, circuses and healthcare.
But, they have free bread, circuses aplenty, and now free Medicare.
Godammit, what the hell is wrong with you people?
Here we give you all this free shit, and still you can't stop bitching!
OK, OK. That does it.
4) Jail dissenters. Execute the most successful ones, the rest will be sent to Siberia, er, Wasilla.
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Ungrateful worms.
Get back to work for Uncle Sam. He loves you and wants you to give 110% for the New 5 year plan.
I believe the phrase, "We have always been at war with Oceania", applies here.
lucid said...
What do we do about a media industry that is so completely in the tank for Pelosi and Obama and leftist perspectives?
Infiltrate it the way they did and take it away from them.
I'd go with the Ein Volk party, for top-down.
Others have said it before me but my first thought was "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer." I hate Illinois Nazis!
I suggest One Nation, über alles.
Well at least the name is appropriately opposite of the Tea Party. They honor the patriots who wanted to separate America and Britain into two nations. Apparently the groups comprising "One Nation" want to honor the American Tories who opposed that.
Repeat after me, "One Nation. Oooommmm. One Nation. Oooommmm. One Nation. Oooommmm. One Nation. Oooommmm."
Give me a beat Will.I.Am.
"One Nation. Oooommmm"
Ann Althouse, you speak in ignorance. You really do not understand the Coffee Party. You've bought into the Limbaugh line that it's a creation of the Obama camp because she once volunteered on his campaign.
It's intentionally DIFFERENT than the TP/rebranded Republicant Party.
* They have made civility a top priority - the opposite of the highly uncivil Tea Party.
* They have chosen a couple issues to work on, including financial reform. And they've been working on that.
* They use humor, unlike the humorless prigs of the TP.
Just because they do not have a news network shilling for them, as Faux NEws has done for the the TP, doesn't mean they cease to exist.
This morning's post on the Coffee Party Facebook page, to shed a little light into the darkness of ignorance:
" Dear Candidates, Incumbents and Party Leaders, In this election, please find a way of campaigning without deliberately triggering anger, hatred and fear. Please avoid contributing to the DISUNITING of America. It is the last thing we need in a time of two wars, an environmental catastrophe and an economic crisis. We wi...ll hold accountable those who engage in the politics of division. We will support those who offer facts, civility and solutions. We choose to be united as a People and refuse to be divided. We hereby Declare Our Unity...Please sign the Coffee Party Declaration of Unity."
I'm thinkin' the "Pod People" would be more appropriate, i.e., "Group-think R Us."
One Nation Without Coffee Party.
The Coffee Party said:
"please find a way of campaigning without deliberately triggering anger, hatred and fear. "
This is the complete opposite of the Tea Party.
please find a way of campaigning without deliberately triggering anger, hatred and fear."
Better keep the Democrats they support off the campaign trail then. Currently all they have to sell is anger, hatred and fear.
It's all they have ever had to sell.
"please find a way of campaigning without deliberately triggering anger, hatred and fear. "
Something the left has been utterly incapable of thus far.
Go to any forum the left dominates and see, it's what they do.
" Dear Candidates, Incumbents and Party Leaders, In this election, please find a way of campaigning without deliberately triggering anger, hatred and fear. Please avoid contributing to the DISUNITING of America.
Somebody going to tell Obama that?
He regularly threatens folks he doesn't like with demagoging images of pitchforks and torches
- Business Owners
- Bond Holders
- Doctors
- Insurance types
- Bankers
- Oil companies
- Republicans
- Arizona
- Israel
We will hold accountable those who engage in the politics of division.
So why aren't they picketing Obama, Reid, and Pelosi?
[P]lease find a way of campaigning without deliberately triggering anger, hatred and fear.
But the things that are triggering "anger" and "fear" are the policies of Obama, Reid, and Pelosi. As Peggy Noonan perceptively pointed out months ago, people are frightened. And they have reason to be. They want stability, and this is something they manifestly aren't getting from Obama, Reid, and Pelosi, and the people who are water-carriers for Obama, Reid, and Pelosi (e.g., you, Alpha).
