All toxic forms hurt. This is from a NYT op-ed by philosophy professor, George Yancy. A philosophy professor should not write such a blatant tautology. If he's not willing to say all forms of masculinity hurt and violate women, he shouldn't say "all forms." All he's saying is toxin is toxic.
Does Yancy define the part of masculinity that is toxic? He gives an example: He wanted the woman he married to take on his last name:
While this was not sexual assault, my insistence was a violation of her independence. I had inherited a subtle, yet still violent, form of toxic masculinity.Also toxic: The feeling that he "should be thanked when I clean the house, cook, sacrifice my time."
These are deep and troubling expectations that are shaped by male privilege, male power and toxic masculinity.He sounds a little zombie-ized, doesn't he? Why can't everybody who lives in a house thank anybody who puts work into cleaning it? And doesn't everyone who cooks a meal expect those who eat it to say thanks? What's "deep and troubling"?
If you are a woman reading this, I have failed you.Well, get your ass over here, Yancy, and cook me dinner. I didn't know this was going to be so personal.
Through my silence and an uninterrogated collective misogyny, I have failed you. I have helped and continue to help perpetuate sexism. I know about how we hold onto forms of power that dehumanize you only to elevate our sense of masculinity. I recognize my silence as an act of violence. For this, I sincerely apologize.Now, I think you're making fun of me. Oh, but wait... there's more! I see it ahead....
I speak as an insider. I know about what so many of us men think about women — the language we use, the sense of power that we garner through our sexual exploits, our catcalling and threatening, our sexually objectifying gazes, our dehumanizing and despicable sexual gestures and our pornographic imaginations.Garner!
There's much more to this essay, but I stop at "garner." It's just a special privilege of mine. Althouse privilege.
I'll just say, overall, Yancy has the tone of bowing down and confessing to God and pleading for absolution. But women are not God. We're human beings too. Wake me up when you get there. And make me some coffee.
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Sometimes men like that just need to take their fingers out of their own vagina.
I am Laslo.
Tautologies usually aren't. Not all rape is rape.
Jeepers. What's with people? Get a life.
All he's saying is toxin is toxic.
He's a philosophy professor. Whatja expect?
Plus, he threw away her Robert E. Lee picture.
What a wimp !
I don't know what George Yancy's problem is, but it certainly isn't any form of masculinity.
His problem is school administrators.
Last names are toxic. There's no naming system that doesn't involve either coercion or, in the case of Russian novels, hopeless confusion.
I guess locker room talk about women is a real thing.
A woman was being severly sexually harassed at a bar. She called out to her boyfriend, “Why won’t you help me?” He replied, “I don’t want to impose my toxic masculinity on you!”
Armstrong and Getty know a guy who's sponsoring a walker in the Caravan.
Can you imagine philosopher Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson writing this essay?
Me neither.
Why impose his father's name on her father's last name.
Also toxic: The feeling that "I should be thanked when I clean the house, cook, sacrifice my time."
Yeah, this has nothing to do at all with gender. You should just do a job that needs doing. You shouldn't be constantly expecting affirmation, unless you're a 5 year old.
I really despise the way the word "toxic" has been repurposed as a sort of watchword by virtue signaling social justice sorts. It's distracting.
I hate myself when I put the tire chains on in Tahoe.
Trump is more like George Yancy because reasons, but also less like George Yancy because Yancy is an actual racist.
I avoid men like that. Their eyes gleam as they confess how much they think they've hurt women.
I'm not a fragile flower. His puny sins don't impress me.
May I suggest the following, instead of that pile of nonsense which is just a perversion of the real thing:
Let us confess our sins against God and our neighbor.
Most merciful God, we confess that we have sinned against you in thought, word, and deed, by what we have done, and by what we have left undone. We have not loved you with our whole heart; we have not loved our neighbors as ourselves. We are truly sorry and we humbly repent. For the sake of your Son Jesus Christ, have mercy on us and forgive us; that we may delight in your will, and walk in your ways, to the glory of your Name. Amen.
Almighty God have mercy on us, forgive us all our sins through our Lord Jesus Christ, strengthen us in all goodness, and by the power of the Holy Spirit keep us in eternal life. Amen.
Wow, my wife expects to be thanked for every meal she cooks. If it doesn't happen, she sulks.
I guess she has toxic masculinity.
Men and women are equal in rights and complementary in Nature.
That said, since managing the household and raising children are authentically not for profit enterprises, and with mutual rewards, I would suggest sharing taxable income, after expenses, and labor, with your spouse. Also, life is not so short that we cannot prioritize our goals. We're not children anymore. Reconcile.
P.S. my husband insisted I take his name, which I would do anyway, but I liked his insistence. So quit with the mansplaining there Yance.
George has larger problems than this...I would like to see what this blog makes of this confused confession; http://stuartschneiderman.blogspot.com/
Barf. I hate the self-flagellating style of male feminists. It always sounds a bit like excuse-making mixed with bragging. You know, "I'm a privileged white man, so of course I routinely hurt women and others who are less fortunate than me, but I'm trying to learn to shed the toxic culture that made me a bad person."
Or, more simply, I occupy a high station in life and none of the bad things I do are my fault because of the toxic beliefs of others. I'm highly successful, virtuous and practically blameless.
In America, we are all Americans. I suppose he could assume his wife's last name, and his wife could demonstrate her commitment... They're not children any more. Reconcile.
AustinRoth:
A woman was being severely sexually harassed at a bar. She called out to her boyfriend, “Why won’t you help me?” He replied, “I don’t want to impose my toxic masculinity on you!”
Best comment so far.
You've got us all stopping at garner.
Absolutely hilarious. The Left's capacity for doe-eyed self parody seems to be limitless.
Who is this philosophical beta-male to yap about women like a teenage idiot?
