(I'm noticing this because it's it's located here in Madison.)
ADDED: "The 15th annual White Privilege Conference (WPC) will come to Madison, Wis., late this March, and Wisconsin taxpayers are being forced to foot a heavy portion of the bill."
Educators, school faculty members, nonprofit staff, students, and others are expected to attend the conference, which will be partly funded by municipal coffers, public universities, and hotel-tax revenue....
Taxpayers will also incur costs paying substitute teachers to fill in for absent educators at the four-day long conference that runs from Wednesday, March 26, to Saturday, March 29. Outside of taxpayer funding, the WPC depends on donations and fees. Registration for the entire conference can cost from $195 for a college student to $440 for a corporate attendee.
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I would place this conference within Dante's eighth circle of hell - fraud.
Before coffee, I read that as "What is the White House Privilege Conference?"
(Link fixed. Thanks for the heads-up.)
The Rainbow Warriors confer: that's the inference.
All the "Concurrent Workshops" don't reveal much. Sounds like the "1500" attendees wandering around feeling good about themselves.
Who is paying for this? Is this to recruit Acorn-type players for 2014 and 2016.
The agenda seems to have designed by women.
Whites and seniors can register early and will receive a $20 discount.
The University of Wisconsin is - system-wide - forcing the white privilege belief system on its students. My son's girlfriend had to take their indoctrination classes while studying to be a social worker.
PC is an evil religion.
"2.It is not a conference designed to attack, degrade or beat up on white folks."
Of course it is not designed to attack white folks. It could just as easily have been named Black Privilege Conference or Brown Privilege Conference or Yellow Privilege Conference and nothing would have changed. Is it offensive to read those proposed names? Do those names sound racist?
"2.It is not a conference designed to attack, degrade or beat up on white folks."
Riiiight.
Next up: the Water is Wet Conference.
"...although I may notice that hell is more enjoyable."
LOL! Well put! (ALL of it, really) THE major signifier of ALL lefties seems to be a studied lack of humor and total inability to sense the ironic in their many variations on The Theater of the Absurd.
Meade is really into this shit. Is he attending?
White Privilege is when you get to go on a taxpayer-funded vacation to complain about white people.
White Privilege is when you get to go on a taxpayer-funded vacation to complain about white people.
Althouse, you will be attending this conference, no? It seems to be about you, a white woman of high income, the security of tenure, the very embodiment of white privilege.
duntov283 said...
"Althouse, you will be attending this conference, no? It seems to be about you, a white woman of high income, the security of tenure, the very embodiment of white privilege."
Naw. Females are exempt from white privilege.
Are you satirizing or endorsing, Althouse?
From your comments yesterday:
You seem to assume that there's no effort in just shutting up about the direction of your genitalia, but the public presentation of sexual orientation is a much bigger matter and people are putting effort into hiding it.
Given you ability to write this kind of mindless drivel, and to fantasize that you are fighting the demonic bigots who hate gays, what difference is there between you and the loons at this conference?
I am unimpressed with the National Review article you linked.
The more interesting question is, who is making money from this? It isn't just a annual conference. It's a year round enterprise, with speakers bureaus, traveling seminars, online courses for credit, academic "certificates," gear (hats, water bottles, etc), journals and other money generating activities.
There are likely people getting paid very nicely to put all this together. They would not be so crass as to be a for profit enterprise though, would they?
National Review basically regurgitated a short press release. There's some actual reporting to be done here.
Re-education through Labor is that part of the Chinese penal system designed to reform the thoughts of noncriminals who have committed offenses. This conference sounds as if it might qualify for continuing education credits in China.
I'd like to attend for trolling purposes (prolly get kicked out, hey I haven't been kicked out of anywhere for a long time - might be fun).
I'd like to attend with Crack and ST. The three of us would effectively end this charade. I see chaos, wilding, polar bear hunting, and possibly jail time.
I better stay home.
Pogo is Dead,
PC is an evil religion.
I agree - but not as bad as the racism I found hiding under the Republican banner.
So that means I've found a virulent racism on the Left and Right.
Get to the damned conference,...
LOL. See what I mean.
The Crack Emcee said...
"So that means I've found a virulent racism on the Left and Right.
Get to the damned conference,..."
Why attend?
So, I guess what we all want to know, Althouse is...
Are you and Meade going to be the guests of honor?
I disagree with Crack and find his opinions odious on just about every subject...
Except for his constant complaining that well-to-do white women like Althouse co-opted the black civil rights movement in a cynical attempt to garner more goodies for themselves and their kids.
What started out as a movement to help poor black people out of Jim Crow has turned into free stuff and favoritism for rich white college professors and their kids.
Althouse loves that shit.
Illuninati,
Why attend?
Because it's pretty obvious, as everyone makes smug jokes about it, it's needed more than they think.
The Ex-prosecutor calls it Dante's eighth circle of hell - what circle is forcing people to live with other's unchecked racism, then?
It's not even a concern - because everyone's so compassionate and knowledgable - yet I find racism amongst their ranks every day.
Every Single. Day.
But they don't see it. And they don't want to hear about it - even if it's true and they might be my employer, or in some other capacity to harm my life, utilizing the phrase "I just don't think you're going to work out here" - because theres no racism involved, right?
Riiiight.
Get to the damned conference,...
Shouting Thomas,
What started out as a movement to help poor black people out of Jim Crow has turned into free stuff and favoritism for rich white college professors and their kids.
Althouse loves that shit.
That does seem to be the case,...
Well, you can see where Crack and I part company.
Atlhouse employed precisely the same tactics throughout her gay marriage campaign.
The proof that we were bigots was that we disagreed with her politics. Ultimately, after all her bullshit about the persecution of gays, disagreement with her politics was the only persecution she could discover.
And, since she'd proven that we were bigots because we disagreed with her politics, there was no choice but to enact her agenda.
Disagreement with Althouse (and with Crack) is the proof that we are evil bigots!
Crack just isn't as adept as Althouse at transforming this bullshit into power, position, money and influence.
A while back I bought an audiotape book by a New Englander who discovered that his ancestors had made their fortune through the slave trade. He came across as pathetic with all his self flagellation about white privilege. He insisted that all his family must participate in the self flagellation. The positive side is that for once he wasn't beating up on Southern Whites.
On the other hand, I worked with an OB-GYN doctor in New Mexico who was from Africa. He knew I used to live in Africa, so we had some good talks. His great-grandmother was a tribal leader in Africa who also participated in the slave trade. The difference between the white man and the African man is that the African doctor didn't beat himself up about something which an ancestor did long before he was born. Neither did he talk about white privilege.
A privilege question: If the federal government recognizes gay marriages no matter which state issued the license, shouldn't they also recognize a concealed carry license, no matter which state issued it?
Is that not fair?
"2. It is not a conference designed to attack, degrade or beat up on white folks."
Of course not. That would be assault and battery.
"4. WPC is a conference designed to examine issues of privilege beyond skin color."
I don't know. The first word of the title seems to be a dead giveaway.
I imagine that if Frank Capra were alive today and set a movie in Madison, in addition to the bike paths, there would be a scene where the hero addresses the White Privilege Conference.
Blogger Illuminati said...
On the other hand, I worked with an OB-GYN doctor in New Mexico who was from Africa. He knew I used to live in Africa, so we had some good talks. His great-grandmother was a tribal leader in Africa who also participated in the slave trade. The difference between the white man and the African man is that the African doctor didn't beat himself up about something which an ancestor did long before he was born. Neither did he talk about white privilege.
Honest West Africans admit that. The reality is, that on the balance, the losers of Africa were sold to the slave traders by the winners of Africa. You can see why they wouldn't cheering for a massive repatriation effort. I suspect these points won't be covered in the conference.
Saaaayy...,ddh@7:36 is on to something.....call the Chinese consulate!
Educators, school faculty members, nonprofit staff, students, and others are expected to attend the conference, which will be partly funded by municipal coffers, public universities, and hotel-tax revenue
WTF?
The Crack Emcee said...
"Illuninati,
Why attend?
Because it's pretty obvious, as everyone makes smug jokes about it, it's needed more than they think."
My issue isn't that people aren't racist. That is universal. What I question is what a conference will do to change basic human nature. Probably a day spent in church filled with white and black children of God would be more helpful.
Illuninati,
The difference between the white man and the African man is that the African doctor didn't beat himself up about something which an ancestor did long before he was born. Neither did he talk about white privilege.
