Who is sowing this confusion? If the Trump administration is aligned with what other countries are doing, why are "officials" resigning and performing outrage?
The World Health Organization... coronavirus vaccines are a high priority for pregnant and immunocompromised people and the elderly, while revaccination is “not routinely recommended” for healthy adults or minors. Mexico’s vaccination policy largely echoes the WHO recommendations.... Canada’s Health Department recommends coronavirus vaccines to groups including people older than 65, health care workers, pregnant people, and those belonging to Indigenous communities. The picture looks largely similar in Europe....
Now, obviously, in the United States, there's the issue of who pays. To the extent that "confusion" is about whether insurance will pay for those who want the vaccine but are not in any of the groups for whom it's recommended, that's justified confusion. The article quotes a spokesperson for a trade association for American insurance companies, who is noncommittal, blabbing about going through a "process" that "will be evidence-based, evaluate multiple sources of data... informed by customer needs."
So why are "officials" resigning and performing outrage? Is it not some mixture of 1. hating Trump and 2. wanting to force insurance companies to pay?
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Perhaps the outrage performers will no longer receive kickbacks of some sort. Why was the US an outlier to begin with?
Perhaps the quitters were so invested in the narrative of "safe, efficacious, and good for all" that their brains simply cannot accept a different view of reality.
The officials are resigning for the same reason all of our best and brightest are leaving.
"The officials are resigning for the same reason all of our best and brightest are leaving."
I don't think, in this case, it's a money angle. It's a power grab. Trump is systematically removing anyone who might be expected to say no to him, and he's long demonstrated open hatred towards anyone who contradicts him. He's still nursing a grudge from his first term against the NIH and CDC. That's what this is about.
Trump's trying to destroy the CDC for the same reason he wants to destroy the Fed: people listen to them on policy, and he can't bear that.
Preference for being performative in front of an adoring audience and cameras while exiting after resigning "on my principles" as opposed to being unceremoniously fired on the executive's principles and then escorted out by Security with a smallbox of personal items without an audience or cameras. Seems like an easy choice.
Jeff Bezos owns WP, was on stage at the Trump 47 inauguration, and put his foot down in 2025. All the hysterical WP staff either left or learned to keep their recklessness in check.
In 2020, Trump took a strong anti-COVID stance and was portrayed as the devil by Nancy Pelosi, Bill de Blasio, NYT, WP, CNN, MSNBC, and many others. But, Trump's strategy resembled Sweden's (moderate) strategy. Once his critics figured out that he was correct, they overcorrected and kept riding TDS into deep cognitive dissonance. This so-called outrage and confusion is smoke-and-mirrors, and the hope that people have forgotten.
Is it not some mixture of 1. hating Trump and 2. wanting to force insurance companies to pay?
Mostly number 1. They are the people who are so broken by Trump derangement they've ceased to function in any manner appearing constructive. You should probably step down if that’s going to happen every time your team loses an election. Do what your forefathers who felt like you did and buy a coffee and poetry cafe…
I suspect most of those resigning will wind up on the payroll of Pfizer.
“Trump is systematically removing anyone who might be expected to say no to him”
He’s the President, elected by us. It’s his right to do! If he didn’t remove people who are not aligned and following his agenda, he’d fail at doing what he promised he’d do.
Trump's trying to destroy the CDC for the same reason he wants to destroy the Fed: people listen to them on policy, and he can't bear that.
If these institutions are going to push policies that are scientifically wrong due solely to the members’ politics, do they not deserve destruction?
If these institutions are going to push policies that are scientifically wrong due solely to the members’ politics, do they not deserve destruction?
Worth repeating in bold…and the people complaining the loudest are the same people who berate the administration as ‘authoritarian’ but what agencies have been the most authoritarian in recent history than the lockdown mandatory jab agencies?
I still question the mRNA vaccine effectiveness. Everyone who I know who were vaccinated, including myself, got covid. The vaccine did not prevent getting it or transmitting it. Our symptoms and disease severity were similar to those of unvaccinated people I know. The FDA must have similar data on a larger scale. Some viruses just don’t respond well to vaccines, in my opinion covid virus is one of them.