Puh-leeze. Grow a pair and comb your hair.
This just in: Area genderless Gingerbread Man escapes vegan baking pan and gets job at local philosophy department. Film at 11.
I didn't think it was an assault on my independence when I changed my name when I got married. I did it because my husband and I became a family. Also, I figured his English last name would get misspelled a lot less than my rather complicated Central European last name. I was wrong about the misspelling thing. I say thank you and I'm sorry to my him a lot and he says thank you and I'm sorry to me a lot - I think it's a big reason why we're still married.
"Well, get your ass over here, Yancy, and cook me dinner."
Now that's funny.
Blah blah blah.
It Sounds like he married a ball-buster.
I really despise the way the word "toxic" has been repurposed as a sort of watchword by virtue signaling social justice sorts. It's distracting.
That's just one of many such words or terms. "White supremacy" is being defined out of existence. It is no longer a useful term for describing skinheads and neo-nazis. Now the term describes even the most minor racial transgressions, e.g., when an old lady locks her car doors when a group of young black men walk near her.
I will have a conversation about "toxic masculinity" when we also get to have a talk about "toxic femininity". Yes it exists. Yes it is real. Yes, the chivalric/courtly-love holdovers in Western society keep us from having this conversation.
If this guy is a philosopher, then he should read Chanakya (BCE Hindu sage) and his views and treatises on women and their nature.
Toxic Femininity.
he married a ball-buster
A Zuri, perhaps. He could also be a Nyack. A toxic, even deadly combination. Discover your dignity.
Jeez, put on your big boy pants professor and grow a pair. Yowza.
Ugh. Now the left wants us to think not only that speech can be violence, but that silence can be, too.
Henry said...
Last names are toxic. There's no naming system that doesn't involve either coercion or, in the case of Russian novels, hopeless confusion.
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Many Afghan men use only one name, such as the unfortunate Najibullah, the Soviet puppet who was shot and his body dragged through the streets by his own people.
But still, Afghans *must* be enlightened people for having done away with the coercion and hopeless confusion of last names, right?
As Hillary might put it, "They have so much to teach us."
He wanted the woman he married to take on his last name:
While this was not sexual assault, my insistence was a violation of her independence.
hmmm, i kinda think that THE ENTIRE POINT of marriage is to lose (at least some part) of your independence. You've agreed to be a unit; with co-ownership, co-incomes, co-etc.
Does he have a joint checking account? Do they do joint tax returns? Does he let her live in his house rent free? what about utilities? I'm single, so i don't know; but aren't married people Supposed to NOT live like single people?
But, what would i know; i couldn't even type the name of my favorite confederate general correctly.
ps. didn't matter where joe johnston was on inauguration day, what mattered was election day
pps. where was jb hood on inauguration day?
"White supremacy" is being defined out of existence.
Color supremacy is the general term. The universal set is "diversity" or color judgment. While a color bias is intrinsic, diversity is progressive.
The big guy from Iceland seemed to have a stronger hold on what it means to be a good man and a good husband.
He: It is with great pleasure that I now get to call Kelsey Morgan Henson my wife! ❤️ I get to hold this beautiful woman through thick and thin for the rest of our lives! I’m so excited for all of the future adventures we will tackle side by side.
She: Looking forward to pulling this big guy around for the rest of my life. ♥️ @thorbjornsson I love you now and forever and promise to stand by your side through all that life throws at us. I love you baby!
Also toxic: The feeling that he "should be thanked when I clean the house, cook, sacrifice my time."
Ya know what? I was a FT mother and homemaker for many years, and I felt I should be thanked for my efforts to raise our sons and make a home for our family. And I always believed my husband should be thanked for his work, which kept food on our table, a roof over our heads, the wolf from the door, etc.
We still thank each other all the time for small courtesies and the gazillion things we do to help each other out.
Jeez Louise. If the human need for appreciation is "toxic" and "harms women", we as a species have become waaaaaay too weak and fragile.
What a daft twit.
I'd like to think I'm not sexist. But, who knows?
Do young couples today ever just have fun together?
The poor guy is a member of a toxic profession in a toxic environment. I think he would be much happier as an electrician or machinist, professions where he could solve real problems and be a real man.
This is the sort of garbage that was pumped out by "intellectuals" in the Stalinist Soviet Union and Maoist China.
It's crazy talk by really fucked-up, broken people. While it's worth taking seriously as a cultural indicator (it's terrifying, as a matter of fact, as an indictment of how degraded our cultural and intellectual life has become), its content in itself is not worth taking seriously, not even taking seriously enough to mock.
I'd like to think I'm not sexist
Do you hold open the door for both men and women, young and old, or allow it to swing closed in their faces with equal thoughtlessness? There are times for sex consideration, but those times are few and far between.
"He sounds a little zombie-ized, doesn't he?"
Sort of like, I don't know... an NPC?
"Wow, my wife expects to be thanked for every meal she cooks."
-- I mean, if I cook for someone, I've always gotten a thank you.
"Uninterrogated Collective Misogyny" sounds like a great name for an alternative rock band.
They could all sport man-buns and ritually abase themselves on stage as they contemplate their countless crimes against the Matriarchy.
He's right. He probably should kill himself, because he is never going to get any better, but he won't. He is a professor of philosophy. He'll keep talking.
Sheesh. This is a joke,right?
Mae West:
"Oh, Beulah, peel me a grape."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeRm1T9V5wc
Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be a masculine form of Beulah.
I don't know why Yancy insists on using up valuable op-ed space that could be used by a real woman.
Why can't everybody who lives in a house thank anybody who puts work into cleaning it? And doesn't everyone who cooks a meal expect those who eat it to say thanks? What's "deep and troubling"?