No, the difference is the African didn't have his name plastered on the human beings he lives with, so there was no psychological damage for him regarding his country's victims.
This is precisely the type of so-obvious-it-hurts insight I was referring to whites being blithely ignorant of as they make their supposedly-world-weary pronouncements, with power and money stacked all on their side, thanks to the white supremacists they insist were so long ago but keep being found right in our own backyards, both in terms of location and time.
And far less of that money and power is rightly earned than they give themselves credit for.
That seems to be why they must lord it over us, as long as it lasts.
Get to the damned conference,...
The Crack Emcee said...
"No, the difference is the African didn't have his name plastered on the human beings he lives with, so there was no psychological damage for him regarding his country's victims."
Crack, I don't buy that for a minute. My African's great-grandmother was a leader of the tribe which actually went into the interior of Africa, enslaved other tribes, and sold them to the slave ships. No African great grand-mother no slaves.
Crack. The fact that the conference is being held in lilly white Madison is revealing. The attendees will attend to make themselves feel good about themselves. For those with eyes in Atlanta the WP conference is an everyday event.
Meade. The term lilly white has been in use for seven hundred years as descriptive of skin color.
Illuninati,
No African great grand-mother no slaves.
Now you're arguing a point I'm not:
What happened in Africa - which is a fact - doesn't diminish, eliminate, or expound on crimes America is guilty of.
All you're doing is embellishing.
No "All Men Are Created Equal" no crime is proper usage here.
And last I checked, that wasn't an African concept.
Struggling only compounds the crime, BTW,...
Michael,
That the conference is being held in lilly white Madison is revealing. The attendees will attend to make themselves feel good about themselves. For those with eyes in Atlanta the WP conference is an everyday event.
I think about that a lot - how no one can force whites to do anything. Even with the damning racial history of this country, they get to determine their education and punishments, or utilize any number of unchallengable and handy escape clauses and hatches - including disinterest - while everyone else is suffering high blood pressure because, along with the abuse, all they can really do is watch.
Talk about the eighth circle of hell,….
The conference is unique in its ability to bring together high school and college students, teachers, university faculty and higher education professionals, nonprofit staff, activists, social workers and counselors, healthcare workers, and members of the spiritual community and corporate arena. Annually, more than 1,500 attend from more than 35 states, Australia, Bermuda, Canada, and Germany.
Really, you cannot make this stuff up. I particularly like the bit about "members of the spiritual community and corporate arena." Also the attendees' nationalities. What's not to like about "Australia, Bermuda, Canada, and Germany"?
That song he sings has only one note; the same note played over and over and over and over.
A few years back, I was training a young man from Nigeria that my company had hired out of college. His family was from Nigeria (on of his parents was a UN representative). We all had to attend Diversity training together. The moderator was a black woman. When she asked the young man what he thought of racism in America, he stated that he did not like being around American blacks because they were so uptight about race. He found it off putting. The moderator was speechless.
Did anyone see the PBS documentary on America's spying on blacks last night? What would've been the point of watching that, right?
How about those Old Photos Showing Andrew Breitbart and James O’Keefe Hobnobbing with White Nationalists? I should feel great giving conservatives the doubt there, shouldn't I?
I am such a racist pig, right ST?
Althouse and Meade refuse to answer?
Are you just attending or are you the guests of honor?
@Crack
I don't give a shit, really, about racism, or who's racist.
We're all interested in different things.
Yes, you are a racist. If I were a personal friend of yours, I really wouldn't give a damn.
I'm not interested in fixing the world. Just getting on and enjoying life. I BS about politics for the entertainment value.
Unknown,
We all had to attend Diversity training together. The moderator was a black woman. When she asked the young man what he thought of racism in America, he stated that he did not like being around American blacks because they were so uptight about race. He found it off putting. The moderator was speechless.
I would've been, too, considering - after 400 years - most of the major changes have happened since I've been alive.
The ignorance is breathtaking.
And truly off-putting.
illuminati.
My great, great-great?. anyway, grandparents on my mothers side owned slaves. Since they weren't large land owners, but instead were either politicians, layers, or in some sort of mercantile business, I can't imagine they owned very many. I can't imagine they were treated too badly since their childrens children worked for or hunted and fished with my grandfather.
And somehow I've managed to reach adulthood unfettered by guilt or basking in "white privilege" .
Unless of course by "white privilege" you mean I had to get up at 5:30 AM on a Saturday when it's 3 Deg.F outside and don my freezing cold spatter leathers and weld up a bunch of iron that some lazy coworker thought was beneath his paygrade. All so I can pay the taxes to support our fellow citizens that are taking advantage of "opportunities" that unemployment can provide.
That white privilege?
(Fist in air)
White Privilege!
White Privilege!
White Privilege!
The 15th annual...
It's a tradition.
Unknown,
The moderator was speechless.
You DO REALIZE you are actually putting an example of profound ignorance on display (I guess because it came from an African) as some kind of defense against black criticism of the documented historical fact of white racism and massive theft?
And the fact the African found black reaction to their American Holocaust "off putting" is supposed to do what? Make us clutch our pearls?
I mean, somebody's got to help me out because I'm not as well-read as I'd always like to be - what kind of madness is this?
Kafka? Dostoyevsky? Orwell?
That's pretty cheap for a 3 day S&M conference.
The Wall Street Journal is braver than you guys:
This conclusion gives the book a cheery tone, but there are also plenty of nasty conclusions to be drawn. One inescapable judgment is, as Mr Clark says, that “a completely meritocratic society would most likely also be one with limited social mobility.” He does not say that American blacks are poor because they are black. His work implies, however, that poor blacks remain so because they are descended from people with low social competence; discrimination is irrelevant, except to the extent that it limits intermarriage with other groups. “The Son Also Rises” may not be a racist book, but it certainly traffics in genetic determinism.
That is a weakness. Mr Clark is too quick to write off the promise of recent social changes. The oldest Americans born after the passage of the Civil Rights Act are barely 50. Impressive work on the effect of good teaching or well-targeted poverty assistance suggest such programmes make a difference. Yet Mr Clark follows his logic to an unexpectedly egalitarian end. Redistribution is sensible, he argues, not in order to boost mobility but because mobility is intractably low. The cream will rise regardless, and so paying extraordinary salaries to capable workers is unnecessary. If high rates of mobility are used to excuse or justify inequality, he suggests, then the reality of low mobility implies something quite different: that great inequality serves little purpose and redistributing income from the rich to the poor might raise overall welfare at little economic cost. This makes for uncomfortable reading for those of all ideological persuasions.
I said racism and massive theft as a documented historical fact.
And you're only compounding the problem by acting like the blacks, you still live on the backs of, are crazy for understanding the arrangement better than you do.
You make jokes - like that's anything different than in the past,...
I kept waiting to hear Crack say: "The International White Privilege Conference is being held in Sochi!"
The Crack Emcee said...
"What happened in Africa - which is a fact - doesn't diminish, eliminate, or expound on crimes America is guilty of."
Africans who committed crimes will have to answer for their crimes and whites who committed crimes will have to answer for theirs. There is no black or white privilege when it come to responsibility for crimes.
The Crack Emcee also said...
"Unknown,
The moderator was speechless.
You DO REALIZE you are actually putting an example of profound ignorance on display (I guess because it came from an African) as some kind of defense against black criticism of the documented historical fact of white racism and massive theft?"
Until you have the opportunity to see genocide up close and personal (i.e. Hutu vs. Tutsi) you don't fully understand racial hatred. Rwanda is still trying to heal from the latest round of tribal warfare. Believe me, most of the survivors would be delighted to live in the USA.
Shouting Thomas said...
"Meade is really into this shit. Is he attending?"
Shouti Thomas seems into imagining that I'm really "into this shit," whatever that means.
If he would like to come to Madison for the conference, I'll be happy to attend it with him.
Illuninati,
Rwanda is still trying to heal from the latest round of tribal warfare. Believe me, most of the survivors would be delighted to live in the USA.
Why must you insist on discussing Africa when were supposed to be talking about crimes to citizens of America?
It does seem,…revealing, wouldn't you say? I mean, as long as you talk about Africa (even saying who blacks should be prosecuting in your view - thanks!) you're deliberately NOT TALKING ABOUT AMERICA's crimes, right?