This coalition is part of Obama's efforts to seize the economy so that he can redistribute wealth to his client groups, thus increasing his own power and importance.
What he doesn't reaize is that he is killing the portion of the economy that actually produces the wealth he wants to redistribute.
"lucid":
This coalition is part of Obama's efforts to seize the economy so that he can redistribute wealth to his client groups, thus increasing his own power and importance.
This is satire, right? I mean, I know it's absurd, but I hope you're joking. Because it sounds crazy.
When I think "One Nation" I either think Pauline Hanson of Australia (vaguely racist anti-immigrant), or I think George Clinton and P-Funk.
AlphaLiberal, you need to stop engaging in the politics of division by spreading anger, hatred, and fear of the Tea Partiers.
"Because it sounds crazy."
Sure does.
Not untrue, just crazy.
Big Mike:
Think back to October, 2008. After eight years of Republican domination of our federal decision making and implementation of Republican policies.
Is that the stability you're talking about?
The Bush Republicans devastated the country. You want to get back in power and fuck American all over again.
You have no shame.
So, Pogo, you agree with New Ham that the Jews are sticking it to Mel Gibson here? You're a bit vague on that point.
Just that you are a typical liberal misanthrope, AL, one that wants to put your foot on the average citizen's neck, you goddamned fascist.
AL,
You mean 2006 (or January of 2007 to be precise) as the Dems. have controlled both houses of congress, and therefore all major decisions, since then.
Hey, now that I think about it that is roughly the same time period that the deficit exploded and the economy started to tank.
Must just be a coincidence.
Don't take may posts as a defense of the Republicans but more as a method of shooting down AL's attempts to try and whitewash the Dems' hands in this mess.
"You want to ... fuck American all over again. "
What patriot wouldn't?
After reading AL's Coffee Party Facebook twaddle I had an intense craving to sing Kumbaya and smoke a joint, but it passed.
The only thing scaring people these days is the coalition of Chicago-style extortionists, unreformed Marxists, and incompetent ideologues currently shredding the Constitution so they can scratch the back of whatever special interest gave them the most election cash.
November can't come soon enough.
One Nation is a coalition of racists and pedophiles. Hey Alpha, typical to see a leftist like yourself in support of such hatful ignorance and peversion. When do you get your armband, you little jack-booted boy-lover?
You have no shame.
Damn right. I guess even a blind pig can find an acorn.
Apparently your history books go back only two years. Mine go back much longer, and one of the interesting items in my history book is that just as Obama can claim to have inherited a recession from Bush, Bush can equally claim to have inherited a recession from Clinton. But unlike Obama, Bush applied the normal remedies -- tax cuts, business-friendly policies -- and the recession, though longer than most, stayed very shallow.
By contrast, the hyper-Keynsian stimulus package concocted by Reid and Pelosi and signed into law by Obama has only two benefits -- money in the pockets of Democrat constituency groups, and it may once and for all* put the nail in the coffin for the mistaken policies of John Maynard Keynes.
Or, to simplify things for you, Obama may have inherited a recession, but everything he and Reid and Pelosi have done since then has made it worse, and not better. And real people have started to work that out.
I've said it numerous times before, but it bears repeating even so. You get rid of unemployment by making it easy and profitable for a business to hire more people. I don't know what they teach in Ivy League schools these days when the likes of Larry Summers, Tim Geithner, and Barack Obama don't get something as obvious as that. Yet Barack Obama's policies are calculated to make it risky for a business to hire more people, and -- as small business owners who sometimes comment here have tried to point out to you -- some of the fine print in the Obamacare legislation encourage small businesses to downsize and lay people off.
So anyway, welcome to the fellowship of the shameless. There's a seat over in the corner next to a Treasury Secretary who is supposed to be a financial genius but who claims that he's too dumb to work TurboTax.
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* I had thought that Nixon's statement "We are all Kenysians now" would have amply demonstrated that Kenysian economics are BS. But apparently not.