I had similar thoughts. I thanked my wife for emptying out the dish washer this morning. She thanks me for cooking the meals. I thank her for doing the laundry. We both work in the yard, though I usually, but not always, mow the grass. But she is the one going up on the slope and using our electric chain saw to cut down some thick brush. We thank each other for doing things because its simple politeness. It seems to me that a lot of people's idea of a relationship is strictly transnational. Their keeping a tally sheet in their head, I did this for someone, so they owe me. As my wife told me when we first got married. If you think it needs cleaning up, don't let me stop you.
There are times when I fear for the 'loss' of my own 'entitlement' as a male.
Dude!!.....you have NOTHING left to lose.
don't know why Yancy insists on using up valuable op-ed space that could be used by a real woman.
Kinda makes one question his "allyship", doesn't it?
A good indication that you're sexist is when you don't perceive the other sex as equally fallible and virtuous. A good indication that you're immature is when you cannot reconcile: men and women are equal in rights and complementary in Nature.
@Cassandra,
”Uninterrogated Collective Misogyny" sounds like a great name for an alternative rock band.
Heh! Uninterrogated Collective Menstrual Cramp for Men!
This dude needs to get a grip, get away from the keyboard and then get a clue. No sane woman is impressed by this pathetic gibberish.
If he ever decides to become transgendered, he won’t have to have his junk removed.
Humblebrag, pure and simple. He's probably hoping a pretty coed will read it and hop into bed with him.
Of all the things we need to address for the betterment of mankind -- seriously address -- this doesn't move the needle.
"Yancy has the tone of bowing down and confessing to God and pleading for absolution."
Seems more like self-flagellation to me. Virtual, of course.
My wife of 38 years and I have established a nice scheme to divide the required household labor & chores. There are some things that only she or I do (generally along stereotypical gendered lines) and many things we share. Cooking is a shared activity. Sometimes she cooks, sometimes I do, and sometimes we both do. At this point there aren't a lot of thank yous being exchanged. In fact, I think the only time she thanks me for doing something is when I help her with some problem she's having with her laptop.
-sw
Expect this de-balled beta male to be accused of crimes against #MeToo any day now. Credibly accused.
Should women thank Yancy for killing parody?
This guy urgently needs a copy of Jordan Peterson's book. He also needs a set, but that's probably too much of a stretch to hope for.
"Chanakya (BCE Hindu sage) and his views and treatises on women and their nature"
He could learn as much from de Beauvoir, who had all the toxic female types pegged in the Second Sex. She attributed it to women's inherent physical weakness and frustration at their own.impotence.
He's not much of a man.
"If you are a woman reading this, I have failed you."
Confession of a misogynist pig.
Btw, you do not represent all men, even the misogynist ones. You cannot apologize to all women either, you don't have the rights.
This mea culpa is an attempt to cover up things that are worse than he has confessed. Some #MeToo is coming up to destroy his professorship?
yet still violent,
Some assertions are so stupid only intellectuals could believe them.
From Futurama:
Hermes : What do we do when we break somebody’s window?
Dwight : Pay for it?
Hermes : Heavens, no! We apologize! With nice, cheap words.
"Nice cheap words" became our catch-all phrase for virtue-signaling essays like this. Applies equally well to climate crusaders who jet-set around the world.
women's inherent physical weakness and frustration at their own.impotence
Women are physically weaker, on average, than men. However, this does not generally translate to frustration or feelings of impotence. Most women know when to stand their ground, when to compromise, and when to defer. Most men know when to assert themselves, when to compromise, and when to defer.
I guess his wife cut him off.
“Honey, see I confessed in a published article. Now can we go to bed?”
The philosophy of negotiating sex.
Yancy really ought to just go kill himself as partial atonement for all his terrible sins. If he's lucky and there is a Hell he will go there for all eternity, because even that would hardly be enough given the enormity of his crimes.
Seriously, I feel sorry for his wife, who has to put up with such a pathetic person.
For some reason, reading his nonsense reminded me of Dieter from Sprockets:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2bLcilzeqc
Now is the time when we danc... err....grovel and beg for forgiveness!
There is nice juxtaposition presented by the Björnsson and Henson love story and Yancy's exposition on his unreconciled life.
He's a toxic pussy.
Feel sorry for his wife, unless she wanted a eunuch.
Mark his name down because soon there are going to be #metoo allegations against this guy.
He's just trying to get out in front and save his career.
I think it’s odd, considering his profession that he has so little grasp of the process by which he came into existence.
sexist (adj.)
1965, from sex (n.) on model of racist, coined by Pauline M. Leet, director of special programs at Franklin & Marshall College, Lancaster, Pennsylvania, U.S., in a speech which was circulated in mimeograph among feminists. Popularized by use in print in Caroline Bird's introduction to "Born Female" (1968).
-- OED
The 20th century is also notable for the progress of semantic games for political play.
Michael and elkh got to the #metoo angle first. I should have refreshed before I commented.
I forget, is it 3d wave feminism, or just the an add on to the usual nonsense? Hard to keep up. Boys have a hard time keeping up, that's for sure. So let us just cut off their testicles. There, that fixes everything. Why can't they just be more like us? Superior and self righteous? White upper middle class women, who live in possibly the most bless country in the world, are so unhappy and oppressed. Gee, let me publicly castrate myself, so that they can feel better and even more superior.
Next time some crazy leftist starts killing people, or someone is trapped in a 100 story building, call a feminist, male or female. they have superior language skills, and will be of great help.
What a wuss!
don't know why Yancy insists on using up valuable op-ed space that could be used by a real woman.
Kinda makes one question his "allyship", doesn't it?
He's also hanging onto a professor job he got through his male privilege. He should resign immediately.
"Also toxic: The feeling that he "should be thanked when I clean the house, cook, sacrifice my time.""
I thank my fiancee when she cooks dinner.
Would it be toxic femininity if she thought I "should" do that?
