ADDED: Here's a Guardian article about Trump's rally, "'He was sent to us': at church rally, evangelicals worship God and Trump":
“My administration will never stop fighting for Americans of faith,” Trump said at the conclusion of an often freewheeling 75-minute speech. “We will restore the faith as the true foundation of American life.”...And I noticed this:
Friday’s rally, hastily organized in the wake of a stinging Christianity Today editorial last month, recognized Trump’s need to retain the loyalty of the evangelical voting bloc that propelled him to victory in 2016. Four years ago, he won 80% backing from white evangelical voters nationwide.
“In 2016 evangelical Christians went out and helped us in numbers never seen before. We’re going to blow those numbers away in 2020,” Trump said. “I really believe we have God on our side.”
This is called a “laying on of hands,” a practice done by tens of millions of Americans in worship service.— Mike Cernovich (@Cernovich) January 4, 2020
Your bigoted attitude towards mainstream religious practices is what is fueling anti-Semitic violence in New York. https://t.co/7xFnPReZ3P
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We keep Leaving Morality and Tradition in OUR church, and attendance KEEPS RISING
hmmm
I wish they'd reenactment of Blues Brothers church scene.
I bet Trump bikes to work and has a plant on his desk.
At least Trump didn't slap that woman who wouldn't let go of him.
Oh great media, tell us more about how the tax-exempt status of churches should be revoked.
And how you don’t know why Evangelicals still vote for Trump.
"Those fucking evangelicals." ~ Donald J. Trump
When all you have to explain the world is “cult”, perhaps it’s time to put down the press credentials.
Your bigoted attitude towards mainstream religious practices is what is fueling anti-Semitic violence in New York.
The "anti-Semitic violence" is merely mischievous blacks reducing their work-related stress without the benefit of potted plants.
Cernovich us wrong to connect it to anti-semitism, but right to ridicule the reflexive “Trump’s a cult leader/demagogue/fascist” meme.
I know that whenever I am looking for serious, informed and nuanced discussions of Christianity, my go-to source is religious scholar Mike Cernovich. When he's not busy with "Info Wars."
The media doesn’t “get religion” and they are astonishingly uncurious about making any effort to remedy their ignorance.
I can’t imagine why.
The Hasidim live primarily in the Williamsburg and Crown Heights neighborhoods in Brooklyn.
I lived in Ft. Greene Park, next door to Williamsburg in the late 70s.
Black gang harassment of the Hasidim was common back then, and I doubt that it ever stopped. The black gangs harassed whites and Asians who dared to lived in “their” neighborhood, too.
Spike Lee’s wildly racist “Do The Right Thing,” set in Ft. Greene Park in 1989, is a manifesto on the right of blacks to terrorize white businesses. The climactic scene is the looting and arson of the corner store where I shopped. Which was the “right thing.”
I don’t think there’s been any change here. The targeting of the Hasidim is SOP for the black thug kids. The NYC press has just pulled this shit out of the hat, and it’s pretending that the violence is caused by “white supremacists.”
About as unlikely a Holy Alliance as you'll ever see.
To these outsiders every group looks like a cult. To me their reflexive anti-Trumpism is cultish though we generally consider that they possess a mental disorder.
About as unlikely a Holy Alliance as you'll ever see.
Speaking of Cernovich-
The 23 minute film Blood Money will go a long way to explain why you see so much pro-Iranian propaganda is the media right now.
It's bought and paid for.
I tried a laying of hands once in college. She smacked me. (buh-boom)
Thank you! I'll here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress. They work, too. Just not around here. Heh!
looting and arson of the corner store where I shopped
Cities move to ban dollar stores, blaming them for residents’ poor diets.
The Evangelicals finally got tired of the lying politicians Chuck supports and decided to go with the guy who keeps promises. As he said to the blacks, "What have you got to lose ?"
It's connected to anti-Semitism via the media's attitude towards religion. He's absolutely correct about that.
Yes, Trump need to work hard to keep the evangelical vote. Without constant pandering there’s a real risk they could go for Bernie.
Evangelical support for Trump is strictly transactional. He doesn't try to force them to pay for aborting babies and other things that go against their religious beliefs, and they vote for him. I can see why that would confuse a leftist.
Blogger Ron Winkleheimer said...
Evangelical support for Trump is strictly transactional. He doesn't try to force them to pay for aborting babies and other things that go against their religious beliefs, and they vote for him. I can see why that would confuse a leftist.
Exactly. Or an LLR.
“My administration will never stop fighting for Americans of faith,”
As opposed to the other party.
The evangelical choice isn't hard.
aborting babies and other things that go against their religious beliefs
Moral beliefs. Yes. Human rights, baby Ironically, one of the few things (i.e. human life) that science can affirm and there is no [social] consensus.
Laying on of hands is a foundational doctrine of the Christian Church ( Hebrews 6: 1-2) which is the transmission of the Holy Spirit anointing to a leader for a task to be carried out. They (the Church in assembly) are sending out a person to accomplish something and empower him for it with that act.
Note: that the power is in the church and has been since Peter's speech at Pentecost. The Church is the power in the act. The man/woman is the selected servant for a task.
Think of it as FDR laying hands on Chester Nimitz in December, 1941. FDR empowered him to go out to the Pacific Ocean and don't come back until the Japanese Empire has surrendered to the United States Navy and its Marines. And that's exactly what he did because he was fully empowered by the USA.
Chuck said...
"Those fucking evangelicals." ~ Donald J. Trump
1/4/20, 6:51 AM
You have quoted this before. Did you ever answer my questions about it? If I remember correctly, the last time you used it, there wasn't any way to tell if it was meant as demeaning, temporary frustration, an intensifier, or just a filler word. You linked to the text of the book that time and it seemed that the only way Trump's intent was known was through the mind reading abilities of the person relating the quotation.
Do you have more, or are you just going to keep quoting it like a small child who just learned to say a naughty word?