I follow the San Francisco newspaper, the Chronicle, which is progressive as fuck, and they hype the need for the vaccine for everyone. I don’t understand liberal’s blind faith of ALL vaccines. When I worked at a very progressive Bay Area biotech company my colleagues would get apoplectic when I told them I thought the covid vaccines were garbage because they didn’t work for the people I know, including said progressive colleagues.
I should mention that my biotech colleagues were mostly PhD scientists in molecular biology from top universities who supposedly trained in critical and skeptical thinking, yet they were dogmatic about the covid vaccines. Politics does something strange to our brains and clouds our reasoning.
You can't destroy something that was already rotted on the inside.
"Forcing insurance companies to pay" is "forcing Americans to pay". The insurance companies are happy to do so as long as they get to charge higher premiums and/or receive government subsidies.
The concept of "prepaid medical care" as "insurance" is at the root of the high cost of medical care in the US. But I suppose that train has sailed.
He's still nursing a grudge from his first term against the NIH and CDC. That's what this is about.
Well, so am I. It's all good.
I don’t understand liberal’s blind faith of ALL vaccines
I do. It’s a belief EVERY vaccine has the same impact as smallpox vaccine- when everyone is inoculated the thing is eradicated. It doesn’t work that way but the belief in ‘100 percent participation’ persists. It also let’s them scratch their sadistic authoritarian itch with a stiff virtuous brush…
Rehajm - This is true. As soon as the covid vaccines were released, our CEO had a company-wide meeting where he stated that as soon as everyone was vaccinated the pandemic would end. He then demanded that everyone in the company be vaccinated or be fired unless they had a valid, medically warranted reason, for not being vaccinated. During the Q&A of the meeting one brave soul asked if they could avoid the vaccination because it was still experimental in their opinion. The CEO lashed out in rage saying that the FDA approved the vaccine therefore it wasn’t experimental.
The CDC has one job.
It has failed to do this job every chance it gets. Nobody was more wrong during COVID than the CDC.
The CDC found a cure for the Flu, the Common Cold, lung cancer, influenza and pneumonia in 2020 and promptly lost it in 2021.
If everyone at the CDC was fired the country would be better off.
They should all be thrown in jail for losing the cure for Pneumonia.
Further evidence for my growing suspicion that the Democrat Party is composed increasingly of the toxically fearful and those responsible from spreading the fear and profiting from it.
See Dr. John Campbell's numerous videos on COVID and unintended medical consequences. IMO, the mRNA vaxes (or, wishful therapies pushed by major political donors to the Democratic Party and mislabeled as "essential vaxes") had no net positive value but caused a bunch of side effects and unnecessary deaths in people below the age of 50.
https://www.youtube.com/@Campbellteaching/videos
The guy who cos-played a resigning angry insider CDC protestor is actually the Biden Administration's Monkeypox adviser.
He advised gay people looking for information about Monkeypox to fuck each other in the butt more often, usually in group settings.
This is no different from Fauci telling people it was OK to attend massive protests during the height of the Chinese bio-technology attack on Americans that has killed 1.3 million Americans so far.
This is no different from Nancy Pelosi telling everyone to go visit Chinatown and eat in the restaurants during the height of the COVID19 attack on America by China.
This is no different than Joe Biden lying by telling people they couldn't catch COVID19 if they got an untested fake vaccine.
These people are PURE. EVIL. And the sooner we root them out of our country, the better.
A pleasant 4 hour conversation with an old friend lead to him questioning RFK Jr’s vaccination opinions. I had lost track of the recommended regimen for children, since I hadn’t been involved with that for a long time. I pulled up the CDC site and read it aloud. Newborns on day 1 get a hepatitis B vaccine! (Check the RFK Jr news soon about this). By 1 year they get about 17 more vaccinations, and by 5 years, 30 or so. There is variability and leeway, so not exact numbers. All of us were shocked.
Re COVID 19, my informed belief is no children should get vaccinated, and NO pregnant women should get vaccinated.
