November 7, 2005

"We're going to destroy everything."

Blogging the riots in France.
"Guys, stop destroying everything, it's pointless, I don't think Bouna and Zyed would be proud of you, avenging them by burning everything, by attacking innocent people."

14 comments:

Wade_Garrett said...

I've gotten two e-mails today from friends in France reassuring me that the disturbances over there are not as bad as the media has made them out to be. Marc, who lives in the suburbs of Paris, reports that not only has he not seen any violence or rioters himself, but none of his friends or coworkers have, either. Maybe it just depends on the neighborhood, but they think too much is being made of the "we're going to destroy everything" quotations,

John Jenkins said...

I can't imagine that the French military or police would actually let violence of the sort that is being portrayed continue for as long as this has so it must be overblown. That said, if it's not, at some point someone in the aforesaid groups will have to drop the hammer and things will get much, much uglier.

vbspurs said...

I've gotten two e-mails today from friends in France reassuring me that the disturbances over there are not as bad as the media has made them out to be. Marc, who lives in the suburbs of Paris, reports that not only has he not seen any violence or rioters himself, but none of his friends or coworkers have, either. Maybe it just depends on the neighborhood, but they think too much is being made of the "we're going to destroy everything" quotations,

Change Paris to New Orleans, and you could've written this post-Katrina.

P.S.: Not in the US media they haven't overblown it. It took DAYS, 7 days, in fact, before the Lehrer Report gave it more than a passing mention. And as I posted in my blog, I timed the "Your World Today" one on CNN last Thursday -- 17 seconds of one hour show.

17 seconds. Your World Today, huh.

Cheers,
Victoria

mrbungle2103 said...
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lindsey said...

Uh, I've read reports where the police are asking for the military to be sent in because they don't have the ability to handle what's happening. As well, the violence seems to be escalating and spreading into Belgium with reports of torched cars in Berlin. There have also been riots in Denmark. And they seem to be shooting at the cops now.

aidan maconachy said...

I don't think minimizing this is particularly instructive of anything other than the geographical location of the person who reported that he had "not seen any violence or rioters himself".

Some are trying to make economic disparities the primary rationale for this outbreak of orchestrated violence in France, and this is far too simplistic. There are a great many communities of indigenous Europeans (of Christian lineage), that suffer high unemployment rates, discrimination and isolation from the mainstream, but I don't see these people organizing campaigns to burn down their nations.

The reason for this violence is rooted in deeper ground than economics and a lack of job opportunity. The fact is, France has been an active partner in the establishment of virtually autonomous Islamic enclaves that owe little or no allegiance to their adopted country. An alarming number of the residents in these enclaves identify with the Islamic umma and their countries of origin, not with the French Republic.

The European Union went along with the Arab League's demands that Muslim immigrants should not be required to adapt the customs of the European host society. Such thinking underpins the social situation in France that has encouraged millions of Muslims to live in what can only be described as a national sub-culture.

The residents of these Muslim enclaves exist in satellite communities with their own indigenous world view. Many regard the society around them as "the enemy" (witness the targeting of government institutions bearing the flag or symbols of authority) and would sooner spit than call themselves "French".

This is a recipe for disaster, and talking about economic disparities completely ignores the truth that many Muslims choose to be distinct and are rioting for reasons that are a lot more complex than the lack of a job.

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AJ Lynch said...

Sounds like there are conflictings reports on the scope of the riots.

For God's sake, when will CNN dispatch Anderson Cooper to sort this out so we can get to the bottom of this?

Surely he will see FEMA's hand in this chaos!

Pastor_Jeff said...

France is a Quagmire!

U.S. out of Europe now!

No blood for Cheese!

vbspurs said...

Sounds like there are conflictings reports on the scope of the riots.

You'd think, given MSM's avowedly sensationalist nature in reporting any chaotic scenes, lingering over them, close-ups, loops, the works.

But at first I thought -- well a few suburbs of Paris. I've been to them: they're a tinderbox of resentment.

Then it was 28 suburbs of Paris.

Last night, it was over 300 cities in France.

That's no exaggeration any more.

And it's ridiculous that this story hasn't been as well covered by MSM as NOLA was.

(I don't mean just the US media, which don't, as mentioned above, overplay foreign news stories -- I mean from the word go, from other news media around the world as well. I have access to the BBC, France2, TVE from Spain, Deutsche Welle from Germany, etc.)

There's a gingerness to this story, that wasn't given to the US' recent tragedy.

For God's sake, when will CNN dispatch Anderson Cooper to sort this out so we can get to the bottom of this?

Or Shep Smith from Fox!

Surely he will see FEMA's hand in this chaos!

We report. You deride. :)

Cheers,
Victoria

vbspurs said...

France is a Quagmire!

U.S. out of Europe now!

No blood for Cheese!


Hey, where's Kofi Anan? Or his son...when you really need them?

Cheers,
Victoria

pnw_conservative said...

Aidan wrote, "[t]he fact is, France has been an active partner in the establishment of virtually autonomous Islamic enclaves that owe little or no allegiance to their adopted country."

For that matter, so has the U.S. We continue to be plagued by the memory of past ills, to the extent that we tolerate everything, in the name of tolerance and diversity. We "celebrate" our differences and fail to emphasize anything than bonds us as a nation and establishes a cultural identity. This is "multiculturalism" run amuck and we are quickly becoming a nation adrift at sea without a rudder.

Paul said...

I was going to use the Kofi Annan angle but was beaten to it, still I'll use my trump card and suggest that here is a situation made for Bono. And John "The French Looking" Kerry.
I don't care which one wants to be Batman but can't they see a need here?

AJ Lynch said...

It's so great to make fun of others' misfortunes- makes me feel like a young wiseass again!