Mary Beth: I suspect if Trump said anything like that at all (very much in doubt, considering the source), it was probably used about a subset of "evangelicals" that were nothing of the kind, just leftists posing as evangelicals to undermine them from within, like they do to every other institution. You know, like screaming leftist anti-Trump "veterans". I think Trump very clearly loves the troops and they return the sentiment, but if he said "fucking veterans" about the tiny subset that the Left regularly trots out as bullshit #Resistance, I wouldn't blame him.
Chuck is very very busy trying to source the the origin of his latest lie. Give him some space.
Any self-professed Christian who believes Trump was "sent to them" by divine forces shows complete ignorance of the very faith they profess.
So, Mr Cook, do you consider yourself a self-professed Christian? If not, how can you even consider what a Christian would profess.
Robert Cook: "Any self-professed Christian who believes Trump was "sent to them" by divine forces shows complete ignorance of the very faith they profess."
Marxists lecturing Christians on their faith.
FakeCon pro-dem anti-evangelical LLR's trying to persuade evangelical voters to support far left dems.
Gee, I wonder why these tactics never seem to work?
From a conservative/republican perspective, its a good thing because not only does it demonstrate the dems/LLR-left haven't learned anything from 2016, it clearly shows they are not capable of learning.
Another positive omen for the 2020 election.
Any self-professed Christian who believes Trump was "sent to them" by divine forces shows complete ignorance of the very faith they profess.
I love it when a commie tells me how to be a "self-professed" Christian. Evidently, we're supposed to ask commies like Cook for permission.
Every denomination is different. I'm Catholic. Traditional Catholicism doesn't really acknowledge this world as the purpose of our endeavors. It's the testing and proving ground for the next world.
However, Catholicism is at odds with your murderous, genocidal ideology. That's one of the Ten Commandments.
That "stinging" editorial from CT was a godsend for the Trump campaign. It lets him show how yet another establishment Republican institution was been hollowed out and sold to the other side.
@ST: "Do The Right Thing" famously helped Barack woe Michelle on their first date. Should she step in to "save" the Democratic Party, expect a rehash of the movie's racist politics.
"Spike Lee’s wildly racist 'Do The Right Thing,' set in Ft. Greene Park in 1989, is a manifesto on the right of blacks to terrorize white businesses. The climactic scene is the looting and arson of the corner store where I shopped. Which was the 'right thing.'”
I haven't seen Lee's film since it was first released in the theaters, but I think you have misunderstood the film. I do not recall it as Lee advocating or meaning the film to be an apologia for the climactic riot and destruction of property, but as a depiction how the internal social and cultural conflicts in a changing neighborhood can lead to such conflagrations. That it was set in a particularly hot summer underlines this, as the heat and humidity was an indicator of the emotional climate in the neighborhood.
Robert Cook believes God can not use flawed people to achieve his purpose.
Discuss.
Tom T.: "That "stinging" editorial from CT was a godsend for the Trump campaign. It lets him show how yet another establishment Republican institution was been hollowed out and sold to the other side."
This.
Add The Weekly Standard, The Bulwark, the Washington Examiner, 60% of National Review, etc to that list.
@ Cookie...The Christian believer's idea is not that God sent them Trump. It's that Trump has volunteered to be been sent out by them. Like Augustine could not out run his mother Monica's prayers, Trump could not out run his mother Mary Anne McLeod's prayers.
Judging the converted Apostle Trump by the immorality that he did before would also eliminate Saint Paul and Saint Augustine, not to mention all those early Corinthians.
The whole "God is on our side" stuff is silly.
Both sides do it.
"Jesus is a socialist" - remember?
& Chuck - If Trump said that, and he probably did say it, so what? The evangelicals like him anyway.
"Every denomination is different."
I'm not talking about denominations, (which all reflect various reinterpretations of Jesus's preaching). I'm talking about what is found in the New Testament, which I have read from beginning to end, (many years ago). I repeat, any Christian who believes Trump is a "god-sent" agent is completely ignorant of their own faith's doctrine and meaning. Trump exemplifies all that Jesus condemned. He is amoral, a cheat, dishonest, a narcissistic bully and liar, and he lacks empathy or compassion for any other human beings, (not just for the poor and outcast Jesus spoke for and associated with).
Judging the converted Apostle Trump by the immorality that he did before would also eliminate Saint Paul and Saint Augustine, not to mention all those early Corinthians.
Damascene conversions are rare in the Democrat Party. They're all a bunch of Sauls waiting to be called upon.
"Jesus is a socialist" - remember?
Don't forget Obama's halo.
Robert Cook: "I repeat, any Christian who believes Trump is a "god-sent" agent is completely ignorant of their own faith's doctrine and meaning."
Look commie boy, you and LLR-lefty Chuck can repeat your BS as many times as you like to no effect.
No one here is in the market for mass graves (as signs of "good works") ideologies like yours.
"Robert Cook believes God can not use flawed people to achieve his purpose."
That anyone can believe Trump is working for God's purpose shows misunderstanding of Jesus's message. Trump is not converted, is not different than he ever was, is not concerned at all with anything or anyone other than himself and his own ego needs and material gain. Everything he says or does to convey otherwise is a lie, his crude pandering to those desperate to believe someone in power cares about them and their problems. Trump couldn't care less about anyone else's problems and concerns, except as an avenue for him to fleece them.
They're all a bunch of Sauls waiting to be called upon.
Sauls hyped up on taurine in a roomful of China shoppers I should add.
Robert Cook: "Trump exemplifies all that Jesus condemned. He is amoral, a cheat, dishonest, a narcissistic bully and liar, and he lacks empathy or compassion for any other human beings, (not just for the poor and outcast Jesus spoke for and associated with)."
I see the problem more clearly now.
Robert Cook sees himself as god.
Well, that certainly explains alot.
Its like Robert Cook and the LLR-lefties have never even glanced at the Old Testament.
I particularly like how Banned Commenter LLR-lefty Chuck can read minds while simultaneously marxist Cookie has the ability to divine what is in another persons heart and soul.
Just add Paul Krugman for post-election economics predictions and you've got a helluva Murderers Row of Morons professing unique insight.