See who hires them now that they're "resigning" en masse.
How much does each one of these shots cost?
Here on Althouse—cancer research is what astrologers do for people born in late June and July. But they do know this: President Trump's landslide 49% of the vote gives him a clear mandate to defund America's scientists.
"Re COVID 19, my informed belief is no children should get vaccinated, and NO pregnant women should get vaccinated."
No, no one should get vaccinated.
Americans don’t need to go shooting things into their arms to be healthy ~ RFK Jr.
kak is wack. One can’t say it enough.
"He’s the President, elected by us. It’s his right to do! If he didn’t remove people who are not aligned and following his agenda, he’d fail at doing what he promised he’d do."
I agree. That's democracy. Against that is the argument that a president — if he's not a Democrat — ought to be surrounded by opponents who will serve as "guard rails" keeping him on a road other than the road he said he would take.
He's still nursing a grudge from his first term against the NIH and CDC.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but if you're not holding a grudge you're a fucking idiot.
You can be opposed to the American system and say the winner of the Electoral College should not have the power of the presidency. Please forthrightly admit it if that is your position and say what if anything you'd like to do about that. I see some Democrats, dismayed at the wreck their party has become, are announcing that they will do anything, break any rule, until they get back the power they did not win in the last election. If that's your idea, state it clearly so it looks as disgusting as it is.
"our best and brightest". Based upon what asinine metric ? I eagerly await any evidence even remotely supporting your ludicrous assertion.
The reason that liberals are all in on vaccines is because they are simple minded solutions to diseases. Modern liberals need simple slogans and solutions because they are incapable of critical thinking.
Kak always makes me miss Inga.
It's an inoculation, or jab, until certain properties are demonstrated, including: sterilizing effectiveness, and safety where, at minimum, the benefit outweighs the risk to vulnerable cohorts. Jabbing the general population demonstrates a low confidence or an ulterior motive.
The blowup and chaos at the CDC has a lot more moving parts than what most of the echo chambers want to concede. It seems to me the “confusion” isn’t just about Trump or about who hates him. Three things are happening at once:
1) Unlike other countries, we don’t have universal coverage. In Canada or Europe, once the health ministry makes a recommendation, everyone knows who qualifies and how it’s paid for. In the U.S., we add the question of who pays, which naturally creates uncertainty that doesn’t exist elsewhere.
2) We’re allowing messaging to take a Sharpie to science– You can have a recommendation that looks similar on paper to the WHO or Canada, but if the President or his spokespeople say something different in public than what the FDA/CDC staff are writing, people don’t know who to believe. That’s not unique to Trump—any president contradicting his own health agencies would cause trouble—but it makes officials feel boxed in.
3) There’s no indication professionals are leaving over TDS. For career scientists, staying in a job where your guidance keeps getting overridden for political or financial reasons puts their credibility is on the line. Some resign to make a statement, sure, but others resign simply because they can’t do their work effectively.
So it’s less about “hating Trump” and more about the collision between science, politics, and America’s patchwork insurance system. That’s a recipe for more confusion here than in other countries, even when the recommendations sound the same.
Did you see the satan worshipping democrat who worked at the CDC under Crook Joe(Soros) - who green-lighted homosexual men have as much unprotected sex as they want - and to just ignore the monkey pox?
By removing the vaccine from the childrens' recommended list (never should have been there in any case), product liability is back in the picture. I would love to see some class action lawsuits digging into these m-RNA vaccines.
I was able to look at the facts on the corona virus deaths in Milwaukee County becuase they were posted online together with data on the physical condition of thise who died. More people died of Covid over age 65 BUT more people over 65 had underlying conditions - heart disease, metabolic disease and/or pulmonary disease. Deaths were so concentrated among those with one or more underlying conditions that I would argue that it is more dangerous for a healthy adult over 65 to get vaccinated due to the chance of side effects than to remain unvaccinated.
The failure of the CDC to discover the concentration of Covid deaths in certain population subsets (underlying conditions as above and also young people with cirrhosis, children with leukemia, transplants, advanced cancer patients) really calls into question CDC expertise. Statistic deaths are supposed to find these subsets.