The Washington Post ran a story based on a press release. They just added a few anecdotes and quotes.
Forget the ideology (left, right, whatever) behind this new movement. If we can even call it that.
This is simply not a story worthy of running.
Feh. Ptooey.
wv: pitist
One Nation is committed to ensuring that ... have access to their abundant supplies of energy, without the price impacts of OPEC, foreign exchange, excise taxes & flawed Kyoto accords. ... One Nation rejects Globalisation, Mass Immigration, the Destruction of our industries, the export of our jobs ... One Nation will ensure that our identity and national sovereignty are not undermined. ... One Nation will take a tough line on all crime. Distribution and use of drugs are a criminal offence and will be treated as such, free needles and other forms of encouragement will cease. We will have truth in sentencing and equality in justice. We will ensure its the criminal that suffers not the victims, and people have the right to defend their property, and to be safe in their homes or on the street, especially our seniors. One Nation believes in restoring the authority of the family and that responsible parents should not have their authority eroded by frivolous legislation or UN treaties. We recognise that the best support we can give to any family is support that keeps the marriage and family unit intact.
One Nation is a far-right and nationalist political party in Australia.
The irony
They won't be able to replicate the Tea Party's success because these are already organized groups trying to create an astro turf version of the Tea Party movement. They may or may not have some success but it won't be a replication. It's just be another liberal political action organization.
Isn't the Democratic Party already a coalition of these various liberal interest groups?
This "One Nation" thing seems redundant.
This Summer...
Alpha Liberal
IS
Baghdad Bob!
"I love the smell of astroturf in the morning. It smells like...it smells like victory."
AlphaLiberal said...
Ann Althouse, you speak in ignorance. You really do not understand the Coffee Party. You've bought into the Limbaugh line that it's a creation of the Obama camp because she once volunteered on his campaign.
It's intentionally DIFFERENT than the TP/rebranded Republicant Party.
* They have made civility a top priority - the opposite of the highly uncivil Tea Party.
...Because Alpha is unfailingly and unceasingly civil to all the Althouse Hillbillies.
Isn't the Democratic Party already a coalition of these various liberal interest groups?
Sure, to a large degree. And these groups mentioned in the piece coordinate activities all the time. As do groups on the right.
This is just not a story at all.
That there isn't an editor over there to say, "This is nothing" and squash the piece is disappointing.
Coffee Party:
When will those stupid, inbred, knuckledragging, Nazi, racist Tea Baggers be civil like us?
AlphaLiberal said...
* They have made civility a top priority - the opposite of the highly uncivil Tea Party.
Predictably, AL repeats what he is told to say by the MSM, that the Tea Party is composed of hateful, ignorant, racist rednecks whose deepest political thought is hate for a president because his skin is brown. Of course, he (she, it?) has never been to a Tea Party rally and thus has never seen that these large crowds are made up of retired couples, mothers with children, decent, civil, non-violent people whose one hate is for a government bent on taking over their lives and their bank accounts. Reality bites, AL. Why don't you respond to what actually is instead of making stuff up? You really make this too easy.
It seems to me that lefties like the concept of the people more than actual people
Especially people who care about strangers. Say they care about evil and social injustice. Do you only care about the bleeding crowd?
Progressives haven't changed in the last 40 years. They express concern about the bleeding crowd but don't really care about the effects of their practices on the individual.
That's why the Hippie movement in the 60's turned me off. Self centered pretentious twits.
Easy to be hard, easy to be cold.
Nothing says altruism like government employees agitating for higher taxes.
I'll vote for anyone who credibly promises to break the public sector unions.
Dust Bunny Queen said...
That's why the Hippie movement in the 60's turned me off. Self centered pretentious twits.