(not just for the poor and outcast Jesus spoke for and associated with).
Recall that Nevada's hookers spurned Bernie in 2016, aligning naturally with Hillary: link.
Remember the message ( Good News) is where the power of Christianity comes from. The political culture can stop the preaching of the message.The Communists and humanists will use government power to kill it. Or the political culture can let it spread like the First Amendment requires when it prohibits government interference with the message.
Evangelicals hold to the Scripture as the Word of God - and we really, really believe this and try our best to act accordingly.
Us Evangelicals will ally ourselves with those who support us in the political realm. Trump is one such person. He does not himself need to be a believer for us to support him, pray for him, and bless him.
Evangelicals understand that there are many political and theocratic entities out there that are out to destroy the presence of Christianity on this Earth. The Book of Revelation tells the story.
Blogger Robert Cook said...
Any self-professed Christian who believes Trump was "sent to them" by divine forces shows complete ignorance of the very faith they profess.
God protects drunks, fools and the United States of America.
I do believe a foreigner said that.
Chuck never heard of the phrase- "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Robert Cook said...
He is amoral, a cheat, dishonest, a narcissistic bully and liar, ...
We could say that about many democrats in power and in the media.
Puke
Evangelicals understand that there are many political and theocratic entities out there that are out to destroy the presence of Christianity on this Earth. The Book of Revelation tells the story.
The mask certainly came off with this round of Democrats. That’s why Buttigieg is a phony. I’ve been on this earth too long and that’s what commies do.
What’s the overriding lesson of WWII?
When someone tells you he’s going to kill you, believe him.
But enuf about Shumer, Cookie. We all know not to get in his way when a camera/video is around.
’...is not concerned at all with anything or anyone other than himself and his own ego needs and material gain.’
It’s tough to beat an opponent if you can’t even understand him. Keep up the good work, Cookie.
About the liar, true. It’s 3 years in and I’m still not tired of winning!
Btw the Steele Dossier was a lie too, put together and sold by many people.
Expand your horizons.
“...any Christian who believes Trump is a "god-sent" agent is completely ignorant of their own faith's doctrine and meaning. Trump exemplifies all that Jesus condemned. He is amoral, a cheat, dishonest, a narcissistic bully and liar, and he lacks empathy or compassion for any other human beings, (not just for the poor and outcast Jesus spoke for and associated with).
That anyone can believe Trump is working for God's purpose shows misunderstanding of Jesus's message. Trump is not converted, is not different than he ever was, is not concerned at all with anything or anyone other than himself and his own ego needs and material gain. Everything he says or does to convey otherwise is a lie, his crude pandering to those desperate to believe someone in power cares about them and their problems. Trump couldn't care less about anyone else's problems and concerns, except as an avenue for him to fleece them.”
Well said.
Yancey Ward: "Chuck never heard of the phrase- "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Sure he has. But he has only heard his dem/lefty friends say it so when he puts on the FakeCon mask he gets confused and disoriented.
I’m still waiting for my $2500 that Obamacare was going to save me. I just had an MRI and it cost me almost $2000 out of pocket.
“Puke”
Well said.
Admiral Inga: "That anyone can believe Trump is working for God's purpose shows misunderstanding of Jesus's message. Trump is not converted, is not different than he ever was, is not concerned at all with anything or anyone other than himself and his own ego needs and material gain."
I need to revise my earlier comment about marxist Robert Cook being the one here who can see into the hearts and souls of men. Inga now asserts that she can as well which is a nice addition to her professed mind-reading skills.
Interesting to note however that Inga routinely bears false witness against others as in her Kavanaugh gang-rape lies, Carter Page as a russian agent lies, the hoax dossier lies as completely verified, Trump russia collusion lies, etc (this list of Inga lies which she continues to this day despite being completely debunked is endless).
I used to have a very sniffy Catholic attitude toward evangelicals, "fundies" I called them for "fundamentalists." Then I got to know some in prolife under difficult circumstances like jail or demonstrations which were attacked by lefties. You cannot but respect the best of them. In time I came to sincerely hope they would pray for me and laying on hands is just one way they do it. I guess my point is that you don't have to become a evangelical Christian to be impressed if you meet the right ones. And I have always thought that Trump did meet them when he went to a black evangelical church in Detroit during the 2016 election but anyhow, I am sure he did meet them somewhere.
Similarly Trump has the heart and soul to try to make things better for all Americans instead of wishing us death and poverty which is the current default position for leftys and the Democrats they control. Trump has shown that there is a way out of the bad, poverty-inducing economies of socialism and globalization and the Dems are ignoring the demonstration. You can call it Christian to say "I'm going to unnecessarily destroy your community and your hope of work, but I'll give you welfare" as Pelosi, Biden and Buttigieg do but that isn't Christianity. That's like a thief clobbering you over the head and stealing your wallet; and then dropping five bucks on your bloody face and saying "God keep you, brother" as he goes off.
According to Sundance, the Dems have already acquired and read all the stuff on Trump which Mueller got through the grand jury on Trump's business, his associates, and his internal deliberations in the White House; and they plan to drip it out as selectively interpreted leaks through the 2020 campaign just like the hearings in the Capitol basement. But the Dems don't plan to make our lives better as Trump has shown is and was possible. And they plan to impoverish manufacturing workers and miners and to take away free speech and religious freedom and also, of course, guns in case anyone objects to poverty and oppression. And the Dems are perfectly OK with Hunter Biden, and Epstein's death and pallets of cash; and they were OK with the Clinton Foundation and Weinstein and Epstein's life. So what does whatever they dig up on Trump matter compared to what they'd find on Clinton and Biden and Ben Rhodes if they dug? So get out the vote.
And to the immigrants: You ran from socialism. Why would you vote for what you ran away from?
Mary Beth (the commenter) said...
Chuck said...
"Those fucking evangelicals." ~ Donald J. Trump
1/4/20, 6:51 AM
You have quoted this before. Did you ever answer my questions about it? If I remember correctly, the last time you used it, there wasn't any way to tell if it was meant as demeaning, temporary frustration, an intensifier, or just a filler word.