Even if you don't intend it, that IS the end result.
You want to prosecute some Africans?
Like we prosecuted Hitler while the lynching parties were going on here, with the huge crowds, the picnic baskets and souvenirs of human flesh for the kids?
Nah - I prefer to start the prosecution here, since this is where I live and I heard it was a good place,...
@Meade
I don't have to take a trip to Madison to talk about black people, or to actually be in the company of black people as you do.
Shit, I play keys with a band in Jersey that does Philly soul and Motown. The singers and dancers are black.
If you ever need to talk to a real live black person, I could probably arrange it for you
Why must you insist on discussing Africa when were supposed to be talking about crimes to citizens of America?
Because African-Americans make a big deal out of being African. So when an actual African resident comes over, we find his reaction to African-Americans to be of interest.
Especially as they each appear to have a very low opinion of African-Americans.
Crack
And you're only compounding the problem by acting like the blacks, you still live on the backs of, are crazy for understanding the arrangement better than you do.
OK, that's funny.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Christ that's funny.
The Crack Emcee said...
"You want to prosecute some Africans?"
They already are prosecuting some of the culprits but punishment is not the prime goal. The Africans have learned by hard experience that dwelling on the past is self defeating. Rwanda is engaged in a process of reconciliation which begins with an acknowledgement that all humans have done wrong at times.
I enjoy talking to you Crack. I have to run now but perhaps we can continue this discussion later.
Who said anything about black people, Shouti? The conference is about "white privilege". What does that mean to you? Do you consider yourself to be "white"? Either way, yes or no, what does "white privilege" mean to you?
Race baiting AND some good ol' fashioned teacher-hatin'?!
Althouse has a two-for-one special going on today...bet the Amazon Portal is on fiiiiiiiire!
White Privilege talk is for those who don't have a job to get done! I don't recall ever having a WP discussion with my Black boss during those 10 years.
My daughter and her Black boss (Big 4 Accounting Firm) were too busy working seven days a week to discuss WP!
Here's how it would go, " I know I'm the boss, but you see ....."
Hitler came to power in 1933. Here's what was going on here at the time.
I'm sure, if the Hutus and the Tutsis understood America as blacks here do, they'd be no more impressed with it than we are.
White America is very keen on not letting that happen.
Not even inside these borders.
The sick part is how ordinary white citizens like yourself act as ground troops for spreading such propaganda.
WHite American racism is a documented historical fact.
Don't shy away from it, don't look elsewhere, and don't get defensive - you didn't do it.
But fighting it IS your responsibility.
We're Americans.
Get to the damned conference.
Like when Don Corlone had family from the old country brought over for the wedding.
And the foreign cousin points out some embarassingly obvious things that everyone else has been pretending not to notice.
"what does "white privilege" mean to you?"
It means whatever the liberal you're talking to wants it to mean. It's sort of like "climate change" that way.
Fen,
African-Americans make a big deal out of being African. So when an actual African resident comes over, we find his reaction to African-Americans to be of interest.
Your ignorance, right there, is - again - breathtaking (This is one reason for reparations - it's simply not fair for me to have to live with this, for you to be so ignorant, and for me to have to explain everything to you for your benefit because the rest are just as ignorant as you are. I mean, is it really too much for whites to bone up on their country?)
American blacks do not "make a big deal out of being African" because - surprise - we're not. We're American. Americans descended from Africa is the best we get, thanks to slavery.
You find the Africans opinion "to be of interest" for racist notions and nothing more. The African's ignorance interests not in the least, otherwise you would've corrected them yourself, because you're an American and someone from another country was attempting to denigrate your countryman - as I have done for whites amongst my black friends and in France.
Being coy about your racism is "off putting", don't you think?
what does "white privilege" mean to you?
"White priv" is like "Mansplanning" - a Newspeak term meant to marginalize any white male who does not agree with my myth of racial/gender victimization.
Its also a non-falsifiable fallacy: denying your white priv only means you exercising your priv to be oblivious to it.
Its a pathetic debate trick. Anyone who uses it on me is suspect of being a race-mongerer or feminazi, and likely also socialist scum.
First libtard asshole who says "check your privilege" to me without ironic intent gets a punch in the face.
By the way... Lynchers? Democrats.
jacksonjay,
I don't recall ever having a WP discussion with my Black boss during those 10 years.
You must be that Duck Dynasty guy, right?
Blacks know who we can talk to and who we can't,...
Do you consider yourself to be "white"? Either way, yes or no, what does "white privilege" mean to you?
First question is a real head scratcher. I guess you're into race as a social construct BS. Hard to make anything out of that jibberish.
"White privilege" means "rent seeking" to me. Look it up. Rent seeking is a huge biz, and a favorite pastime of lawyers. You wife trains lawyers in rent seeking. Feminism is rent seeking. So, too, gay BS.
We all have to eat some shit to survive. I've done the rent seeking bullshit, too. Hell, back when I was still working, one of my jobs was to do the tech work behind putting up online courses. Everybody in the corporate world wanted a "Diversity" course, but nobody could figure out what in the hell to put in it, because the Diversity BS can be summarized in one paragraph.
So, irony of all ironies... the corporate clients usually gave up and delegated to me the task of trying to puff up the content. What a headache that was! Because there is no there there.
You find the Africans opinion "to be of interest" for racist notions and nothing more.
Its of interest because he's a genetic control factor. The ancestral lines are close enough to cancel each other out, so the differences that stand out can be attributed to something other than race.
Explain hows thats racist again? Seriously.
"I mean, somebody's got to help me out because I'm not as well-read as I'd always like to be - what kind of madness is this?"
You could read this:
“I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.”
Thomas Sowell.
I know you are doing parody but you do it so well.
Jason said...
By the way... Lynchers? Democrats.
Another attempt at distraction.
Those are now the Republicans - great slight of hand there.
MLK said for blacks to leave the Republican Party until they stopped being racist - blacks havent returned.
I's it's wrong to keep screaming MLK was a Republican with that history, too.
White people want to avoid staying on the topic at all costs.
That's fascinating,...
The title of the keynote speaker's presentation will be "The Normandy Invasion as White Privilege."
He has statistics showing that more than 98.5% of those who got to enjoy the Normandy festivities were white.
Fen,
Its of interest because he's a genetic control factor. The ancestral lines are close enough to cancel each other out, so the differences that stand out can be attributed to something other than race.
Explain hows thats racist again? Seriously.
Wow.
Last I checked, in this country, slavery and it's results both fall under the heading of racist, so yeah.
How un-self-aware are you on this topic?
Your opinion.
I'm truly interested.
A pretty interesting and accurate description of rent seeking.
Way to go with the Crack Bait, lady.
Michael K,
Thomas Sowell.
I know you are doing parody but you do it so well.
You know, I love the guy - I really do - but as one of like 5 black Republicans, I think I'm going to have to go with the larger group on this one because they don't get rewarded for taking their position as black conservatives do for taking the white one.
I've been there - I know.
Say whites aren't racist as they whoop it up over Trayvon Martin's killing and they send money.
Say you heard and saw them making racist comments as they partied over Trayvon's killing and the money dries up.
The foundation of the wealth they ladle out, to maintain the lie, was slavery of course.
Insidious and sinister.
Salute the flag,...
They can't call it the "Blame Whitey Conference" as it would give the game away.
Folks,
You've entered the Hall of Mirrors show with Crack.
Abandon all hope ye who enter here.
I'm gonna go learn some tunes.
SGT Ted said...
They can't call it the "Blame Whitey Conference" as it would give the game away.
Considering whitey was guilty, I don't why not.
And, considering whitey was guilty but WASN'T YOU, I don't know why you'd mind, either way.
You're not a racist, are you?
Shouting Thomas,
I'm gonna go learn some tunes.
Try and find some NOT ripped off from black folks to cover.
That should keep you busy into the next century,...
Paco Wové said...
"what does "white privilege" mean to you?"
It means whatever the liberal you're talking to wants it to mean.
White Privilege is Academia's attempt to overcome the public relations disaster of racially discriminating against children.
Shouting Thomas said...
Folks,
You've entered the Hall of Mirrors show with Crack.
Because I singlehandedly wrote the racist history of America.
Why must you insist on discussing Africa when were supposed to be talking about crimes to citizens of America?
Because most of those guys are dead, bro.
I've never owned any slaves.