Or is it just politeness?
As someone who got a Philosophy degree, I learned to take things Philosophy professors say with a grain of salt - and if they're writing op-eds or opinion pieces, with a small salt mine.
Turns out he's a black prof at Emory who writes books like "Backlash", about how White America still needs to confront its racism. So he's being intersectional -- or something -- in confessing his male guilt. I'm content to let him work out his problems on his own tenured time.
Violence has certainly been defined down. Look back at human history - even just to the last century - and see how incredibly peaceful humans have now become. When little slights or requests to honor a long tradition of family names has become "violence," it is safe to say that people are looking very hard for violence where there is none. Oh well. Pretending that you are in danger is a game that safe, sheltered Americans have been playing for some time now.
I don't wanna trigger the fragile psyche of Prof. Yancey, but he might need a heavy dose of the legendary Sheriff Bart in Blazing Saddles.
Professor Yancey-Boy
That's some fine navel gazing right there! In the NYT, no less. I'm not entirely persuaded, but a few more like this might get me to re-evaluate the manifold complexities of my existence as a man. As a good friend of mine once noted: "if women knew what men were thinking, they'd never stop slapping us".
Gayest essay ever.
For proper atonement for his Patriarchal Sins, he should probably don sackcloth and ashes and do some vigorous self-flagellation, while walking down the sidewalk tearfully proclaiming his Mea Culpas.
It's the least he chould do to make up for his Lifetime Of Oppressorship.
What a pussy.
Your typical academic.
No wonder these ridiculous women are out protesting a real man like Mr. Trump in their pussy hats.
If you are a man you have to be what is termed sexist....otherwise you are a useless faggot like this moron.
More entertainment for soap opera women.
EDH said...
The big guy from Iceland seemed to have a stronger hold on what it means to be a good man and a good husband.
He: It is with great pleasure that I now get to call Kelsey Morgan Henson my wife! ❤️ I get to hold this beautiful woman through thick and thin for the rest of our lives! I’m so excited for all of the future adventures we will tackle side by side.
She: Looking forward to pulling this big guy around for the rest of my life. ♥️ @thorbjornsson I love you now and forever and promise to stand by your side through all that life throws at us. I love you baby!
You forgot her follow up:
She: Also stoked to know that should I be involved in some major disaster; one small .22LR will bring me ,and any children I have, six months worth of lean, fresh, beef.
Bill Befort nails it. Philosophy is to critical Race Theory as Dan Marino is to Garo Ypremian.
I don't know what George Yancy's problem is, but it certainly isn't any form of masculinity.
IIB,
You got an insty mention for that one. Nicely done...
Wha is the ext step below a beta male?
The prof from rich suburban NJ with a gaudy state pension is bitching about not being regarded as fully human again.
In what way are we not sufficiently kissing your entitled ass, prof?
When are you going to admit you've been bullshitting for 50 years and confess that your Marxist feminism is a lifelong lie?
You've never done a day of serious labor in your life.
You have a sin to confess. Get busy.
The tone was so condescending. I'm so sorry I've terrorized you by being so impressive. There can be little doubt you cowered and whimpered at the very sight of me for I am man and ever powerful over you poor, meek women. I mean...was anyone else getting that vibe? And who's 'we?' You have a mouse in your pocket, Yancy? If you 'garner' a sense of power through catcalling and threatening, then that doesn't make you a typical man. It doesn't make you part of any 'we' to which I belong. It makes you a douchebag. And most people know you're a douchebag and they laugh and go on about their day, maybe slightly flummoxed about why it is you are apologizing when you have so very little influence on anyone.
Dogs are really bad about cleaning up. They just drop toys or empty yogurt containers wherever they are.
It's toxic to insist she take his last name.
It's toxic to insist she not take his last name.
It's toxic to insist she make he own decision.
It's toxic to not say anything at all.
Conclusions:
Toxic has no meaning
and/or
Women are fickle creatures
I thank my fiancee when she cooks dinner.
A common courtesy.
It is possible for a woman to be a goddess here on this earth.
I've known a couple.
I'm hoping to meet one again.
@Sigivald,
As someone who got a Philosophy degree, I learned to take things Philosophy professors say with a grain of salt - and if they're writing op-eds or opinion pieces, with a small salt mine.
The problem is that is some clown in a philosophy dept. wants an easy way to get an article in the NYT he writes something like this. You sure as hell don't get an article in the NYT writing articles on the metaphysical baggage of the modern intersectional Left, that's for sure.
Another guy who decided to be a showman rather than a scholar was Dr. Cornell West. Hey, even with West's salary at an Ivy league school, I bet he's pulling down more Benjamins now. I wouldn't be surprised if our man Yancy is bucking to be the next Cornell West. It's the black man's burden, after all.
“I speak as an insider. I know about what so many of us men think about women — the language we use, the sense of power that we garner through our sexual exploits, our catcalling and threatening, our sexually objectifying gazes, our dehumanizing and despicable sexual gestures and our pornographic imaginations.”
He can’t distinguish thoughts from actions or personal guilt from collective guilt (we know he doesn’t catcall and threaten women). This is just sloppy thinking and, in a sane world, a philosophy STUDENT would get an F for writing such confused mush.
"She attributed it to women's inherent physical weakness and frustration at their own impotence."
Partially-nailing-it.
I remember seeing an all-female/non-coed version of some outdoor survival type show or something where the ladies would've literally got sepsis and died on the first day had they not gotten the assistance from the dude camp. Camille Paglia has echoed this repeatedly that if plumbing/garbage/steel-erection/road construction is the yard stick of civilization then women would still be tearing their hair out in caves.
If the world runs at all, it is because there are men behind the console doing the drudgery of systems creation and system management that women have historically proven they just can't do (outliers aside).