Right on the money. I know-- I was one of those self-centered pretentious twits. At the time I believed that conservatives were regimented automatons, with their blazers, striped ties, and brylcreemed hair. To some extent this was a fair characterization at the time. I thought that the counterculture believed in the freedom of the individual to be who he wanted to be, to look as he wanted to look, to do what he wanted to do. As time went by, conservatism and liberalism evolved. Liberalism proved that it never was interested in the freedom of the individual, being instead more interested in forcing society to live by its own arbitrary ideas of fairness, without the slightest regard for the practical implications of its fascist policies. On the other hand, conservatism became more receptive to libertarian ideas, and less interested in the length of your hair. In the present day, we see a polar reversal, where liberalism sees no conflict in outlawing opinions other than its own, where skin color other than white entitles you, not to fair treatment, but to preferential treatment.
The fault of the American people is not that their political thought is incorrect, but that it is almost nonexistent. Most people don't decide whom to vote for until election day, if they vote at all. However, when they are forced to think it through they recognize the vacuousness, the danger, of liberalism. I think a lot of self-centered pretentious twits of the present day will become conservatives this November.
"I'll vote for anyone who credibly promises to break the public sector unions."
Amen.
And it will break the Democrats - permanently. Democrats are comprised of only three relatively small special interest groups - Public Sector Unions, Identity Politickers, and Socialists. If we can kick one of those legs out, the entire party will be destroyed.
One Nation of Only Liberal Views is the true moniker of such an endeavor.
Iced Coffee anyone?
Cheers!
My impression was that the Tea Party was about economic policies that won't work, and how to get rid of them.
Ordinary people think with a reasonableness test.
Hey, they got the press release and the "inside" tip. Gotta do something with it.
Here's a simple fact: the brainpower of those involved in One America vastly exceeds the combined brainpower of teapartiers. They're just smarter. The standard teaparty response isn't to look inward and realize that they aren't bright and need help; instead, it's to smear and enable their own stupidity. And, well, that's stupid.
For the facts about them that you won't hear from their supporters (including Althouse) and their other opponents, see my tea parties coverage.
Let’s see, The [T]axed [E]nough [A]lready Party was “astro-turf” according to botox-bomb biyotch Nancy-kins.
Feminazis United to get Into the Masters’ Gulf Club and Air America and the Coffee Party were all spontaneous movements of the disenfranchised SEIU slackers and AFT illiterate mentors & layabout lawyers.
Ha Ha Ha Ha! These lazy union go-slow retardos don’t have the energy to organize a gang-bang in the House of the Rising Sun!!! Their hustler sponsor Demo-rat instigators are media mental-cripples and shyster lawyers at their sides. Contessa Brewer & Andy Sullivan propped up by Lawrence Tribe & latter-day Kunstler wannabes.
It’s the media, academicide, Hollyweird, legal-beagle, numbnut politicos who believe that the tiny 20% libtard arrested-development minority are going to begin a righteous insurrection, isn't it? Since when did lemmings and other rodents get ambitious?
One Nation is a far-right and nationalist political party in Australia.
Neo, nuances like IRONY are lost on political commissars like Alfalfa Liberace!!!
LW,
I don't blame you for being pissed at the TP.
When a diverse and decentralized movement fails to acknowledge the genius of a random internet commenter they've never heard of before, it is clearly a sign of their stupidity.
I mean come on, what kind of idiots refuse the advice of a self obsessed birther/truther with a hard-on for Glenn Reynolds. Surely those in the TP are sabotaging themselves by not listening to your constant insults.
Perhaps they'll come to their sense and click one of the thousands of links you've provided back to your site.
One can only pray.
"and organized to activate sleeper cells of idiots and morons."
Well crafted, sir. An honest to goodness lol moment.
@AL
Since other here have already covered my particular points of view on the subject, I'll not lapse into hyperbole as I'm losing a debate on the issue (as you so often do). I'm just going to start with hyperbole for hyperbole's sake and call you out as the blind, sycophantic tool that you are.
Have a great weekend, though.
Should be "senses"
"One Nation" is an odd name for a group that is specifically excluding some people and ideas. "One Nation," unless you disagree with us. Then you aren't part of the nation.
It's the normal "civil" condescension that goes over so well in this country...
jayne_cobb: do you work for js-kit?