Why assume he said it all?
"A new report revealed on Thursday that Donald Trump spoke badly about one of his strongest supportive bases in a closed-door meeting.
According to the Washington Post, Trump mocked evangelicals who support him while publicly praising their role in propping up his unpopular presidency.
“Those fucking evangelicals,” Trump said when meeting with Republican lawmakers as he smiled and shook his head."
The WaPost is no more interest in a truth requirement as is our resident titty-twisting dbag Chuck.
Chuck never heard of the phrase- "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
That’s been popping into my head.
Was it that idiot was so cocky he thought he could flip the double bird and waltz around Iraq
Or who squealed?
Are there unlikely alliances forming?
FrankenGermans as always want to get into Iran. Is there more money to be had once the black turbans are gone, or is there more money now?
And to the immigrants: You ran from socialism. Why would you vote for what you ran away from?
Because ours pays more.
I think this thread would be a perfect opportunity for Inga to come clean and admit that Carter Page is not a russian asset, Brett Kavanaugh did not lead a rape gang for 2 decades that raped hundreds of women, the hoax dossier is just that--a hoax, and that DJT did not collude with the russians.
Also, revising your earlier remarks that all Trump voters are nazi's would be nice too, but I can't expect you to take it all back in one sitting so I won't be waiting for that one.
How about it Inga?
Care to practice what you preach and take back your 3+ straight years worth of lies that have been exposed as lies?
Here's your chance! ...........(hopefully we won't have to wait too long)
Curious George: "Why assume he said it all?"
Correct. He never said it all.
Period.
Funny how progressives are blind to the amoral cheats and liars in their hand-basket.
Speaking of Jesus and preaching the Good News, outlawing Christian preaching is one method to stop it. But the most effective way to stop it is replacing it with a substitute and counterfeit message. That can happen for a long time until a new communications tool suddenly reopens the communications.Which is what happened in the 1500s with printed and smuggled translations of the scripture written by Paul in Greek and 1400 years later re-written by William Tyndale in English.
And it is happening again in the information age. The digital collection and free availability of expository teaching in the Internets is blowing away the methods of stopping the message.
Net result is there is no excuse for ignorance today. In other words it is bad news to reject the good news today.
I like that Trump ha these outward displays of faith.
However, these people are so fake.
I don't support Trump, or any politicians, because of outward displays of faith. Not do I hire people to work for me who only attend church. Instead, I look for people who can get the job done.
Trump has shown over the last few years, despite all the opposition he has faced, he can get the job done.
God bless President Trump.
Even if the Chuck quote were true, which I strongly doubt, it would in no way affect my vote. Trump's position on issues is pretty solid. He can call me whatever he likes.
tradguy observes: But the most effective way to stop it is replacing it with a substitute and counterfeit message.
Yes. The best place to hide a tree is in a forest. False doctrines abound and even some digital versions of the Bible have shown intentional tampering. We need to hang onto our print versions.
“I need to revise my earlier comment about marxist Robert Cook being the one here who can see into the hearts and souls of men. Inga now asserts that she can as well which is a nice addition to her professed mind-reading skills.”
In his haste to respond in his manic style Drago doesn’t seem to grasp that I was quoting Robert Cook. Having said that I’ll reiterate, well put Robert Cook.
Inga worships the Hillary-Schitt-Maddow-Strozk (ooo she even said liar STrozk is "her HERO!")
Brennan- CNN- MSDNC - Clapper Comey cabal of crooks and liars.
Puke.
Admiral Inga: "In his haste to respond in his manic style Drago doesn’t seem to grasp that I was quoting Robert Cook. Having said that I’ll reiterate, well put Robert Cook."
So you believe marxist Robert Cook does have the ability to see what is in the hearts and souls of others.
That is certainly a new and novel take on Christianity.
Of course, you and your dem pals demand that we all acknowledge the "spark of divinity" in MS13 machete murderers of children and mass murdering islamic supremacists and you stand on a mountain of baby body parts that Team Dem sells for fun and profit.
Still waiting on those apologies for those you knowingly lied about. Should we expect them anytime now?
That was quite a hairball you coughed up there bleached bit bimbo. I hope you feel better.
“That was quite a hairball you coughed up there bleached bit bimbo. I hope you feel better.”
😺Howard.
Since Evangelical are procreating ergo fuckers.
Admiral Inga: "That anyone can believe Trump is working for God's purpose shows misunderstanding of Jesus's message. Trump is not converted, is not different than he ever was, is not concerned at all with anything or anyone other than himself and his own ego needs and material gain."
Well since it’s looking like his material gain is my material gain I hope he keeps going.
I wonder what those other people who are finally working and their pay increased think?
I am amazed (though maybe I should not be) at the logical failure of the left-leaning contributors. Evangelicals do not have to believe Trump is the 2nd coming of Christ to support him. They just have to believe that he is better than the alternatives. The choice is not between trump and some ideal Christian, but between Trump and the left, who have stated, unabashedly, their contempt for evangelicals. Trump speaks and acts as a friend, the left speaks and acts like a foe. Therefore Trump is the logical candidate to back. The attacks on evangelicals for supporting Trump because he is flawed implies that there is some ideal candidate available that they COULD choose - as if the choice were him or Mother Teresa. No, it's more like the choice is him or worshipers of the death cult god of baby killers. (Hyperbole intended.)
Ok, I lied. The left is creating this false choice on purpose. They know full well that it is a false choice, but they hope to shame the evangelicals into staying home on election day.
Commie Cookie, FakeCon Chuck, Admiral Inga and ..... just Howie.
What a perfectly representative quadrumvirate of lefty "thought".
Robert Cook: "Trump exemplifies all that Jesus condemned.
Hilarious. The Marxist opinion is all I need to understand where the communists are coming from.
Cook probably thinks Jesus was a communist,.
RC—
Attended a lecture on Do the Right Thing given by a professor from I think Harvard Div School asserting that the message was “people are more important than property”—ie the riot was justified. Still that was hardly orthodox Marxism because that interpretation betrays its own commodity fetichism.