I had three covid vax shots. The first was followed a couple months later by a mild case of covid. The second and third were both followed by, exactly 13 days later, severe cardiac consequences. Now my cardiologist and primary forbid me to get another covid vax, despite being 70.
When did "entrenched and entitled" become "best and brightest"?
"...why are "officials" resigning and performing outrage?" Because 1) Orange Man Bad, 2) the gravy train/revolving door may be ending and 3) they have nearly terminal cognitive dissonance.
Number 1 being the One Ring To Rule Them All.
"Now my cardiologist and primary forbid me to get another covid vax, despite being 70."
You represent, to your broke government, a huge monetary liability. You are no longer their cash cow, and they're having to pay out to you monthly and provide you with very, very expensive health care. You are a financial black hole to your government. Sucking down money that could be going to salary raises, bonuses, and new perks for government workers.
Maybe don't take medical advice from a government that would like you to go ahead and die so they can pocket your Social Security check.
RJW way too many fact for this group up in here. Hard to graft a new idea on a closed mind" A world of alternative facts.
Thanks, Dinky. I’m not trying to graft anything — just pointing out that our system injects confusion in ways other countries don’t have to deal with. That doesn’t fit neatly into the “for or against Trump” box, but reality rarely does.
List the facts recited by Ronald, Dinky. What I read was nothing but his opinions.
Which, by the way, is the major problem with almost every lefty posting here- they assert opinions as facts in almost every comment. And when asked to support their opinions with facts just end up citing someone else's opinion.
All these resignations are good. If you can’t carry out the president’s orders then leave.
And quit lying in your mortgage applications
“Who is sowing this confusion?” “Is it not some mixture of 1. hating Trump and 2. wanting to force insurance companies to pay?” It’s far deeper than the former and has little to do with the latter. They and others are committed whether seditiously or ignorantly to destabilizing the country. Trump is the excuse. Who puts a potato in the White House to sanction an open border invasion of the nation but sedititionists or ignoramuses?
Yancey Ward said...
Which, by the way, is the major problem with almost every lefty posting here- they assert opinions as facts in almost every comment. And when asked to support their opinions with facts just end up citing someone else's opinion.
8/30/25, 11:09 AM
Ironically, that reads as an opinion.
Ronald=Chuck.
Hence the misdirecting gibberish. And the promotion of "universal coverage" as the great panacea.
Because "once the health ministry makes a recommendation, everyone knows who qualifies and what gets paid for."
And if the health ministry doesn't make a recommendation, or makes an incorrect recommendation (see Covid/vaccine policy, above), or doesn't have enough doctors, or you die waiting for the procedure, you are shit out of luck.
I don't know. I was 77 when Covid hit--certainly in the age group where Covid vaccines, flu vaccines and pneumonia vaccines are at least potentially useful. I dutifully took my Moderna shot--and a second follow up one. I still got a pretty severe case of Covid. Fortunately I managed to miss the severe side effects some folks had from the vaccines. And my own view is that I won't take any more follow-up Covid "vaccines" since they don't seem to prevent the illness--and carry real risks.
BUMBLE BEE said...
"See who hires them now that they're "resigning" en masse."
The employer pool may be affected by the grant cutoffs...
Boatbuilder, this feels more like quibbling over nuance than a substantive point. Let me guess: if I don’t play the “did not/did too” game, I’m dishonest; if I do, I’m a liar. Sound about right?
The only people who are confused about what to do with the covid vaccine are those who were mandating it for everyone, including 2 year olds, over the past 5 years.
Everyone else has, or is figuring this thing out and can make their own decisions about whether to put any more of this experiment into their bodies. Pfizer and Moderna thank you ahead of time.
HHS needs to be cleaned up from the top down. No loss with the True Believers who left the CDC this last week, or the out and proud, leather wearing, satanist who had been in charge of vaccinations. Yes, a satanist in charge of vaccine policy. What could possible go wrong there? Except maybe a regime of 70 or so vaccines for kids, some of which were barely tested, many of which had side effects, some quite severe.
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