Also, everything you said was either a lie or misleading, and it helps illustrate my point. I have never seen a single teapartier with even the glimmer of a clue, and the comments from partiers here confirm that. The partiers aren't just dumb, and they aren't just buffoonishly dumb. They throw being vile and borderline sociopathic into the mix.
Instead of taking the time to lie about me, "jayne_cobb" could have realized just how dumb the 'partiers and Reynolds are and tried to do something about it.
To tie that all together, over a month before the election I sent an open letter to Reynolds and others describing how to defeat Obama. That shortly followed me describing using the same method to get the Khalidi tape with Obama; the last was briefly linked by Malkin, but no one else picked up on either. If they had, things would be different. Instead, supposed Obama opponents like Glenn Reynolds, r/w bloggers, and the 'partiers keep "stepping on the rake" (doing the same stupid things) over and over and over and over.
They're provably incompetent, and that extends to their little enablers like "jayne_cobb".
Why don't you tell us who you really are to spare me the time to research it?
John Lynch: "One Nation" is a lot better than the teaparty habit of implying that anyone who disagrees with them isn't a patriot and the related habit of redbaiting.
The Bush Republicans devastated the country. You want to get back in power and fuck American all over again.
This is the sort of civil, non-divisive rhetoric I'd expect from a member of the Coffee Party.
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Greetings . . .
Allow me to first say, thanks to Ann Althouse for providing this forum.
I've been debating with myself whether or not I should write this comment. Obviously, I outvoted myself and wrote it.
I concluded I absolutely had to tell, not all the commentators, but certain lock-step thinkers and whiners in this blog thread that two wrongs don't make a right--but three left turns do.
Let me begin by saying that some of the whiners around here are like a giant octopus sprawling their slimy rhetoric over city, state, and nation. Like a octopus in real life, they operate under cover of a self-created screed of self-made false realities. The whiners attempt to seize in their long and powerful tentacles our executive officers, our legislative bodies, our schools, our courts, our newspapers, and every agency created for the public protection.
Implying that if these whiners kick the rational thinking folks in the teeth we'll then lick their toes and beg for another kick is no different from implying that feeble-minded, licentious varmints should be given absolute authority to dismantle the cultural bonds of the nation. If the whiners continue to threaten, degrade, poison, bulldoze, and kill this world of ours, the result can be a tone-deafness, a cluelessness, on matters that are at the center of experience for vast segments of the population. Of course, the whiners' irrational monographs have no place in a free, rational, humane society of individual value, individual choice, and individual responsibility.
But there is a further-reaching implication: Everyone ought to read my award-winning essay, "The Naked Aggression of The Whiners" when it's published. In it, I chronicle all of the whiners' ploys from the profligate to the wicked and conclude that no matter what else we do, our first move must be to educate everyone about how the whiners should just exercise some common sense and some common decency. That's the first step: education. Although, education alone is not enough, of course. We must also guide by personal example, by humane and reasonable action, the world into an age of peace, justice, and togetherness.
The most unreasonable sand-baggers you'll ever see may possess a mass of knowledge, but their brains are unable to organize and register the material they have taken in. As I understand it, the whiners claim that they are the experts on everything from aardvarks to zymurgy. Perhaps they have some sound arguments on their side, but if so they're keeping them well hidden. I'd say it's far more likely that most people want to be nice; they want to be polite; they don't want to give offense. And because of this inherent politeness, they step aside and let the whiners coordinate a revolution of irrationality and unreasonableness.
I have the following advice for the whiners : If you can't manage to be grateful for all the things you have, at least have a little dignity, don't whine, and don't expect to be treated like a fragile doll just because you have a theatrically hypersensitive soul and delusions of self-righteous grandeur.
Finally, to those of you who are faithfully helping me deal with these whiners belligerent sophistries on a case-by-case basis, let me extend, as always, my deepest gratitude and my most affectionate regards.
Dog_Knows @ Silly as it Seems . . .
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All right, who's the wise guy who ordered a second Lonewacko?
Easy to be hard
DBQ - great song, great comment.
I tried being a hippie but just couldn't detach myself from reality enough.