You've never been in chains, unless they are the ones you've created to weigh down your mind and choke your conscience with anti-white racism.
Since I didn't commit any crimes against blacks I don't expect to be held accountable for the crimes of other guys, simply because those other guys were white.
White people aren't going to be able to help black people out of poverty, if the last 60 years of wealth transfers from whites to blacks is any indication. AA isn't cutting it, apparently.
Black people are going to have to get themselves out of poverty, like all the other ethnic minorities have done in the USA. By going to work anonymously and without fanfare and slowly building the wealth to make the changes themselves. My Irish and Scottish ancestors had to deal with Anglo and Germanic bigotry in the same fashion.
You really need to address your historical grievance with the Democrat Party. They were really the ones responsible for all that stuff continuing after the Civil War.
Hey Crack,
Blacks know who we can talk to and who we can't,...
You totally miss the part about Black BOSS!
You do remember those Oprah quotes about all those white women working for her?
Yeah, I do kinda enjoy the Duck Dynasty guys! But being a Cracka-assed Cracka, I would! BTW, is a Crack-a better than a Cracke-r? You being all brilliant and such!
That should keep you busy into the next century...
That's encouraging.
I'll be having some fun, hanging out with friends, joking around, moving, doing things...
And, you'll still be doing nothing except bitching.
Somehow, that this could be why you are so miserable (and you yourself constantly state) never occurs to you.
Bitching is all you know how to do.
At least I know how to have a good time, make a little dough and get out there in front of an audience.
This shit you are doing here is what is wrecking your life.
And, let me fashion your reply for you...
I've got to fix the whole fucking world before I will lower myself to doing something.
A recent article from the Socialist Worker claims Madison is the most "racist" city in the US. Madison's woeful statistics should come in handy at the flogging conference.
http://socialistworker.org/2013/10/31/most-racist-city-in-the-us
SGT Ted,
Because most of those guys are dead, bro.
"Most"? But wee still hunt down Nazis? Return stolen art? Pay reparations? Say never again?
Just not for blacks, right? And you seriously think, whites deciding that, is the end of it? Hilarious.
I've never owned any slaves.
Who said you did? But you are an American, are you not? And this country did bust it's nut on slaves, did it not? And the majority of their descendants are broke now, correct? And that was by law, right?
You've never been in chains, unless they are the ones you've created to weigh down your mind and choke your conscience with anti-white racism.
No, but I've also never met blacks who got an inheritance, either. What happened to it? It never existed? Why not? Where'd it go?
White people aren't going to be able to help black people out of poverty, if the last 60 years of wealth transfers from whites to blacks is any indication. AA isn't cutting it, apparently.
That's why we're going to open the treasury and get you out of our way - you're a hindrance to our advancement.
Black people are going to have to get themselves out of poverty, like all the other ethnic minorities have done in the USA.
Yes, by suing our country in the international court like everyone else.
You really need to address your historical grievance with the Democrat Party. They were really the ones responsible for all that stuff continuing after the Civil War.
But the Republicans are doing it now, so I'll just blame whites as a group and leave it alone.
Bitch, bitch, bitch...
Wah!
Bitch, bitch, bitch...
Wah!
The world isn't the way I want it to be...
Bitch, bitch, bitch...
jacksonjay said...
Hey Crack,
Blacks know who we can talk to and who we can't,...
You totally miss the part about Black BOSS!
No I didn't - you're ignorant, so everything has to be explained to you, like you're six:
This is America. A black boss is still a nigger. He's no more likely to talk to a white underling than any white above him - both are dangerous.
It's like me, here - to most of you, I'm not "really black" so you think abusing me isn't racism because you don't see it that way.
Even if the results are the same.
What whites won't do is decide to be civilized and stop torturing other people unnecessarily.
That's a historical insult to their pride.
Just ask ST.
No, Crack, I don't subscribe to "white guilt" for things I am not personally responsible for.
Which is why I reject calls from the "black Community" leaders that I am somehow responsible for the conditions of their own neighborhoods, rather than the people who live there being responsible for the conditions.
I am living in a rougher but majority white neighborhood, where the junkies and homeless are predominately white. They aren't blaming the Mexicans or blacks for their condition.
Note that the poor, rural white towns rife with meth abuse don't seek to blame outsiders of a different color, who have never lived there, for their problems.
If you are not going to see the truth about the problem, you will never solve the problem. The "you owe me" civil rights crowd doesn't get that part.
The full moon explains the lunatic's rant!
SGT Ted said...
No, Crack, I don't subscribe to "white guilt" for things I am not personally responsible for.
I dare you to find one example where I posited that straw man you so ably set on fire.
Which is why I reject calls from the "black Community" leaders that I am somehow responsible for the conditions of their own neighborhoods, rather than the people who live there being responsible for the conditions.
Um, the people who live there haven't been free long enough to understand a whole lot of things - consider:
400 years of bullshit Vs. about 40 years of some kind of freedom. Less if you include Rodney King as an example of how life was like more recently.
Deny it - I dare you.
I am living in a rougher but majority white neighborhood, where the junkies and homeless are predominately white. They aren't blaming the Mexicans or blacks for their condition.
Well, again, there are these things called "facts" that keep us from getting confused on these issues. Stick with them, we'll find our way out.
Note that the poor, rural white towns rife with meth abuse don't seek to blame outsiders of a different color, who have never lived there, for their problems.
Note that 1) they don't have a documented factual reason to, and 2) you couldn't give a shit either way, so what's your point?
If you are not going to see the truth about the problem, you will never solve the problem. The "you owe me" civil rights crowd doesn't get that part.
I don't know - got the presidency right on schedule. The rest should follow.
I'd say, as I have said, it's whites who don't seem aware of what's going on,...
Interesting how Black is a proper noun for me and not for Crack!
BOSS
PRIVILEGE
Let me it explain to YOU! A Black BOSS looks silly trying to explain White Privilege to a white subordinate! Therefore, Crack, the discussion would not happen!
Cracka or Cracker? Cuz you know if it's Cracka that means we down and all!
I truly wish there was a one time reparations payment if that meant that whiney black folk would shut the hell up.
And no, I am not responsible, as an "American", for any black persons plight today. Just like the British or Europeans are not responsible for the plight of any of the people they stripped of citizenship, stole their lands and exiled to the New World.
I told you I reject the "white guilt" bullshit right up front. Because your entire argument relies on me feeling guilt for what other white people did.
I'm not them, they aren't me and if you have a tort, get a lawyer and sue. The Democrats are the most guilty institution. The GOP sent the 101st Airborne to protect your rights when it most mattered and put Wallace in his place, but you will ignore that.
I cannot think of one racist inspired law in the modern era from the GOP.
So, fuck off with all of that bullshit.
I mean, Sarge, I'm using phrases like "breathtaking ignorance" and you guys just keep on going.
It's wild.
But the Republicans are doing it now, so I'll just blame whites as a group and leave it alone
That's a big fat lie. What utter bullshit.
You lump all the GOP as white racists and indict whites for the plight of blacks in America everywhere when talking to me, an obvious white guy, and then you say you aren't trying to use that liberal construct of "white guilt" on me?
Who do you think you are fooling?
Why was the black marriage rate higher and out of wedlock birth rate lower before the Great Society and during those evil Jim Crow Days?
Modern dysfunctional ghetto culture owes far more to Democrat wealth transfer politics of the 1960s than white racism in general.
A black boss is still a nigger.
Maybe to a racist. I had quite a few black bosses and most of them were cool.
The only one I ever had a problem with was a black General with a big chip on his shoulder, because he grew up in the South and came of age in the 1960s, who, despite his success, still thought that the white kids born in liberal CA were the same as the white bigots in Mississippi.
His problem was his racism towards whites he never knew before, thinking we were all the same, because of our skin color.
SGT Ted said...
You lump all the GOP as white racists and indict whites for the plight of blacks in America everywhere when talking to me, an obvious white guy, and then you say you aren't trying to use that liberal construct of "white guilt" on me?
No - I specifically wrote don't be defensive above because YOU DIDN'T DO IT, so you're imagining things.
Do you know how hard it is to live with violent people who imagine things?
Why was the black marriage rate higher and out of wedlock birth rate lower before the Great Society and during those evil Jim Crow Days?
It wasn't - how could it be when black families were broken up in slavery? You imagine a black world that never existed.
Modern dysfunctional ghetto culture owes far more to Democrat wealth transfer politics of the 1960s than white racism in general.