Chanakya (and de Beauvoir), as well as other sages, have repeatedly hit on that point of "impotence" (read penis envy). So yeah...
A world run by women is a world that over-analyzes itself into the stone age. See below photo for humorous reference.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjCoavd1Z_eAhUMylMKHbgCBUMQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Fentertainment%2Farchive%2F2012%2F05%2Flong-viral-life-overanalyzing-magazine%2F327642%2F&psig=AOvVaw3cqiyYdwbNb91l1V0i0OG9&ust=1540490837203578
But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Sister.
I wonder how Abraham Maslow would address these current impediments to self-actualization.
what a fag! is no one not gay anymore??
My first thought reading this: boy this is guy trying to get laid. My second thought: How fucking arrogant can you be to think just because a woman takes your name you've utterly DEFEATED her? Sounds like the type of guy I stop listening to very quickly. Awkward mix of self deprecation and arrogance.
This is just sloppy thinking and, in a sane world, a philosophy STUDENT would get an F for writing such confused mush.
Look around. How much real philosophy do you see being practiced today?
Critical thinking has been replaced by the academy with labels and feelings.
There are times when I fear for the 'loss' of my own 'entitlement' as a male.
Males should be entitled.
As should females.
The whole point of natural rights is entitlement.
The whole point of contemporary society is to extinguish natural rights, to replace them with government-approved allocations.
"... but who am I kidding? I am a failed and broken feminist. More pointedly, I am sexist. There are times when I fear for the "loss" of my own "entitlement" as a male. Toxic masculinity takes many forms. All forms continue to hurt and to violate women.'
All toxic forms hurt. This is from a NYT op-ed by philosophy professor, George Yancy. A philosophy professor should not write such a blatant tautology. If he's not willing to say all forms of masculinity hurt and violate women, he shouldn't say 'all forms.' All he's saying is toxin is toxic."
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If you're going to be condescending, you should be careful. This analysis is wrong. The conclusion, that the op-ed isn't all that great, might be wrong, but this analysis doesn't do the job.
It is false that all toxic forms hurt. Sequestered toxins, neutered toxins are still in some sense toxins, but they pose no threat to anyone. Poisons of the past remain poisons, but they no longer hurt anyone. Toxins for which we have adopted ready and easy defenses and remedies hurt only in the most trivial sense. The philosophers' is not a blatant tautology. A law professor, even a retired law professor no longer used to a congregation audience and not an audience of peers, should not describe something as a blatant tautology which is not a tautology at all.
Could you push back on this? Sure. But only at the cost of straw-manning the argument.
This was a sloppy way to start the post.
bleh said...
Barf. I hate the self-flagellating style of male feminists. It always sounds a bit like excuse-making mixed with bragging. You know, "I'm a privileged white man, so of course I routinely hurt women and others who are less fortunate than me, but I'm trying to learn to shed the toxic culture that made me a bad person."
Or, more simply, I occupy a high station in life and none of the bad things I do are my fault because of the toxic beliefs of others. I'm highly successful, virtuous and practically blameless.
10/24/18, 10:50 AM
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Learn how to read.
Hey, I just figured out that this guy is black ! Amazing.
What a pussy squared.
"My first thought reading this: boy this is guy trying to get laid. "
This is a pretty lousy way to get laid.
Not attractive to women, no matter what they may say.
"Yancy has the tone of bowing down and confessing to God and pleading for absolution. But women are not God. We're human beings too."
You and Meade should take a trip to 'Frisco and talk to a few people: you might come to doubt that.
violence noun
vi·o·lence | \ˈvī-lən(t)s, ˈvī-ə-\
Definition of violence
1a : the use of physical force so as to injure, abuse, damage, or destroy
I experienced a subtle, yet still violent, form of toxic masculinity and toxic femininity shortly after birth when I got stuck with my parents' badly anglicized last name.
Blogger Sacto_Dave said...
violence noun
vi·o·lence | \ˈvī-lən(t)s, ˈvī-ə-\
Definition of violence
1a : the use of physical force so as to injure, abuse, damage, or destroy
10/24/18, 1:37 PM
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This snark doesn't work when the definition is just "1a."
That is:
A law professor, even a retired law professor now used to a congregation audience and not an audience of peers, should not describe something as a blatant tautology which is not a tautology at all.
"We're human beings too" Now there is great insight.
When did words or thoughts become violent?
Well, the "Bitch-ass motherfucker" award has now been locked down for the year.
violence noun
vi·o·lence | \ˈvī-lən(t)s, ˈvī-ə-\
Definition of violence
1a : the use of physical force so as to injure, abuse, damage, or destroy
10/24/18, 1:37 PM
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This snark doesn't work when the definition is just "1a."
Okay: vehement feeling or expression: fervor
That’s the closest Merriam Webster comes to violence = harsh words. It seems prettty weak to me especially in the context of the author’s writing. I didn’t hear any vehement feeling or fervor in his words. Just self-serving virtue signalling.
See, somebody needs to take your boy, Yance, to The Too $hort School Of Niggas Pressing Manhood, to kinda beef himself up in the areas where he's lacking,...which - in his case - is just about everywhere (That's why I went for the strong stuff: we can modulate him later. First we got to get his head right - teach him how to fist bump - not to flinch. You know.). He really needs this shit.
He's got a long road ahead of him.
First we got to get his head right - teach him how to fist bump - not to flinch. You know.
Crack: [mocking him] You're not gonna fall for the banana in the tailpipe? It should be more natural, brother. It should flow out, like this - "Look, man, I ain't fallin' for no banana in my tailpipe!" See, that's more natural for us. You been hanging out with women too long.
I am exactly, unabashedly and certainly sexist. I exclusively prefer women as my romantic mate. I have very many sexist thoughts when it comes to female beauty, and even with emotional attachments.