Everyone ought to read my award-winning essay, "The Naked Aggression of The Whiners" when it's published.
I've got an unpublished novel as well. Let's go to work, people.
One Nation" is a lot better than the teaparty habit of implying that anyone who disagrees with them isn't a patriot
Unlike Wacko, who has the habit of implying that anyone who disagrees with him loves open borders and can't possibly -- possibly -- affect elections.
This is why we should all listen to Wacko and pay rapt attention to his radical anti-immigration website. Because, with the woeful economy and two wars, the most important thing is getting rid of all the Mexicans. Fewer people equals more growth.
Reading through this thread, Wacko is just hilarious to me. His poor id is just hanging out there for the world to see. He understands at some level that the people who support the Tea Party movement should be his natural allies for his own agenda. But they won't follow him -- won't care about his political fetish. The fact that the people he wants to lead won't follow is driving him to more and more bizarre, brazen insults of the very people he wishes to influence.
If it wasn't so funny it would be a tragedy.
Alpha Liberal, screaming "Twelve years of Reagan-Bush!" didn't work in 1994. Why do you imagine screaming "Eight years of Bush!" will work in 2010?
@AL: Take an aspirin. Ann isn't participating in a conspiracy to bury the Coffee Party. She's just noting that they're already irrelevant.
And let's be fair to the Coffee Party: this is not, strictly speaking, a pathetic failure by the angsty Starbucks-going liberals who formed it. It's a failure on the part of the Democrat/Media complex - the newspapers, television news, and superblogs who ridiculously dragged the Coffee Party into the national spotlight about five minutes after its unnoticed "founding" as an exalted challenger to the Tea Party, which (by contrast) they had by turns studiously ignored and venomously derided for over a year.
The Bush Republicans devastated the country. You want to get back in power and fuck American all over again.
What I think is fascinating about liberal trolls like AL is that they spout this stuff, and expect anyone to believe them. Sure, their allies in the MSM have been saying this for years. The problem, of course, is that it is total fabrication on their part.
It shouldn't be any surprise that something like Seven Machos wouldn't care about the hundreds of thousands of low-skilled, unemployed Americans - mostly black and Hispanic - who would be employed if there were fewer illegal aliens in the U.S.
It's also, of course, lying about my positions. And, of course, it isn't "macho" enough to tell us who it is.
As for its libertarian economic "argument", more skilled legal immigrants and fewer lower-skilled Mexicans would be the correct economic stance if all one cares about is economics. Yet, oddly enough, it isn't advocating for that but for yet more low-skilled, highly-subsidized labor.
Maybe one day Althouse will tell us who it is, if I don't find out in the meantime.
"And let's be fair to the Coffee Party: this is not, strictly speaking, a pathetic failure by the angsty Starbucks-going liberals who formed it. It's a failure on the part of the Democrat/Media complex - the newspapers, television news, and superblogs who ridiculously dragged the Coffee Party into the national spotlight about five minutes after its unnoticed "founding" as an exalted challenger to the Tea Party, which (by contrast) they had by turns studiously ignored and venomously derided for over a year."
Well said, Ghost.
"But the liberal groups have long had a kind of sibling rivalry, jostling over competing agendas"
Competing agendas?
What part of "Por La Raza Todo, Fuera de La Raza Nada" does the WaPo not understand?
One Nation indeed.
And it will break the Democrats - permanently.
A party that successfully shifted pro-white, anti-black racism to pro-black, anti-white racism, and from being enthusiastic proponents of war to enthusiastic opponents of it, is unlikely to be "permanently" broken by anything.
The fact that the people he wants to lead won't follow is driving him to more and more bizarre, brazen insults of the very people he wishes to influence.
Nah, he's been this much of a fruitcake for years. The only relatively new thing is that he's a Birther now.
I have never once argued on behalf of illegal immigrants. I merely and persistently point out to you, Wacko, that most people don't particularly care about immigration. They don't see it as any kind of linchpin issue, the way you do. You froth forth about immigration the way communists froth about class. It's silly.