You aren’t necessarily wrong in yours but I have the impression that most people thought the film was pro-riot. I don’t know what Lee thought at the time but you might look for clues in the Fight the Power video he directed around the same time.
“Commie Cookie, FakeCon Chuck, Admiral Inga and ..... just Howie.
What a perfectly representative quadrumvirate of lefty "thought"”
Everyday is Manic Monday to Drago.
It's just another manic Monday [Saturday]
I wish it was Sunday
'Cause that's my fun day
My I don't have to run day
It's just another manic Monday
Don’t forget, Inga was taken out of Europe. Europe was not taken out of Inga. She has the mentality of a subject, not a citizen.
Admiral Inga when unable to address simple challenges, which is always, immediately retreats to assertions of mania followed by a torrent of mindless cutting and pasting of things she doesnt understand.
Lets see what happens next....
Robert Cook: "Trump exemplifies all that Jesus condemned.
Yet America exists anyway and once again, God protects drunks, fools and the United States of America.
Jesus gave us the Sermon on the Mount.
Cookie gives us the marxist rant from atop the mass grave.
Ok, I lied. The left is creating this false choice on purpose. They know full well that it is a false choice, but they hope to shame the evangelicals into staying home on election day.
That’s always the plan.
Via Insty:
ATHEIST GROUP WANTS IRS TO INVESTIGATE CHURCH THAT HOSTED TRUMP RALLY: There they go again.
They won’t like the new rules. I remember Gore and Biden.
"That anyone can believe Trump is working for God's purpose shows misunderstanding of Jesus's message. Trump is not converted"
Plenty of times in the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, where God used non-believers to advance his cause.
Speaking of the Sermon on the Mount... any thing here sound like Trump?
"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.
Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
Gospel of St. Matthew 5:3-10
Via Rantburg:
Judicial Watch Finds Millions of ‘Extra’ Registrants on Voting Rolls – Warns California, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Colorado, Virginia to Clean Up Voting Rolls or Face a Federal Lawsuit
Did Hillary really win the popular vote?
Cali has some explaining to do.
The guardian wants to bury whats left of the church of england, it has always been with godless, it wanted to bring about the great proletarian universe.
Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.
Teachers Inga
Not doormats.
Wa St Blogger: I am amazed (though maybe I should not be) at the logical failure of the left-leaning contributors. Evangelicals do not have to believe Trump is the 2nd coming of Christ to support him. They just have to believe that he is better than the alternatives. The choice is not between trump and some ideal Christian, but between Trump and the left, who have stated, unabashedly, their contempt for evangelicals. Trump speaks and acts as a friend, the left speaks and acts like a foe. Therefore Trump is the logical candidate to back. The attacks on evangelicals for supporting Trump because he is flawed implies that there is some ideal candidate available that they COULD choose - as if the choice were him or Mother Teresa.
They know this, Wa. It's perfectly clear and simple and they have had it explained to them a million times.
Granted, the case can be made that some of their number really are too stupid and/or unhinged to understand the above. But mostly they're just being assholes.
Cuck flails around, thinking he might one day convince someone to read his new essay, "The Christian Case for Jailing Christians."
Inga is even more moronic than usual. I guess she thinks she's quoting Prince, or something--very with-it to cite a song written 35 years ago. Those square brackets are fucking poetry!
Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.
Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
Trump is on that path. Lord knows he and Christians are being persecuted.
Inga: "Speaking of the Sermon on the Mount... any thing here sound like Trump?"
None of this sounds like you, thats for sure.
Btw, did I miss your apologies for calling Carter Page a treasonous traitor and Brett Kavanaugh a gang-rapist?
Can you show us in the bible where it says its okay to lie about others?
Ummm did you post that to help your case?
Blogger Robert Cook said..
That anyone can believe Trump is working for God's purpose shows misunderstanding of Jesus's message.
____&&&&&++++
Trump's message is MAGA and KAG.
Are you saying God Jesus is at Cross purpose with that?
Or that Trump's action won't eventuate stated goals?
Myself am atheist.
@Inga
Yes, a full employment job market is great for the poor and for peace.
The question, as always, is what works for people... soothing ideology or practical solutions.
Trump is providing practical solutions for people. Jobs, prosperity, domestic peace.
Your ideals sound good, Inga, and don’t work for shit.
I would bet Tim Alberta is as big a fucking liar as Chuck is.
Left evangelicals believe the State is the vehicle for the mission, you can see the way they have defended the Soviet Union, Nicaragua Venezuela, thats not about spreading the Word of God.
We can see in how the new Bolivian leader has been treated when shes even acknowledged at all. For proclaiming her faith.
Darrell: I would bet Tim Alberta is as big a fucking liar as Chuck is."
Whoa! A very high bar indeed...
Likewise the support islamists
https://babalublog.com/2020/01/04/the-close-relationship-between-cubas-castro-dictatorship-and-irans-mullahs/
Aaron Rupar is a "Journalist" with Vox. Basically, anyone can be a "Journalist" its not like being an Engineer or a Lawyer. You or I could be a Journalist tomorrow, if we could get some news organization to hire us. Then we could go on Twitter and say stupid crap and people would care.
Aaron 'tractor' rupar,
Blogger tim maguire said...
Cernovich us wrong to connect it to anti-semitism,
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Not clear to me What does "it" reference?
An attack on Trump supporters for his "immorality" and lack of Christian belief would be persuasive, except it constantly comes from atheists, agnostics, and non-Christians. Which makes it hilariously fake.
1)Left-wing: Those fucking Christian racists need to shut up!
2)Left-wing: How can Christians support Trump? He's so Un-Christian!
Charlemagne was a badass too. Yet the pope crowned him.
Sometimes it can't be helped.
Leftist 'evangelicals' is an oxymoron, narciso. But I agree with the premise that mainstream Protestants like to use the State and its policies to feed the poor, etc. Jesus at no time urged Rome to implement welfare programs. It is the unadvertised act of the individual Christian toward his/her fellow man/woman that the Lord is concerned with.