Leftist logic of sameness of the sexes logically extends to strong heterosexual impulses are morally wrong.
Though, maybe I'm wrong and men and women are the same. Perhaps I would fall in love with a man if my interactions were limited to text exchanges.
Ugh. What a horrifying thought. I prefer my sexist view that men and women are different.
Nothing so stupid as a intellectual! Perhaps jf he spent more time with normal folks, Yancy would understand that treating women as though they are different from men does not dehumanize them.
Treating a person as sexless dehumanizes him or her because there are no sexless humans.
Lewis Wetzel said...
Nothing so stupid as a intellectual! Perhaps jf he spent more time with normal folks, Yancy would understand that treating women as though they are different from men does not dehumanize them.
Treating a person as sexless dehumanizes him or her because there are no sexless humans.
10/24/18, 2:17 PM
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Hoooooey, this 'rebuttal' is a howler.
“If you are a human reading this, my teachers have failed you.”
My wife loved being pregnant. My thoughts about having something alive in me was captured well in the original version of "Alien."
And, the idea of wanting someone to put something in me? Ugh.
"I fuck my brother because it feels good to feel him inside me."
Cersei, what is wrong with you? I simply can't understand that.
"He's a philosophy professor. Whatja expect?"
Well, we're not talking about Plato or Kant here: he appears to be a "philosopher" of critical race theory. According to his University web page, his areas of research are "Critical Philosophy of Race, Critical Whiteness Studies, and African-American Philosophy and Philosophy of the Black Experience."
Although he does seem to be re-using much of what he wrote in his 2015 NYT editorial, "Dear White America." Perhaps it produced/provoked a response, and he's hoping for an encore?
https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/12/24/dear-white-america/
This is some of the 2015 version:
"As a sexist, I have failed women. I have failed to speak out when I should have. I have failed to engage critically and extensively their pain and suffering in my writing. I have failed to transcend the rigidity of gender roles in my own life. I have failed to challenge those poisonous assumptions that women are “inferior” to men or to speak out loudly in the company of male philosophers who believe that feminist philosophy is just a nonphilosophical fad. I have been complicit with, and have allowed myself to be seduced by, a country that makes billions of dollars from sexually objectifying women, from pornography, commercials, video games, to Hollywood movies. I am not innocent.
"I have been fed a poisonous diet of images that fragment women into mere body parts. I have also been complicit with a dominant male narrative that says that women enjoy being treated like sexual toys. In our collective male imagination, women are “things” to be used for our visual and physical titillation. And even as I know how poisonous and false these sexist assumptions are, I am often ambushed by my own hidden sexism. I continue to see
women through the male gaze that belies my best intentions not to sexually objectify them."
So, what's new, three years later? Well, he appears to have strayed further from his focus on race, and, written an even more cringe-worthy essay.
NYT Times readers may love it, but must he plagiarize his own work?
what a fucking pussy
My wife and I have different last names as well as 44 years of wedded bliss and right-wing nutdom. Yancy's a wuss if he was insecure about that.
He's weak where he should be strong, and strong where he should be weak.
Best Althouse line:
"'If you are a woman reading this, I have failed you.'
"Well, get your ass over here, Yancy, and cook me dinner. I didn't know this was going to be so personal."
I laughed out loud at that one.
Until recently, only a woman knew whose kid it actually was. Seems like taking the man's last name is a pretty good trade.
I suppose you could have your kids tested for DNA, but that seems to violate so much trust. It seems it would disturb the relationship.
Does anyone else but me notice that liberal intellectuals like this guy studiously avoid referring to Bill Clinton when they list sexual predators (Weinstein, Cosby...). I wonder whether he would consider Hillary Clinton's demeaning of the victims of her husband's abuse a form of "toxic masculinity"?
When someone goes so completely over the top in self flagellation, it makes me wonder if that phrase 'the gentleman doth protest too much' might be applicable. Probably not, but its odd how being more vehement like this tends to have the absolute opposite effect on me - and I imagine I'm not the only one from the comments.
Sounds like George Yancy is a eunuch.
This guy is the Junipero Serra of self flagellation. Serra used to flagellate a bunch of innocent Indians too. I hope this guy keeps it to himself.
Geez talk about overthinking things.
The feeling that he "should be thanked when I clean the house, cook, sacrifice my time." is somehow a toxic thing in a relationship....???
Seriously? Everyone should be thanked for the things that they do. Even the smallest things deserve some acknowledgement. It is just common courtesy....PLUS a great way to get more of those things in life done. It is called positive reinforcement....duh.
I thank my husband for bringing me my second cup of coffee in the morning. I always get the first one because he made the coffee the previous evening and set the timer. He he always brings the second. Even though it is a routine, we thank each other. Every time.
Big things and small things. Changing the light bulbs. Emptying the dishwasher. Putting up the folded laundry. Doing the laundry. Picking up the dishes from the dinning room table when done eating. Changing the toilet roll. Wiping up the counters. And so on. All part of living on this earth and living together.
We also thank each other for all of the big things. I take the time to tell him that I know and appreciate how very very hard he works all the time. He thanks me and praises my accomplishments around the house like cooking and the work I do in the business.
There is nothing TOXIC about wanting to be thanked. Noticed. Appreciated. Praised. What IS toxic is to take someone for granted and not give the positive feedback that is needed.
No wonder these people lead such screwed up lives. They think too much and thank too little.
Amadeus sez:
I laughed out loud at that one.
As did I. Ann can be so amazingly witty. I hope Ann does not mind that I appreciate her abilities. It is rather arrogant to do so. But, I'm going to give it a try.
Ann, thank you, thank you, a dozen times for making my day brighter, and bringing sanity to the insanity.
I guarantee this sorry excuse for a man's wife blows a bunch of other guys. I wouldn't be surprised if he does too.