They have made civility a top priority - the opposite of the highly uncivil Tea Party.
At long last, a political movement that knows its place, and doesn't offend those in power. Just what the world needs.
One Nationa also represents a starnd of paternalistic conservatism in the UK that marries class priviledge and tradition with looking after the little people.
Disraeli coined the term in the 19th Century and Cameron is usually considered a "One Nation" conservative.
They have made civility a top priority - the opposite of the highly uncivil Tea Party.
Civility in the face of intellectual dishonesty is counterproductive in the defense of liberty ... for it gives the dishonesty a false appearance of legitimacy.
The past desire of conservatives to maintain civility - as opposed to their desire to prevent violence, which is still in place -- in the public square has allowed the intellectually-dishonest Progressives to frame the debate in terms of their narrative ... including the placement of themselves as society's intellectual superiors.
History and current events illustrate the fallacy of Progressive intellectual superiority, when it comes to applying intellect to improve the human condition ... yet they insist that they are more "enlightened" than us conservative Neanderthals.
So, AL ...
WE'LL STOP THE YELLIN', WHEN Y'ALL STOP THE LYIN!
The Coffee Party is too blue blooded american party sounding. Many liberals stayed away probably because they thought it was a conservative group, or a traditional values group. They should have called themselves "The Grande Skim Milk Latte with Chai party". then they would have found their true voice and been more popular with their Grande Skim Milk latte with chai brethren.
Alpha Liberal wrote:
" Dear Candidates, Incumbents and Party Leaders, In this election, please find a way of campaigning without deliberately triggering anger, hatred and fear. Please avoid contributing to the DISUNITING of America.
Later on from Alpha:
"The Bush Republicans devastated the country. You want to get back in power and fuck American all over again.
You have no shame."
I guess AL is not part of the coffee party, or more likely feels that he is entitled to bad mouth half the country because he is a liberal. In fact his divisiveness is not even divisiveness, such is the power of liberal beneficence. They can't be divisive as they blame fat cat bankers and George Bush and evil republicans, simply because he is a liberal.
"It is the last thing we need in a time of two wars, an environmental catastrophe and an economic crisis. We wi...ll hold accountable those who engage in the politics of division."
And how will they hold accountable those who engage in the politics of division? By blaming Bush!!!!!!
By ignoring their and their institutions own role in the two wars, the environmental catastrophe and economic crisis and blaming fat cat bankers and deregulation and Bush instead.
They should call the Coffee Party the "I"m Rubber You're Glue" Party. or the "Blame Bush" party.
jr565 ... AL's cognitive dissonance on civility reminds me of this quote:
"We shall reach our goal of
Utopian living, harmony, love, and tolerance-tolerance of all but those who refuse
to worship the image of the man we esteem and glorify today!"
These were the words of Leon Fortunato, the right-hand-man of Antichrist in the Left Behind fiction series ... just after he cremated three regional leaders of the government with lightning before a crowd of millions.
AL, so you are formenting hatred against conservatives?
In Oct 2008, we had just finished the second disastrous year of Democratic Congressional control...and you want to keep these free spending, lazy, job killers in power?
Shame on ypu...assuming you comprehend the concept of shame.
The highest form of flattery.
I was a liberal as an empty headed youth. Even that creamy hippie dude would have run from anything saying obey and help the government fulfill the desires of the democratic party.
Where are our youthful fools who keep power in check? That is a valuable service that fools provide, yet we seem to have lost it to dear leader syndrome. Still fools, just no longer useful to a nation of free people.
"Instead of taking the time to lie about me, "jayne_cobb" could have realized just how dumb the 'partiers and Reynolds are and tried to do something about it."
Your site makes clear that you don't believe Obama is a citizen, and you have made comments suggesting you believe that 9/11 was a govt. conspiracy. You constantly talk about Reynolds and you regularly insult members of the TP (the vast majority of whom I'm pretty sure have never heard of you). On top of this you claim to have some sort of plan which will win the day on any issue (you constantly link to it). And you get pissed when people don't pay you the respect you think your owed.