Agreed - but that doesn't let white Republicans off the hook - or the country.
Look, it's simple - there was a crime. The country has to deal with the crime. Nobody has to be persecuted - just deal with the crime.
All this "I didn't do it" bullshit is pointless,...
jacksonjay,
Let me it explain to YOU! A Black BOSS looks silly trying to explain White Privilege to a white subordinate! Therefore, Crack, the discussion would not happen!
Bullshit - I've had that very conversation with white subordinates.
But they weren't assholes, of course,...
"I truly wish there was a one time reparations payment if that meant that whiney black folk would shut the hell up."
A lot of people voted for Obama with the same thing in mind.
Yeah Sarge,
I loved the Black boss I had and hated the white goof that followed! But, of course, that's just one of those "my Black friend" constructs to Crack!
Original Mike said...
"I truly wish there was a one time reparations payment if that meant that whiney black folk would shut the hell up."
A lot of people voted for Obama with the same thing in mind.
Wow - can he be redeemed for cash or something?
"I'm using phrases like "breathtaking ignorance" and you guys just keep on going."
It's almost as if your simple declaration of something doesn't mean anybody else accepts that it is true.
jacksonjay said...
Yeah Sarge,
I loved the Black boss I had and hated the white goof that followed! But, of course, that's just one of those "my Black friend" constructs to Crack!
I think it's fascinating how people vehemently denying their racism (anybody notice I'm not?) are still staunchly standing in defiance of what I'm saying as though that's the opposite of being racist.
As I keep pointing out, the outcome is the same.
Do something, same something, be something, that reaches a different outcome than blacks losing to nothing more than your white opinion.
That would be truly new.
Paco Wové said...
"I'm using phrases like "breathtaking ignorance" and you guys just keep on going."
It's almost as if your simple declaration of something doesn't mean anybody else accepts that it is true.
Yes, but every time I mention "facts" the reaction is the same, so which is it?
Are you being ignorant or deceptive in your betrayal?
See? You bury yourself with that attitude every time.
Stop being typical racist white guys - nobody's hurting you.
You lose nothing.
You even gain your humanity.
And, believe me, you need it,...
Crack,
Bullshit,
You've had white subordinates? Hmmmm, the plot thickens!
By The Way, It is Cracka-assed Cracka Asshole to you!
Asshole songs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_KDAicF0Yo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i6OrOZwtmA
"Wow - can he be redeemed for cash or something?"
I'd chip in.
The Crack Emcee said...
I mean, Sarge, I'm using phrases like "breathtaking ignorance" and you guys just keep on going.
Brace yourself.
Maybe it ain't us.
The upside is that Crack and I are having an honest discussion on race, instead of the usual "shut up, whitey, I'm talking now" bullshit conversation preferred by the race hustlers.
I am not sure who is more insecure about their intelligence, Crack or Ann.
"Crack and I are having an honest discussion"
You are? This counts as a 'discussion'? Jesus wept.
The modern Jim Crow era is not the Slave era.
I was talking about black community of the 1950s and 60s, pre-Great Society. Not the pre-citizenship slave era.
Crack Emcee: The Wall Street Journal is braver than you guys:
I suggest you re-read the article; you don't seem to understand what it's saying.
In the first place, the only thing remotely "brave" in that review is that it gives the thesis of Clark's book a reasonably straightforward and calm airing, and saves the conventional wisdom boilerplate (i.e. highly disputable and/or unsubstantiated claims) for the last paragraph, rather than the first dozen - viz., "Mr Clark is too quick to write off the promise of recent social changes. The oldest Americans born after the passage of the Civil Rights Act are barely 50. Impressive work on the effect of good teaching or well-targeted poverty assistance suggest such programmes make a difference."
Second - what the hell do you think either the author or the review is saying or advocating? "Redistribution" - advocated in this case to ameliorate the effects of inevitable (and arguably genetically-based) human social inequality - is not the same thing as "reparations".
It actually does take some balls to think through the implications of Clark's argument for redistribution. What's so brave about clamoring for reparations? Which, by the way, have been ongoing for the last several decades now, in various forms.
Crack, the problem with your framing is that the entire WORLD is racist and bigoted in some fashion and has a racist past and it isn't limited to white people being racists against blacks. Your "devil whitey" construct is that of a bigot.
I am not denying the past at all.
I am denying any sort of culpability or responsibility for it, is all I'm saying. It's like blaming you because some black guy broke into my car 50 years ago, asking you why you aren't acknowledging the crime committed by that Black Person, like our skin color requires a collective responsibility.
Wow - can he be redeemed for cash or something?
For some people and companies, he apparently can.
Illuminati: A while back I bought an audiotape book by a New Englander who discovered that his ancestors had made their fortune through the slave trade. He came across as pathetic with all his self flagellation about white privilege. He insisted that all his family must participate in the self flagellation.
Yeah, the outings in this genre grovel right up to the border of creepy fetish porn. And then cross over. Look up some samples on youtube and try to convince yourself that these people are not suffering from some weird psycho-sexual disorder.
Rusty,
Maybe it ain't us.
Documented historical fa-oh, forget it.
This is why blacks have just stopped listening to whites at all, and are just going to run with the ball without caring about their input.
You're hopeless for anything but confrontation.
The topic was the "liberal white guilt" politics inherent in a "White Privilege Convention".
I'm not sure what happened after that.
SGT Ted said...
The upside is that Crack and I are having an honest discussion on race, instead of the usual "shut up, whitey, I'm talking now" bullshit conversation preferred by the race hustlers.
The idea I've "changed", or stopped respecting whites once I started adopting their ways, is bullshit.
I'm a Republican who found the racist heart of my country anew, and I'm sick of making that discovery. I'm also sick of trying to avoid that truth, or the expectation my life being filled with that is good enough. It's not.
I'm done with this - the country lost.
Ima write a book about my Cracker ancestors and how they scratched the ground and barely survived!
Title: My White Privilege
jacksonjay said...
I am not sure who is more insecure about their intelligence, Crack or Ann.
I know you should be in a re-education camp for creeps.
Really, even at this distance, I want to wipe my hand on my trousers just from being introduced to you,...
Documented historical fa-oh, forget it.
This is why blacks have just stopped listening to whites at all, and are just going to run with the ball without caring about their input
Crack, there's lots of "documented historical facts" about group of people treating other groups of people like shit in the past. Thats the history of the entire world.
ALL of my ancestors have been involved in treating other groups of my ancestors like shit and non-humans at times. Sometimes, it was right here in America where it happened.
What's your point? You want money? A pat on the head? Be acknowledged as the Biggest Victim?
Ok, you win. You are the Biggest Victim. Now what?
I cant pay you anything, as I'm a bit tight on funds right now because I lost my White Privilege Card some time ago, so I no longer have access to the vast hoard of Stolen Negro Wealth that all us white guys can tap when we run low on privilege.
Sorry man, you'll have to look elsewhere for a pay day.
If Blacks of today have stopped listening, it's because they don't like the answers that require THEM to let it go and leave the past behind to grasp the future.
It's getting to be like listening to some 60s hippy dinosaur complain how he had his head cracked by the Man at UC Berkeley.
It's a different world, bra. Come live in it, its a lot better than the past.
And really, what gives your perspective about race today any more validity than mine? Your skin color?
I'm a Republican who found the racist heart of my country anew, and I'm sick of making that discovery
Well, spell it out. What racism?
So far I've heard all about the past and I already know it. What this modern racist heart you are talking about?
SGT Ted said...
The modern Jim Crow era is not the Slave era.
I was talking about black community of the 1950s and 60s, pre-Great Society. Not the pre-citizenship slave era.
Again, the picture isn't accurate, though more cohesive than today, maybe. Blacks do know family. But use your imagination on our history and you can see that, after hundreds of years of forced separation and abandonment, etc., the idea of a traditional black family as whites imagine it during the MLK days was rarely, if ever a reality. We have unrelated "uncles" and so forth and always have - it's been the nature of our lives here from Day One. We don't know generations of relatives and never will. We mostly cope alone.
No, slavery still dictates a lot about American life, from how it's conducted to who does the conducting. It is why there are ghettos (generations of accumulated wealth went to white society during slavery and Jim Crow) and blacks have been forced to accept crime as a way of life because of it. Hey, whites did.