It's shit like this that will get Trump re-elected.
When will Barack Obama and Bill Clinton apologize for imposing their last names on their wives? Where's the Reckoning?
I wonder if he knitted his own Pink Pussy Hat?
I do 99.5% of the cooking. Why? Because I'm a better cook. On those days when I get home late and I start to get resentful that my wife has been home for an hour and hasn't even asked if she can cook dinner, I remember that I hate to do dishes. So I cook a quick meal, and rest after eating. That is a good trade.
He's employing the Sneaky Fucker Strategy trying to get laid.
I don't need a thank you when I do the cooking at home, but a complement is nice every now and then. That goes both directions. While I don't necessarily thank my wife for doing the things she normally does, I thank her when she does one of the chores I usually do. I guess the fact the we each have separate chores is patriarchal and toxic and problematic, oh my. Next time I'll have her change the oil on the cars, whether she likes it or not.
I do 99.5% of the cooking. Why? Because I'm a better cook.
Me too, because I enjoy it, so I actually work at it. I study cooking and actively work at getting better at it.
What a pussy...
I don't need a thank you when I do the cooking at home, but a complement is nice every now and then.
Exactly.
You don't have to fall over yourself to say 'thank you' or abase yourself for everything done. Just notice and throw a compliment is often enough.
Common courtesy and positive reinforcement gets you very far in life.
Ron, I am looking forward to retirement when I can start to put more time into it - I have worked on a few things but want more time to work on sauces, gravy, baking and bread. If my hands hold up, I want to learn how to bake really good bread.
Wha is the ext step below a beta male?
Gamma make? Delta make? Perhaps a few points farther down the scale.
I just found this cool portrait of Robert E. Lee, buried under some detritus of life.
"He's employing the Sneaky Fucker Strategy trying to get laid."
I'd suspect him of trying to garner pussy, but I doubt he's interested, or capable.
All this talk on the Left about teaching values so young men respect women. To solve that I think we should voluntarily set up institutions all across the country where we can meet as communities and teach and discuss ethics, morals, and respect for each other. We could meet on Sunday mornings for an hour....I know, dumb idea. It'd never work.
Barf. I hate the self-flagellating style of male feminists. It always sounds a bit like excuse-making mixed with bragging. You know, "I'm a privileged white man, so of course I routinely hurt women and others who are less fortunate than me, but I'm trying to learn to shed the toxic culture that made me a bad person."
Or, more simply, I occupy a high station in life and none of the bad things I do are my fault because of the toxic beliefs of others. I'm highly successful, virtuous and practically blameless.
And you should laud me and sleep with me because of my superior subtle understanding.
It's just a classic example of virtue signaling.
There are two responses to the huge intrusive cultural movement which is Psychotic Feminism.
First is the self abnegating one: where one grovels and confesses made up sins to avoid be destroyed.
Does a Philosophy professor have any choice in this matter? He is pathetic and he should have started pushing back against this about 20 years back, but at this point, he is a lost cause and has drunk the Kool Aid.
Feminists may value his contribution as a Quisling, but never as anyone worthy of trust.
OR you could push back against this relentless assault on male rights, norm destroying and consistent criticism and call on intellectually honest people to make noise about other, very public abuses.
Mark his name down because soon there are going to be #metoo allegations against this guy.
He's just trying to get out in front and save his career.
I keep waiting for #metoo to get into the Academy. Certainly there are some unsubstantiated 35 year old allegations against most, if not all of the male faculty. Didn't we have that one Feminist professor get taken down by one of her MALE students?
Much fun will be had by all.
One is reminded of Priests of the Goddess Cybele:
Important to the worship of Cybele was Attis, the Phrygian god of vegetation, also considered a resurrection god (similar to the Greek Adonis). Supposedly, Attis was Cybele’s lover, although some sources claim him to be her son. Unfortunately, he fell in love with a mortal and chose to marry. According to one story, on the day of their wedding banquet, the irate and jealous goddess apparently struck panic into those who attended the wedding. Afraid for his own safety (no mention is made of his bride), the frightened groom fled to the nearby mountains where he gradually became insane, eventually committing suicide but not before castrating himself.
Followers of her cult would work themselves into an emotional frenzy and self-mutilate, symbolic of her lover’s self-castration.
History keeps following the same beats. I wonder if Cybellean priests wore distinctive pink headgear?
George Yancy is more like Joe Biden than Joe Louis.
OK, I read the whole thing. It seemed like parody to me.
You know that horseshoe crabs have a third eye stalk whose only purpose is to spot females. When wokeness reaches them, I guess that they will be lining up to have them lopped off.
I guarantee this sorry excuse for a man's wife blows a bunch of other guys. I wouldn't be surprised if he does too.
Yep. A true cuck.
Howard should take note.
To solve that I think we should voluntarily set up institutions all across the country where we can meet as communities and teach and discuss ethics, morals, and respect for each other. We could meet on Sunday mornings for an hour....I know, dumb idea. It'd never work.
Can't be done. Althouse is smarter than thousands of years of human experience.
She's solved the dilemma of Marxism. This time, she's in charge. Don't worry. We've got the right people on the problem now.
The New Man and New Woman constructed by Althouse and her allies will be perfect this time.
As she said: Feminism must lead to more freedom. Read the Soviet constitution. It's a wonderful explication of human rights.
It's a cohort that is going to be left behind by evolution. Think of it as self administered genetic cleansing.
NPC's (always applicable to every thread), from Wittgenstein _Philosophical Investigations_, a piece that went by an hour ago in morse code on my bicycle commute:
"420. But can't I imagine that the people around me are automata, lack consciousness, even though they behave in the same way as usual?--If I imagine it now--alone in my room--I see people with fixed looks (as in a trance) going about their business--the idea is perhaps a little uncanny. But just try to keep hold of this idea in the midst of your ordinary intercourse with others, in the street, say! Say to yourself, for example: ``The children over there are mere automata; all their liveliness is mere automatism.'' And you will either find these words becoming quite meaningless; or you will produce in yourself some kind of uncanny feeling, or something of the sort.