So please enlighten me as to what I lied about.
"The partiers aren't just dumb, and they aren't just buffoonishly dumb. They throw being vile and borderline sociopathic into the mix."
With such honeyed words how can anyone not not believe you. I do find it funny that the guy who has threatened to investigate my identity (which I really haven't gone to much length to hide) and to sue another commenter here for making fun of him is claiming that others are sociopaths.
should be "you're"
Wacko is his own moby, and I wish him continued success with that. He would threaten to sue you for saying what he does about himself.
AL and other libs who reflexively blame Bush for everything forget to mention that the dems gave Bush an authorization for war in Iraq. The dems declared Afghanistan "The good war" as opposed to "the diversion from the real war on Terror" implying that they would fight The good war and get back on track. They were also previously on board when clinton, a democrat, passed the Iraq Liberation Act which called for regime change and transition to democracy in Iraq IN 1998! And all because of the same rationale that Bush used later on. Namely that Iraq had WMD's or was actively pursuing the capablities to get WMD's, that containment was breaking down and that a transition to democracy was possible. Also, all the resolutions the UN passed vis a vis Iraq (numbering 15 or so) PRIOR to Bush taking office all pointed to Iraq's non compliance and all were done under Clintons watch and the democrats nose.
Even now, Obama has escalated in Afghanistan (which has lasted longer than any war we've ever fought and which is, no doubt increasing terror according to lib talking points).
On the economy, while the dems reflexivel blame Bush it should be noted that the dems had control of Congress for two years prior to Obama taking office and that was roughly the time the economy has turned to shit. And the dems are the overseers of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (not to mention the recipients of the most largesse of those organizations). They promoted the ideas of bans lowering the standards to get houses for years, starting with Clinton, and pushed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to get even further into these junk mortgages. And even now refuse to even look at regulating FM/FM even though they keep talking about how we need more regulations more regulations. ALso, when Bush was trying to get some regulation of the two entities that had a large part in bringing down our housing market, it was dems that were the road block. Barney Frank was out there saying that Fannie Mae was facing no financial crisis, and he and his cohorts blocked any reform until the whole house of cards collapsed.
Ah, but it was Phil Gramm and his deregulation of the banks that caused all this. I remember you libs trotting out that old chestnut when Mccain had Graham as part of his election committee.AL, which president was in charge when that bill was passed? and which president pushed for that bills passage and took credit for the economy because of said Bill's passage? Why yes, it was BIll Clinton, a democrat. And he was championed again by a who's who of prominent democrats along with republicans who had been championing deregulation of banks for decades (Chuck Shumer as one big example springs to mind).
So the dems had their hands in FM/FM, had their hands in deregulation, took full credit for the economy under Clinton (why? Because of the booming housing market and the deregulation which opened up the economy) called Iraq the bad guy, passed a law to suggest that regime change was necessary and democracy in Iraq was possible.
And yet you, AL, and all your cohorts keep saying it's all Bushs's fault.They hypocricy coming from your side has to be the biggest, perhaps in history, but certainly in the last 50 years.
I'd be perfectly willing to say that deregulation, at the time CLinton passed it, was a good idea, and was fulling supportive of Clinton and Bush dealing with Iraq the way it did, because at least it was consistent.
But it takes a particular brand of rogue to be so two faced as to demonize one side for all the faults, while also suggesting that their side has moved past such gutter politics, while at the same time completely ignoring their role in that which they demonize simply to score political points.
jr565 - not even close - the Indian wars lasted for close to 300 years. The Vietnam war lasted 14 years or so. But nice try...
My favorite part of Wacko's personality is the part where he mixes calling his opponents sociopaths with empty threats to sue them if they don't stop saying mean things about him. :)
I read that blurb from Coffee Party and the one from One Nation and my first thought was that song from Cabaret about "Tomorrow Belongs to Me" with that young boy singing about the future of Nazism. Seems very apropos to the progressive groups that keep cropping up and their methodology and standards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNMVMNmrqJE
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