Cernovitch is connecting it to antisemitism because Christians won't take offense about anything. You can literally start killing them and tossing them into Gulags and they won't utter a peep - unless it happens to THEM personally.
However, they will get worked up over *others* being attacked. So by calling it "just like" antisemitism - Christians will see that its wrong. Its insane, but that's the way they think.
Wa St Blogger said...I am amazed (though maybe I should not be) at the logical failure of the left-leaning contributors. Evangelicals do not have to believe Trump is the 2nd coming of Christ to support him. They just have to believe that he is better than the alternatives.
There's no need to deify Trump. Perhaps they just see Trump as a "good Caesar" and saw Hillary as a "bad seizure."
Well jews are often the canaries in the coal mine,
Liberal Christians had no problem supporting Hillary or Bill Clinton. What's up with that?
Can you show us in the bible where it says its okay to lie about others?
I can show you were it says so in the Koran.....
The MSM hates Evangelicals for a lot of reasons, but mainly because they vote Republican 65-35. So they are constantly attacking them and trying to split them off from the R's. Hyping the "Christianity Today" article was a perfect example. CToday attacked Trump in 2016, and didn't support him against Hillary. But the MSM thinks an editorial from this obscure magazine shows Trump's Evangelical Support is crumbling. Its all just a propaganda technique. The MSM is gaslighting Evangelicals.
I think Cernovich knows/believes he is responding to a Jew. I dunno. He graduated from college affiliated with Methodist Church, but then Clinton and Trump attended Catholic colleges.
There are photos of pastors laying hands on President Obama. Did AA blog? Did commenters coo?
Trump and evangelical haters look at this as a two-fer. Because even though Trump nor evangelicals have ever done anything to personally harm the ingas or howard's of this world they hate that they even exist. Stop the hating!
There's no need to deify Trump. Perhaps they just see Trump as a "good Caesar" and saw Hillary as a "bad seizure."
LOL!
readering: "There are photos of pastors laying hands on President Obama. Did AA blog? Did commenters coo?"
Did the MSM attack?
No, instead they called obama the messiah and "sort of a god".
The left does that alot with their cult leaders like Saint Greta.
From The Hill: "More than 70 protests planned across US against Soleimani strike"
Of course.
Of. Course.
Democrats come out in favor of the mass murdering islamic supremacist responsible for the deaths of hundreds if not thousands of Americans, including our Ambassador and 3 others in the Benghazi attack.
How typically lefty/LLR-lefty that our lefties/LLR-lefties lecture us on Christianity as they openly align with islamic supremacists.
Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.
See Baghdad airport, Inga,.
Lefties project everything through their political predilections. They are into idol worship - Obama, Michelle, the Clinton’s - so idol worship is projected onto the enemy, Evangelicals. Never mind the First Commandment. Check instead their confirmation bias illustrated by anecdotes filtered through their ignorance of Christian theology.
“He was sent to us by God.” Ooooo, like the Obamessiah was sent to the left? Well, not exactly. According to St. Paul all leaders, good or bad, are put into place by God. Romans 13:1. We are told in Daniel 2:21 that God “sets up” leaders, “kings,” and “deposes” them.
If we believe that God’s will defines the world we would naturally believe, so far, that Trump’s unexpected Presidency and its Pro-Christian trappings reflect God’s will. Hardly mysterious or extreme from a Christian point of view. However, if you view the world through the prism of godless philosophical materialism, it might seem so.
But there is no need for leftist asshats, particularly in the media, to know anything about us when they can spin everything to fit their bias.
readering said...
There are photos of pastors laying hands on President Obama. Did AA blog? Did commenters coo?
This post by Ann was in response to the leftists and their open double standards.
You made Ann's point admirably.
readering
Clinton and Trump attended Catholic colleges.
Fordham and Georgetown only care about being Catholic when they are trying to get Catholics to send their kids there/for fund raising (these places spend more time bitching about and trying to get around Ex Corde Ecclesia so they can continue to call themselves Catholic for this reason alone). It even works, sometimes anyway. Otherwise only fucking hicks buy into that. They're no different than any other school except for having a theology dept and a religion requirement, neither of which are taken seriously.
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Not to pile on young Bob, but pulling the old “hypocritical Christians” gag in his first comment was incredibly lame and strong indication of how far behind the zeitgeist the Left is these days. No one buys that shit anymore but the Left keeps repeating it as though the rest of us were born yesterday.
readering made Ann's point completely inadvertently and in the dumbest way possible as well.
"This is the day when the Ocean's stop rising!"
Obama sure has a big house right on the Ocean.
But there are religious pastors like Jeremiah Wright and other con artists that bilk their flock.
The left sure seems to like those ones.
>> I’m still waiting for my $2500 that Obamacare was going to save me
It was $2500 *per year*. Somebody owes you 20 grand.
Michael K said...See Baghdad airport, Inga,.
Also, for the "laying of hands," see Baghdad airport.
Cookie, your ignorance is on display. A lot of christians believe *Judas* served a purpose. Drago put it well, about flawed individuals.
Cook: “Any self-professed Christian who believes Trump was "sent to them" by divine forces shows complete ignorance of the very faith they profess.”
Once again, the commenter whose unparalleled ignorance of Christianity has repeatedly been demonstrated here weighs in.
If we are debating the fine points of Das Kapital, dive right in, Cook, but the Bible? “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt." Mark Twain (maybe).
Blogger Ken B said...
Cookie, your ignorance is on display. A lot of christians believe *Judas* served a purpose.
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There can be no Easter without Judas.
He should be the first Saint not Peter.
---- This from logical Athe(n)ist
My mother was an atheist and no one I ever knew personally had a more virulent hatred of Christianity and all religions. When I became a Christian [at age 37] she asked why I needed a 'crutch'. But when we avoided the topic of religion we got along very well and had great discussions on history, politics and economics. [Fun fact: Two years ago, when she was near death at 92, she cried out to God to help her or take her, one or the other. Interesting.]
A lot of christians believe *Judas* served a purpose.