Seeing a living human being as an automaton is analogous to seeing one figure as a limiting case or variant of another; the cross-pieces of a window as a swastika, for example."
Apparently social media are like being in a room alone. Also Godwin's law comes right up.
I think most women understand that this man should not reproduce, at least not with them.
"Well, get your ass over here, Yancy, and cook me dinner."
That's as close as I've come to spitting my drink on my computer screen.
Bitching about "toxic masculinity is like a Democrat calling for civility.
Is there anything as toxic as someone talking about "toxic masculinity". It's extremely sexist, bigoted, and it hurts me. Imagine men describing innate female traits as "toxic". How would that go over?
His main problem, if it is a parody, which would be fitting for a philosopher to have written rather than this tripe if it's unironic, his main problem is that the left is now beyond parody.
For example, before I got married, I insisted that my wife take my last name.
My wife did so willingly and happily and if she objected, I never in a million years would have insisted. We would have worked something out or she would have kept her maiden name. Maybe this guy is really an asshole?
What's this Megyn Kelly shitstorm? Get a Robert E Lee costume with blackface for halloween.
Or maybe Professor Yancy’s wife’s name is Nancy and she wears very elegant slacks. Now really, who can blame her for not wanting to put herself in the position of being teased and taunted, “Hey fancy pants Nancy Yancy!”
So I looked it up. Out of curiosity. Seems her name is NOT Nancy. Turns out the professor’s wife’s name is Magill. (Of course, as anyone can guess — she calls herself Lil).
Jordan Peterson? I think reading Rollo Tomasi would do him more good (if he could receive it, which I assume he can't.)
That day I learned something about me. I didn’t respect her autonomy, her legal standing and personhood. As pathetic as this may sound, I saw her as my property, to be defined by my name and according to my legal standing.
So he admits he's an asshole.
We have not, like Charlie Rose, been accused of sexual harassment by dozens of women who worked for us; and we are not, like Bill Cosby, being sent to prison for drugging and sexually assaulting a woman, in this case, Andrea Constand. Yet I argue that we are collectively complicit with a sexist mind-set and a poisonous masculinity rooted in the same toxic male culture from which these men emerged.
Yes, it wasn't just him! It wasn't just Charlie Rose! It's all of us! No way he is blame shifting off of his assholian self! Let the collective punishment begin! Open the reeducation camps, as Hillary called them "Fun Camps" and as Orwell called them "Joy Camps."
men unconsciously “engage in patriarchal thinking, which condones rape even though they may never enact it.
So now we are all guilty because the New York Times covered for Clinton and Weinstein for decades?
What does hooks mean by “soul murder”?
When I was about 15 years old, I said to a friend of mine, “Why must you always look at a girl’s butt?” He promptly responded: “Are you gay or something? What else should I look at, a guy’s butt?”
He is proposing the murder of somebody's soul, that's for sure. This has to be parody along the lines of those grievance studies hoax papers. It has to be a hoax editorial and we are going to be laughing about this in a couple of days, max.
I have two general rules for my wife:
1. Hot meals in the kitchen
2. Hot sex in the bedroom
She has two basic rules for me
1. You better bring home the money, Honey
2. You better impregnate me with some good lookin' children.
I would commend these simple rules for a healthy marriage to Prof Yancy Boy.
Boys chasing girls chasing boys. Some guys and gals are caught sleeping at the wheel. Wake up.
Who said men are from Mars, women are from Venus, and babies are conceived on Earth?
A "soul murderer" (Heaven and Earth) is Pro-Choice. A "spirit murderer" (Mind and Body) is Pro-Genocide.
"It is hard to admit we are sexist. I...would like to think that I possess genuine feminist bona fides"
Sexist: to make pre-judgements, to be prejudiced, based on sex.
Feminist: to adhere to a particular set of pre-judgements regarding sex.
Therefore: It is hard to admit we are sexist. I...would like to think that I am a genuine sexist.
Althouse shoulda put a Navel Gazing Trigger Warning ahead of this post.
the Soviet constitution. It's a wonderful explication of human rights
... for minority regimes and economic monopolies and practices. A virtual plethora of redistributive change, and, when the mood strikes them, retributive change.
"Through my silence and an uninterrogated collective misogyny, I have failed you."
Would someone translate this to English? I have no idea what "uninterrogated collective misogyny" means.
Basically, its "blah,blah, PC correctness, blah,blah"
Hope this gets me a promotion or some pussy.
In the USSR, Mr. Yancy would be telling us how much he loves Comrade Stalin.
"Through my silence and an uninterrogated collective misogyny, I have failed you."
Sounds like he's apologizing to his wife for a premature ejaculation or something.
Dude, don't be a drama queen!
"I do 99.5% of the cooking. Why? Because I'm a better cook."
I do 80% of the cooking since I have the time, and she doesn't. Plus, my housecleaning does NOT meet the female Rcocean family standards. Sadly, our female coolie labor is off to College, never to return full time.
Man...that is one fucked up generation.
there is no such thing as "collective misogyny" unless codified in laws. Every act is an act of individuals. "collective" stuff is Marxism. There is a lot of ungratefulness going around and there does not, in the absence of common traditions, seem to be any standard way to divide up the housework. Women who resent men just because they are men are irrational and do not prove thereby that they are adults. Being ready to fight at the perception of a slight or wrong use of words is no way to get along with your husband.
This post is designed to be a self esteem boost for cuckservatives.
Makes one wonder why the New York Times ran it then, Howard? Do you suppose that they feel bad for their cuck allies?
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