I'm not trying to hustle anybody. I know it's wrong to fuck with people as lazy because they had the misfortune of being brought to this country to pad it's lifestyle.
Everything about it is wrong.
Nice to know you, Crack.
Sincerely,
Cracka-assed Cracka Asshole Ignorant Creep
P.S. I think I got it right with insecure!
Anglelyne,
I suggest you re-read the article; you don't seem to understand what it's saying.
No, I understand it perfectly - I can read AND comprehend at the same time.
In the first place, the only thing remotely "brave" in that review is that it gives the thesis of Clark's book a reasonably straightforward and calm airing,…
Which is more than I was getting here, hence the phrase "braver than you guys"
Your next question is speculation on your part and pointless to answer, except to say "no"
It actually does take some balls to think through the implications of Clark's argument for redistribution.
That's what I said - "brave"
What's so brave about clamoring for reparations?
I never said it was - justice, fair - those are words I'd use. How do you feel about those words? Think America ought to be into those things? Justice? A little fairness?
Which, by the way, have been ongoing for the last several decades now, in various forms.
As they should be,...
The Crack Emcee said...
Rusty,
Maybe it ain't us.
Documented historical fa-oh, forget it.
This is why blacks have just stopped listening to whites at all, and are just going to run with the ball without caring about their input.
You're hopeless for anything but confrontation.
Wind you up and watch you go.
Outrage!
"This is why blacks have just stopped listening to whites at all, and are just going to run with the ball without caring about their input."
Sweet! Deal! And best of luck.
This could still be going on tomorrow!
Jesus, Crack, don't you even take time out to take a piss and look at pics of naked girls?
Being the representative of all blacks must be exhausting!
Fixing the entire world is quite a chore, too.
I will gladly leave it up to you. Have at it, chump.
I'll check back in this evening. My bet is that you are still here, still fixing up everything and everybody.
What's the pay for this kind of work?
The conference represents an effort to extrapolate from historical crimes committed by individuals to form general conclusions in order to exploit a class of people exclusively designated by their skin color. It's a recurring and long-lived enterprise to acquire leverage in order to gain an artificial advantage in politics, economics, and society generally.
The human and civil "rights" businesses love the self-promotion. The Democrats have profited greatly from denigrating individual dignity and devaluing human life. Neither offer legitimate solutions to resolve historical wrongs, and both are inexplicably involved in promoting an unprecedented violation of human rights.
SGT Ted,
Crack, the problem with your framing is that the entire WORLD is racist and bigoted in some fashion and has a racist past and it isn't limited to white people being racists against blacks. Your "devil whitey" construct is that of a bigot.
I am not denying the past at all.
No, now you're denying the present - and the basis for my current "black" schtick. Are you seriously telling me black guys in hoodie sweatshirts aren't all bunched together when convenient for the violent black man narrative? C'mon Sarge, let's play nice and brave here. This clear case of bigotry you mention, from me, is being reflected back from society:
Are you getting it yet?
I am denying any sort of culpability or responsibility for it, is all I'm saying. It's like blaming you because some black guy broke into my car 50 years ago, asking you why you aren't acknowledging the crime committed by that Black Person, like our skin color requires a collective responsibility.
No, I'm actually sorry now, because you're being sincere and I've got to show it to you anyway:
Earlier, you mentioned Race Hustlers. In order to use that term, you have to ignore the reality these men, however flawed, have come out of. And that's not fair. It's an a-historical version of the facts, straight out of Jim Crow (known as Jane Crow) denying the Civil Rights Movement in order to frame these men as clowns. Men who come when no one else will. Men who still take on this nation.
We don't have to like them personally, but you can't take away the dignity in what they do - no, not even James Brown's former tour manager, Al Sharpton - because you're not doing it and no one else has ever been either.
Check out his family life section on more about the traditional black family.
Anyway, that's but one way of contributing - willingly staying ignorant in order to advance the racist narrative - even if you're not racist yourself. Dude, study up - it's fun and enlightening.
I was just reading about how many times Oregon wrote laws trying to keep blacks out - I was ROTFLMAO!! Did you do that? I don't think so - but it did have a direct influence on black lives and it's pretty much why Oregon is lilly white to this day.
And that's the point.
'Slavery" wasn't a "holocaust".
It was an economic system, one of the oldest in the world.
The idea that the USA is somehow unique in having had this economic system in place, when it was a normal part of the world economy during the time of the nations founding, is revisionist bullshit.
The "holocaust" was a genocide.
It doesn't mean that slavery is not awful or tolerable.
But, you have to use the right words when talking about it. And, you have to acknowledge the historical context of those times. Just like you have to acknowledge the historical context of 60 years ago and the players. Just like you have to acknowledge the context of today.
Lots of white folks made equal rights a fact in this nation. Abolitionists serving in the Union Army gave their lives to end slavery. White folks got hosed and dogs sicked on them and beaten and a few killed for standing up for equal rights for blacks in the 1950s and 60s. That part is always overlooked when the subject of "white guilt" and "reparations" comes up.
Anglelyne,
Look up some samples on youtube and try to convince yourself that these people are not suffering from some weird psycho-sexual disorder.
Oh yeah, it's THEM, and not the weirdos who raped so many blacks we no longer look African.
You're weird in your denial.
The minor aristocrats at Versailles were exceptionally sensitive to slights. They were raised to believe that they were special, and they were thus outraged when they were not treated with the deference they felt was their due. This sensitivity did not extend to those beyond their ken. French peasants were treated as farm animals, and especially by those who felt unfairly treated at court.....I suppose there's such a thing as white privilege. I can probably hail a cab quicker than Danny Glover (although it should be noted that Danny Glover has sufficient income to hail a cab far more frequently than me). But the person on the bottom of this particular status ladder is the cab driver. When some cab driver gets sent home to the DR or Bangladesh because of a robbery gone awry, you won't find Danny Glover chipping in to pay the expenses.......American blacks, despite their histrionics, are nowhere near the most mistreated people in the world, let alone America.
"my current "black" schtick"
Ah. Light dawns! It's an extended piece of performance art!
SGT Ted,
Ok, you win. You are the Biggest Victim. Now what?
You guys have really got to stop with this victim shit. Like white Southerners, you degrade yourselves and the entire enterprise we're trying to make worth our while.
I'm talking to you when I'm not supposed to be - my ancestors saw to that. With blood. If you can't appreciate the gravity of that, and how that means I'll never be your victim, then you miss the whole ballgame. I'll say it again:
The rules only changed during my lifetime kids, and that's not a long time, so let's not pretend anyone has a good reason to trust you.
You already want to treat it like it's nothing which you wouldn't want from me if the roles were reversed. And you give no credit that blacks don't want to do to whites what whites have done to us.
Whites just seem to want to heckle us to death now.
Anyway, Sarge, yes - "the next step" is reparations. It has to be:
Fiddling around the edges, with society dictating our lives (based on lies) is useless.
Give blacks the freedom and justice we've never had.
This Crack Emcee, it is a parody account, is it not? No thinking person could be this inane, this repetitive, this non-conclusive.
"Are you seriously telling me black guys in hoodie sweatshirts aren't all bunched together when convenient for the violent black man narrative?"
The thing is, I know a lot of white guys that dress that way around my town, so, not really.
Thing is, there are caricatures and what become stereotypes for a reason. How are the people dressed being arrested on "Cops" or the criminal shown in the news?
It USED to be a Gangster was a depiction of a white guy in a fancy suit. Only White guys.
Nowadays, the Gangsta is a black guy dressed in the hoodie/baggy pants uniform. Or sometimes an Italian, or Chicano in a wife beater and tats, or Russian dressed in a track suit.
So, you are seeing race where some are seeing dress and conduct and the current demographics of an ever changing underworld.
Another aspect of changing times is, it used to be that parents paid attention and didn't let their kids dress up like the hoodlums. Now, parents don't care; it's all just fashion and mindless.
It used to be if you dressed like a hood, you got treated like one. I think there's an element of that going on.
So, what would be fit reparations?
CE:No, I understand it perfectly - I can read AND comprehend at the same time.
OK, then maybe you can explain the connection between what the book and the review are about, and what they have to do with either the topic of this post or what you've been going on about in this thread. Because Clark's book isn't about the evils of racism or why whites should pay reparations to blacks for past injustices.