Of course, Narayanan. Jesus told Judas at The Last Supper, "That thou doest, do quickly. and also told his disciples, "The Son of Man goes, even as it is written of him, but woe to that man through whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would be better for that man if he had not been born."
Admiral Inga sure is taking a long time to craft her apologies for serial lies she has told for 3+ years straight.
Perhaps the scope and scale of her repeated lies is too daunting for her to compose something appropriate.
Still less threatening than State-cultism. (What are the current Democide figures? Are we up to 3 billion murdered by the State in the past 100 years?)
Blogger rcocean said...”Cernovitch is connecting it to antisemitism because Christians won't take offense about anything. You can literally start killing them and tossing them into Gulags and they won't utter a peep - unless it happens to THEM personally.”
I would think “killing and tossing them into Gulags” would be happening “to THEM personally,” but that’s just me.
“Christians went out and helped us in numbers never seen before. We’re going to blow those numbers away in 2020,” Trump said. “I really believe we have God on our side.”
What was inscribed on the belt buckles of German soldiers during WW2?
Cook, who has read the New Testament once, must not be familiar with the reference to Cyrus used by one of the pastors. Cyrus was, of course, the Persian king who took over Babylon where the Israelites were in captivity. The prophet Isaiah speaks extensively of Cyrus as a "messiah," which is to say, one anointed for a particular task. It didn't matter that Cyrus wasn't a believer, but only that God had chosen HIM. It's evident that the pastor understands Trump not as a man of faith who is able to accomplish Godly things because of his personal godliness, but as a man who can be used by God in spite of the lack of them.
So then, Cook's basic point is exactly wrong. In his ignorance he proclaims it all the louder, but he's wrong. God works through people of all kinds. It's perfectly plausible (and recognized by these Evangelicals) that God might be working through Trump.
Incidentally, this really isn't a partisan thing. God also worked through Nebuchadnazzar, Pharaoh, the Assyrians, etc... both to bless and to chasten his people.
I can't really speak to what Fordham and Georgetown care about today but I bet they were both pretty orthodox when Bill and Donald were applying to colleges back in 1963.
Something in the Bible for every taste. It's a long book, even if you only read it once.
“God works through people of all kinds. It's perfectly plausible (and recognized by these Evangelicals) that God might be working through Trump.”
Wow that’s rationalization on steroids. What Trumpists won’t tell themselves...
Thats why the bureau recruited from there, then the ivy league who supplied the company on balance.
Fordham and Georgetown only care about being Catholic when they are trying to get Catholics to send their kids there/for fund raising....
They may not be very Catholic but they are quintessentially Jesuit, at least as 'Jesuit' has come to be understood. (In a probably vain attempt to avert David Begley's ire, I'm happy to admit that there are plenty of good Catholics at both universities and amongst the Society of Jesus: but for every one Joseph Fessio or James Schall, requiescat in pace, there are ten or twenty James Martins or Thomas Reeses.)
I can't find a link at the moment, but I remember some really weird article years ago about Michele Bachmann belonging to some weird, extreme Christian cult that saw Easter as the most important Christian holiday. You know, that cult—Lutheranism, or, more recently for Bachmann, Baptism. One, a 500-year-old mainstream denomination, the other a more recent, American, but still mainstream denomination.
I'm not among those who believe the media is deliberately out to get Christians, but boy, it'd be an improvement if they'd actually hire a few as their religion writers.
Admiral Inga: "What was inscribed on the belt buckles of German soldiers during WW2?"
"Falsely Accuse Others Of Being Russian Spies"?
Admiral Inga: "What was inscribed on the belt buckles of German soldiers during WW2?"
Inga was here!
readering: "I can't really speak to what Fordham and Georgetown care about today but I bet they were both pretty orthodox when Bill and Donald were applying to colleges back in 1963."
LOL
"orthodox" in 1963.
"God and Man at Yale" would be a good place for you to start.
Bloom also talks about the genesis of the left's/Frankfurt School/Gramscian March takeover of academia in his book "The Closing Of The American Mind".
But you probably won't like either one of them.
Admiral Inga: "What was inscribed on the belt buckles of German soldiers during WW2?"
"Develop an alliance with the islamic supremacists to help wipe out the jews"?
Because that one fits perfectly with today's lefties/LLR-lefties.
I wonder what prayers the lefties say to themselves as they sell off baby body parts?
Inga, can you help us out here?
Not commenting here is NO loss to me. - Inga
Puke.
“God works through people of all kinds. It's perfectly plausible (and recognized by these Evangelicals) that God might be working through Trump.”
Admiral Inga: "Wow that’s rationalization on steroids. What Trumpists won’t tell themselves..."
Inga decides now would be a good time to go Full Denial on Judges, Chronicles, Kings, etc.
Not surprising. Her islamist allies aren't too keen on the Bible either.
Inga, which pro-Soleimani rally are you going to attend today? There are 70 lefty/LLR-lefty Soleimani Praise Events to choose from or so I am told......
Cook pontificates: “Trump exemplifies all that Jesus condemned. He is amoral, a cheat, dishonest, a narcissistic bully and liar, and he lacks empathy or compassion for any other human beings, (not just for the poor and outcast Jesus spoke for and associated with).”
I forget, Cook. Did Jesus die on the cross that our/Trump’s sins might be forgiven or so that pompous, ignorant lefties could cite him without regard for “the cross and him crucified?”
Moreover, it’s clear that the mindless left while carrying out the pretext that they give a rat’s ass for what Jesus said are convinced that “their Jesus” offered up a free pass to judge The Orangeman, however falsely, without being judged themselves for their hypocrisy.
I've read God and Man at Yale. Don't remember anything about the Jesuits. WFB did briefly attend St John's outside London.
’Inga was here!’
Thread winner.
“What was inscribed on the belt buckles of German soldiers during WW2?"
“Inga was here!”
Sez the resident neo nazi who said black and brown children were monkeys and the only thing Jews were good for was for counting his money. I’d say his lips were far closer to the Nazi belt buckle than mine.
Doesn't Trump's smirk kind of say it all?
readering: "I've read God and Man at Yale. Don't remember anything about the Jesuits. WFB did briefly attend St John's outside London."
It was more of a commentary on the direction cultural/political of academia.
The point is the lefty march thru the institutions is what is relevant.
Yes it was in poor taste, then so are of these canned diatribes.
And I have to admit, Jentezen Franklin has that televangelist, BS-artist patter down pat. He kind of sounded like a mix between Jimmy Swaggart and Bill Clinton.
This one is for Howard and LLR-lefty Chuck and their "sincere concerns" about that "imminent" hyperinflation:
"SAN DIEGO (Reuters) – The Federal Reserve could find itself fighting too-low inflation for years to come, San Francisco Federal Reserve President Mary Daly said on Friday, and may need a new policy framework to lift inflation back up to the Fed’s 2% goal.
“We don’t have a really good understanding of why it’s been so difficult to get inflation back up,” Daly said at the annual American Economics Association meeting in San Diego."
LOLOLOLOL
Perhaps a lefty/LLR-lefty Prayer Circle is needed to ask God for a recession prior to the Nov election is in order?
Inga, as the State's Handmaiden, you're kind of an insider when it comes to State-cultism, so maybe you can answer my question on Democide? Are you doing your part to get that figure up there?
“Doesn't Trump's smirk kind of say it all?”
Indeed it does. He’s laughing at them.
Admiral Inga: "Indeed it does. He’s laughing at them."
Switching between mind reading and standing in judgement of others faith.
Perfect.
Inflation is being stored as debt, much like the McDonalds fat being stored by the President and his loyal obesity army.
Anyway, you people epitomize my favorite quote from Jesus: "The ends justify the means."
I give Howard a bit of credit here. He recognizes he has no understanding of the topic at hand and unlike Inga and LLR-lefty Chuck, he doesnt try to fake his way thru.
Drago, the troll feeder.
Howard: "Inflation is being stored as debt,...."
Looks like I spoke too soon!
Actually dummy, inflation is often theorized as the path out of debt.
Seriously, isnt there a single thing you can find where you can post something that is correct?
Not even one?
I see some with open eyes and some closed.
Equality requirement
==>> Trump one and one
==>> broad wink does it
Drago, the troll feeder.
Ha. In Drago's defense, Howard is pretty darn good at it.
really, he's working where declaring your faith, in sudan or north korea, to cite two examples is cause for imprisonment or death,
I would guess that inflation is mismeasured, looking at the price of basic staples,
Blogger Drago said...
Inga, which pro-Soleimani rally are you going to attend today? There are 70 lefty/LLR-lefty Soleimani Praise Events to choose from or so I am told......
I don't know if there is an ANSWER chapter near her. Maybe you could start one, Inga. All that's necessary is to be a communist.
Crazy helps but is not mandatory
“We don’t have a really good understanding of why it’s been so difficult to get inflation back up,” Daly said at the annual American Economics Association meeting in San Diego."
Energy?
Next up Howard will be explaining how inflation is being stored as frozen vegetables.
narciso: "I would guess that inflation is mismeasured, looking at the price of basic staples,"
I would avoid using all that fancy talk with Howie and Admiral Inga. They will think you mean staples like stapler staples.
What was inscribed on the belt buckles of German soldiers during WW2?
It wasn't just the Wehrmacht -- it was the never-Trumperers who touted Got Mitt Uns
/German spellcheck
https://juicyecumenism.com/2011/10/11/the-passing-of-hillarys-1960s-mentor/
The quote from Cernovich is interesting. Yes, black thugs have been harassing Orthodox Jews in NYC for a long time. But why is it now happening much more regularly. What's changed? Is someone actively paying thugs to try to provoke Jews, hoping there will be a race war, to change the perception of Jews as peaceful, law abiding citizens? Or is the bullying in NYC an expression of the frustration in the black community that Obama, the first black president, came and went on to his own book deals and mansions, and their lives still suck? IOW, it has nothing to do with Trump. Why do thugs pick on the Jews? Because thugs are cowards and know the Jews don't usually fight back.
Cernovich adds another layer. "Your bigoted attitude towards mainstream religious practices is what is fueling anti-Semitic violence in New York." The dismissive and hostile attitude toward religion certainly adds to the sense that if people are religious (obey intolerant religious traditions) they deserve what they get. Of course that is rank hypocrisy on the Left especially those who claim to be religious themselves.
I'm not a Christian but to me the Sermon on the Mount seems like a message to the downtrodden, a message of reassurance and hope, not a suggestion that to be Christian people should aspire to be poor or weak. Christ was essentially reciting Psalm 37 in the OT:
"Do not fret because of those who are evil
or be envious of those who do wrong;
for like the grass they will soon wither,
like green plants they will soon die away.
Trust in the Lord and do good;
dwell in the land and enjoy safe pasture.
Take delight in the Lord,
and he will give you the desires of your heart. ...
Refrain from anger and turn from wrath;
do not fret—it leads only to evil.
For those who are evil will be destroyed,
but those who hope in the Lord will inherit the land..."
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Kathleen Parker years ago had a great column on this.
"Lefty march thru the institutions"
GaMaY published 1951.
The quote from Cernovich is interesting. Yes, black thugs have been harassing Orthodox Jews in NYC for a long time. But why is it now happening much more regularly. What's changed?
Nothing. Just more publicized. They have permission. These young guys grow up and give their sons permission, just as they got permission from their fathers. Not all, of course. Many, maybe most, grow out of it. Some step up to drive by shooting and worse.
Remember the "knockout game" in the news a year or so ago? It has not gone away, just not being publicized as much.
Also, among young tough guys, you kind of have to show how heartless you are. Sort of a rite of passage. Never could understand the gang attacks on a single person though. Cannot get past the obvious cowardice involved.
Farmer asserts: Ha. In Drago's defense, Howard is pretty darn good at it.
But Howard is the troll.
But Howard is the troll.
Yes, trolling was what I was saying he was pretty darn good at.
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