So what you meant was that you think it's brave to argue that social inequality is inevitable and very probably genetic? True, that can take balls. People get fired and witch-hunted all the time for making reasonable arguments in support of that view. Me, I'll go there no problem, but I'm not in a position where I have to worry about being sacked or struggle-sessioned to insanity for doing so.
I wonder if the annoying reluctance to use quotation marks or italics to indicate who's saying what in an exchange is heritable?
A: "Which, by the way, have been ongoing for the last several decades now, in various forms.
CM: As they should be,...
So reparations should be an eternal feature of the social order, eh? I'm sure you can get the Nice White Ladies of both sexes who do things like attend "white privilege" conferences to simper along sympathetically with this view. Good luck keeping 'em coming as the demographics change and the economy keeps grinding down the middle-class.
"This is why blacks have just stopped listening to whites at all, and are just going to run with the ball without caring about their input."
You mean run with the iPad, don't you?
I have to say that I really don't buy the "legacy of slavery" excuse for the black family disintegration since the 1960s, since the black marriage rate was higher and the out of wedlock birth rate lower prior to that. I think it's a cop-out.
That one I lay firmly on whites that passed the Great Society welfare laws that made it profitable for women to kick the men, of any color, out of the family home.
The white marriage rate began to decline and the out of wedlock birth rate went up at the same time.
SGT Ted said...
'Slavery" wasn't a "holocaust".
It was an economic system, one of the oldest in the world.
Involving the brutal treatment of human beings. Last count for blacks - 125 million. I'd say that's a Holocaust.
And you "sound Nazi" denying it.
The idea that the USA is somehow unique in having had this economic system in place, when it was a normal part of the world economy during the time of the nations founding, is revisionist bullshit.
No - the U.S. was unique in how it carried it out, specifically as applied to blacks - that's why it was known as "the peculiar institution". Nobody did slavery quite like America did slavery.
But, you have to use the right words when talking about it. And, you have to acknowledge the historical context of those times. Just like you have to acknowledge the historical context of 60 years ago and the players. Just like you have to acknowledge the context of today.
I acknowledge all of that - and I watched MLK's funeral live - so where does the line called "the end" begin, because me and mine expect justice for what came before it was over?
Lots of white folks made equal rights a fact in this nation. Abolitionists serving in the Union Army gave their lives to end slavery. White folks got hosed and dogs sicked on them and beaten and a few killed for standing up for equal rights for blacks in the 1950s and 60s. That part is always overlooked when the subject of "white guilt" and "reparations" comes up.
No it isn't, but that's a choice - they were joining a movement already in motion because it was black people fighting for their own lives who were leading it. And every time blacks make any advance, they abandon us - that's the story of 40 Acres and a Mule and everything since - so please, if you don't want to wallow in the past, the work of whites can sometimes be a good place to start because blacks would be a lot farther if the weren't so feckless.
Hell, I wouldn't be the only one defending this position here.
Or the purse? "Grab your reparations from the little old lady and run!"
William,
American blacks, despite their histrionics, are nowhere near the most mistreated people in the world, let alone America.
My GOD that's a stupid thing to say. It's not a contest, it's a crime, you moron.
What kind of American are you?
Crack said:
Whites just seem to want to heckle us to death now.
And yet, he seems so very lively!
Anglelyne,
OK, then maybe you can explain the connection between what the book and the review are about, and what they have to do with either the topic of this post or what you've been going on about in this thread. Because Clark's book isn't about the evils of racism or why whites should pay reparations to blacks for past injustices.
God, you are stupid:
The book is about mobility - the ability to move up the economic ladder.
Because you're stupid, I'll explain it to you:
Whites stole our money and now blacks are poor.
God you're stupid.
'Give blacks the freedom and justice we've never had."
All you gotta do is pay us.
Some funny shit.
"Whites stole our money and now blacks are poor."
Yeah, well. Some black guy stole my iPad. So I guess I'll have to buy another.
Rusty said...
'Give blacks the freedom and justice we've never had."
All you gotta do is pay us.
Some funny shit.
hey, welcome to America, asshole, you must be new,...
"Blacks....are just going to run with the ball...."
Racist!
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These rules on the Althouse blog, they are not enforced, are they? Or is there a grant of Black Privilege?
duntov283,
These rules on the Althouse blog, they are not enforced, are they?
Ooooh, and who has appointed himself hall monitor?
Gotta get that black guy.
Like calling us lazy, liars, whatever, this is all such new post-racial behavior for whites.
Oh yeah - I trust you.
Emcee, I was not addressing you.
When I do address you, I will do so by starting with your name, as I am in this message.
It's nice to know that in todays day and age, racists cane be both frumpy old women in academia who cry at conferences, as well as pathetic failed rappers with no talent.
Maybe Crack is just upset that Althouse took in the similarly talentless Meade to live in a house he didn't pay for and be her kept man instead of him.
Crack, why don't you ask Ann for the reparations? I'm sure Meade wouldn't mind, especially since due to Althouse's militant insistence on changing the definition of marriage, she must logically be in favor of polygamy?
Or is that too Mormon for you, bigot?
Hope and change.
"Give blacks..."
All that needs to be said.
Sorun said...
"Give blacks..."
All that needs to be said.
No - "take from blacks"
That was said and done too much
funny how you guys have such a tough time focussing on that - I wonder why blacks keep doubting your sincerity?
Really, from Obama on down, it's all Fuck All Y'allfrom here on out.
Watch - you demand it,...
So, does General Colin Powell get reparations? Or is his lifetime 6 figure retirement enough?
How about free college for any American black who actually had slave ancestors, if they otherwise qualify to get in?
Any other demands? There's a limit to the amount of Stolen Negro Wealth I can tap into, seeing as how I can't find my White Privilege card.
*sigh*
Crack is using a leftwing social justice argument to lay claim to other peoples money, I think. And it relies on a guilty conscience to buy into.
The NAACP is certainly entitled to bring a class action civil rights lawsuit on behalf of all those who were affected by Jim Crow laws, right? Why haven't they? Why didn't they? What are they waiting for?
We have the civil courts for the remedy you seek, Crack.
What's stopping you all from lawyering up and going after those that did you harm?
That Energizer Bunny just Keeps Going!
Can you imagine what Crack could accomplish if he applied all this energy, conniving and thought to productive work?
No - "take from blacks"
When you start down that road, it generates certain questions, like
Who got their stuff taken, specifically?
and
Who took it, specifically?
and
Where's the stuff now?
and
Show me the chain of evidence that makes your claim to the stuff valid.
I get it; rights were violated. What's the usual recourse when someone's rights are violated and has that remedy been pursued? If not, why not?
Do we get a membership discount if we supported Affirmative Action?
How about States that weren't slave states? Do they get a discount?
I smell grievance mongering. Get in line: I'm still waiting on getting MINE back from the Brits, the Catholics, the Protestants, the Germans and a few others.
Oh and I judge the Race Hustlers by their reprehensible lies and criminal, crony and nepotist conduct, as well as their race baiting. Al Sharpton and Jesse are lying assholes, filling their pockets with extorted money. Don't try to excuse their scummy behavior using their skin color.
CE: God, you are stupid:
The book is about mobility - the ability to move up the economic ladder.
No, it's a book about Mr. G Clark's ideas about mobility - or, rather, immobility and social inequality, and the roots thereof. What it is not about is Mr. C. Emcee's notions about these topics.
You have read the book, right, Crack? I seem to have missed the part where he argues that poor people remain persistently poor because other people stole their money.
SGT Ted,
So, does General Colin Powell get reparations? Or is his lifetime 6 figure retirement enough?
Are rich people not entitled to being compensated for crimes?
How about free college for any American black who actually had slave ancestors, if they otherwise qualify to get in?
Why? Why not the freedom the money gives and, if someone wants to go to college, they can?
Any other demands? There's a limit to the amount of Stolen Negro Wealth I can tap into, seeing as how I can't find my White Privilege card.
You want to personalize this at every juncture, don't you? That's weird. The sign of a psychological problem. If the United States gets sued and loses - rightly - do you pay? Personally? Then why do you talk like it?
You lie even to yourself.
Crack is using a leftwing social justice argument to lay claim to other peoples money, I think. And it relies on a guilty conscience to buy into.
Call it a leftwing social justice argument if you want - call it whatever you want - the Left calls it something else. I call it the price of living in a racist country that did wrong by a group of it's citizens.
The NAACP is certainly entitled to bring a class action civil rights lawsuit on behalf of all those who were affected by Jim Crow laws, right? Why haven't they? Why didn't they? What are they waiting for?
You.
Shouting Thomas said...
That Energizer Bunny just Keeps Going!
Can you imagine what Crack could accomplish if he applied all this energy, conniving and thought to productive work?
I like that as I fight for a country, ST isn't even part of one.
This work, which blacks have been engaged in for centuries, is worthless to him.
He's a bad musician in a cover bands giving advice as he gets blow jobs from desperate women from the third world.
I wouldn't switch places with his pathetic ass for anything in the world.
SGT Ted,
Where's the stuff now?
The U. S. Treasury.
SGT Ted,
Where's the stuff now?
The U. S. Treasury.
SGT Ted,
Show me the chain of evidence that makes your claim to the stuff valid.
No - you're not a judge and obviously biased against the whole idea.
The International court it is - racists from a racist country can't be trusted.
Al Sharpton and Jesse are lying assholes, filling their pockets with extorted money. Don't try to excuse their scummy behavior using their skin color.
I didn't - I used their history - something you seem determined to strip them of.
And that's racist.
Anglelyne,
I seem to have missed the part where he argues that poor people remain persistently poor because other people stole their money.
Anglelyne, you miss you're stupid, so I'm not surprised,...
No response to me Crackie?
Racist.
You criticizing the musical ability of anyone is highly amusing to me.
Even more amusing to me is your sad pathetic life, lack of material success, and constant begging/threatening for "reparations" that you will never receive.
I fully expect you to continue this until the day that you die, which probably is not all that far off due to your age and the mortality tables.
Which are also racist, I'm sure. They can put it on your tombstone, assuming that you can afford one. "Here lies Crack, you honkeys finally got me. RACISTS!!!"
Start saving up Crack, tombstones are not cheap these days.
Can you imagine what Crack could accomplish if he applied all this energy, conniving and thought to productive work?
He must be getting paid by pixels wasted.
He has unfortunately, committed the ultimate sin here at Althouse. He's boring.
I am fucking with you because there are some mockable things you are presenting.
So, how much money then is required? I assume its per head.
Any offsets for civil war dead and destroyed wealth from the Civil War?
These things have to be asked.
We're talking big money here.
And I am just talking about how the process works, when I ask chain of custody of stolen items.
Since I will be ponying up some of the cash via taxes yea it is a bit personal.
If you are talking about going after the Democrat Parties money or the Unions that denied blacks membership, I am totally down with that.
I am still waiting for an outline of the current racist acts of the GOP.
If you are talking about going after the Democrat Parties money or the Trade Unions that denied blacks membership, I am totally down with that.
I will stand with you in your fight for economic justice from the very real crimes of those two groups.
EMD said...
He has unfortunately, committed the ultimate sin here at Althouse. He's boring.
Well, at least that's new.
I mean, historically, that's white people, too.
I like how I'm under everybody's skin - why doesn't the black guy spend his time like we do? Working on something frivolous? It seems to frustrate you guys.
What do you think MLK spent his life doing? Trying to get good in a cover band?
Why do you think whites killed him? Because he was so accommodating?
And whites were so nice.
You guys are no different than the whites we see screaming here. Why you think you are, I have no idea. Your views are the same. Stopping blacks from justice is still the name of the game. Heckling us is still the name of the game. Lying, deception, changing history - physical attacks - it's all the same.
Since Trayvon Martin was killed, two brothers recently got murdered by a white man on the new property they just bought. The white man said he thought they we coming to steal from him. Jonathan Ferrell ran to police for help after a car accident and died in a hail of bullets. Renisha McBride went in search of help after a car accident and got a shotgun blast to the face. Jordan Davis was listening to his music too loud.
Call it wasting my time if you like, but if one of you is less likely to shoot me or mine, I'll consider it time well wasted,...
"hey, welcome to America, asshole, you must be new,..."
The question now becomes, what won't you do for 50 bucks.
Call it wasting my time if you like, but if one of you is less likely to shoot me or mine, I'll consider it time well wasted,...
Why? Are going to pull a gun on somebody here?
Rusty,
Why? Are going to pull a gun on somebody here?
No, from what I can tell, you guys are the ones with the shaky trigger fingers. Modern day lynching, maybe. That's part of the history, too.
Or do you have a list of whites killed by blacks while asking for assistance, etc.?
I'll wait.
Trayvon Martin was killed?
More like suicide by assault on a white Hispanic.
Crack, now you are just being stupid and hateful.
The future is here, we're not that picture anymore.
So, how much per head do you think is appropriate for reparations? I want to get down to brass tacs.
Plus, if you get a good settlement, it might serve as a baseline for what I might get from the British Gov't for stealing my ancestors land and shipping them here.
No, from what I can tell, you guys are the ones with the shaky trigger fingers.
Someone here threatened to shoot you?
SGT Ted said...
Crack, now you are just being stupid and hateful.
The future is here, we're not that picture anymore.
Really? You want to look at this thread and tell me the whites appreciate anything about what I'm saying? Even a little? We know it's not absurd because - as a white person pointed out - it's already being discussed in several places at once as we speak. But, instead, this Althouse crew resorts to heckling. Well, I've got news for them:
The difference between black culture and yours is obviously caring about someone else in this damned country, whether it be blacks crawling out of poverty or whites still with no discernible souls to speak of.
Laugh it up - only only cheapen yourselves. Freedom don't stop.
So, how much per head do you think is appropriate for reparations? I want to get down to brass tacs.
It's a silly question. You don't even acknowledge there's a crime. You're worthless for debating the topic.
Plus, if you get a good settlement, it might serve as a baseline for what I might get from the British Gov't for stealing my ancestors land and shipping them here.
You better hurry - Britain's a month away from from it's first challenge
Shit, Crack, at least I'm getting blow jobs.
I doubt you're even getting that out of all this BS.
Trayvon punched the wrong dude is all. If he had been shot in the hood by a black guy with a gun in an escalation of a fight...*crickets*.
I've read about murders where the victim brought fists to a gun fight. It happens a lot.
I'm not sure what Zimmerman has to do with whites being complicit with racist lynchings, since he isn't white.
From what I have read, he was a mixed race nutbar. Which is why I distrust the racialist accounts of this homicide.
Were I ever in a tussle with a guy on top of me starting to pound my head into the pavement, and I had a gun, I'd probably use it. That's a deadly force situation.
Crack's work is activism!
The traditional collapse positive for musicians who failed to hit the big time.
Every failed next Dylan in Woodstock is an activist. Every one of them rants endlessly that they have the solution to everything.
And, they're all dead broke and can't even find somebody to blow them.
Same old shit.
"What do you think MLK spent his life doing? "
I seem to recall that he wanted people to be judged by the content of their character. I would say that the proportion of black males in prison indicates that some character contents have been judged. Careful what you wish for.
Look, Crackster, you got Detroit, Atlanta and South Chicago. No mean old cranky white people shooting you and yours in those Ebony Heavens. What else do you want? NYC? It's yours. Chase the Clintons out of Harlem and you are welcome to it. Need an EBT card? Whatever you want, just let us know. We live to serve.
My desperate Filipina girlfriend owns expensive properties in the Phils and the U.S.
And she has a great job. When she retires, we'll be globe trotting and living high off the hog from pensions, social security and savings.
Crack's fixing the whole world, and he's miserable and broke.
Who's desperate here?
So, yeah the Big Time thing didn't happen for me in the music biz. Some close calls, but it didn't happen.
My response. Learn a job skill, make a good living, enjoy raising children and marriage, buy a home.
And, I've still found a way to enjoy playing music, get out in front of audiences, pal around with my friends, record, etc.
Your way is so much better, huh, Crack? Bitching and cursing at the world is so fulfilling, huh?
Hm, there's crimes and there's crimes.
I don't deny what happened and I have always been open to some sort of reparation.
I am honestly trying to understand you. You state that you require access to the Treasury for these crimes. I ask: How much?
And, if you cannot respect for my point of view, or even be bothered to articulate your own, why should yours be considered?
“There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”
― Booker T. Washington
You haven't even been clever, Crack.
The quota system has been begging for you to jump in the pool. You could have been delivering this annoying lecture to white people in a corporate or academic setting as the Diversity Officer.
Making $100,000 to $150,000 a year.
What a fool you've been.
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